Today I stuck a RP sticker on a Gas Pump - Stuck slim jims in the Chip Asile

[V4Vendetta]

I went to fill up my gas tank, and I decided to put a Ron Paul sticker on the gas pump, and threw a Slim Jim on the concrete in front of the pump. then, while walking to the cashier to pay, dropped a couple more on the ground.

Then once in line, I stuck Slim Jims in the shelve with the chips!

:)

[DJ RP]

I have a picture of you doing this with naughty glee in your eyes. I am laughing.

[TechnoGuyRob]

I do this all the time. :) It's awesome, you just pretend to be a regular guy, but are secretly putting Ron Paul propaganda everywhere. :D Everytime I check into the CTA ticket in Chicago, I leave a few liberty cards behind.

[EvilEngineer]

I still love the Ron Paul fake $20 bills that look totally real when they are folded. The look on peoples faces when they see them is totally killer.

[BW4Paul]

While I certainly appreciate your enthusiasm, please do try to keep the property rights of the gas station owner in mind. How would you like it if someone stuck an unwanted bumpersticker on your car, or dropped leaflets along your sidewalk?

Try leaving little piles of RP flyers in restaurants and cafes that have corners and billboards designated for just that sort of thing. In the meantime, wear a T-shirt, decorate your car, and have RP flyers available for everyone who asks. :)

[OptionsTrader]

I still love the Ron Paul fake $20 bills that look totally real when they are folded. The look on peoples faces when they see them is totally killer.

That is funny, do you have a link to a picture of one?

[OptionsTrader]

While I certainly appreciate your enthusiasm, please do try to keep the property rights of the gas station owner in mind. How would you like it if someone stuck an unwanted bumpersticker on your car, or dropped leaflets along your sidewalk.

Try leaving little piles RP flyers in restaurants and cafes that have corners and billboards designated for just that sort of thing. In the meantime, wear a T-shirt, decorate your car, and have RP flyers available for everyone who asks. :)

Rebels have done far worse in this county's history.

A wise 72 year old congressmen once said, "we must not forget that the true patriot is the one who protests in spite of the consequences, condemnation or ostracism, or even imprisonment that may result."

[McDermit]

That is funny, do you have a link to a picture of one?

I've been trying to get the image from Ernie forrrreeeeevvvveeeeeerrrrrr. I've emailed him umpteen times to no avail.

If anyone has the pdf, please share! :D

[brumans]

Good stuff :)

I have some extra slim jims and liberty cards. Where are the best places to place them?

[RonPaulGetsIt]

I bought 2000 liberty cards and have gone through about half so far. I've Ron Pauled many a restaurant bathroom.

[thehittgirl]

I'm getting a high off this stuff. I've been going out Pauling towns almost every night since Sunday. All but 2 signs we hung are still up :D

[BW4Paul]

Rebels have done far worse in this county's history.

A wise 72 year old congressmen once said, "we must not forget that the true patriot is the one who protests in spite of the consequences, condemnation or ostracism, or even imprisonment that may result."

A far better idea would be to simply walk up to the gas station attendant, tell him/her about Paul, and ask nicely if you could leave a stack of flyers next to the cash register. If they said yes, you could forthrightly leave a nice little pile which would be guarded by the cashier and which you could replenish each week.

Protest against the state. Leave privavte property owners out of it.

Someone is going to have to peel that bumpersticker off the gas tannk, you know. Someone will have to wander through the parking lot picking up those flyers. Someone is going to be cleaning off his shelves and be pissed when he finds your flyers "carelessly" left in the chip aisle. Do you think that person is going to want to vote for Paul? Have you forgotten the concepts behind blowback?


You get more flies with honey. And for the record, I am certain that Paul would *not* use the tactics that you used. :o

[OptionsTrader]

This movement takes all kinds.

If you don't want to endorse questionable tactics, then do not partake in them.

But if someone wants to plaster gas pumps with ron paul stickers to do their part, I say go ahead and take whatever consequence comes.

I like the rebellious spirit myself.

[BW4Paul]

This movement takes all kinds.

If you don't want to endorse questionable tactics, then do not partake in them.
A questionable philosophy for daily life (What about citizens' rights to their property? Or does your desire to use "questionable tactics" by scrawling your message on someone's property trump their right to maintain it as they please?), and a terrible philosophy for this campaign.

In case you haven't heard, Paul supporters are being characterized as a bunch of unruly hooligans who live in their parents' basements, have no social skills, are totally devoid of political experience and cannot be taken seriously. By acting in this way, you are simply playing right into that stereotype and adding more fuel to the "Paul is a nut" fire.

