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Reason
12-27-2009, 07:37 PM
More data mining?

Easier to monitor all of us?

Just want to make sure we don't have to wait too long to download porn?

Your thoughts?

http://www.broadbandusa.gov/

" The Recovery Act appropriated $7.2 billion and directed the Department of Agriculture's Rural Utilities Service (RUS) (http://www.usda.gov/rus/) and The Department of Commerce's National Telecommunications Information Administration (NTIA) (http://www.ntia.doc.gov/broadbandgrants/) to expand broadband access to unserved and underserved communities across the U.S., increase jobs, spur investments in technology and infrastructure, and provide long-term economic benefits.


The result is the RUS Broadband Initiatives Program (BIP) and the NTIA Broadband Technology Opportunities Program (BTOP).
BIP will make loans and grants for broadband infrastructure projects in rural areas. BTOP will provide grants to fund broadband infrastructure, public computer centers and sustainable broadband adoption projects. "

YouTube - The Communicators: FCC Broadband Initiative (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EmoLGrXSdk)

Zippyjuan
12-27-2009, 09:36 PM
If they intend to use it to spy on people, making it higher speed only increases the incredible amount of data they have to store and sift through making their job more difficult. Add in cell phones and twitter and all the new technologies and it is amazing they can learn anything useful. They would have to specifically target a source to get anything useful which again the higher speed does not really help them.

Dieseler
12-27-2009, 09:44 PM
If they intend to use it to spy on people, making it higher speed only increases the incredible amount of data they have to store and sift through making their job more difficult. Add in cell phones and twitter and all the new technologies and it is amazing they can learn anything useful. They would have to specifically target a source to get anything useful which again the higher speed does not really help them.

Then again, if they are only looking for specific (seeded) data being transferred, that can easily be tagged and bagged right?
Faster for sure and with less chance of packet loss even.

Dieseler
12-27-2009, 09:49 PM
More data mining?
I think so.


Easier to monitor all of us?
For sure

Just want to make sure we don't have to wait too long to download porn?
Blackmail from things like that surely happens to our elected officials and would most likely work well on others as well.

Your thoughts?
No doubt.
Mind reading on broadband is much faster than dial up. I'm sure they would love for everyone in the entire World to post to facebook and twitter.
Ron Paul Forums to.

:D

Andrew-Austin
12-27-2009, 09:57 PM
It really just sounds like a special interest group handout thing, not a "we're gunna expand the police/spy state" type thing. Just look at who will be getting all the business from the grant money, and you can really just figure its all about making them happy. The "stimulus" shit is just the cover story/rationalization.

Any industry the government starts meddling in and subsidizing, will gradually start to become less 'free' though.

tmosley
12-27-2009, 10:13 PM
It's sort of an international pissing contest. All the big socialist countries are "ahead" of us in terms of high speed internet penetration.

A nice bit of propaganda against our "free market" in communications. Time to socialize the internet...

Thrashertm
12-27-2009, 10:18 PM
It really just sounds like a special interest group handout thing, not a "we're gunna expand the police/spy state" type thing. Just look at who will be getting all the business from the grant money, and you can really just figure its all about making them happy. The "stimulus" shit is just the cover story/rationalization.

Any industry the government starts meddling in and subsidizing, will gradually start to become less 'free' though.

This ^. We saw the same bullshit with the switch from broadcast to HD TV. Congress is trying to buy votes.

Andrew-Austin
12-27-2009, 10:27 PM
Who can't pay for their own internet anyways?

I'm poor and I pay for it. If this is aiming to bring the interwebs to the ghetto, I don't think they will use it to learn anything, they'll just use it to surf myspace and look at porn.


“New broadband access means more capacity and better reliability in rural areas and underserved urban communities around the country. Businesses will be able to improve their customer service and better compete around the world,” said Vice President Biden. “

What do they mean by "underserved"? That is new-speak for "people unwilling to pay for it" right?


“These broadband investments continue the Obama Administration’s efforts to create jobs, expand economic opportunities and build a stronger rural America,” said Secretary Vilsack.

Stupid fool.


Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt: Public Works Projects. (http://www.jim.com/econ/chap04p1.html)

kpitcher
12-27-2009, 10:28 PM
Sadly it's more government double paying. The large telco legalized monopolies charged a tarrif on all services that was supposed to go for infrastructure improvement. Further they agreed to high speed rollout ages ago in agreements with the FCC to preserve their monopolies. They got their money but never got around to actually doing what they agreed to. Last count it's 300 billion dollars for intranet backbone investments that never were delivered. Cringely has a decent write up (http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070810_002683.html) as does the original source. (http://www.newnetworks.com/broadbandscandals.htm)

I see this latest round of bailout money going to broadband as a way to shut up those people complaing about the previous investments never being put out there. The telco crowd has enormous resources to get congress critters to do what they want. If we didn't have legislated monopolies in the telco infrastructure perhaps this would be different.

In 1996 there was the Telco act of 1996 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecommunications_Act_of_1996) which forced the Baby Bells to interconnect with new startups. Sadly when Bush took office he put Powell's kid in charge of the FCC and their corporatism got rid of all the good things in the Act. I don't see this changing anytime soon, the baby bells are bigger than Ma Bell ever was.

I know of one project going after some of this money. It's a fiber ring around Michigan, run by merit - a non profit that's helped shape some of the internet as we know it. From there companies can tap into the high speed backbone. This may be one possible way to get away from the telco monopolies so all in all since the money is already spent it may actually do some good.

fj45lvr
12-28-2009, 02:56 AM
I bet the GOV wants to work with corporate insiders to promote a new information GATE where they can become the "gate keepers" as they realize that the print and TV propaganda outlets will not be enough for the upcoming generations that use the internet.....making sure they can CONTROL the content will be job #1-----to accomplish this they have to invent a new "improved" access where they can control the content.

BlackTerrel
12-28-2009, 03:07 AM
If not for the Fed government we wouldn't have an Internet to begin with.

Bman
12-28-2009, 03:13 AM
If not for the Fed government we wouldn't have an Internet to begin with.

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Even if you're first to finish the race it doesn't automatically mean no one else is coming up behind you. There's no real way to justify your comment. To get to this day and age required a lot from a lot.

coyote_sprit
12-28-2009, 03:59 AM
It's sort of an international pissing contest. All the big socialist countries are "ahead" of us in terms of high speed internet penetration.

A nice bit of propaganda against our "free market" in communications. Time to socialize the internet...


Which can be attributed to that fact that a lot of those countries are smaller and have most of their populations located in dense cities. Add in the fact that we don't have a truly free market system.