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Chaohinon
12-28-2009, 10:02 PM
by Alex R. Knight III @ C4SS (http://c4ss.org/content/1584)

You just gotta love those self-styled anti-government Republocrats. First this, from an article by Yasha Levine titled: “Michelle Bachmann: Welfare Queen,” published recently at the leftist truthdig.com:

“Michele Bachmann has become well known for her anti-government tea-bagger antics, protesting health care reform and every other government “handout” as socialism. What her followers probably don’t know is that Rep. Bachmann is, to use that anti-government slur, something of a welfare queen. That’s right, the anti-government insurrectionist has taken more than a quarter-million dollars in government handouts thanks to corrupt farming subsidies she has been collecting for at least a decade.

“And she’s not the only one who has been padding her bank account with taxpayer money.

“Bachmann, of Minnesota, has spent much of this year agitating against health care reform, whipping up the so-called tea-baggers with stories of death panels and rationed health care. She has called for a revolution against what she sees as Barack Obama’s attempted socialist takeover of America, saying presidential policy is ‘reaching down the throat and ripping the guts out of freedom.’

“But data compiled from federal records by Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit watchdog that tracks the recipients of agricultural subsidies in the United States, shows that Bachmann has an inner Marxist that is perfectly at ease with profiting from taxpayer largesse. According to the organization’s records, Bachmann’s family farm received $251,973 in federal subsidies between 1995 and 2006. The farm had been managed by Bachmann’s recently deceased father-in-law and took in roughly $20,000 in 2006 and $28,000 in 2005, with the bulk of the subsidies going to dairy and corn. Both dairy and corn are heavily subsidized—or “socialized”—businesses in America (in 2005 alone, Washington spent $4.8 billion propping up corn prices) and are subject to strict government price controls. These subsidies are at the heart of America’s bizarre planned agricultural economy and as far away from Michele Bachmann’s free-market dream world as Cuba’s free medical system. If American farms such as hers were forced to compete in the global free market, they would collapse.”

So much for rejecting government socialism and defending free markets (which of course is impossible while government exists at all in the first place – in this regard, even quasi-libertarian Texas congressman and 2008 Republican presidential primary candidate Ron Paul, never so hypocritically involved in such hijinx, is powerless to be a purist). The article goes further:

“Chuck Grassley, the longtime Republican senator from Iowa who warns his constituents of Obama’s ‘trend toward socialism,’ has seen his family collect $1 million in federal handouts over an 11-year period, with Grassley’s son receiving $699,248 and the senator himself pocketing $238,974. Even Grassley’s grandson is learning to ride through life on training wheels, snagging $5,964 in 2005 and $2,363 in 2006. In the Grassley family they learn early how to enjoy other people’s money.
“Sen. Grassley railed against government intervention in the health care market, telling The Washington Times, ‘Whenever the government does more … that’s a movement toward socialism.’ As the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, he ought to know, especially because the government has done more for him and his kin than for Americans struggling with high medical bills and mortgages. Even the free-market think tank the Heritage Foundation criticized Grassley on his deep connections to farming interests and his stubborn lack of transparency.”

So it seems Bachmann is not the only right-wing farmer on the take. But after all, ‘tis the season of giving – a season that never ends in Washington, or at any level of political government. The problem is, it’s never your choice or mine whether we “give” our money to the politicians and their heavily armed bureaucrat minions. We pay at gunpoint, they play at leisure – all the while preening and posturing as if we actually needed them. As if they were actually doing or producing something useful.

When I give gifts to my friends and family this Christmas, I’m doing it because these are special people in my life who I care about. When I give forced tribute to government at Christmas, and every other day of the year, I do it to avoid being shot dead – the ultimate result of continued and determined resistance to the aggression the State initiates against us all.

Take some time to examine the difference this holiday season, and then you decide which you like better.

For me, an anarchist, it will always be peace on earth, good will to women and men everywhere.

angelatc
12-28-2009, 10:04 PM
Fuck the anarchists. They ruined this board. So much for good will. I wish you would all drop fucking dead.

They are too arrogant to care that their philosophy doesn't draw a single person into the liberty movement. All it does is drive people away.



For me, an anarchist, it will always be peace on earth, good will to women and men everywhere. Gee, I wonder why nobody likes them.

Chaohinon
12-28-2009, 10:08 PM
ok

MN Patriot
12-28-2009, 10:09 PM
I live in Bachmann's district. If I were to run again for US House for the Libertarian Party, I would use this issue against her. It has been mentioned in past elections; hopefully the Democrats will highlight her hypocrisy. But then THEY would look foolish, but of course none of the Kool Aid drinking Democrats would never recognize liberal hypocrisy.

If she were a "true conservative", she would oppose the Marxist income tax. But then how could the federal government pay out subsidies to the farmers?