Be respectful. Wear clean pants with your Ron Paul T-shirt. Be upfront with people about what you're up to and why. These things will help you to be taken more seriously... which will help Dr. Paul to be taken more seriously.

[OptionsTrader]

I am just saying there is a spectrum of what people are going to do, and you aren't going to stop it by posting here.

If the Sons Of Liberty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Liberty)announced they were going to illegally raid 90,000 lbs of tea tomorrow, I am sure some here would object.

I'd say go ahead and do what you need to do and take the consequences as they come.

[V4Vendetta]

I am just syaing there is a spectrum of what people are going to do, and you aren't going to stop it by posting here.

If the Sons Of Liberty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_Liberty)announced they were going to illegally raid 90,000 lbs of tea tomorrow, I am sure some here would object.

I'd say go ahead and do what you want to do and take the consequences as they come.

THANKYOU

SOMEONE HERE HAS SOME SENSE

[BW4Paul]

I am just syaing there is a spectrum of what people are going to do, and you aren't going to stop it by posting here.
Can I stop them by going to their houses, tying them down, and ordering them not to do this anymore? No.

Can I stop them by reasonably arguing that what they are doing is morally wrong from a libertarian perspective (violation of property rights) *and* that it is bad for the Paul campaign? Maybe.

And I'd remind you that the Boston Tea Party was predicated upon the notion that the Boston Tea Company, in conjunction with the King of England, was oppressing the colonists. Thus, the argument goes that the colonists were defending themselves against tyranny. Are you prepared to argue that this gas station owner is perpetuating tyranny over our flyer-spreading, bumpersticker-sticking friend?

[BW4Paul]

THANKYOU

SOMEONE HERE HAS SOME SENSE

Again, I'd remind you that the Boston Tea Party was predicated upon the notion that the Boston Tea Company, in conjunction with the King of England, was oppressing the colonists. Thus, the argument goes that the colonists were defending themselves against tyranny. Are you prepared to argue that this gas station owner is perpetuating tyranny over you?

[LibertyEagle]

Rebels have done far worse in this county's history.

A wise 72 year old congressmen once said, "we must not forget that the true patriot is the one who protests in spite of the consequences, condemnation or ostracism, or even imprisonment that may result."

Certainly, but we don't want to tick more people off than we are attracting either. Blowback, you know. :)

[DrNoZone]

I agree with those opposed to this type of "help"; respect property rights! What would Paul do?

[DJ RP]

It's not about trying to stop everyone in the world from doing things that might have blowback the person doing this is right on the thread. He might not have thought about it in this way and might agree that the better way is to talk to the guy who owns the station and give him some cards to hand out. I think we can all agree that that is MORE likely to get a convert than if he finds cards scattered on his property, right? And like somebody else said he'll then guard the cards and feel some personal responsiblity to see they are handed out to customers.

This isn't a moral argument so much as a common sense one!

[Brock Landers]

I hear ALL of y'all.

BW has a point b/c this is the very reason we are not taken seriously, and assists in the marginalization of this movement by the media.

And I understand Op and V4 (and I'm inferring some of this), in that 'they' (the PTB) have done a lot worse than sticking stickers on gas tanks, and it's a form of nonviolent demonstrating that I'm sure is quite cathardic.

In fact, I'm tempted to run over to the nearest gas station and do the same.

Let's appreciate that we will need Ron Paulers of all walks of life and methods, and we should just employ our own to our best abilities.

Word.

[OptionsTrader]

If a group posted that they were going to do this tomorrow, I am sure many would find it unacceptable:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9805E4D61E39E033A2575AC1A9679D94 639ED7CF
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9805E4D61E39E033A2575AC1A9679D94639ED7CF&oref=slogin

But, I bet they'd do it anyway.

[BW4Paul]

Let's appreciate that we will need Ron Paulers of all walks of life and methods, and we should just employ our own to our best abilities.

All walks of life? Certainly.

All methods? Certainly not.

What good is trying to spread a libertarian message if you simultaneously subvert that message by doing something that is inherently immoral in the libertarian philosophy? Doesn't that make you a hypocrite?

Or do you think that it's acceptable to subvert one person's property rights "for the greater good?" Doesn't that make you a socialist?

[Cindy]

Good stuff :)

I have some extra slim jims and liberty cards. Where are the best places to place them?

Leave stacks in coffee and sandwhich shops near the news pappers.

The ninja slip is fun!

