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sharpsteve2003
12-28-2009, 10:16 PM
Ron Paul appeared on Larry King Live on CNN this evening along with Ben Stein and Sheila Jackson Lee to discuss the recent thwarted terrorist attack. After Paul gives his now famous view that they “attack us because we are over there” Ben Stein calls Paul antisemitic which solicits a demand for an apology by Paul. Paul characterizes it as a “vicious attack”.
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http://libertymaven.com/2009/12/28/ben-stein-calls-ron-paul-antisemitic-on-larry-king/8440/

YouTube - Ron Paul on Larry King 12/28/2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFdG4eySIU8)

SWATH
12-28-2009, 10:21 PM
This just in, all those who fight against occupiers are murderous psychos.

Reason
12-28-2009, 10:25 PM
I didn't realize Stein was such a douche.

sofia
12-28-2009, 10:28 PM
This means war!

We must confront these neo-con psychos head on.


These are the real perps behind 9/11.

Umbro2914
12-28-2009, 10:32 PM
this segment was disgusting. horrible positions which couldnt even be supported by anyone, and absolutly horrible mediating by Larry...

revolutionary8
12-28-2009, 10:39 PM
I didn't realize Stein was such a douche.

He was Nixon's speech writer CR. What do you expect?

During the argument, all I heard was "Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller...." I could hear a word either of them was saying until I played it back a few times. Ppl who watched it on TV just heard Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller too I'm sure. lol

YouTube - Bueller Bueller Bueller (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zyjLyBp64)

His voice just drowns everything else out, and puts you in some sort of hypnotic trance.

And SJL just likes to hear herself ramble along. The whole segment was annoying, RP should avoid this line-up like the plague. Don't get me started on Dead Man Walking Larry King.

It will backfire. People are sick and damned tired of being called "Anti-Semites" and "Racists" and "Conspiracy Theorists" at the drop of a hat.

Original_Intent
12-28-2009, 10:53 PM
"Ben, you're an embarassment." Wow, I don;t think I have ever seen Ron go after someeone like that - well at least since that fat kid back in the 70s. :D

purplechoe
12-28-2009, 11:22 PM
http://www.bangitout.com/uploads/49cesca-mel-gibson.jpg

purplechoe
12-28-2009, 11:26 PM
http://kwatterson.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/image.jpeg

question - what do the two men have in common? btw, it's Marlon Brando and Mel Gibson.

rawful
12-28-2009, 11:28 PM
YouTube - Opie & Anthony: Ben Stein Hangs Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP0_wqgWilE)

Reason
12-28-2009, 11:30 PM
http://www.annihilia.com/anifiles/steintard.jpg

Reason
12-28-2009, 11:31 PM
YouTube - Opie & Anthony: Ben Stein Hangs Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP0_wqgWilE)

seriously?????????????????????

Free Moral Agent
12-28-2009, 11:34 PM
LoL I had a good laugh at this one. Ron was totally treating him like a petty little kid!

angelatc
12-28-2009, 11:37 PM
"I've never heard anything like this in my whole life."

Channeling Rudy.....

Wow, Ben really didn't have an answer, so he resorted to the default anti-Semite position.

Magicman
12-28-2009, 11:38 PM
I think Ben Stein felt some guilt because if Ron Paul is right that means that Israel is doing wrong. It's easier to disconnect yourself from reality and just call someone a terrorist then to look at the motives that we bombed there country 2 weeks ago due to Obama's wreckless policies. He could never admit that so he channeled that anger on Paul calling him anti-semetic.

Zionists could never believe in blowback theory then they'd have to accept personal responsibility.

Matt Collins
12-28-2009, 11:48 PM
I didn't realize Stein was such a douche.
I didn't either until
he said we needed the bailouts!

YouTube - Neil Cavuto in screamathon with Ben Stein over our failed economy and how to repair it. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAEAMJ76KHk)





Looks like BS just invoked Godwin's Law!




"Ben, you're an embarassment." Wow, I don;t think I have ever seen Ron go after someeone like that - well at least since that fat kid back in the 70s. :D
YouTube - Ron Paul on Trash TV, 1988 - Pt. 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHB2I83_N_k)

coyote_sprit
12-28-2009, 11:49 PM
Looks like BS just invoked Godwin's Law!


Thanks, I was trying to remember the name of that for like 10 minutes.

Matt Collins
12-29-2009, 12:09 AM
Best quote:

Ron Paul says to Ben Stein on Larry King Live: "Ben, you are an embarrassment! You should apologize"

devil21
12-29-2009, 12:15 AM
Anybody else see the irony in Ben Stein, a jew, suggesting handing security infrastructure over to IBM?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

sratiug
12-29-2009, 12:17 AM
Zionists are our political enemies. They are racists.

Captain Bryan
12-29-2009, 12:19 AM
Ben Stein is a fool.

LibertyWorker
12-29-2009, 12:22 AM
Anybody else see the irony in Ben Stein, a jew, suggesting handing security infrastructure over to IBM?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

Next he will tell us its good to take showers in zyklon B.

jrice
12-29-2009, 01:02 AM
http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=238859634632

New Facebook Group:
Name:Win Ben Stein's Apology
On December 28, 2009, on a panel on Larry King Live, Ben Stein called Ron Paul an anti- semite for having a strict non interventionist foreign policy. This group is dedicated to demanding an apology from Mr. Stein on what Dr. Paul called a "vicious attack."Privacy Type:
Open: All content is public.

Magicman
12-29-2009, 01:06 AM
http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=238859634632

new facebook group:
Name:win ben stein's apology
on december 28, 2009, on a panel on larry king live, ben stein called ron paul an anti- semite for having a strict non interventionist foreign policy. This group is dedicated to demanding an apology from mr. Stein on what dr. Paul called a "vicious attack."privacy type:
Open: All content is public.

lol

Derek Johnson
12-29-2009, 01:15 AM
YouTube - Michael Medved Uses Holocaust Museum Murder to Smear Ron Paul !! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4IBOd8iueU)

Yeah, well, Ron Paul also has followers that sometimes commit holocaust museum murders...according to Michael Medved.

Matt Collins
12-29-2009, 01:32 AM
http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=238859634632 (http://www.facebook.com/#/group.php?gid=238859634632)

New Facebook Group:
Name:Win Ben Stein's Apology
On December 28, 2009, on a panel on Larry King Live, Ben Stein called Ron Paul an anti- semite for having a strict non interventionist foreign policy. This group is dedicated to demanding an apology from Mr. Stein on what Dr. Paul called a "vicious attack."Privacy Type:
Open: All content is public.
I just invited a bunch of people to that.

Matt Collins
12-29-2009, 01:36 AM
According to Richard Burke here is Ben's contact info:


Ben’s personal speaking agent is Marcia Hurwitz. Call her at 310-656-5171, or email her at MARCIA@IALA.COM

Matt Collins
12-29-2009, 01:42 AM
The e-mail I sent to his alleged manager:


Hello-

If you are indeed Mr. Ben Stein's agent, please pass along the message that I am no longer a fan or a follower of Ben. I enjoyed his acting and his shows and his financial advice, however his absurd positions are no longer tolerable (or even distinguishable from liberal Democrats for that matter). He has stated that we need the bailouts, and he called Congressman Ron Paul a racist on live TV last night. Ben is not a Republican and should not attempt to further associate himself with conservatism or the Republican Party because the ideas he peddles are exactly opposite.

