Why don't we emphasize we're giving terrorists what they want?

[djinwa]

I keep hearing Ron Paul saying why the terrorists hate us. He is correct, but many cannot handle the concept, or refuse to accept that our actions might be less than holy.

Perhaps it would go over better to mention that we are doing exactly what Osama bin Laden wanted us to do. A softer approach without the accusation of evildoing.

Yes, they baited us and we took it. Now we will go bankrupt, and they are loving it. That is the image the American people need - a bunch of terrorists sitting around the campfire laughing at us, reading their newspapers about out mounting debt.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16990-2004Nov1.html

Osama bin Laden:


All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two Mujahedin to the farthest point East to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qa'ida in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human economic and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits to their private companies. This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers as we alongside the Mujahedin bled Russia for 10 years until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat. All Praise is due to Allah.

So we are continuing this policy in bleeding America to the point of bankruptcy. Allah is willing and nothing is too great for Allah. That being said, those who say that al-Qa'ida has won against the administration in the White House or that the administration has lost in this war have not been precise because when one scrutinizes the results, one cannot say that Al-Qa'ida is the sole factor in achieving these spectacular gains. Rather, the policy of the White House that demands the opening of war fronts to keep busy their various corporations -- whether they be working in the field of arms or oil or reconstruction -- has helped al-Qa'ida to achieve those enormous results. And so it has appeared to some analysts and diplomats that the White House and us are playing as one team towards the economic goals of the United States even if the intentions differ. And it was to these sorts of notions and their like that the British diplomat and others were referring in their lectures at the Royal Institute of International Affairs (when they pointed out that) for example, al-Qa'ida spent $500,000 on the event, while America in the incident and its aftermath lost -- according to the lowest estimates -- more than 500 billion dollars, meaning that every dollar of al-Qa'ida defeated a million dollars by the permission of Allah besides the loss of a huge number of jobs. As for the size of the economic deficit, it has reached record, astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars.

[Dunedain]

Is it fun to explain why the "terrorists" have won when talking with big government loving republicrats. In a way, I feel the U.S. has many similarities to Nazi Germany, both in our foreign wars, building concentration camps for our political enemies (or subsidizing our allies to build theirs) and move toward socialism that Germany experienced. We are the evil doers now....God help us all.

[catdd]

The sheep just don't want to hear about blowback. They believe we are acting in self-defense and the government is keeping them safe. We are good and they are bad and that's all there is to it.

[RM918]

Fred Reed pointed this out in a column of his recently, and I completely agree. It's absolutely disgusting to see these dumbass neocons beating their chests about how tough they are on the terrorists, when we're giving them exactly what they want. If the U.S. collapses, it will be because of Osama's work which I have to grudgingly admit as a master stroke. If a terrorist is his trade, he will no doubt go down as among the greatest by forcing down the world's monumental superpower into living so deeply in fear of him and his actions that it will cripple us.

[nbruno322]

Since they "hate us for our freedoms", the govt is just taking away our freedoms so they won't hate us anymore :)

[Epic]

Since they "hate us for our freedoms", the govt is just taking away our freedoms so they won't hate us anymore :)

that should do the trick

[fisharmor]

Since they "hate us for our freedoms", the govt is just taking away our freedoms so they won't hate us anymore :)

"What? The land of the free?
WHOEVER TOLD YOU THAT IS YOUR ENEMY."
-Zack de la Rocha, 1991


I do bring this up. Particularly to neocons.
I don't think they are going to pay attention until some time they've eaten their first dog.

[jmdrake]

Didn't you know? The terrorists hate us for our freedoms. Therefore we must do away with all of our freedoms to fight the terrorists. ;)

[MichelleHeart]

It was funny how, during the Paul-Stein squabble on Larry King Live, Stein started to stutter and repeat the same words over and over again when confronted with the question, "And why do they hate us?"

[djinwa]

I just watched Ron Paul on Larry King and he did make this point about us doing what Osama bin Laden wants. Good stuff.

[MichelleHeart]

I just watched Ron Paul on Larry King and he did make this point about us doing what Osama bin Laden wants. Good stuff.

Yeah, his quote was great: "Osama bin Laden said that he has a plan for America. First, he wants to bog us down in the Middle East in a no-win war. He wants to bankrupt this country, demoralize us, as well as have us do things that motivate people to join his radical movement. It seems like we have fallen into his trap."

[bunklocoempire]

Since they "hate us for our freedoms", the govt is just taking away our freedoms so they won't hate us anymore :)

Along with "hate us for our freedoms" you can add:

"Hate us for our technology" As Mark Stein (sp?) sitting in for Rush added today.

Excellent reasoning, modern airplanes into modern skyscrapers -Of course! How the hell could we have missed that! :rolleyes::mad:

Bunkloco

[MichelleHeart]

I sometimes wonder how Americans would react if the military of some European country invaded our land to kill liberal talk show hosts who are envious of socialist health care and cradle-to-grave welfare benefits, the country's justification being, "They hate us for our free stuff."

[anaconda]

I keep hearing Ron Paul saying why the terrorists hate us. He is correct, but many cannot handle the concept, or refuse to accept that our actions might be less than holy.

Perhaps it would go over better to mention that we are doing exactly what Osama bin Laden wanted us to do. A softer approach without the accusation of evildoing.

