Mexican Flag Flown Above American

[rg123]

The video says it all

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQ6cCPbA8jo

[constituent]

i grew up in texas.

we have "six flags over texas"

where i live used to be mexico.

where i live, mexican americans were
forcibly removed from their homes,
their families uprooted, and were
forced to emigrate from their natural
born homes in the Estados Unidos.

So I'm used to it. Personally, I don't
see it as that big of a deal.

But that's because I don't feel that
U. States have a rightful claim of
sovereignty over anyone anymore,
let alone my country, Texas.

Texas, One and Indivisible!

[ctb619]

What's worse, the guy flying the Mexican flag, or the guy who stole private property?

[DahuiHeeNalu]

THIS MAN IS A TRUE PATRIOT....If they flew the American Flag at the top and the mexican below it would have been okay!

[Bradley in DC]

Flag ettiquette would have flags of sovereign nations flown at the same height.

[noxagol]

Good for him, I hate this kind of shit. They, the illegals, do not respect our country at all. Had they been flown at the same height, as brad points out, it would have been ok. They fly them that way because they have nothing but disrespect for our country.

[LibertyOfOne]

THIS MAN IS A TRUE PATRIOT....If they flew the American Flag at the top and the mexican below it would have been okay!

Yeah because private property rights mean nothing.

[LibertyOfOne]

Good for him, I hate this kind of shit. They, the illegals, do not respect our country at all. Had they been flown at the same height, as brad points out, it would have been ok. They fly them that way because they have nothing but disrespect for our country.

Who cares it's just nation worship. Private property is more important. In fact it is what all are liberties are based on, not some stupid flag.

[nullvalu]

Who cares it's just nation worship. Private property is more important. In fact it is what all are liberties are based on, not some stupid flag.

He's also just an individual doing his own thing, it's not like the federal government came in and told the mexican guy to take down his flag. The man in the video seemed willing to face any consequences for his actions.

[LibertyOfOne]

He's also just an individual doing his own thing, it's not like the federal government came in and told the mexican guy to take down his flag. The man in the video seemed willing to face any consequences for his actions.

By that logic it should be fine if someone steals your car. They should only get in trouble if you catch them. Only a socialist would have such blatant disregard for another person's justly acquired property.

[yaz]

It's illegal to fly any flag above the US flag in the US except for the Texas flag which can be flown at the same height because Texas was once a nation.

[LibertyOfOne]

It's illegal to fly any flag above the US flag in the US except for the Texas flag which can be flown at the same height because Texas was once a nation.

It's not illegal. The newscasters have no clue what the hell they are talking about. It's a government regualtion to not fly any flag higher than the U.S flag. Meaning that the government can't do it. If it was against the law for a citizen to do it than it would be shot down by the U.S supreme court for 1st amendment violation.

[Buzz]

They had that coming. Flying the Mexican flag is one thing, but flying it above the American flag in America is an unwelcome political statement. If you're a Mexican first and an American second, you shouldn't be here.

[ctb619]

unwelcome political statements don't warrant the violation of natural rights (i.e. having personal property stolen)

[nullvalu]

By that logic it should be fine if someone steals your car. They should only get in trouble if you catch them. Only a socialist would have such blatant disregard for another person's justly acquired property.

I did not condone the man's actions.. I however have no reason to believe this former vet was a socialist, he was just pissed off..

This man was standing up for something he believed in.. It's the same thing with you people bitching about how putting up signs may violate some city ordinance..

If we don't get our acts together and take real, BOLD steps we won't recognize this country.

[nullvalu]

unwelcome political statements don't warrant the violation of natural rights (i.e. having personal property stolen)

That's fine, you can blast that vet all you want, as I said before he seemed perfectly willing to accept the consequences.. he was willing to fight for his flag and for his country again.......are you???