Thank you for your time.

-Matt Collins
Nashville, TN

revolutionisnow
12-29-2009, 01:58 AM
The antisemitic claim is such nonsense, you have zionists (mostly of russian/european descent) that are invading, stealing from, and oppressing semitic people based on a racist religious extremist ideology, and we are all supposed to look the other way and not say anything about it, and if you do say anything about it, you're the anti-semite. Not the people bulldozing houses and bombing civilians, but you, the one complaining about it. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery.

I think Rudy's reading list needs to be dragged out again and renamed
http://www.amazon.com/Educating-Rudy-The-Ron-Paul-reading-list/lm/RJML1CA9L0NCZ/

haaaylee
12-29-2009, 01:58 AM
Hello-

If you are indeed Mr. Ben Stein's agent, please pass along the message that I am no longer a fan or a follower of Ben. I enjoyed his acting and his shows and his financial advice, however his absurd positions are no longer tolerable (or even distinguishable from liberal Democrats for that matter). He has stated that we need the bailouts, and he called Congressman Ron Paul a racist on live TV last night. Ben is not a Republican and should not attempt to further associate himself with conservatism or the Republican Party because the ideas he peddles are exactly opposite.

Thank you for your time.

-Matt Collins
Nashville, TN


You enjoyed his financial advice?

devil21
12-29-2009, 02:04 AM
Here's his website:

http://www.benstein.com/stein2.html

While he is deserving of heaps of scorn, please keep any communications on topic. No sense in flying off the handle and giving the guy ammo. I suggest explaining how Stein is wrong, that he needs to issue a public apology to Ron Paul, and that you will no longer support any project past, present or future that Stein is involved with if the apology is not issued.

marcia@iala.com
benstein99@aol.com
buellermail@aol.com

tremendoustie
12-29-2009, 02:19 AM
Perhaps Stein thought Paul was referring to the existance of Israel as an "occupation", rather than the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, and other interventions and bombings over the years, including the installation of the Shah in Iran, and bases throughout the mideast.

devil21
12-29-2009, 02:20 AM
Perhaps Stein thought Paul was referring to the existance of Israel as an "occupation", rather than the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, and other interventions and bombings over the years, including the installation of the Shah in Iran, and bases throughout the mideast.

Then that makes him an even bigger idiot since no one mentioned Israel in the interview EVER and RP is a US Congressman representing Texas, not Tel Aviv.

tremendoustie
12-29-2009, 02:22 AM
Then that makes him an even bigger idiot since no one mentioned Israel in the interview EVER and RP is a US Congressman representing Texas, not Tel Aviv.

True, I'm just wondering how he jumped to "antisemitism"

cindy25
12-29-2009, 02:23 AM
comes as no surprise.
if you don't follow the AIPAC line you are an anti-semite, and Ron voted against the Iran war sanctions.

denison
12-29-2009, 02:52 AM
The antisemitic claim is such nonsense, you have zionists (mostly of russian/european descent) that are invading, stealing from, and oppressing semitic people based on a racist religious extremist ideology, and we are all supposed to look the other way and not say anything about it, and if you do say anything about it, you're the anti-semite. Not the people bulldozing houses and bombing civilians, but you, the one complaining about it. War is Peace. Freedom is Slavery.

I think Rudy's reading list needs to be dragged out again and renamed
http://www.amazon.com/Educating-Rudy-The-Ron-Paul-reading-list/lm/RJML1CA9L0NCZ/

Truth.

This was just another exibit of Typical Zionist Behavior.

fj45lvr
12-29-2009, 02:54 AM
Zionists could never believe in blowback theory then they'd have to accept personal responsibility.


WRONG....

zionist's COUNT ON/RELY ON blowback to achieve their true aims (as did the early settlers in North America while trying to steal the Native populations land and resources)....you press long enough until they respond back in violence and then you use and distort that action via media as an excuse to steal from, murder and destroy them (get what you really want).


Chief Joseph chronicles this in His attempts to save the Wallowa valley area from white settlers, though the whites stole their cattle, treated them as second class, and even murdered them, he was adamant that they should not respond in similar fashion because he knew it would be used as the excuse to wipe them off their own land (which is what eventually happened when younger tribe members took revenge on whites for wrongdoing that their families had recieved).

sharpsteve2003
12-29-2009, 04:12 AM
Here's his website:

http://www.benstein.com/stein2.html

While he is deserving of heaps of scorn, please keep any communications on topic. No sense in flying off the handle and giving the guy ammo. I suggest explaining how Stein is wrong, that he needs to issue a public apology to Ron Paul, and that you will no longer support any project past, present or future that Stein is involved with if the apology is not issued.

marcia@iala.com
benstein99@aol.com
buellermail@aol.com

thanks

talkingpointes
12-29-2009, 04:39 AM
Maybe adding this tidbit with a dash of opinion to his wikipidia profile could work in favor of our efforts. He has proved twice now to be intolerant to wisdom and repelled by difference in opinions.

YumYum
12-29-2009, 05:51 AM
That hateful comment by Stein was premeditated. Do you all know why?

constituent
12-29-2009, 06:23 AM
That hateful comment by Stein was premeditated. Do you all know why?

I can't speak for everyone, but considering you're my only "inside connection" to all things jewish.... no, not yet.

rpfan2008
12-29-2009, 06:40 AM
That hateful comment by Stein was premeditated. Do you all know why?

This argument is often used in absence of a valid defense and safely disengage themselves from the debate. Ben Stein just exposed that there is a major Jewish interest behind War on terror.

"Antisemitic !!!" means "No I'm not listening anymore...viewers you too close your ears"

Now tell us why it looked premeditated.

YumYum
12-29-2009, 06:48 AM
I can't speak for everyone, but considering you're my only "inside connection" to all things jewish.... no, not yet.

Ron Paul supporters are a threat to the Republican Party. We can fragment the Republican Party, and the neo-cons are desperate to stop Ron Paul. All Ron Paul discussion boards are being watched closely. Ben Stein said what he did to evoke emotional respones from Dr. Paul's supporters, comments that can be called anti-semitic, and then can be used against C4L. That is the only card the enemies of Ron Paul supporters can play, and that's the accusation that all of Ron Paul supporters are anti-semitic. Don't take the bait.

constituent
12-29-2009, 06:51 AM
Ron Paul supporters are a threat to the Republican Party. We can fragment the Republican Party, and the neo-cons are desperate to stop Ron Paul. All Ron Paul discussion boards are being watched closely. Ben Stein said what he did to evoke emotional respones from Dr. Paul's supporters, comments that can be called anti-semitic, and then can be used against C4L. That is the only card the enemies of Ron Paul supporters can play, and that's the accusation that all of Ron Paul supporters are anti-semitic. Don't take the bait.

