Something about Palin doesn't make sense

[justinc.1089]

Something about Sarah Palin doesn't really make much sense to me. In the past she was a member of a political party in Alaska that wants Alaska to be its own country, as many of you know already of course, probably all of you.

So, that makes me think she has more credibility than most politicians because there are not many politicians that would join a fringe party or a small party since it would hurt them politically and make them look bad. (Or was that party politically popular in Alaska at the time, and actually beneficial for Palin to join?)

And she also couldn't possibly be as dumb and ignorant as she appears to be if she was a part of that party. There's just no way someone can be around a party like that, which I heard one person compare to the LP, although I don't know how alike they really are, and then be ignorant of political theories and issues.

So if she is not ignorant of the issues, and is corrupt to some degree, why would she have been a member of that party?

I just can't figure out what I think about her yet, if she is misguided, ignorant/dumb, or corrupt.

[Matt Collins]

The following video will answer your question about Sarah Palin.


YouTube - SA@TAC - What is Sarah Palin? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RgW5tgDIxY)

[justinc.1089]

Another thing I don't get as well, why does she support an interventionist foreign policy even to the point where her own son is involved when I am certain at least some of the people she associated with in the ASP understood the best foreign policy is a non-interventionist policy?

Surely she understands that.

The only thing I can think of is that it was politically convenient for her to become a member of that party, and that she used that label to gain votes and support. She probably never thought she would become a national level figure and be that successful in politics, so she figured the quick benefits from becoming a member of the ASP would be the best thing to do since it probably wouldn't ever hurt her politically.

I mean its fairly clear she advocates whatever people tell her to, such as putting pressure on Russia, staying in Iraq, etc.

The idea of her being corrupt and a political opportunist would also explain why she is so ambiguous about her political ideologies. I mean I still only know a couple of things she has stated for sure, that she wants to keep freaking Russia out by continuing to build up our missile defense systems throughout Europe and put pressure on Russia, and that she does not want to withdraw from Iraq.

I have no clue what she has stated about the income tax, healthcare, immigration and border security, I think she is trying to sound anti-Fed somewhat, and so on.

Oh, I just remembered one more thing she has said, that she doesn't want gay people to be able to get married. Good thing she made her stand on that critical issue!:rolleyes:

I think if she was just dumb and ignorant she would state positions much more often, but they would just be typical, usual ones she heard someone else say. But if she is a political opportunist, then being ambiguous is the way to go.;)


Edit:

One thing is certain, everyone needs to be studying why Palin sucks because I have a strong feeling she is about to become the Republican Obama, and we will have to explain to tons of people why she isn't what she appears to be.

[Ron_Paul_Knows]

Just FYI, she was never a message of the Alaska Independence Party, just her husband Todd, although in 2008 she did deliver a taped welcome message as Governor to the party's convention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party#Todd_Palin_association (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaskan_Independence_Party#Todd_Palin_association)

That's still pretty cool though.:cool:

[justinc.1089]

Where does that rumor come from then? Her husband having been involved in it?

I was actually just about to check that out to see when she was a member and for how long to know if it was true, or just a rumor.

[Pauls' Revere]

This is what they are:

YouTube - Living Colour - Cult Of Personality (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xxgRUyzgs0)

[Matt Collins]

"Cult of Personality" is one of my all time favorite songs!

[justinc.1089]

Well its obvious Palin's supporters are a cult of personality, but what do you guys make of Palin? Is she corrupt, ignorant, dumb, or a combination?

I'm thinking she's a corrupt political opportunist, and that all those stories about her firing people she didn't like are perfectly true.

[Dieseler]

Well its obvious Palin's supporters are a cult of personality, but what do you guys make of Palin? Is she corrupt, ignorant, dumb, or a combination?

I'm thinking she's a corrupt political opportunist, and that all those stories about her firing people she didn't like are perfectly true.

Most likely ignorant but no doubt learning fast and from the wrong people.