[ctb619]

That's fine, you can blast that vet all you want, as I said before he seemed perfectly willing to accept the consequences.. he was willing to fight for his flag and for his country again.......are you???

for a flag? hell no....but I will fight to protect individual liberty and natural rights (i.e. the principles this nation was founded on)

[LibertyOfOne]

I am not saying that you do condone the mans actions. That last comment was targeted at the man that did the deed. The philosophy of socialism at its core lends no respect for private property or recognition of it. Socialists have damaged property in form of political protest in the past.

" It's the same thing with you people bitching about how putting up signs may violate some city ordinance.."

No it's not. One is public property the other is private property. Two totally different things.

[nullvalu]

I guess we go back to the founding of this country..

There was some pretty horrible crap done before the Revolution..

Boston Tea Party
Tar & Feathering
British Soldiers lynched & killed..

We all realize it's time for another revolution in this country. Some are fighting in manners you may not approve. Surely, many did not appreciate the Tar & Feathering.. But without these bold actions, we may all still be living under British rule..

[ctb619]

Those were acts of war. Are we at war with people who want to fly a Mexican flag on their private property? I'm all for bold action, let's just make sure we target the right people.

[LibertyOfOne]

I don't see how it fits. One was actions targeted towards another government. The other actions targeted towards a property owner.

[Rich333]

That's fine, you can blast that vet all you want, as I said before he seemed perfectly willing to accept the consequences.. he was willing to fight for his flag and for his country again.......are you???
It's not his flag. It can also not be said that one is fighting for this country when the methods employed trash the very principles upon which it was founded.

[LibertyOfOne]

It can't be. Rich from the FCC? HeHe

[Rich333]

It can't be. Rich from the FCC? HeHe
Yeah, who are you in CN?

[LibertyOfOne]

I use to be in the FCC until I gave up on the game. :P FateOfNations

[constituent]

glad to have you around. no one ever catches my clash references!!!! a very welcome addition indeed!!!!!!

i dropped that one once and all i got was WTF are you talking about????

[nullvalu]

There's a band out there name "Ignite", if you're into hardcore/punk rock, this is for you.. plus their lyrics are quite relevant.. this is the lyrics to a "Know Your History" from their new album "Our Darkest Days".. it rocks..

You want to take a stand
You haven't made a plan
But your new crusades bring misery
Better know your history

You spot your war disease
Bring this nation to its knees
The largest debt we've ever seen
Better know your history

Under the burning sun
Another dead hero
This road we're walking on
To reap what we have sown
lockdown, lockdown, here we go again

Foreign aid with strings attached
Cut down the working class
The World Bank creeps
In sheep's clothing
Better know your history

The masses, so deaf and blind
We're back to the Roman times
The truth is now the enemy
Better know your history

Under the burning sun
Another dead hero
This road we're walking on
To reap what we have sown
lockdown, lockdown, here we go again

My family lived through both regimes
The rising tide of lies and mass deceit
They'll tell you what to think
And what to say Know your history

You send the poor to fight
Then praise the religious right
A sacrilegious blasphemy
Better know your history

An empire of greedy thieves
Bring the nation to its knees
The new world corruptocracy
Better know your history

History, history
For the past to repeat
Is your destiny
History, history
I know we're going to pay
To history

[American]

I would have done the same thing, then we can test freedom of expression. I will stand toe to toe with any one you ultra liberal libertarians. There has to be some level of common sense without the technical horse shit. You sound like the ACLU. ITs also against the law in Reno NV to fly the flag in this manner.

Another reason why the libertarian party will never make it past a fringe party. Anarchy will never sound good to the masses.

[pengieh]

I would have done the same thing, then we can test freedom of expression. I will stand toe to toe with any one you ultra liberal libertarians. There has to be some level of common sense without the technical horse shit. You sound like the ACLU. ITs also against the law in Reno NV to fly the flag in this manner.

Another reason why the libertarian party will never make it past a fringe party. Anarchy will never sound good to the masses.

Sorry, I disagree with your stance on this.