Huh, guess I did know that. Thanks though, and I pretty much agree with your assessment.

bobbyw24
12-29-2009, 07:02 AM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=224352

fj45lvr
12-29-2009, 07:04 AM
Ron Paul supporters are a threat to the Republican Party. We can fragment the Republican Party, and the neo-cons are desperate to stop Ron Paul. All Ron Paul discussion boards are being watched closely. Ben Stein said what he did to evoke emotional respones from Dr. Paul's supporters, comments that can be called anti-semitic, and then can be used against C4L. That is the only card the enemies of Ron Paul supporters can play, and that's the accusation that all of Ron Paul supporters are anti-semitic. Don't take the bait.

I am somewhat skeptical that "we" are going to fragment the GOP...I think the GOP has fragmented itself by being frauds and nominating limp d*cks like McCain and the recent Bushies.

I'd say the AIPAC crowd (neo cons) are desperate to stop Ron's ideas because they exist fully to prop up Israel above all else (requiring heavy foreign intervention against all the wisdom that George Washington's farewell address explains as the EVILS of doing so).

But more important than Israel first policy as the opposition is Ron's successful attacks on the Banking Cartel and Statist's unholy union and monetary policy.....

fj45lvr
12-29-2009, 07:11 AM
[/URL][URL]http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=224352 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=224352)


well there are many fellow jews that are critical of Israeli government policies and officials. Even Albert Einstein spoke out with wisdom and foreknowledge of what has happened by the political zionist war against the Palestinian people.

One thing is for certain, Israel has cost the U.S. a huge amount of money and now some blood not only by defaulting on their loans but by sucking us into their ridiculous battle to conquer Palestine and to surpress the arab world from being able to be their military equals.

rpfan2008
12-29-2009, 07:12 AM
well there are many fellow jews that are critical of Israeli government policies and officials. Even Albert Einstein spoke out with wisdom and foreknowledge of what has happened by the political zionist war against the Palestinian people.


Wasn't Einstein a brand ambassador for Zionism??

fj45lvr
12-29-2009, 07:20 AM
Wasn't Einstein a brand ambassador for Zionism??

No....he was against the political zionist's and mistreatment of the palestinians...he turned down wisely being involved in the government. (according to some historians)

there are more zionisms than political.

sofia
12-29-2009, 07:23 AM
Einstein was more of an international Marxist than he was a Zionist.

He advocated the mass killing of German women and children by using A bombs. His theory of relativity was plagiarized from an Italian scientists....and it really has never been proven either.

The fact that TIME mag named him man of the century is the most telling indictment of the Einstein myth. Next to the Nobel Fraud, TIME Man of Year is the biggest fraud award there is.

constituent
12-29-2009, 07:26 AM
His theory of relativity was plagiarized from an Italian scientists.

I'd be interested in a link on that, if you've got it

rpfan2008
12-29-2009, 07:30 AM
Ron Paul supporters are a threat to the Republican Party. We can fragment the Republican Party, and the neo-cons are desperate to stop Ron Paul. All Ron Paul discussion boards are being watched closely. Ben Stein said what he did to evoke emotional respones from Dr. Paul's supporters, comments that can be called anti-semitic, and then can be used against C4L. That is the only card the enemies of Ron Paul supporters can play, and that's the accusation that all of Ron Paul supporters are anti-semitic. Don't take the bait.

LOL

Always don't think in terms of what you are afraid of but also consider what they are afraid of. They can't play this card any louder than that. The media has overplayed the race card so much that there is hardly any credit left.

Palin/McCain supporters are portrayed as far more racist than RP's. Since Obama has proven that he was not what the media portrayed him as why they would believe Sarah Palin's or McCain's image of racists? There is a realization that media lies a lot about politicians than people could ever imagine and race card is often used for political gains, even at highest levels.

With the Obamacare debacle and media backtracking it is also apparent that they understand it's overused. Don't expect them to be that foolish. And using the antisemitic card also attracts scrutiny into RP's previous antisemitic acts like ..... HR 1207 being the last ;) . People would immediately understand what antisemitic means in realpolitik. It can't hurt them any worse if they do.

LibertyEagle
12-29-2009, 07:32 AM
And using the antisemitic card also attracts scrutiny into RP's previous antisemitic acts like HR 1207 being the last.

WHAT? HR1207 was NOT anti-semitic!!!

rpfan2008
12-29-2009, 07:34 AM
WHAT? HR1207 was NOT anti-semitic!!!

LOL isn't it antisemitic in effect. The "antisemitism" they mean. ;)

Romulus
12-29-2009, 07:34 AM
Ron Paul supporters are a threat to the Republican Party. We can fragment the Republican Party, and the neo-cons are desperate to stop Ron Paul. All Ron Paul discussion boards are being watched closely. Ben Stein said what he did to evoke emotional respones from Dr. Paul's supporters, comments that can be called anti-semitic, and then can be used against C4L. That is the only card the enemies of Ron Paul supporters can play, and that's the accusation that all of Ron Paul supporters are anti-semitic. Don't take the bait.

So you're saying that he's trying to envoke 'blowback' so they can justify their claims of calling RP (and his supporters) antisemites? There might be some truth to that, but I say we should make a big deal about this because IMO no one here is racist. We are anti-zionist and that needs to be made loud and clear.

The more they attack us the stronger we get.

rpfan2008
12-29-2009, 07:41 AM
We are anti-zionist and that needs to be made loud and clear.

What??

RP supporters are anti-zionist? Some are but that's not the norm.

They are against Zionism using American Blood and Money for it's own cause. If Zionist can do what they can with their own capability there is no reason to be anti-zionist. I'm anti-zionist personally and always meet zionists in these forums...but majority 99% are inert towards zionism.

YumYum
12-29-2009, 07:44 AM
LOL

Always don't think in terms of what you are afraid of but also consider what they are afraid of. They can't play this card any louder than that. The media has overplayed the race card so much that there is hardly any credit left.

Palin/McCain supporters are portrayed as far more racist than RP's. Since Obama has proven that he was not what the media portrayed him as why they would believe Sarah Palin's or McCain's image of racists? There is a realization that media lies a lot about politicians than people could ever imagine and race card is often used for political gains, even at highest levels.

With the Obamacare debacle and media backtracking it is also apparent that they understand it's overused. Don't expect them to be that foolish. And using the antisemitic card also attracts scrutiny into RP's previous antisemitic acts like ..... HR 1207 being the last ;) . People would immediately understand what antisemitic means in realpolitik. It can't hurt them any worse if they do.

You and I know that, but the general public doesn't. I felt anger when Stein said what he did to Dr. Paul, and yet it occured to me why he was doing it. It shows desperation on the part of the neo-cons, which is good. The best thing we can do is go after Ben Stein and go after the Republican Party. We need more Jews to join C4L. This could turn out to be a win,win,win for us if we handle it right.

tonesforjonesbones
12-29-2009, 07:52 AM
well unfortunately the jews in the movement also scream anti semetism..like what the Free State Project did to Pokerface, if anybody remembers that. I pretty much consider jews that are in the conservative movement to be neo cons..and they are Israel Firsters, they support the republican party because the GOP is ok with bombing the muslims or anyone who is a perceived threat to Israel. They don't mind sending our Christian brothers and sisters off to war ..and spending our money to protect Israel. I don't recall meeting many jews, if even ONE, when I was in the Army. They don't march off to fight and if they do, they join the Israeli military. Ben Stein has always been a neo con and I really started disliking him when he berated Peter Schiff, who was right all the time. TOnes

Steve Gresh At 6:45:

Ron Paul: "They're terrorists because we're occupiers."
Ben Stein: "No, we're not occupiers. That's the same anti-Semitic argument we've heard over and over again."

