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FrankRep
01-07-2010, 04:54 PM
Jerry Salcido believes that exposing conspiracy is counterproductive and labels as “unsubstantiated and speculative” the conspiratorial activities of the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, and Council of Foreign Relations by John F. McManus


Are Conspiracy Theories Counterproductive? (http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5823-are-conspiracy-theories-counterproductive-)


John F. McManus | John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/)
07 January 2010


Jerry Salcido is an attorney living in Utah. A homeschool champion and a defender of numerous good causes in essays he has penned, he is also a captive of the flawed notion contending that exposing conspiracy is counterproductive.

Mr. Salcido has likely heard of Sun Tzu. If so, he failed to grasp the following extremely important point made by the ancient Chinese philosopher: “If you know the enemy and you know yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles.” Without doubt, the Utah barrister knows himself. But, from reading his recent “Philosophy vs. Conspiracy (http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=459)” essay, I venture to say that he doesn’t have a very sound appreciation of who his enemy truly is. He believes that all that’s necessary to preserve our nation, its Constitution, and personal freedom is wide understanding and preaching “the philosophy of freedom.” His very emphatic stand will surely delight the masters of deceit who are working to build their “new world order” and make slaves of all of us.

Labeling in turn as “unsubstantiated and speculative” the conspiratorial activities of the Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, and Council of Foreign Relations, Mr. Salcido includes a few insulting accusations aimed at those who see deliberate evil in the work of such persons and groups. He even aimed one of his darts at anyone who believes the Illuminati has ever been part of a conspiracy against civilization. As it happens, that would include George Washington, our nation's first President. As letters written in the twilight of his life clearly indicate, Washington firmly believed otherwise. [1 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field%28DOCID+@lit%28gw360346%29%29), 2 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field%28DOCID+@lit%28gw360395%29%29)]

According to this man, those who spread evidence about conspiracy are guilty of creating “road blocks in furthering liberty.” The real problem that must be addressed, we are told, is that there are “competing philosophies.” Therefore, everyone interested in liberty should spend maximum effort defending freedom and opposing coercion. I wonder if Mr. Salcido thinks he would get very far convincing Henry Kissinger, David Rockefeller, Dick Cheney, Bill Clinton and numerous others that they err in coercing the American people into accepting steps on the way to total world government.

Not everyone “is automatically a nut” who believes in the existence of a conspiracy says our Utah essayist. But those who do hold and preach such beliefs “tend to do more harm than good to the liberty movement.” God forbid that some new world order policeman or soldier will ever show up at Mr. Salcido’s door with orders to cart him off to some internment camp. Protesting with his many books touting the advantages of liberty will get him nowhere.

Let it be said here very emphatically: There’s nothing wrong and plenty beneficial with knowing and preaching the philosophy of liberty. But that’s not enough if an enemy has the same understanding yet works round the clock in shadows to impose his very opposite view. Sun Tzu also said, “All warfare is based on deception.” If an enemy can deceive you into believing that he merely holds a different point of view while he steadily undermines everything you believe in, he will triumph no matter how well you can defend your side of the question.

Conspiracy has been the conclusion of George Washington, the U.S. Senate Subcommittee on Internal Subversion, the House Committee on Un-American Activities, Supreme Court Justices, J. Edgar Hoover, Barry Goldwater, Ezra Taft Benson, Robert Welch, and many others. Should they be ignored? Did they harm the “liberty movement” with their pronouncements? Were they not also students of the “philosophy of liberty” and believers in conspiracy as well?

Mr. Salcido knows that our country is in trouble. But he makes the serious error of the man whose community is threatened by a multiplicity of fires being set all over the area and decides to study fire-fighting instead of helping local authorities to apprehend an arsonist. He actually wrote that “NAFTA, GATT, etc.” should have been opposed by discussing only “the economic benefits/detriments of such treaties.” It is hardly a difficult task to produce statements from both David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger urging members of Congress to support NAFTA in 1993 because the pact was needed to build the new world order each had been spending a lifetime working to erect.

The Utah attorney also seems to be unaware of the energizing feature inherent in the highest instinct in human nature, self-preservation. A person who arrives at the well-established conclusion that a conspiracy threatens his life and those of his family and countrymen gets involved in the fight for freedom. A person who believes that wrong ideas are the basic problem may or may not intensely study the principles of liberty and may or may not seek to convince fellow citizens of their worth. Usually, he will decide that leaders who are merely ignorant or misinformed will soon wake up and abandon their destructive course. He may even send a very sound book about economics to Mr. Kissinger.

Many excellent Americans are at least as aware of the “philosophy of liberty” as is Mr. Salcido. But they also know enough history to understand that it reeks with conspiracy. One who cares to do so can even read about conspiracies in Holy Scripture. All that has ever been needed to counter such plots and their plotters is exposure. He’s correct in stating that some conspiracy theories are daft, and some promoters of wild beliefs do more harm than good. But conspiracies do exist. The one that threatens us today is not going to be defeated by sound economic treatises alone. Sun Tzu had it right: one must know his enemy if he expects to be victorious. Let us add that many more Americans must understand the master conspiracy at work, and join in the effort to expose and rout it, if one expects to remain free. Mr. Salcido’s help would be most welcome.