Now, can I take your car keys and car?

[fluoridatedbrainsoup]

A race war is coming, and a POLICE STATE on its heels.

[constituent]

A race war is coming, and a POLICE STATE on its heels.

amen.

[winston84]

I completely back up the vet for what he did, he knew what the consequences were and took action regardless. I hope that if legal action is taken against him, that the store owner will also face federal charges.

[LibertyOfOne]

I would have done the same thing, then we can test freedom of expression. I will stand toe to toe with any one you ultra liberal libertarians. There has to be some level of common sense without the technical horse shit. You sound like the ACLU. ITs also against the law in Reno NV to fly the flag in this manner.

Another reason why the libertarian party will never make it past a fringe party. Anarchy will never sound good to the masses.

Omg someone took a crap on the American flag let's all get offended and stuff. Flag worship with extreme nationalism is just collectivism.

[constituent]

i recommend we ban use of "the masses"

let's replace it with, "The peasantry" instead, because
that's what people really mean when they refer to
others as "the masses."

[RP08]

Very recently here in Albuquerque a Mexican flag was being flown ALONE on the UNM campus and a 30 year old student took the flag down and tore it in the process. He was charged with criminal damage to property. He then bought a brand new Mexican flag and offered it as a replacement for the damage, which was refused. He didn't intend to damage the flag but knew it was illegal to be flying unaccompanied by an American flag and was just trying to remedy the problem.

Not much detail, but the story is here:
http://kob.com/article/stories/s214359.shtml

[LibertyOfOne]

This is why when you burn a flag or tear one up make sure it's your own.

[Lord Xar]

Sorry, I disagree with your stance on this.

Now, can I take your car keys and car?


huh? I love when people make arguments that HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL ISSUE AT HAND.

I believe this is a federal offense, to have a flag about the United States flag, and to be honest --- at the way the illegal mexican community has been acting, you'd think they owned america. I am GLAD that dude cut that down! I personally DO NOT think the founding fathers would of alllowed that --

We are in a time of war, both abroad and on our very own soil with upwards of 30million illegal immigrants.. granted - they are FROM ALL OVER the world, the Majority is from Mexico -- a HUGE MAJORITY.. I personally believe this is a war right here. So to me, running that flag over america's was a case of 'sedition' and needed to be dealt with...

this is getting out of hand... we are fighting a war across the world, and we are being overrun and overburdened here at home..

KUDOS to that guy!

[nullvalu]

"But OMG what about him ruining that $5 flag! personal property rights!! extreme nationalism!!!" :rolleyes:

[LibertyOfOne]

huh? I love when people make arguments that HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL ISSUE AT HAND.

I believe this is a federal offense, to have a flag about the United States flag, and to be honest --- at the way the illegal mexican community has been acting, you'd think they owned america. I am GLAD that dude cut that down! I personally DO NOT think the founding fathers would of alllowed that --

We are in a time of war, both abroad and on our very own soil with upwards of 30million illegal immigrants.. granted - they are FROM ALL OVER the world, the Majority is from Mexico -- a HUGE MAJORITY.. I personally believe this is a war right here. So to me, running that flag over america's was a case of 'sedition' and needed to be dealt with...

this is getting out of hand... we are fighting a war across the world, and we are being overrun and overburdened here at home..

KUDOS to that guy!

The owner of the place was a legal citizen what does that have to do with it?

[LibertyOfOne]

"But OMG what about him ruining that $5 flag! personal property rights!! extreme nationalism!!!" :rolleyes:

Cost does not matter. Nothing gives me the right to trespass onto your property and vandalize something.

[ctb619]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that there is no federal offense in this case. The federal flag code is to give guidance to individuals, but has no punitive authority on private property. There may have been some local or state ordinance that I'm not aware of, but it seems this guy flying the Mexican flag broke no law.

[Rich333]

running that flag over america's was a case of 'sedition' and needed to be dealt with...
Sedition is protected by the first amendment.