"It's a trick. We always use it." (calling people "anti-Semitic") - Former Israeli Minister, Shulamit Alonihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_c...A
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HOLLYWOOD
12-29-2009, 07:55 AM
To back up Ron Paul's statement with FACTS "The Delta Airlines Terrorist stated to the FBI/DHS officials the reason why he did this was in retaliation to US planes bombing YEMEN.

We covered this a couple of weeks ago: US fighter planes kill 120+ in Yemen (ALLEGEDLY)
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=223065&highlight=YEMEN

BLOWBACK BABY... prefect example!


Here's a good article: http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020206

It's a scrimmage game for the USAF... This is the R&D final cycle for the F22 testing and mission effectiveness. Screw anyone who dies... Love, DOD

US fighters pound Sa'ada, kill 120
Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:46:08 GMT
http://www.presstv.ir/photo/20091216/pirhayati20091216060200906.jpg
At least 120 Houthis have lost lives and 44 others sustained injuries as US fighter jets took part in air strikes in the northwestern Yemeni province of Sa'ada.

"The US air force perpetrated an appalling massacre against citizens in the north of Yemen as it launched air raids on various populated areas, markets, refugee camps and villages along with Saudi warplanes," the northern Yemen-based Houthi Shia fighters said.

They added, "The savage crime committed by the US air force shows the real face of the United States. It cancels out much touted American claims of human rights protection, promotion of freedoms of citizens as well as democracy."

The US military continues its air raids on Yemen's northern beleaguered regions of Amran, Hajjah and Sa'ada which have already been the target of joint Saudi-Yemen offensive against the Houthi fighters.

The conflict in northern Yemen began in 2004 between Sana'a and Houthi fighters. The conflict intensified in August 2009 when the Yemeni army launched Operation Scorched Earth in an attempt to crush the fighters in the northern province of Sa'ada.

The Houthis accuse the Yemeni government of violation of their civil rights, political, economic and religious marginalization as well as large-scale corruption.

The Saudi air force has further complicated the conflict by launching its own operations against Shia resistance fighters.

Houthi fighters say that Riyadh pounds their positions and that Saudi forces strike Yemeni villages and indiscriminately target civilians. According to the fighters, Saudis use toxic materials, including white phosphorous bombs, against civilians in northern Yemen.

The UN High Commissioner for Refugees estimates that since 2004, up to 175,000 people have been forced to leave their homes in Sa'ada and take refuge at overcrowded camps set up by the United Nations.

rpfan2008
12-29-2009, 07:57 AM
You and I know that, but the general public doesn't.

Do you know what the general people know?

They only know what they see through their 2-bit B/W goggles...A black man came to power which some people tried to resist, those people were demonized as racists and the black man ruined the country.

PS: By "general people" I hope you mean those who are most detached from the reality.

Romulus
12-29-2009, 08:00 AM
YouTube - "It's a Trick, We Always Use It." (calling people "anti-Semitic") (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_cA)

fj45lvr
12-29-2009, 08:03 AM
Ron Paul: "They're terrorists because we're occupiers."
Ben Stein: "No, we're not occupiers. That's the same anti-Semitic argument we've heard over and over again."



Does anyone get the impression that Stein misunderstood Paul's remark to being about Palestine rather than U.S. military in other arab states?? Maybe Stein was caught up mentally to what he thinks about and the U.S. and Israel are like "one" to him (which is the case with many christian and jewish zionists out there).

pacelli
12-29-2009, 08:05 AM
Ben was way out of line. He obviously didn't listen to what Ron said, because his summary statement was completely inaccurate.

And Larry King, what the fuck was he doing?! Laughing the whole time!???

cindy25
12-29-2009, 08:09 AM
has Peter Schiff issued a statement on this?

if not, why not?

No1ButPaul08
12-29-2009, 08:11 AM
has Peter Schiff issued a statement on this?

if not, why not?

has Rand Paul issued a statement on this?

if not, why not?

has Adam Kokesh issued a statement on this?

if not, why not?

Why would they?

fj45lvr
12-29-2009, 08:13 AM
has Rand Paul issued a statement on this?



has Adam Kokesh issued a statement on this?



Why would they?

What is: they want to touch the "third rail" of politics??

james1906
12-29-2009, 08:16 AM
+1 to Sheila Jackson Lee for not taking a phone call during the segment.

Romulus
12-29-2009, 08:22 AM
+1 to Sheila Jackson Lee for not taking a phone call during the segment.

lol. -1 for referring to our Country as the Home-Land on 8 different occasions.

Romulus
12-29-2009, 08:25 AM
has Peter Schiff issued a statement on this?

if not, why not?

Why, because he's Jewish? This aint about JEWS. Its about our FOREIGN POLICY.

THEY (neo-cons, zionists, racsits) want to make it about JEWS to DERAIL the fundamental problem they want to try and hide, which is our FOREIGN POLICY.

CharlesTX
12-29-2009, 08:25 AM
+1 to Sheila Jackson Lee for not taking a phone call during the segment.

LOL! Yes. She did do that at a town hall meeting.

fj45lvr
12-29-2009, 08:28 AM
lol. -1 for referring to our Country as the Home-Land on 8 different occasions.


ha ha

I was thinking the same thing...she sounded like she was playing the part of some German ambassador in a WWII movie (albeit not saying "fatherland")

here's to hoping 50 states makes a comeback over a unitary homeland

pacelli
12-29-2009, 08:29 AM
has Peter Schiff issued a statement on this?

if not, why not?

I watched the whole interview, twice. Peter Schiff's name didn't come up once.

Romulus
12-29-2009, 08:31 AM
ha ha

I was thinking the same thing...she sounded like she was playing the part of some German ambassador in a WWII movie (albeit not saying "fatherland")

here's to hoping 50 states makes a comeback over a unitary homeland

and -10 for using the term 'Stovepiping' 2 times.

Disgusting.

catdd
12-29-2009, 08:44 AM
Well Jackson and Stein were both taking the opportunity to lobby more support for their respective agendas.
Jackson wants more money for HS to treat symptoms rather than curing the disease and Stein wants more support for Israel....and they are both connected in what we call the "status quo".
If it takes put downs, name calling and slandering in front of millions of viewers to help achieve those results then that will surely be the case.

Bruehound
12-29-2009, 09:17 AM
If it takes put downs, name calling and slandering in front of millions of viewers to help achieve those results then that will surely be the case.