TCE
12-28-2009, 10:16 PM
Bachmann is a politician, nothing more, nothing less. Please see her vote on HR 2749, the food "safety" bill. She voted for it TWICE. I still believe she is a neo-con in liberty clothing.

MN Patriot: She won't lose in her district, you're better off putting your money to better use than running against her. http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_MN_1222.pdf

The Democrats targeted her in 2008 and she still won. She is a career politician now and she knows it.

parocks
12-28-2009, 10:33 PM
Doesn't RP put earmarks in bills? He doesn't vote for those bills, but he does put earmarks in them. RP does catch shit for that on other message boards.

Same kind of thing. People say "If RP was truly against spending, he wouldn't put earmarks in the bills, because he knows the bills would pass."


I live in Bachmann's district. If I were to run again for US House for the Libertarian Party, I would use this issue against her. It has been mentioned in past elections; hopefully the Democrats will highlight her hypocrisy. But then THEY would look foolish, but of course none of the Kool Aid drinking Democrats would never recognize liberal hypocrisy.

If she were a "true conservative", she would oppose the Marxist income tax. But then how could the federal government pay out subsidies to the farmers?

Stary Hickory
12-28-2009, 10:40 PM
Lawl Bachmans Father in Law gets subsidies...so she is a welfare queen? Yeah this is drivel.

silverhandorder
12-28-2009, 10:45 PM
Its retarded as hell. By you logic we shouldn't drive on public roads.

If she votes against it she stands to lose government handouts.

coyote_sprit
12-28-2009, 11:02 PM
Fuck the anarchists. They ruined this board. So much for good will. I wish you would all drop fucking dead.

They are too arrogant to care that their philosophy doesn't draw a single person into the liberty movement. All it does is drive people away.


Gee, I wonder why nobody likes them.

What did an anarchist say that was so bad in this thread? That Bachmann is a hypocritical bitch?

revolutionary8
12-28-2009, 11:02 PM
I am no fan of Bachmann but seriously,
If we can't DISAGREE with our inlaws were all F*D!!!!!!

Is this some sort of joke, the commies ref "inner" Marxism b/c Bachmans DEAD father in law got subsidies???
Grasping. Desperate.
If this is the best you got against Bachmann, I just might begin to like her. ;)

silverhandorder
12-28-2009, 11:04 PM
What did an anarchist say that was so bad in this thread? That Bachmann is a hypocritical bitch?

Do you walk on the street? Drive on roads? Use police services?

Wes
12-28-2009, 11:05 PM
Do you walk on the street? Drive on roads? Use police services?

I surely hope you realize how shortsighted this argument is.

silverhandorder
12-28-2009, 11:08 PM
I surely hope you realize how shortsighted this argument is.

What is so shortsighted?

coyote_sprit
12-28-2009, 11:08 PM
Do you walk on the street? Drive on roads? Use police services?

Those are the only options there are to get around(If the government didn't hold a monopoly I'd surely use the alternative), a farmer on the other hand can choose to not accept a government subsidy.

SevenEyedJeff
12-28-2009, 11:10 PM
She's just doing her part to destroy the beast. Take all the handouts you can get till it all blows up.

Wes
12-28-2009, 11:11 PM
Do you breath the air in America? Well then, you support the EPA, the DOD, CIA, FBI, etc.
Do you know how to read and enjoy reading? Well then surely you are for the Department of Education.

Need I go on?

silverhandorder
12-28-2009, 11:12 PM
Those are the only options there are to get around(If the government didn't hold a monopoly I'd surely use the alternative), a farmer on the other hand can choose to not accept a government subsidy.

You can choose to move to another country or live as a hermit. Lets not put blame on people who are on our side actively fighting against it. If you can find me an instance of where she VOTED for farm subsidies then that would look like she is a hypocrite.

In any case I am not familiar with her for all we know she probably voted for them too.

Using government services and jobs does not constitute hypocrisy. Saying they are bad and then VOTING for these services is hypocrisy.

silverhandorder
12-28-2009, 11:13 PM
Do you breath the air in America? Well then, you support the EPA, the DOD, CIA, FBI, etc.
Do you know how to read and enjoy reading? Well then surely you are for the Department of Education.

Need I go on?

Exactly that only results if you use the logic where using something that you are against equals hypocrisy.

My point is that if one actively works to lose these "benefits" then it is not hypocrisy at all.

coyote_sprit
12-28-2009, 11:15 PM
Using government services and jobs does not constitute hypocrisy. Saying they are bad and then VOTING for these services is hypocrisy.

It's also hypocrisy to rally against socialism while utilizing a product of it.

Wes
12-28-2009, 11:15 PM
She is famous for she announcing that government handouts are socialism and is completely against it, yet she takes farm subsidies.

silverhandorder
12-28-2009, 11:16 PM
It's also hypocrisy to rally against socialism while utilizing a product of it.