[RP08]

Laws aside... what is the *right* situation?

I come from an Immigrant family from Italy several generations back. Gaining citizenship and eventually becoming Water Commissioner of a New Jersey city, the first of my family was a hero among men, fought militarily in our battles, and was a concientiously-proud American. Did he leave his heritage behind? NO!! Did he teach his next generation to disrespect where their blood-lines ran? NO!!

But, did he trample on the flag that symbolized, to him, freedom, liberty, opportunity, pride, and his home? Absolutely not. Would he fly the Italian flag above the American flag in any situation, for any reason? No. Not just because he learned "flag ettiquite" in the (American) military, but because it's improper and impolite on our soil.

He, and the generations after him in my family are very proud Americans. We've fought in every war, whether founded or not, we've suffered every catastrophe our fellow-Americans have and proudly represented America as Americans and not the offspring of legal (LEGAL) immigrants. We are Americans. Proud. Not so humble (in my family, at least). And, strong. If you desecrate the American flag, to us, it is NOT a piece of cloth. It is a direct symbol of what America (the people, not the government) is. And abuse of its meaning is absolutely insulting. My family takes it as a sign of disrespect for our sacrifices and our pride.

You can by Constitutional rights drive around all day with your middle finger flairing out the window, which may be perfectly legal, but eventually someone's gonna be a little pissed, gov't/no gov't, cop/no cop. Try spitting on a symbol of an entire family's heritage and existence in front of them?

Whether legal or not legal... whether equal or not equal... there's still something more important that exists beneath the seemingly shallow, to some, meaning of a simple flag.

When we stopped saying the "pledge of allegence" in school, did we also lose respect for tradition and sacrifice? F' the ACLU! I don't care if you have the right to disrespect America (the PEOPLE -- not the gov't). Use that right if you must, just don't be suddenly surprised that other people might not like the way you show it.

[Lord Xar]

The owner of the place was a legal citizen what does that have to do with it?

There is NO real proof of that, he just said he was...

What that mexican did was completely wrong. VERY DISRESPECTFUL. That Soldier was totally in the right, imho.

Soon it will be okay to fly mexican flags over schools with a majority mexcian class. Soon, they will be petitioning for spanish as the national language..
Remember, not all wars are fought with sticks and stones, some are more insidious.

There was a lot that went in with that guy raising that flag over America's. It wasn't just a mistake, all over this is happening.... trust me, this is not an isolated incident.
There is a real takover taking shape... just my opinion.

But not only that.. didn't the ACLU say something about the "law" being sorta just a symbolism sorta thing.. or something to that effect. SCREW the ACLU! They abide by the law when it suites them, and manipulate it as they see fit. They are just socialistic open border sadists. In their guise to protect the individual, their bigger plan is unfolding...... stoptheaclu.com

[LibertyOfOne]

The pledge of allegiance? You do know that was written by a socialist?

[LibertyOfOne]

There is NO real proof of that, he just said he was...

What that mexican did was completely wrong. VERY DISRESPECTFUL. That Soldier was totally in the right, imho.

Soon it will be okay to fly mexican flags over schools with a majority mexcian class. Soon, they will be petitioning for spanish as the national language..
Remember, not all wars are fought with sticks and stones, some are more insidious.

There was a lot that went in with that guy raising that flag over America's. It wasn't just a mistake, all over this is happening.... trust me, this is not an isolated incident.
There is a real takover taking shape... just my opinion.

But not only that.. didn't the ACLU say something about the "law" being sorta just a symbolism sorta thing.. or something to that effect. SCREW the ACLU! They abide by the law when it suites them, and manipulate it as they see fit. They are just socialistic open border sadists. In their guise to protect the individual, their bigger plan is unfolding...... stoptheaclu.com

Why not just burn your own Mexican flag in front of him? Or take one and cut it up with a knife? You can do whatever you want with your own property. The only time people are arrested for flag burning is when they burn a flag that is not their own property. While you're at it you can tear up a nice big blue UN flag.