LOL-- The next time Larry King has millions of viewers will be the first time !

parocks
12-29-2009, 09:21 AM
Pokerface!!! New album available now or really soon.

http://pokerface.com


well unfortunately the jews in the movement also scream anti semetism..like what the Free State Project did to Pokerface, if anybody remembers that. I pretty much consider jews that are in the conservative movement to be neo cons..and they are Israel Firsters, they support the republican party because the GOP is ok with bombing the muslims or anyone who is a perceived threat to Israel. They don't mind sending our Christian brothers and sisters off to war ..and spending our money to protect Israel. I don't recall meeting many jews, if even ONE, when I was in the Army. They don't march off to fight and if they do, they join the Israeli military. Ben Stein has always been a neo con and I really started disliking him when he berated Peter Schiff, who was right all the time. TOnes

Steve Gresh At 6:45:

Ron Paul: "They're terrorists because we're occupiers."
Ben Stein: "No, we're not occupiers. That's the same anti-Semitic argument we've heard over and over again."

"It's a trick. We always use it." (calling people "anti-Semitic") - Former Israeli Minister, Shulamit Alonihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUGVPBO9_c...A
See More

FrankRep
12-29-2009, 09:23 AM
Ben’s personal speaking agent is Marcia Hurwitz.
Call her at 310-656-5171, or email her at MARCIA@IALA.COM

Facebook Group: Win Ben Stein's Apology
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=238859634632

Todd
12-29-2009, 09:31 AM
YouTube - Opie & Anthony: Ben Stein Hangs Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP0_wqgWilE)

Ben's an idiot, but so are Opie & Anthony. I'd hang up on two racists too.

Flash
12-29-2009, 09:35 AM
Ben's an idiot, but so are Opie & Anthony. I'd hang up on two racists too.

For a commercial they said 'chewed down' and when Ben Stein was accusing them they thought he was joking around.

Todd
12-29-2009, 09:46 AM
For a commercial they said 'chewed down' and when Ben Stein was accusing them they thought he was joking around.

Please.......We all know what they meant.
It's the equivelant of South Parks "Nagger" Wheel of Fortune episode.

Problem is that Ben's comments to Ron evoke the same racist overtone. It figures.

cheapseats
12-29-2009, 09:47 AM
YIt shows desperation on the part of the neo-cons, which is good.


Hardright Neoconservatives are desperate? Good one.

They have most of the money, for starters. They have the Offices, the System, the Courts, the Military, the Mainstream Media, the Banks, the Law Enforcement, the Energy and the Telecommunications.

The Anti-Semitic card is STRATEGERY, not desperation.

Flash
12-29-2009, 09:49 AM
Hardright Neoconservatives are desperate? Good one.

They have most of the money, for starters. They have the Offices, the System, the Courts, the Military, the Mainstream Media, the Banks, the Law Enforcement, the Energy and the Telecommunications.

The Anti-Semitic card is STRATEGERY, not desperation.

Due to the tea party movement and the rise of old time Conservatism they are getting paranoid.

Romulus
12-29-2009, 09:56 AM
Hardright Neoconservatives are desperate? Good one.

They have most of the money, for starters. They have the Offices, the System, the Courts, the Military, the Mainstream Media, the Banks, the Law Enforcement, the Energy and the Telecommunications.

The Anti-Semitic card is STRATEGERY, not desperation.

BOTH counts are true. It is a desperate strategy that fears a turning of the tides.

cheapseats
12-29-2009, 09:56 AM
Due to the tea party movement and the rise of old time Conservatism they are getting paranoid.

They have ALWAYS been paranoid. Paranoia and Greed are driving forces. Fear of losing Money = Power is paramount.

Money to get power, power to protect money.

I said it months ago and I maintain, the Race Card was warm up for the Anti-Semite card. Previous play of the Race Card will TURBO CHARGE, not nullify, the Anti-Semite card. My opinion, obviously.

fj45lvr
12-29-2009, 10:39 AM
Hardright Neoconservatives are desperate? Good one.

They have most of the money, for starters. They have the Offices, the System, the Courts, the Military, the Mainstream Media, the Banks, the Law Enforcement, the Energy and the Telecommunications.

The Anti-Semitic card is STRATEGERY, not desperation.

so true...

I can hear it now, next up they are going to say that Ron's fight against the Federal Reserve is merely an extension of some sort of a racist fantasy against phantom jewish bankers

rpfan2008
12-29-2009, 11:02 AM
so true...

I can hear it now, next up they are going to say that Ron's fight against the Federal Reserve is merely an extension of some sort of a racist fantasy against phantom jewish bankers

Do you know what will happen to those millions of people whom Alex Jones and others are courting away from the "Jewish bankers" angle?

Although nothing can be said for sure, their plans are very much unpredictable, even to themselves.

ItsTime
12-29-2009, 11:05 AM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=224596

cindy25
12-29-2009, 11:07 AM
Ron was accused of being anti-Jewish. his Jewish friends have a responsibility to defend him on this. Eric Cantor, as the only Jewish Republican in the house, a;so should issue a statement

Dojo
12-29-2009, 11:08 AM
I went to DIGG all the stories on this, my digg disappeared quick, there is an army out there trying to bury this story.............

ItsTime
12-29-2009, 11:10 AM
I went to DIGG all the stories on this, my digg disappeared quick, there is an army out there trying to bury this story.............

so reddit ;)

LibertyEagle
12-29-2009, 11:12 AM
It's ridiculous, is what it is.

Ludwig von Mises was Jewish.

ItsTime
12-29-2009, 11:13 AM
It's ridiculous, is what it is.

Ludwig von Mises was Jewish.

Clearly you are anti-Semite because you know Mises was a Jew. ;)

Romulus
12-29-2009, 11:19 AM
I went to DIGG all the stories on this, my digg disappeared quick, there is an army out there trying to bury this story.............

Time to double the efforts then!

rpfan2008
12-29-2009, 11:20 AM
YouTube - "Operation in Afghanistan is rooted in Israel" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ddgm0ScSnx4)

or Why RP is antisemitic.

1000-points-of-fright
12-29-2009, 11:21 AM
YouTube - SHUT UP SIT DOWN AND LISTEN: Glenn Beck invoke Ben Stein on Israelis protest Obama settlement freeze (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrpIkmubZgs)

roughly....2:15 - 2:30. Ben Stein = Israel can do no wrong.

AmericaFyeah92
12-29-2009, 11:26 AM
It was heinous of Larry not to allow RP time to respond

dannno
12-29-2009, 11:49 AM
YouTube - Opie & Anthony: Ben Stein Hangs Up (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP0_wqgWilE)

That....was friggin entertainment right there...:D

fatjohn
12-29-2009, 11:59 AM
LOL-- The next time Larry King has millions of viewers will be the first time !

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/original/q107vs06.pdf
On average 1.1 mil in 07.

Btw anyone posted this?
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/2651-ben-stein-says-ron-paul-uses-anti-semitic-arguments
Sounds like a paulite to me, also mentioning schiff

JK/SEA
12-29-2009, 12:42 PM
Is Larry King really going to have these 3 back tonight? should Ron do this?

