Should logic be taught in public schools?

[Pennsylvania]

While we have a public education system, should instruction in the study of logic become a priority? Assuming the school-day does not increase in length, should it take the place of another field of study? If so, which?

[Original_Intent]

Have it replace socialist studies.

[constituent]

You would have to find someone capable of teaching it.

Good luck.

[Aratus]

You would have to find
someone capable
of teaching it.

Good luck.

true...

[ScoutsHonor]

John Taylor Gatto. But it would never happen..

[Kludge]

In a perfect world, everyone would rehearse and sing my Will in choir.

Well said, Pennsiatto.

[MRoCkEd]

I don't believe in should.

Wow - That word seems odd when you stare at it for a while.

[osan]

While we have a public education system

We do not have a public education system. We have a public schoolsystem. While related, the two are not the same. Very little education goes on in our schools, overall. A lot of training, however, does and much of that is actually pretty good but on the educational front our school systems ultra-suck. This is not a uniquely American failing, as many people seem to believe. Many of the world's public systems suck in that regard. Japan is really bad in this regard.


...should instruction in the study of logic become a priority?

It can't hurt (it in fact is taught in some school districts), but is not in itself sufficient. One of the greatest failings of our schools system lies in the one-size-fits-all mentality that has defined the very fabric of American "education" since at least the end of the 19th century. The slavish obsession with "standardization" is a root element in the current gross deficiencies we find in our system. This obsession fosters one-size-fits-all thinking to the point where kids are so corralled in their thinking that creativity goes out the door. It is the school system's form of political correctness. When students express opinions outside a very narrowly defined envelope, they often "fail" and are even punished for holding such unacceptable views as the school administration may decide upon.

My point is that the problems with out school systems are so profound and wide ranging that "fixes" such as what you suggest here are not even approaching adequacy.

[ChaosControl]

Its fine but I don't think it is absolutely necessary. I'd rather resources be directed elsewhere, however if we have an abundance of resources to use, then sure I would be in favor of it.

[low preference guy]

If the government is in charge of teaching logic, they will probably find a way to make kids hate logic.

So no, let the government stay out of it. The most important something is, the more reason there is to oppose having the government do it.

[ScoutsHonor]

^Lol!

It's very hard to argue with your logic...!:p:o

[Uriel999]

I've just finished my first week working in public education. Logic has been taught daily actually. It has been done in ways that the kids don't even realize they are learning. It is usually tied into a game.

[raiha]

You would have to find someone capable of teaching it.

Good luck.
:D
I answered at the expense of another subject, but as i do not know what is in yr curriculum, i don't know what it could replace.

[Rancher]

We do not have a public education system. We have a public schoolsystem. While related, the two are not the same. Very little education goes on in our schools, overall. A lot of training, however, does and much of that is actually pretty good but on the educational front our school systems ultra-suck. This is not a uniquely American failing, as many people seem to believe. Many of the world's public systems suck in that regard. Japan is really bad in this regard.

I agree. Privatize education.

[Brian4Liberty]

They should teach debate, logic and public speaking all together. It would do more to prep kids for the real world than all other subjects except for the 3 Rs...

[osan]

They should teach debate, logic and public speaking all together. It would do more to prep kids for the real world than all other subjects except for the 3 Rs...

Back in the days when the one-room schoolhouse was ubiquitous, there was taught not the 3Rs, but the 4Rs. Reading, writing, 'rithmetic, and <drum roll>...

RHETORIC

Rhetoric is the art of using language powerfully, with art and craft. It is the single most important of the Rs and interestingly enough, the only one that got the ax. See this essay (http://freedomisobvious.blogspot.com/2009/11/langauge-and-freedom.html)for a discussion on the central importance of language skills to our very survival. The upshot is, without language we would not be able to survive - the human race would literally perish in short order. Given this, why has language skill been given such a short-shrift in the USA?

[ScoutsHonor]

Back in the days when the one-room schoolhouse was ubiquitous, there was taught not the 3Rs, but the 4Rs. Reading, writing, 'rithmetic, and <drum roll>...

RHETORIC

Rhetoric is the art of using language powerfully, with art and craft. It is the single most important of the Rs and interestingly enough, the only one that got the ax. See this essay (http://freedomisobvious.blogspot.com/2009/11/langauge-and-freedom.html)for a discussion on the central importance of language skills to our very survival. The upshot is, without language we would not be able to survive - the human race would literally perish in short order. Given this, why has language skill been given such a short-shrift in the USA?


Because there is a PLAN to destroy our kids' cognitive skills.
See Charlotte Iserbyt's The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America:
(http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/)
http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/ (http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/)

[osan]

I agree. Privatize education.

But do not corporatize it. Privatized schooling should be as it was in the 19th century - a locally controlled affair that met the needs of the community.

One of the greatest evils that has been foisted upon us is educational standardization. One-size-fits-all-education is a diametric and absolute contradiction in terms. There is no such thing. It is a literal impossibility.

[heavenlyboy34]

Because there is a PLAN to destroy our kids' cognitive skills.
See Charlotte Iserbyt's The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America:

(http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/)[/URL][url]http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/ (http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/)

This is a great book! :cool:

[crushingstep7]

It doesn't matter what's taught in school.
Socialized education SUCKS, and is a cesspool of idiots who call themselves adults, and children who either want to escape or blow lines in the bathroom.

Abolish it and let PARENTS raise their children.
In the mean time, I suggest people get their GEDs (unless they're the Harvard types, in which case, you're long gone)...

[Brett]

Back in the days when the one-room schoolhouse was ubiquitous, there was taught not the 3Rs, but the 4Rs. Reading, writing, 'rithmetic, and <drum roll>...

RHETORIC

Rhetoric is the art of using language powerfully, with art and craft. It is the single most important of the Rs and interestingly enough, the only one that got the ax.

I learned about it in my AP English 11 class. All other classes/level of difficulty don't hear a mention of it.

[priest_of_syrinx]

Have it replace socialist studies.

Wow, you worded it way better than I was going to!

[DamianTV]

you would have to find someone capable of teaching it.

Good luck.

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