[Bman]

Dump the "Something about" and you will have established a profound title for a thread.

[Pauls' Revere]

Well its obvious Palin's supporters are a cult of personality, but what do you guys make of Palin? Is she corrupt, ignorant, dumb, or a combination?

I'm thinking she's a corrupt political opportunist, and that all those stories about her firing people she didn't like are perfectly true.

does it matter? If she's any of those would you support her?

I don't agree with Rachel Maddow however she does drop the bomb on Palin.
YouTube - What Gov. Palin said: Stupid is as stupid does (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSCQod12Z70)

[BlackTerrel]

And she also couldn't possibly be as dumb and ignorant as she appears to be if she was a part of that party. There's just no way someone can be around a party like that, which I heard one person compare to the LP, although I don't know how alike they really are, and then be ignorant of political theories and issues.

Two things:

#1 - Beliefs (political or religious) have very little do with intelligence (surprisingly). There are smart and dumb liberals, libertarians, conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, Ron Paul Supporters, Jews, Christians, Mormons, Muslims and atheists.

#2 - Palin is not as dumb as some people think. She may not be super bright or the most well spoken but she is probably considerably smarter than the average American and does far better than most if they were on TV 24/7.

[Southron]

I think that you can say Palin was not controllable by the powers that be during the last election cycle. That's where you had all the attacking by the McCain people after the election.

I think if she runs in 2012 you will see that power structure behind her. Just look what they tried to do to her. I think she understands now that she needs them and the people in power will revamp her image.

[parocks]

Maybe, but not necessarily. She might understand that she has been able to survive without them, in the face of their attacks, and perhaps recognizes that she can win with the support of people who are against the power structure.

Most politicians don't get to high office without some dark, undiscovered stain which the power structure can use to control the politician. It appears that Palin lacks this stain (but there really isn't any way to know this).


I think that you can say Palin was not controllable by the powers that be during the last election cycle. That's where you had all the attacking by the McCain people after the election.

I think if she runs in 2012 you will see that power structure behind her. Just look what they tried to do to her. I think she understands now that she needs them and the people in power will revamp her image.

[justinc.1089]

Two things:

#1 - Beliefs (political or religious) have very little do with intelligence (surprisingly). There are smart and dumb liberals, libertarians, conservatives, Republicans, Democrats, Ron Paul Supporters, Jews, Christians, Mormons, Muslims and atheists.

#2 - Palin is not as dumb as some people think. She may not be super bright or the most well spoken but she is probably considerably smarter than the average American and does far better than most if they were on TV 24/7.

Well beliefs don't prove a person is dumb, smart, or inbetween, but a smarter person tends to go the correct way more than a dumb person does. Its just easier for them to figure out quicker. But yeah, I do agree generally political beliefs and religious beliefs don't necessarily mean a person is dumb or smart.

I agree Palin is considerably smarter than the average American, but honestly, I find most people to be dumber than they should be. I hope I'm not just arrogant, but it just feels like there are more people I'm around that seem dense to me than those that don't seem dense to me. So Palin being considerably smarter than the average American doesn't really make her smart in my opinion.

I think she is very well spoken, but I think she is at least uninformed. I'm not sure if she's a little "dumb" or whatever, ignorant could be another possibility, for sure.

My opinion about Palin is that I know for sure she's messed up her political philosophy, but I'm not sure why exactly, if its from being dumb, ignorant, corrupt, or a combination. Like I stated already I'm leaning towards corrupt, but in a power hungry power grabbing kind of way.

I'm just tired of not having a solid argument built against Palin when I know she is not right and would not and has not lead right either. When I hear people say they love Palin I want to be able to clearly explain why she should not be a person they admire, and that they should support someone like Ron Paul or Gary Johnson in the future perhaps if he runs for president.

[libertarian4321]

does it matter? If she's any of those would you support her?