George_Redner
12-29-2009, 02:32 PM
Tones Bones mentioned Poker Face
They are having a CD Release party next month in their home town of Allentown.
They are releasing their 5th disc called
PEACE OR WAR - Songs for the Revolution

This America first band has the balls to call out ALL of Americas criminals
especially the chosen pets of the Global plantation.
From their front page
http://www.pokerface.com

PEACE OR WAR CD RELEASE PARTY

Saturday 1/9/2010 9:00 PM at LUPOS Beef & Ale in Allentown, PA
2149 Reading Rd.,, Allentown, Pennsylvania 18104
Cost:5$ Description:Poker Faces CD Release Party for their new disc 5
PEACE OR WAR - Songs for the Revolution

5 bands for 5 dollars
900pm 18th Hour Acoustic - Lehigh Valley Band
930pm AMEROS - band from Albany NY PROTEST BAND
10pm POKER FACE - The longest writing and best PROTEST BAND
1145pm Dave Cahill & The Almighty Terribles from NJ - PROTEST BAND
1215pm HATE TANK (members of Blue Sees Red and Cheese Melt) - New PROTEST BAND
times scheduled to change as the evening gets going.
Come hear the best in PROTEST Music in the valley and country.
Poker Face releases their EPIC 5th disc after a 6 year wait.

Come read some of the reviews; POW Reviews
http://pokerface.org/fx/viewtopic.php?t=5892

or read our lyrics; Poker Face Lyrics
http://pokerface.org/fx/viewtopic.php?t=5866

or check out a couple of the new tunes for free here;
PEACE OR WAR PAGE
http://www.pokerface.com/Peace_War.html

lastly an Allentown Morning Call TRIBUNE PAPER review:
http://blogs.mcall.com/lehighvalleymusic/2009/11/local-soundtrack-peace-or-war-by-pokerface-a-political-statement-in-hard-rock-.html

We look forward to catching up with a lot of long time old time friends.
Come celebrate with us...

BRAND SPANKING NEW VIDEO 12-8-9
Poker Face receiving their 20 years of making music in the Lehigh Valley award
@ the Lehigh Valley Music Awards year 11
20yrAward VIDEO
http://www.pokerface.com/dl/PF20yearAward@LVMAs11.wmv

George_Redner
12-29-2009, 02:37 PM
Now this is what i am talking about.. Pro Gun Pro Freedom - Poker Face

Knob Creek MachineGun Shoot / POKERFACE 10-09-09
YouTube - Knob Creek MachineGun Shoot / POKERFACE 10-09-09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMJSZ7_rBoU)

MelissaWV
12-29-2009, 02:42 PM
You know, on further thought, at least the headlines don't say "Anti-Semite Ron Paul Calls Ben Stein 'Embarrassment'"

lester1/2jr
12-29-2009, 02:44 PM
melissa- true we've come a long way, a few years ago it probably would have said that

fj45lvr
12-29-2009, 02:59 PM
That....was friggin entertainment right there...:D

I thought it was low class and juvenile. Definite set-up. No one uses the term "chew down" when referring to pricing.

Srg1
12-29-2009, 03:05 PM
Ben stein is obviously a zionist.I have known this for years

sharpsteve2003
12-29-2009, 04:50 PM
I think Ben Stein is experiencing a little blow back himself today.

raiha
12-29-2009, 04:54 PM
Anybody else see the irony in Ben Stein, a jew, suggesting handing security infrastructure over to IBM?
I nearly blew coffee all over my key-board!


Originally Posted by YumYum
Ron Paul supporters are a threat to the Republican Party. We can fragment the Republican Party, and the neo-cons are desperate to stop Ron Paul. All Ron Paul discussion boards are being watched closely. Ben Stein said what he did to evoke emotional respones from Dr. Paul's supporters, comments that can be called anti-semitic, and then can be used against C4L. That is the only card the enemies of Ron Paul supporters can play, and that's the accusation that all of Ron Paul supporters are anti-semitic. Don't take the bait.

That means he's a schlump!

cheapseats
12-29-2009, 05:19 PM
has Rand Paul issued a statement on this?

if not, why not?

has Adam Kokesh issued a statement on this?

if not, why not?

Why would they?


To come to an honorable man's defense?

cheapseats
12-29-2009, 05:26 PM
BOTH counts are true. It is a desperate strategy that fears a turning of the tides.

Do YOU sense a turning of the tides?

I sense that the infamous System is garishly rigged, that political corruption and commercial chicanery are rampant, that war is escalating, and that a greater number of my countrymen are hovering on a precipice. A single missed paycheck would put many into arrears, and some over the edge.

The International Elite, however -- which DOES feature a disproportionate number of Jews -- is ENTIRELY above the fray. What do they care if all asset classes tumble fifty percent? They had FAR more money than even an insane man with a colossal posse could spend in several lifetimes. Relative wealth/power remains the same. Positions of Power are STILL held by the Nincompoops and N'er-Do-Wells who brought us the euphemistically entitled Great Recession.

cheapseats
12-29-2009, 05:32 PM
I watched the whole interview, twice. Peter Schiff's name didn't come up once.

Lemme put it this way. Jews who are ostensibly friends of Ron Paul and who does NOT speak up on Ron Paul's behalf against charges of Anti-Semitism are, in my view, either fair-weather friends or not friends at all. Thirteen to the dozen.

pacelli
12-29-2009, 05:42 PM
Lemme put it this way. Jews who are ostensibly friends of Ron Paul and who does NOT speak up on Ron Paul's behalf against charges of Anti-Semitism are, in my view, either fair-weather friends or not friends at all. Thirteen to the dozen.

Thanks Lynn.

cheapseats
12-29-2009, 05:44 PM
Thanks Lynn.

Nice try.

I've already been through it with LibertyEagle as to my having only one member ID. I have always and only ever posted on this Board as cheapseats. Board before this one, too.

Feel free, though, to downplay the significance of one of the hottest cards in town -- one that can ABSOLUTELY be played to marginalize Ron Paul. Again.

Austrian Econ Disciple
12-29-2009, 05:48 PM
It's ridiculous, is what it is.

Ludwig von Mises was Jewish.

So was Rothbard.

purplechoe
12-29-2009, 05:52 PM
http://bigdogdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/anti-zionist-jews-in-london.jpg

LibForestPaul
12-29-2009, 05:59 PM
WRONG....

zionist's COUNT ON/RELY ON blowback to achieve their true aims (as did the early settlers in North America while trying to steal the Native populations land and resources)....you press long enough until they respond back in violence and then you use and distort that action via media as an excuse to steal from, murder and destroy them (get what you really want).


Chief Joseph chronicles this in His attempts to save the Wallowa valley area from white settlers, though the whites stole their cattle, treated them as second class, and even murdered them, he was adamant that they should not respond in similar fashion because he knew it would be used as the excuse to wipe them off their own land (which is what eventually happened when younger tribe members took revenge on whites for wrongdoing that their families had recieved).

Striking back soft, strike back hard enough, and people think twice. i.e. A punch to the mouth hurts, a punch to the mouth, a kick to the groin, and a few stops on the head, usually keeps the bitch down.

Dunedain
12-29-2009, 06:04 PM
Unfortunately, these are the Jews at the bottom of the barrel of their own social structure. No power, no influence. The crap rises to the top in Jewish society. The Rahm Immanuels, the Richard Perles, the Israel firsters.


http://bigdogdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/anti-zionist-jews-in-london.jpg

cheapseats
12-29-2009, 06:15 PM
The crap rises to the top in Jewish society.