Again then don't walk on public property.

coyote_sprit
12-28-2009, 11:17 PM
Again then don't walk on public property.

When there is an alternative I won't, however right now the government has a monopoly.

Wes
12-28-2009, 11:19 PM
Thankfully we all have the liberty to find a hermit job in a desolate area. Its so easy to do that isn't it?

revolutionary8
12-28-2009, 11:20 PM
She is famous for she announcing that government handouts are socialism and is completely against it, yet she takes farm subsidies.

I know what she is famous for, she is either a recovering neocon, or its all an act, but you are WRONG.
SHE doesn't take shit buddy- HER DEAD FATHER IN LAW did.
comprende?

Now, unless you are 12, have you ever had a "disagreement" with an inlaw? A parent of your boyfriend/girlfriend? Do you feel that you have control over their decisions?

...hmmmmmm
:rolleyes:
welcome to the forums, and I would duck and cover if I were you. Not that there are any raging Bachmann fans around here, but there are PLENTY of other things to skewer this woman with. LIKE SENDING US TO WAR, AND FUNDING AN ILLEGAL WAR. Seriously. Get a grip.

Lemme guess you are an obamabot that can no longer use the "war crimes" protest charge. lol
fail.

ClayTrainor
12-28-2009, 11:22 PM
Fuck the anarchists. They ruined this board. So much for good will. I wish you would all drop fucking dead.

Relax... you'll live longer. ;)



They are too arrogant to care that their philosophy doesn't draw a single person into the liberty movement. All it does is drive people away.
Right... so people like Rothbard and Ayn Rand have done nothing to draw even a single person into liberty. :rolleyes:



Gee, I wonder why nobody likes them.Why do you make a consistent effort to speak for other people?

silverhandorder
12-28-2009, 11:24 PM
When there is an alternative I won't, however right now the government has a monopoly.

There is an alternative, you can go and live in a forest as a hermit. How can you objectively separate your alternative as more dire then anyone elses? So a life long anarchist should refuse medical help and wait for his private doctor to arrive?

I don't see how you can realistically demand that people should not use what they have not voted for. You can take that as a personal stance but the more and more you try to uphold the more you should realize you can not participate in modern society.

Wes
12-28-2009, 11:24 PM
I know what she is famous for, she is either a recovering neocon, or its all an act, but you are WRONG.
SHE doesn't take shit buddy- HER DEAD FATHER IN LAW did.
comprende?

Now, unless you are 12, have you ever had a "disagreement" with an inlaw? A parent of your boyfriend/girlfriend? Do you feel that you have control over their decisions?

...hmmmmmm
:rolleyes:
welcome to the forums, and I would duck and cover if I were you. Not that there are any raging Bachmann fans around here, but there are PLENTY of other things to skewer this woman with. LIKE SENDING US TO WAR, AND FUNDING AN ILLEGAL WAR. Seriously. Get a grip.

Lemme guess you are an obamabot that can no longer use the "war crimes" protest charge. lol
fail.

Other article on Bachmann welfare queen (http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/michelle_bachman_welfare_queen_20091221/) (from a democrat website):


Bachmann’s financial disclosure forms indicate that her personal stake in the family farm is worth up to $250,000. They also show that she has been earning income from the farm business, and that the income grew in just a few years from $2,000 to as much as $50,000 for 2008.


And no I'm not an obamabot. I gave a significant amount of money to Adam Kokesh and Rand Paul on December 16th.

silverhandorder
12-28-2009, 11:29 PM
Thankfully we all have the liberty to find a hermit job in a desolate area. Its so easy to do that isn't it?

So why should anyone sacrifice a good job offer or a good investment that would improve their quality of life?

A group of people live on an island and vote to take 40% of everyone's coconuts and redistribute them to everyone equally. You are one of the stronger individuals and voted against it. Yet without 40% of coconuts you can not support your self as well. Should you then reject the share that is allot to you? When you voted AGAINST it? Should a weak individual who realizes that it is wrong and have stood by the strong individual be forced to lose benefits that he is forced to pay into?

This is a moronic purity test that no one in their right mind would uphold. Yes taking handouts is wrong. It is not however hypocritical to take them while you are in favor of ending the practice in the first place.

Reason
12-28-2009, 11:29 PM
What did an anarchist say that was so bad in this thread? That Bachmann is a hypocritical bitch?

angelatc is perpetually pms'ing

Wes
12-28-2009, 11:34 PM
So why should anyone sacrifice a good job offer or a good investment that would improve their quality of life?

A group of people live on an island and vote to take 40% of everyone's coconuts and redistribute them to everyone equally. You are one of the stronger individuals and voted against it. Yet without 40% of coconuts you can not support your self as well. Should you then reject the share that is allot to you? When you voted AGAINST it? Should a weak individual who realizes that it is wrong and have stood by the strong individual be forced to lose benefits that he is forced to pay into?

