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Uncle Emanuel Watkins
12-30-2009, 02:53 PM
Our Founding Fathers did not establish this nation based on a cognizant, political science, but on the physical science of natural law. As the old world has continued along a different path developing a modern science that benefits tyranny, the new world of the United States needs to break away creating an existential science for itself that will benefit its people.
In other words, after an eternity of the people subsisting for the benefit of tyranny, tyranny has found a way to put the people back in their place. By placing the concerns of the plants and animals above that of man, we are now going to have to be made to be responsible rather than happy. As no man has ever been responsible save the Almighty, then this will only lead to unhappiness. People go to war when they are unhappy.
The goal of making the people responsible is what pollutes the world, not the goal of making them happy.
Half of what gets that life to break out of the seed, the chick out of the egg so to speak, is fear of being imprisoned by the darkness within. It is the Truth on the other side, the half outside of the egg that encourages, envisions and empowers us onward in our quest to be free.
This Truth exists apart from reality -- a deception created by all observable and theoretical evidence. This deception will discourage the people (the prostituted represented by the lowly prostitute) into believing that they can't in their darkness stand and walk in faith. That it is not better to die for the Truth than to live for a lie. That one won't be enriched by supporting the one and only Ethic!
Therefore, the new world of the United States needs to establish its own science apart from the rest of the old world.

tmosley
12-30-2009, 03:15 PM
Science isn't your enemy. Religion is just as easily swayed to do harm to the masses as science. There have been countless examples of the former, and only a few examples of the latter (which has admittedly been around for a lesser amount of time).

Blame the government, not scientists.

Original_Intent
12-30-2009, 03:23 PM
I would like to commend UEW on a well thought out post that made no references to pimps or whores. :D

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
12-30-2009, 03:59 PM
Science isn't your enemy. Religion is just as easily swayed to do harm to the masses as science. There have been countless examples of the former, and only a few examples of the latter (which has admittedly been around for a lesser amount of time).

Blame the government, not scientists.

A. The government use to be the product inside with the people being the package discarded. While the king ruling from throne was the conclusion that the people bowed down to, the prince standing in wait was being trained by teachers to take his rightful place on the throne when that time came. This type of teaching created perpetual dynasties.
B. Then came Socrates. Socrates in Plato's dialogue entitled Meno clearly defined another type of teaching. He supposed that a slave could learn if his or her mind were served by a midwife philosopher -- a teacher like Socrates. This type of teaching created the nations, the ideal of good, positive government, and the social contract theory between the government and its people.
C. Our Founding Fathers did not establish our nation on a political science but on a Truth. This Truth was established using the physical science of natural law. That means it is indisputible.
What else can be said?
No lawyer can concoct any legal argument to challenge a natural law; no scientist can develop an alternative theory to it, no philosopher can reason any method to question it; and, no historian can research any history to revise it. It simply is the Truth!
The modern science developed by the old world has moved on beyond the science of natural law used by our Founding Fathers. As the science of natural law is more existential in how it has benefitted the people (and not tyranny), the United States should adopt this type of metaphysical science while rejecting all other methods.

fisharmor
12-30-2009, 04:08 PM
This Truth exists apart from reality

Please explain this.
Part of the problem with the world, as I see it, is the all-pervasive notion that truth is an internal matter, very much apart from reality: this as opposed to objective truth, which is as much true for you as it is for me and vice versa.

Plants and animals have been given higher priority largely through the use of untruth - skewed or concocted numbers, fraudulent practices, presented in a manner which ignores the fundamental question of "what is objectively true".

We don't need a new science: merely a revival of science. Science is not fraud. Science is not lies. Science welcomes competing ideas, as competition is the crucible in which truth is refined.

But there has to be an agreement first, that there is such a thing as objective truth, and on the definition of "fraud" and "lie".

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
12-30-2009, 04:10 PM
I would like to commend UEW on a well thought out post that made no references to pimps or whores. :D

The conclusion declaring a king a tyrant is well thought out. The conclusion that the people are prostituted by tyranny is well thought out. The conclusion that the people should be represented by the figure of a prostitute just as tyranny is represented by a fallen king is well thought out.
While the people can be envisioned and empowered by thinking of themselves as the prostituted, the prostitute herself can be envisioned and empowered by thinking of herself as "we the people."
We greatly cheat ourselves with drastic change while we greatly benefit ourselves by carefully adding just a little bit of change onto a great history.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
12-30-2009, 04:26 PM
Please explain this.
Part of the problem with the world, as I see it, is the all-pervasive notion that truth is an internal matter, very much apart from reality: this as opposed to objective truth, which is as much true for you as it is for me and vice versa.

Plants and animals have been given higher priority largely through the use of untruth - skewed or concocted numbers, fraudulent practices, presented in a manner which ignores the fundamental question of "what is objectively true".

We don't need a new science: merely a revival of science. Science is not fraud. Science is not lies. Science welcomes competing ideas, as competition is the crucible in which truth is refined.

But there has to be an agreement first, that there is such a thing as objective truth, and on the definition of "fraud" and "lie".

As reality works for those who are equal, only the Truth can work for the sake of both the king and the prostitute. Concerning future Americans, our Founding Fathers declared reality a lie! It was the Truth behind the cruel facts of life that we should hold most dear to our hearts. This created for us a new Formal Culture above all the past traditions share by our old cultures while it also lifted up for us a new Civil Purpose. This Civil Purpose supercedes all legal precedence!
This all came about not by the use of political science, the manipulation of the masses, or by modern theoritical science, the belief that the Truth can be known by the collection of observable and theoretical evidence, but by the use of the physical science of natural law.

Original_Intent
12-30-2009, 05:14 PM
The conclusion declaring a king a tyrant is well thought out. The conclusion that the people are prostituted by tyranny is well thought out. The conclusion that the people should be represented by the figure of a prostitute just as tyranny is represented by a fallen king is well thought out.
While the people can be envisioned and empowered by thinking of themselves as the prostituted, the prostitute herself can be envisioned and empowered by thinking of herself as "we the people."
We greatly cheat ourselves with drastic change while we greatly benefit ourselves by carefully adding just a little bit of change onto a great history.

I wasn't saying your other posts were not well thought out. I was saying that you beat the metaphor of pimp and prostitute to within an inch of annihilation. So it was nice to see a post from you that did not go to that well again.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
12-30-2009, 06:05 PM
I wasn't saying your other posts were not well thought out. I was saying that you beat the metaphor of pimp and prostitute to within an inch of annihilation. So it was nice to see a post from you that did not go to that well again.

Where the line is drawn in society between the officially deemed and the unofficially deemed is fought over tooth and nail. At the point between the two extremes exists the official managers and the unofficial ones with the latter being foremen or those types of "supervisors" considered to be non-salaried.
Yet, all people "manage" themselves just by showing up everyday and on time. In the past days of tyranny, the only product in the box was "management" itself while the people served it. One has returned to pimping and whoring when the only product in the box is management. During these dark days, management is becoming our only product. Over time, tyranny has reestablished itself in the United States by richly rewarding those executives who market the product and those workers who assemble it. Meanwhile, the engineers and machinists, the heart of the process, have been whored (contracted) out to China. Yet, when a product is poorly machined and engineered, it is perceived as junk before it is even assembled! After the assemblers are laid off as a result of them assembling junk, the only product left in the box is management -- the proverbial empty box of goods.
How do we magically fix this problem? Well we turn to business executive to sell the empty box. And what do they do? Well they turn to the pretty face to sell the empty box. And what happens when no one buys the empty box of goods any more? Well, tyranny turns to selling the pretty face instead -- the return to the tyranny of pimping and whoring!