That is hardly strictly a Jewish enigma.

Toureg89
12-29-2009, 06:21 PM
That is hardly strictly a Jewish enigma.

was thinking the same thing.

look at congress and key gov. positions in all the agencies that help to ruin those country.

mostly run by the Christian crap that rises to the top of the Christian community.

and then look at bin Laden and all the "religious" leaders and politicians that have negative effects on the arab community in the middle east, once again Muslim crap that rises to the top of the Muslim community.

but i guess because the Jewish community is so small, but they have so much power when compared to their size, it sort of distorts the lines between the "good" Jews and the "bad" Jewds.

maqsur
12-29-2009, 06:51 PM
I read that Ben Stein is a christian actually (a convert).. is there any truth to this

fj45lvr
12-29-2009, 08:23 PM
What do they care if all asset classes tumble fifty percent? They had FAR more money than even an insane man with a colossal posse could spend in several lifetimes. Relative wealth/power remains the same. Positions of Power are STILL held by the Nincompoops and N'er-Do-Wells who brought us the euphemistically entitled Great Recession.

Oh, make no mistake they care alright. They'll be swooping in to get hard assets for pennies on the dollar in the world's largest transfer of wealth ever.

BlackTerrel
12-29-2009, 08:35 PM
How the Hell is Ben Stein qualified to give political commentary? His claim to fame is saying Bueller 20 times about 80 years ago.

awake
12-29-2009, 08:41 PM
How the Hell is Ben Stein qualified to give political commentary? His claim to fame is saying Bueller 20 times about 80 years ago.

He is as qualified as any pundit or expert I have seen on the MSM comedy networks.

Shills are shills, they do not ask why.

FrankRep
12-29-2009, 08:42 PM
How the Hell is Ben Stein qualified to give political commentary? His claim to fame is saying Bueller 20 times about 80 years ago.

Benjamin Jeremy "Ben" Stein (born November 25, 1944) is an American actor, writer, and commentator on political and economic issues. He attained early success as a speechwriter for American presidents Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford. Later he entered the entertainment field and became an actor, comedian, and Emmy Award-winning game show host.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Stein

cheapseats
12-29-2009, 08:45 PM
Oh, make no mistake they care alright. They'll be swooping in to get hard assets for pennies on the dollar in the world's largest transfer of wealth ever.

Right-e-o.

When I say they are unconcerned about Actual Numbers so long as Relative Standing is unaffected, I do not for one second suggest that they are cavalier about DEAL MAKING. They are GREEDIER THAN EVER, in the manner of Addicts. Moreover, their psychosis is enhanced by Impending Mortality.

The Bottom Feeders are enjoying a feeding frenzy . . . the better for former homeowners to pay rent to their new Land Lords.

No two ways about it, this is Feudal Economics.

awake
12-29-2009, 08:47 PM
If people could some how look past the countless state obedience awards and alphabetical titles of the unchallengeable classes, then maybe we can hope to see the absolute stupidity that falls from most of their mouths.

Liberty Star
12-29-2009, 09:35 PM
We may have to put little more time in exposing parasite fringe of neocon freaks.

I'm reminded of this post:

BS is a parasite going by all symptoms visible.

But it's hard to get too mad at this idiot though, not sure how abused/damaged he is as a person. If I knew he was not abused and had normal upbringing, I'd be tempted to call him worse names.

Pizzo
12-29-2009, 09:57 PM
I thought it was low class and juvenile. Definite set-up. No one uses the term "chew down" when referring to pricing.



Actually, that's a term I've heard all my life up to and including now in reference to try to bargain a price. Not sure if it is a New York thing or not, as I was a New Yorker up until 2 years ago. But I can assure you I never heard it used in reference to jews, non-jews or any religion for that matter. Nor will i stop using the phrase because bailout Ben Stein doesn't like it. Also i think the appearance was cancelled tonight if it hasnt been posted yet.

cheapseats
12-29-2009, 10:11 PM
If people could some how look past the countless state obedience awards and alphabetical titles of the unchallengeable classes, then maybe we can hope to see the absolute stupidity that falls from most of their mouths.


Most of them are not one of Them. I reckon that well north of 9% of the top 10% are as expendable as we are, just not as soon.

The tippy-top? Me, I not only think they know what they're doing, I think they're pullin' further ahead.

Reason
12-29-2009, 10:44 PM
here is ben's email address

let him know how you feel

buellermail@aol.com, benstein@AOL.COM (benstein@AOL.COM), BenStein99@aol.com (BenStein99@aol.com), MARCIA@IALA.COM (MARCIA@IALA.COM)

revolutionary8
12-29-2009, 10:50 PM
here is ben's email address

let him know how you feel

buellermail@aol.com

Please, FTLOG, Ron Paul Jews unite and send this idiot some Yiddish he won't ever forget!
I know that I sound completely ignorant of the Jewish race/relgion b/c I AM!
what you do w/ your religion is none of my bloody business, but now is the time to CHEW THE JEW!
:D
Pretty please?
:)
disclaimer: I didn't mean to be discriminatory, I don't care if you worship Tony the Tiger, send him a kind "note" if ya would. :D

revolutionisnow
12-29-2009, 11:04 PM
here is ben's email address

let him know how you feel

buellermail@aol.com, benstein@AOL.COM (benstein@AOL.COM), BenStein99@aol.com (BenStein99@aol.com), MARCIA@IALA.COM (MARCIA@IALA.COM)


LOL @ him using AOL

sharpsteve2003
12-30-2009, 01:47 AM
Seems like youtube is keeping this buried as much as they can. View count update is way behind.

sharpsteve2003
12-30-2009, 03:06 PM
Still no update on view count

Romulus
12-30-2009, 03:32 PM
^ that should tell us ALL something right there. Its not paranoia, its fact. TPTB are NOT for championing truth and liberty.

If we don't unite and send a message via uplifting Rand, Schiff, etc. NOTHING will change. sorry.. off topic.

Kbeaubs
12-30-2009, 03:41 PM
Out of curiosity, when you all have a disagreement with a friend on one point, do you also ostracize him for life?

You people have ridiculously thin skin. Ben Stein is more friendly to the Libertarian movement than most. He is a well educated thinker - a statement nowhere near the norm in politics, yet you choose to ostracize him for an argument he has with one of his friends.

If I were a politician, all I can think is that you all make it seriously simple to ignore you and write you off as pot smoking, angry, immature, nutcases.

As with most of my comments on this site lately, I will conclude by saying "Further evidence that the Libertarian movement is doomed for continued failure". What a shame.

Romulus
12-30-2009, 03:44 PM
Out of curiosity, when you all have a disagreement with a friend on one point, do you also ostracize him for life?

You people have ridiculously thin skin. Ben Stein is more friendly to the Libertarian movement than most. He is a well educated thinker - a statement nowhere near the norm in politics, yet you choose to ostracize him for an argument he has with one of his friends.

If I were a politician, all I can think is that you all make it seriously simple to ignore you and write you off as pot smoking, angry, immature, nutcases.

As with most of my comments on this site lately, I will conclude by saying "Further evidence that the Libertarian movement is doomed for continued failure". What a shame.

I dont think you really understand what liberty is about.