[BW4Paul]

THANKYOU

SOMEONE HERE HAS SOME SENSE

Here's the explicit statement on placement of campaign materials straight from ROn Paul's campaign site:

Note: Campaign materials should never be placed on private property without the permission of the property owner and, because certain state and local laws limit the placement of campaign materials on public property, please research local restrictions before placing campaign materials on public property or rights-of-way.
http://www.ronpaul2008store.com/servlet/Page?template=policy

I really don't think the campaign could be any clearer. :o

[OptionsTrader]

Here's the explicit statement on placement of campaign materials straight from ROn Paul's campaign site:

Note: Campaign materials should never be placed on private property without the permission of the property owner and, because certain state and local laws limit the placement of campaign materials on public property, please research local restrictions before placing campaign materials on public property or rights-of-way.
http://www.ronpaul2008store.com/servlet/Page?template=policy

I really don't think the campaign could be any clearer. :o


And that request is violated every time you hang a ron paul sign on a fence or on a post on the side of the road.

And no one is claiming this activity is legal.

But, it will continue. And you aren't going to stop it.

[Mastiff]

I agree that we shouldn't litter or vandalize. In the end it makes RP look worse. Having said that, I walk the line a little and stick the occasional slim jim on waiting room tables and the like. Last time I flew, I put tri-folds in the in-flight magazines. I just try to think of the person finding the material, will it be considered littering or vandalism by them?

[ctb619]

I agree that we shouldn't litter or vandalize. In the end it makes RP look worse. Having said that, I walk the line a little and stick the occasional slim jim on waiting room tables and the like. Last time I flew, I put tri-folds in the in-flight magazines. I just try to think of the person finding the material, will it be considered littering or vandalism by them?

I like this approach. I think flyers placed here and there isn't a big deal, but stickers cross the line because they're a pain to remove.

[V4Vendetta]

Here's the explicit statement on placement of campaign materials straight from ROn Paul's campaign site:

Note: Campaign materials should never be placed on private property without the permission of the property owner and, because certain state and local laws limit the placement of campaign materials on public property, please research local restrictions before placing campaign materials on public property or rights-of-way.
http://www.ronpaul2008store.com/servlet/Page?template=policy

I really don't think the campaign could be any clearer. :o

Wow, I am still amazed at the sheep like mentality of SOME of the Ron Paul supporters.

STICKERS AND SLIM JIMS, DO NOT DAMAGE PROPERTY.

THE campaign HAS TO PUT THAT STATEMENT OUT for liability purposes.

I wonder what Washinton, Jefferson, Henry, Madison would be doing right now....

OH YEAH....

BLOWING SHIT UP

OUR GENERATION IS NOTHING LIKE THE FOUNDERS GENERATION, AND THE POSTS MADE HERE BY A FEW, AMPLIFY THAT!!!!

[OptionsTrader]

Agree or disagree with V, and let your own compass guide your own activities.

But, one thing's for sure, he's fired up and I love it :D

[BW4Paul]

Wow, I am still amazed at the sheep like mentality of SOME of the Ron Paul supporters.
Wow, so because I'm concerned about the property rights of others, AND because I'm concerned about a poor reflection upon Dr. Paul, I'm somehow a sheep?

Nice one.

Ask yourself this: are you truly doing these things on Dr. Paul's behalf (keeping in mind that his campaign frowns upon your tactics), or because you seek your own, shallow catharsis? Because if it's the latter, perhaps you should "catharsize" yourself on your own time and leave the Good Doctor out of your own selfish needs.

[ksuguy]

I wouldn't put stickers on the gas pump, however the station I go to has some little plastic slots on the top of the pumps. I think they are supposed to be there for advertising or something, but there is never anything there. I like to leave a liberty card or slim jim in those.

[BW4Paul]

I wouldn't put stickers on the gas pump, however the station I go to has some little plastic slots on the top of the pumps. I think they are supposed to be there for advertising or something, but there is never anything there. I like to leave a liberty card or slim jim in those.
Now see that sounds perfectly fine to me, given that the slot appears to be there for advertising purposes. But "littering" flyers along the ground and in random store shelves is just not cool.

[Question_Authority]

I'd say go ahead and do what you need to do and take the consequences as they come.

But it will not be the perpetrator "taking the consequences"! It will be Ron Paul! Ron Paul would never condone defacing private property or littering on someone's property! Jesus. Have the proper respect!

[Question_Authority]

I agree that we shouldn't litter or vandalize. In the end it makes RP look worse. Having said that, I walk the line a little and stick the occasional slim jim on waiting room tables and the like. Last time I flew, I put tri-folds in the in-flight magazines. I just try to think of the person finding the material, will it be considered littering or vandalism by them?

This is not a problem at all! People leave random pieces of paper in waiting rooms and in airplanes all the time I am sure. Nothing wrong with accidentally leaving political lit there!

But the PROBLEM is littering on private property (dropping it on the ground!?!) and sticking stickers. Really stupid IMO.

I am pretty sure I would not be impressed by a slim jim lying on the ground. Nor would most people pick them up. Just plain stupid.