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http://www.jbs.org/jbs-news-feed/5823-are-conspiracy-theories-counterproductive-

sofia
01-07-2010, 05:13 PM
From the conspirator's point of view, nothing could be more reassuring than to hear his adversaries say "There is no conspiracy."

Think about it!

There's a reason why the John Birch Society was attacked so viciously. It's because the JBS is not afraid to use the C-word.....and THAT scares the hell out of the globalists.

kathy88
01-07-2010, 05:14 PM
They are one of my favorite pasttimes.

purplechoe
01-07-2010, 05:18 PM
http://www.piratenews.org/great-cons-piracy.jpg

some call it conspiracy, others the great con's piracy...

tmosley
01-07-2010, 05:31 PM
Big conspiracies leave big traces. If you want to look for conspiracies, you need only look at the skyline of the nearest city. 98% chance the tallest building i owned by a bank, and as such is a member of the banking conspiracy that is tearing this nation to shreds as we speak. Whining about thought control, fluoride in the water, vaccines, etc. is indeed counerproductive. If such conspiracies exist, they are dependent on the government, and the government is dependent on the banks.

Ferret out the banking conspiracy and return sound money to our nation, and all else will either wither, or be revealed. Banking is the root. Strike the root. Plucking at the leaves is pointless and tiring, as each one you manage to pluck will be replaced by two more.

jmdrake
01-07-2010, 05:34 PM
Thanks for posting this. It's laughable that Salcido thinks economic philosophy solves everything. What about foreign policy? I've met quite a few people who have no problem with Ron Paul's economics, but who think we need to torture or bomb our way out of the "terrorist threat". Plus look at the whole global warming fiasco? The best thing to slow that down was the exposure of the climategate conspiracy. When people have been fooled by fear into thinking they face an existential threat economics no longer trumps. Mr. Salcido is also quite illogical to think that people who hear about conspiracies cannot then hear about economics. Some people only become aware of the economics after learning about the conspiracies that push them. After all, most economists put forward on the mainstream media claimed the bank bailout was necessary. How does Mr. Salcido explain the answer to the question "Why are all of the experts saying X if the truth is Y"? If I hadn't first heard the things that Mr. Salcido claims noboby in the freedom movement should talk about, I probably would have ended up voting for Obama. :eek:

Also it's sad how people like Mr. Salcido needlessly start such fights. I've not seen anyone at the CFL blogs talking about conspiracy theories. Why the need to try to control what everybody in the movement does everywhere? Not good for freedom. Not good indeed.

TinCanToNA
01-07-2010, 05:44 PM
Conspiracy theory is almost universally counter-productive. Dealing in conspiracy evidence, however, can get you some traction. Unfortunately, too often a theorist will present absolutely indisputable bullshit as incontrovertible truth. That is a conspirator's greatest ally. Kind of like when an animal gets off the hook for rape because of a mistrial resulting from a technicality.

Dieseler
01-07-2010, 05:55 PM
Theories are built and composed of evidence.
Conspiracy Theories however are generally composed of evidence that is strongly opposed by people who hold great power and sway over public opinion.

As The people and We are The people, We should strive to hold debate on these Theories more fairly with one another in order to separate the bullshit from the solid evidence and begin to sort these Theories into one or more brackets which would either merit further investigation or quite possibly view the outcome of investigation to be that there is not enough evidence to merit further investigation or even quantify the evidence as strong enough to say the theory is now a Fact.

We could go a long way here in doing that but Solid, Professional, Unbiased, Moderation would be the key to reaching a consensus.

I think we owe it to ourselves to do this.
There is a lot at stake.

jmdrake
01-07-2010, 06:03 PM
Conspiracy theory is almost universally counter-productive. Dealing in conspiracy evidence, however, can get you some traction. Unfortunately, too often a theorist will present absolutely indisputable bullshit as incontrovertible truth. That is a conspirator's greatest ally. Kind of like when an animal gets off the hook for rape because of a mistrial resulting from a technicality.

Well thankfully for us there's plenty of rocksolid incontrovertible evidence. Take the "north American union - Amero" conspiracy. The former president of Mexico admitted it on Larry King Live. Of course some people will always find a reason not to believe the truth. Look at how the MSM has tried to debunk Climategate? That's "smoking gun" evidence that people claim they want. But people always come up with a way to keep believing what they want. The best thing to do at in many cases is to "shake the dust off your feet" and go on to the next person.

Side note. Conspiracies are in the eyes of the beyolder. Some of the same people who don't want certain conspiracies discussed love to talk about "death panels". And some of the people who reject the "death panel" conspiracies don't mind hearing about 9/11. Claiming that conspiracies turn people off is really just another form of collectivism.

dr. hfn
01-07-2010, 06:06 PM
What if some of the conspiracies are true? or partly true? The risk is great

BlackTerrel
01-07-2010, 07:31 PM
Conspiracy theories sell. If you write a book saying the CIA killed JFK you will sell many more copies than if you say it was Lee Harvey Oswald killed him.

I have no problem with "conspiracy theories" per se - but I like to look at things logically and I think sometimes conspiracy theorists try to twist things to fit their agenda. At times they are too clever for their own good.

jkr
01-07-2010, 07:34 PM
conversation should NEVER be counterproductive

Bruno
01-07-2010, 07:37 PM
conversation should NEVER be counterproductive

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