Ben is no friend to it. He's an admitted Israel firster, and leans very left by using an ad-hom race card attack, instead of explaining his position. He is no friend to Ron Paul or Liberty.

And you probably can relate, since you have no problem with ad-hom, stereotype smears yourself.

MelissaWV
12-30-2009, 03:47 PM
Out of curiosity, when you all have a disagreement with a friend on one point, do you also ostracize him for life?

You people have ridiculously thin skin. Ben Stein is more friendly to the Libertarian movement than most. He is a well educated thinker - a statement nowhere near the norm in politics, yet you choose to ostracize him for an argument he has with one of his friends.

If I were a politician, all I can think is that you all make it seriously simple to ignore you and write you off as pot smoking, angry, immature, nutcases.

As with most of my comments on this site lately, I will conclude by saying "Further evidence that the Libertarian movement is doomed for continued failure". What a shame.

:rolleyes:

Where did you get that Dr. Paul and Ben Stein were friends? I've never seen or heard him react to anyone that way, let alone a friend.

People on this site are Libertarian or not; some are anarchists, some are Independents, some are even Republicans or Democrats. There are a few who are other -ists and -crats of varied sorts.

When I have a disagreement, even with a friend, I make my point as clearly as I can. I don't name-call unless I have a very specific reason for that insult, which I also outline at the time. If that person retorts with a really weak apology, I certainly do question their motiviations, if not outright begin to doubt their sanity. I also am led to believe by such behavior that the person is not very secure in their position, if they need to resort to pre-emptive name-calling and then, after the fact, say that they were going to "clarify" but I got too wound up about the initial name-calling.

In other words, the whole situation stinks to high heaven, and it is not an "isolated" incident, in that Dr. Paul has been treated like dirt in the media in general for quite some time. Actually, I still find it a glimmer of hope that the headlines are not anti-Paul, and that the stories are mostly written fairly. That is way more than one could expect a year or two ago.

Now, I wonder what YOUR problem is, being relatively new to the site, and having condemned it already?

Kbeaubs
12-30-2009, 03:48 PM
How the Hell is Ben Stein qualified to give political commentary? His claim to fame is saying Bueller 20 times about 80 years ago.

If you think that Bueller is the extent of Ben Stein's qualification, you are sadly mistaken. Frankly, I'm a bit embarrassed for you asking such a ridiculous comment.


Ben Stein (Benjamin J. Stein) was born November 25, 1944 in Washington, D.C., (He is the son of the economist and writer Herbert Stein) grew up in Silver Spring, Maryland, and attended Montgomery Blair High School. He graduated from Columbia University in 1966 with honors in economics. He graduated from Yale Law School in 1970 as valedictorian of his class by election of his classmates. He also studied in the graduate school of economics at Yale. He has worked as an economist at The Department of Commerce, a poverty lawyer in New Haven and Washington, D.C., a trial lawyer in the field of trade regulation at the Federal Trade Commission in Washington, D.C., a university adjunct at American University in Washington, D.C., at the University of California at Santa Cruz, and at Pepperdine University in Malibu, CA. At American U. He taught about the political and social content of mass culture. He taught the same subject at UCSC, as well as about political and civil rights under the Constitution. At Pepperdine, he has taught about libel law and about securities law and ethical issues since 1986.

In 1973 and 1974, he was a speech writer and lawyer for Richard Nixon at The White House and then for Gerald Ford. (He did NOT write the line, "I am not a crook.") He has been a columnist and editorial writer for The Wall Street Journal, a syndicated columnist for The Los Angeles Herald Examiner (R.I.P.) and King Features Syndicate, and a frequent contributor to Barrons, where his articles about the ethics of management buyouts and issues of fraud in the Milken Drexel junk bond scheme drew major national attention.

FrankRep
12-30-2009, 03:49 PM
Where did you get that Dr. Paul and Ben Stein were friends? I've never seen or heard him react to anyone that way, let alone a friend.

Ben Stein: Ron Paul - That smart guy from Texas

YouTube - Ben Stein: Ron Paul - That smart guy from Texas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLnAgiXOLug)

MelissaWV
12-30-2009, 03:53 PM
Ben Stein: Ron Paul - That smart guy from Texas


So... everyone that has ever said something nice about Dr. Paul is his friend, even if they don't remember Dr. Paul's name? I don't get it.

That video, by the way, spends the majority of the clip pretty much showing that Ben Stein isn't very sure of what's going on or what he's talking about.

Romulus
12-30-2009, 03:55 PM
That video hardly a glaring endorsement... he barely knows his name.

Romulus
12-30-2009, 03:57 PM
If you think that Bueller is the extent of Ben Stein's qualification, you are sadly mistaken. Frankly, I'm a bit embarrassed for you asking such a ridiculous comment.

I'm embarrassed that you said ask a comment. But I digress. Ben is that you? lol

BlackTerrel
12-30-2009, 04:16 PM
If you think that Bueller is the extent of Ben Stein's qualification, you are sadly mistaken. Frankly, I'm a bit embarrassed for you asking such a ridiculous comment.

Sorry I am not an expert on the biography of Ben Stein. So be it - but I still submit that he is an idiot.

dannno
12-30-2009, 04:33 PM
Ben Stein: Ron Paul - That smart guy from Texas

YouTube - Ben Stein: Ron Paul - That smart guy from Texas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLnAgiXOLug)

This demonstrates that Ben Stein doesn't understand inflation.

He doesn't understand that it doesn't always raise prices equally across the board, it can flow into specific sectors.

I really hope somebody informs him of this.

Bruno
12-30-2009, 05:04 PM
Out of curiosity, when you all have a disagreement with a friend on one point, do you also ostracize him for life?

You people have ridiculously thin skin. Ben Stein is more friendly to the Libertarian movement than most. He is a well educated thinker - a statement nowhere near the norm in politics, yet you choose to ostracize him for an argument he has with one of his friends.

If I were a politician, all I can think is that you all make it seriously simple to ignore you and write you off as pot smoking, angry, immature, nutcases.

As with most of my comments on this site lately, I will conclude by saying "Further evidence that the Libertarian movement is doomed for continued failure". What a shame.

Collectivist. :p

Kbeaubs
12-30-2009, 05:11 PM
I'm embarrassed that you said ask a comment. But I digress. ........ lol

Good catch :p


Collectivist. :p

:D:D

dannno
12-30-2009, 05:12 PM
That video hardly a glaring endorsement... he barely knows his name.

Neither did Glenn Beck :rolleyes:

Dieseler
12-30-2009, 05:16 PM
These folk what post here will fight and argue about a LOT of different Topics and any one of those topics could be the undoing of the whole movement.
Having said that, there is one thing that will rally them quicker than anything else.
Don't fuck with Dr. Paul.

Brian4Liberty
12-30-2009, 06:56 PM
That video hardly a glaring endorsement... he barely knows his name.

Michael Savage plays that game all the time with different people. It's simply a technique to diminish or belittle someone.

Matt Collins
07-17-2010, 08:48 PM
Here is the link to the video in the OP:




YouTube - Ben Stein calls Ron Paul Antisemitic on Larry King!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qbKypqXADk&feature=player_embedded)