[pengieh]

There is NO real proof of that, he just said he was...

What that mexican did was completely wrong. VERY DISRESPECTFUL. That Soldier was totally in the right, imho.

Soon it will be okay to fly mexican flags over schools with a majority mexcian class. Soon, they will be petitioning for spanish as the national language..
Remember, not all wars are fought with sticks and stones, some are more insidious.

There was a lot that went in with that guy raising that flag over America's. It wasn't just a mistake, all over this is happening.... trust me, this is not an isolated incident.
There is a real takover taking shape... just my opinion.

But not only that.. didn't the ACLU say something about the "law" being sorta just a symbolism sorta thing.. or something to that effect. SCREW the ACLU! They abide by the law when it suites them, and manipulate it as they see fit. They are just socialistic open border sadists. In their guise to protect the individual, their bigger plan is unfolding...... stoptheaclu.com

I find your views to be ridiculously racist.
1) The person is Mexican originally or holds some support for Mexico.
2) He must be illegal.
3) Even if he is legal, he must be anti-american.

I am sorry, but I fail to see how federal CODES trump natural rights to property. It is disrespectful to fly another flag about ours, but that is their choice. The veteran is wrong for stealing the flag from the man. Hell, there might even be a chance that the store owner didn't know the flag codes and would put the US flag above the Mexican one after being told. He was flying the US flag, which shows some support for American ideals.

[bbachtung]

I believe that Ron Paul addressed the issue of federal laws banning flag desecration best: http://www.ronpaullibrary.org/document.php?id=103

[cjhowe]

I can't speak for the store owner's reason for flying the Mexican flag above the U.S. flag. However most flag issues are not out of "disrespect" but out of specific meaning. Flying the flag upside down is an S.O.S. sign. Flying one nations flag higher than another's means you're at war. The soldier was wrong to take down the flag. This is only an issue of disrespect if the store owner is unaware of the meaning of flying nations flags at different heights (including the U.S. flag above a Mexican flag). Just as your 5 year old son or daughter is being disrespectful if he is dragging the flag on the ground.

If the store owner raised the flags meaning that the two countries are at war, that's a very poignant statement. One that I might agree that in the people's rhetoric, Americans have indeed declared war on Mexicans.

[cujothekitten]

Some of these posts are surprising to say the least. This gentleman didn't own that flag so he had no right to trespass and destroy it. If it was illegal to fly it then he calls the police and let them take care of it.

[steph3n]

In Texas the Texas flag is many times above the US Flag.
why do people seem to worship flags? What did your flag do for you today?

[Sergeant Brother]

Normally I believe in freedom of speech and the right to do what ever you want with a flag. But in this case I make an exception, because in my opinion in a very real sense we are at war with Mexico. There is a de facto conquest of America going on as we speak. I think that the Mexican flag flying over the American one doesn't just happen to be an etiquette faux pas - its indicative of what is happening in America and the serious danger that our nation is in.

I'm all for freedom of speech and having to right to deface a flag as a political statement. But having immigrants here who have total loyalty to their country of origin and none to America isn't freedom of speech issue, its conquest.

[constituent]

Normally I believe in freedom of speech and the right to do what ever you want with a flag. But in this case I make an exception, because in my opinion in a very real sense we are at war with Mexico. There is a de facto conquest of America going on as we speak.

Then I suppose it'll only be a matter of time before the de facto killing
begins. Posts like these seem to prove that we've already lost.

Personally, as in between you and me, the U.S., and all the wimpy states that seek shelter under
its dying arms need to stay the hell out of Texas' business. It is none of yours.

If you must be driven by television and talk radio to hatred and fear,
take your race war drivel and sell it to the Okies. It is just a flag,
another false idol to worship, but friend it is a far cry from an act
of war. Be human.