This is a moronic purity test that no one in their right mind would uphold. Yes taking handouts is wrong. It is not however hypocritical to take them while you are in favor of ending the practice in the first place.

You just basically said, in a far less extreme sense, that if a white business owner in Nazi Germany made more money there, he should take that money even if he is against the government regime.

revolutionary8
12-28-2009, 11:39 PM
Other article on Bachmann welfare queen (http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/michelle_bachman_welfare_queen_20091221/) (from a democrat website):




And no I'm not an obamabot. I gave a significant amount of money to Adam Kokesh and Rand Paul on December 16th.

Pardon me Wes.
I see what you are trying to say. I am not sure if this is true, or not. I have seen no "indicators" as the article references. When I see these "indicators" I might bite, but until then,

I'll just sit back and have some pop corn. :D

silverhandorder
12-28-2009, 11:39 PM
You just basically said, in a far less extreme sense, that if a white business owner in Nazi Germany made more money there, he should take that money even if he is against the government regime.

Whats wrong with that?

revolutionary8
12-28-2009, 11:41 PM
angelatc is perpetually pms'ing

Umm, I don't think angela is a female. :rolleyes:
Now dig yourself out of that one. ;)

Wes
12-28-2009, 11:43 PM
Supporting genocide as long as you make a few more bucks sounds like a real rational side to belong to.

silverhandorder
12-28-2009, 11:45 PM
Supporting genocide as long as you make a few more bucks sounds like a real rational side to belong to.
You are supporting one now by working in America. Go to Mexico. You are no better then a nazy. I am using your logic here.

revolutionary8
12-28-2009, 11:48 PM
You just basically said, in a far less extreme sense, that if a white business owner in Nazi Germany made more money there, he should take that money even if he is against the government regime.

Wes, what country are you from and do you pay your taxes?
My answer:
US
Yes I do.

You're next- :D

Wes
12-28-2009, 11:51 PM
I'm done arguing. Lets get back to the topic at hand.

coyote_sprit
12-28-2009, 11:58 PM
Umm, I don't think angela is a female. :rolleyes:
Now dig yourself out of that one. ;)

Bottom of the page. (http://redstateeclectic.us.com/page.php?pageid=1)

revolutionary8
12-28-2009, 11:59 PM
I'm done arguing. Lets get back to the topic at hand.

If you are paying taxes, and you are an American, your are sponsoring Genocide and ethnic cleansing.
Isn't that the topic at hand Wes?

here it is again:

if a white business owner in Nazi Germany made more money there, he should take that money even if he is against the government regime.

Now, if you don't think having to take a "muslim test" or walking through a nekkid sanner just to get on a plane isn't "NAZI LIKE", or killing untold millions in undeclared wars isn't NAZI LIKE, then I don't know what to tell you.
So back to the topic,
do YOU support a Nazi Regime and don't know it?

Pity on you.

revolutionary8
12-29-2009, 12:04 AM
Bottom of the page. (http://redstateeclectic.us.com/page.php?pageid=1)

Oh, so it is the PMS. :rolleyes:
:p

Chaohinon
12-29-2009, 12:14 AM
Do you walk on the street? Drive on roads? Use police services?The last two are services I'd gladly do away with. Just gosta find me a hovercar and a laser gun. redacted by Mod

silverhandorder
12-29-2009, 09:27 AM
The last two are services I'd gladly do away with. Just gosta find me a hovercar and a laser gun that vaporizes cops, and we'll be set.

I would too. It's not like we are not on the same side here. I am just not willing to vilify people who are on our side and done nothing wrong.

KAYA
12-29-2009, 09:29 AM
That write up was trash.

MelissaWV
12-29-2009, 09:41 AM
Not every female gets PMS. Dismissing your opponent in a debate of any level due to an unrelated trait is pretty intellectually weak. If someone is irrational, then they are irrational. If you think so, why address them in the first place? What do you gain by addressing someone who you feel is irrational? An easy "win"? :rolleyes:

haaaylee
12-29-2009, 10:03 AM
does every thread have to turn into a nazi/hitler/marxist/neo-con thread? jesus . . .

MelissaWV
12-29-2009, 10:03 AM
does every thread have to turn into a nazi/hitler/marxist/neo-con thread? jesus . . .

*points*

NOW it's also a religion thread :D

torchbearer
12-29-2009, 10:13 AM
nazi/hitler/marxist/neo-con /jesus . . .

what do all those things have in common?

MelissaWV
12-29-2009, 10:15 AM
what do all those things have in common?

Organizations dominated/led by men, or are men? :D

Most of the people involved had ten toes?

They all happened after the dinosaurs died?

Pericles
12-29-2009, 11:09 AM
what do all those things have in common?

After you affix that label to someone, everything that person says is automatically discredited, and you are relieved of any further discussion with said person.