I don't agree with Rachel Maddow however she does drop the bomb on Palin.
YouTube - What Gov. Palin said: Stupid is as stupid does (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSCQod12Z70)

Palin represents almost everything that has gone WRONG with the Republican Party. She's much like George W. Bush in that way.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Why do "libertarians" on this thread continue to use people like Maddow, Mahr, John Stewart etc as EXAMPLES? They would absolutely DISPISE the libertarian philosophy, they are socialists, they are haters of freedom and liberty. When you folks do this ...it destroys your credibility. Now, Palin IS smart...but unfortunately, she is going down the wrong road. I LOVE the Southern Avenger..that was a great video. TONES

[justinc.1089]

Why do "libertarians" on this thread continue to use people like Maddow, Mahr, John Stewart etc as EXAMPLES? They would absolutely DISPISE the libertarian philosophy, they are socialists, they are haters of freedom and liberty. When you folks do this ...it destroys your credibility. Now, Palin IS smart...but unfortunately, she is going down the wrong road. I LOVE the Southern Avenger..that was a great video. TONES

Well when the "right" says A is right, and B is wrong, and the "left" says A is wrong, and B is right, and both A and B are wrong, you can either use a person from the "right" or from the "left" to help illustrate your point when they say A or B is wrong.

I have heard plenty of truth come from O'reilly, Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, Olbermann, Maddow, Stewart, Colbert, and so on, but of course almost all of those people say stuff that is VERY wrong too. Some people just like to post videos of them saying stuff that happens to be correct.

I personally don't use them because it gives the person credibility, like here Maddow, and Maddow is an idiot socialist like you said, so I don't want anyone unfamiliar with Maddow to think she is a credible journalist when she is not at all.

But its no big deal since everyone here already knows she's an idiot socialist lol.

[libertarian4321]

Now, Palin IS smart... TONES

Can you give us some examples?

[justinc.1089]

Can you give us some examples?

I second that, she appears smart, but I have yet to see evidence of it. I think its her persona that makes her seem to be well anything at all lol.

She is being described as a conservative Obama now, and I think its extremely fitting.

[BlackTerrel]

Well beliefs don't prove a person is dumb, smart, or inbetween, but a smarter person tends to go the correct way more than a dumb person does. Its just easier for them to figure out quicker. But yeah, I do agree generally political beliefs and religious beliefs don't necessarily mean a person is dumb or smart.

It's perplexing in many ways. When I was younger I thought that all the smart people (brain surgeons, rocket scientists, Mensa members etc.) would all gravitate towards the "correct" religious and political beliefs and then we could all just follow them. I mean it makes sense that smart people would choose the "right" religion and the "right" political party doesn't it?

Unfortunately I've never found it to be that way. There are smart and dumb and in between in just about every religion and political ideology. I don't think you can see much of a correlation.

[parocks]

Can you give us some examples?

Well, Palin is good looking. Perhaps she's the best looking female politician in US history. On the other hand, perhaps she isn't.

She was not the most experienced politician in US history when she was picked for the VP nom in 08.

She did not come from a wealthy background, or a well known political family.

She went from an average background, with average educational achievements to the VP nom.

She does not seem to have been groomed for high political office. There is no evidence that she was hobnobbing from an early age with elites.

So, how does she get from that background - basically a solid middle class American background - to the VP nom. Yes, looks had something to do with it.
But if that were always true, and that's all there is to it, then we'd have a series of ex models as Presidents.

What you're looking at with Palin for the most part is a long series of good decisions. Those decisions could have come from luck or from smarts. Others could attribute some of those decisions to character. But something intrinsic to Palin, vs something outside of Palin.

A good part of the reason why she was picked in 08 was the bio, and the bio is the result of decisions she made. She made the decisions she made, she was smart to make those decisions. Look at the result. A VP nom and popularity exceeding the Pres nom a year after the election.

[parocks]

I second that, she appears smart, but I have yet to see evidence of it. I think its her persona that makes her seem to be well anything at all lol.

She is being described as a conservative Obama now, and I think its extremely fitting.