Yes, they baited us and we took it. Now we will go bankrupt, and they are loving it. That is the image the American people need - a bunch of terrorists sitting around the campfire laughing at us, reading their newspapers about out mounting debt.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2004Nov1.html


Bin Laden is dead. The terrorists are a creation of the intelligence agencies. Ron Paul is very aware of this. This is 100% about military spending and civil control.

[PBrady]

Bin Laden is dead. The terrorists are a creation of the intelligence agencies. Ron Paul is very aware of this. This is 100% about military spending and civil control.

:eek:

[Dianne]

Once people realize the terrorists... the Fruit of the Boom bomber has all the makings of "fail" which is typical of anyone that works for the FED or anything the FED touches. God forbid a plane bombing should take place, but when you have these comical exercises... it has United States Federal Government "failure" and incompetance written all over it. It's really becoming laughable, if you think about it.

[MichelleHeart]

The terrorists we really should be worried about are the terrorists in Washington and Wall Street.

[Andrew-Austin]

Didn't you know? The terrorists hate us for our freedoms. Therefore we must do away with all of our freedoms to fight the terrorists. ;)

Who woulda thunk the secret neocon strategy during the Bush years to keep us safe was appeasement.

[ramallamamama]

Yes it is true the government, I mean terrorists hate us for our freedom.

[Andrew-Austin]

Yes it is true the government, I mean terrorists hate us for our freedom.

Keep those thought crimes in check boy. They definition of terrorism clearly distinguishes the government from violent radicals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition_of_terrorism


The word "terrorism" is politically and emotionally charged,[1] and this greatly compounds the difficulty of providing a precise definition.

A 2003 study by Jeffrey Record for the US Army quoted a source (Schmid and Jongman 1988) that counted 109 definitions of terrorism that covered a total of 22 different definitional elements.[2] Record continues "Terrorism expert Walter Laqueur also has counted over 100 definitions and concludes that the 'only general characteristic generally agreed upon is that terrorism involves violence and the threat of violence.' Yet terrorism is hardly the only enterprise involving violence and the threat of violence. So does war, coercive diplomacy, and bar room brawls."[3] Such an understanding does leave open the option for some governments to be considered terrorist organizations as well.



The modern definition of terrorism is inherently controversial. The use of violence for the achievement of political ends is common to state and non-state groups. The difficulty is in agreeing on a basis for determining when the use of violence (directed at whom, by whom, for what ends) is legitimate. The majority of definitions in use have been written by agencies directly associated with a government, and are systematically biased to exclude governments from the definition.

[ramallamamama]

^ I oh so thoughtfully corrected my Freudian slip.

[djinwa]

The other point I'm about to make at another site I visit, with many "conservatives":

Why is it that conservatives are unable to criticize the military and our foreign policy.

Conservatives are supposedly for small government, because govment is full of fraud, waste, abuse and incompetence. EXCEPT for our military and foreign policy makers who are incapable of error or evil, right?

[MichelleHeart]

Here's another interesting bit of information from the link Andrew-Austin posted:


The European Union employs a definition of terrorism for legal/official purposes which is set out in Art. 1 of the Framework Decision on Combating Terrorism (2002).[24] This provides that terrorist offences are certain criminal offences set out in a list comprised largely of serious offences against persons and property which;

"given their nature or context, may seriously damage a country or an international organisation where committed with the aim of: seriously intimidating a population;or unduly compelling a Government or international organisation to perform or abstain from performing any act; or seriously destabilising or destroying the fundamental political, constitutional, economic or social structures of a country or an international organisation."

[BlackTerrel]

I keep hearing Ron Paul saying why the terrorists hate us. He is correct, but many cannot handle the concept, or refuse to accept that our actions might be less than holy.

Perhaps it would go over better to mention that we are doing exactly what Osama bin Laden wanted us to do. A softer approach without the accusation of evildoing.

Yes, they baited us and we took it. Now we will go bankrupt, and they are loving it. That is the image the American people need - a bunch of terrorists sitting around the campfire laughing at us, reading their newspapers about out mounting debt.

I think Ron Paul actually makes this argument very well. I thought he spoke this point very well on Larry King yesterday.

[BlackTerrel]

Bin Laden is dead. The terrorists are a creation of the intelligence agencies. Ron Paul is very aware of this. This is 100% about military spending and civil control.

If Ron Paul is aware of this why doesn't he say it? If you are right then he has been doing a lot of lying.

[Reason]

Since they "hate us for our freedoms", the govt is just taking away our freedoms so they won't hate us anymore :)

:D :(

[Andrew-Austin]

Here's another interesting bit of information from the link Andrew-Austin posted:

For reals they have been doing a lot of that. If it weren't sad it would be very funny.

[catdd]

"the govt is just taking away our freedoms so they won't hate us anymore"

Nice.

[pacelli]

It was funny how, during the Paul-Stein squabble on Larry King Live, Stein started to stutter and repeat the same words over and over again when confronted with the question, "And why do they hate us?"

I think Ben Stein has had a stroke, and he looked to me like he was getting ready to stroke out again during that debate.

He has an unusual face paralysis thing going on.

[anaconda]

If Ron Paul is aware of this why doesn't he say it? If you are right then he has been doing a lot of lying.

He probably does not know with 100% certainty so he is not really lying. He's paraphrasing the generally accepted official vernacular to fit his ideology. This serves as useful illustration for the masses. It's a good game plan.