Intelligence does not always 100% positively correlate with the ability to sound intelligent or even lucid in a conversation.

I know what my test scores are (or were) and if those intelligence test scores measured the ability to always give great conversation, I would never lose my train of thought in a conversation or garble my syntax or anything of the sort.

You don't get to be the VP nominee with less than 2 years experience as a Governor, and no wealth, and no fame, no connections, unless you're pretty smart, no matter how good looking and charismatic you are.

I think she knows the right thing to do and the right time to do it. I think that she's probably much much better than the average person at predicting the future. Predicting the future comes from an understanding of history and analysis of the present, in part. Both of those things are correlated with intelligence.

[parocks]

People who hand out grades are typically liberal. They give good grades to students who say liberal things and bad grades to students who say conservative things.

People who graduate from Harvard Law are going to be Liberal because of that process. When you get a -1 in college for being conservative, and Harvard Law is only taking +1, you're not getting into Harvard Law if you're a conservative.

The mainstream assumes people who graduate from Harvard Law are smart, but the truth is that Harvard Law graduates have been working for many years to please their Liberal teachers and they're the best at it.



It's perplexing in many ways. When I was younger I thought that all the smart people (brain surgeons, rocket scientists, Mensa members etc.) would all gravitate towards the "correct" religious and political beliefs and then we could all just follow them. I mean it makes sense that smart people would choose the "right" religion and the "right" political party doesn't it?

Unfortunately I've never found it to be that way. There are smart and dumb and in between in just about every religion and political ideology. I don't think you can see much of a correlation.

[jmdrake]

"Cult of Personality" is one of my all time favorite songs!

Mine too! Surprisingly this is the first time I've watched the video. (Never was a MTV kid and I forgot about this song once YouTube came around). Love how the little girl finally turns off the TV at the end. So many messages packed in there, I wonder how many people get them all? And I wonder what Living Color thinks of everything going on in the world now?

[MelissaWV]

Various people in this thread credit her with things that have come to pass either through inaction, or through the actions of others. How this makes her "intelligent," I'll never understand.

[Matthew Zak]

What doesn't make sense about Sarah Palin is that she is mentioned on this board way too much.

[BlackTerrel]

People who hand out grades are typically liberal. They give good grades to students who say liberal things and bad grades to students who say conservative things.

People who graduate from Harvard Law are going to be Liberal because of that process. When you get a -1 in college for being conservative, and Harvard Law is only taking +1, you're not getting into Harvard Law if you're a conservative.

The mainstream assumes people who graduate from Harvard Law are smart, but the truth is that Harvard Law graduates have been working for many years to please their Liberal teachers and they're the best at it.

Perhaps in some fields. But what about someone who graduates from MIT or Stanford in mathematics, or computer science or engineering?

[justinc.1089]

Interesting, there are still no examples of Palin's intelligence.

Palin becoming the nominee for VP does not count as an example of intelligence because she was chosen by the McCain campaign. If you think that was a good decision it shows someone in that campaign or some people in it were intelligent, but not Palin, she just accepted the offer.

And as for being governor, she was just a mayor before that. Its not THAT hard to be elected mayor of a town. Personally I think she won the election from a lot of people knowing her and her being a social person more than likely, and then the establishment ran her for governor for the same reasons the McCain campaign chose her for the VP nominee, such as being an attractive female, having an appealing persona to conservative voters, and so on.

I think those of you who say she would be better than average or better than Republican establishment are being duped by her persona.

Palin IS NOT dumb like the media has portrayed her. An idiot can't do what she has done.

But she also IS NOT any better than Neo-conservative Republicans because she is one.

Take a hard, objective look at the facts laid out against her without bias coming from her persona being appealing to conservatives, and you will see she IS just another politician.

I'm just after why. I personally think she understands the concepts of liberty, paleo-conservatism, and libertarianism, so I think she is a control freak, but not necessarily the type of politician that takes bribes outright, I'm just not sure of that really.