TSA to ban Kool-aid as bomb making agent soon

[devil21]

breaking news....TSA will respond swiftly by banning all drink mixes.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_airliner_disturbance


WASHINGTON – U.S. officials say a Northwest Airlines passenger from Nigeria said he was acting on behalf of al-Qaida when he tried to blow up a flight Friday as it landed in Detroit.

Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., identified the suspect as Abdul Mudallad, a Nigerian. King said the flight began in Nigeria and went through Amsterdam en route to Detroit.

One of the U.S. intelligence officials said the explosive device was a mix of powder and liquid. It failed when the passenger tried to detonate it.

The passenger was being questioned Friday evening.

Both of the officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was continuing.

The motive of the Christmas Day attack was not immediately clear.

Yeah a little morbid humor there. Glad he wasn't successful.

[Matt Collins]

Why don't they name the chemical? What was it? How does it work? Was there any real threat?

[phill4paul]

Why don't they name the chemical? What was it? How does it work? Was there any real threat?

I would like an answer to these question myself.

[MelissaWV]

Why don't they name the chemical? What was it? How does it work? Was there any real threat?

But if they answer that, you might copy!!!

It's funny. You'd think they'd release the chemical name, and how it was smuggled on board, and then start checking specifically for that. Some people ARE stupid enough to copycat, and it would be easy enough to find the same exact m.o., same exact materials, etc..

I also love how the initial reports said it was a firecracker. Man attempts to blow up airplane with firecracker. Man says he's a member of Al-Qaeda, too, so he obviously must be. :rolleyes:

[Matt Collins]

But in all seriousness, it just goes to show that government security is incompetent. They couldn't keep this guy and his chemicals off the plane. Who stopped him? The People stopped him. The government sure is doing things to keep us safe, right? :rolleyes:

[Kludge]

Terrorists are more incompetent than our government....

The only reason we're safe is because everybody (less my associates & I, of course) is stupid.

[Aratus]

even adding the WRONG cleaning agents together in PH terms has one breathing fumes akin to WWI's mustard gas...

[InterestedParticipant]

Why don't they name the chemical? What was it? How does it work? Was there any real threat?
There is absolutely nothing about this "story" that is true.

This is just justification for the new see-thru-your-clothes machines and full body scans.

[MelissaWV]

lol ... This morning they said on the news that he was "attempting to light the device in his crotch" and "there was smoke" and finally "he looked very surprised it didn't go off." I could really think of more comfortable ways to meet my maker than setting off a bomb on my swimsuit area.

[InterestedParticipant]

"attempting to light the device in his crotch"
Yup, they want access to your 'privates' now, and the only way to do that in an acceptable manner is via a full body scanner. They've been deployed since at least 2000, and they've just been looking for justification for wide spread release.

[armstrong]

lol ... This morning they said on the news that he was "attempting to light the device in his crotch" and "there was smoke" and finally "he looked very surprised it didn't go off." I could really think of more comfortable ways to meet my maker than setting off a bomb on my swimsuit area.

lol, its was a pecker bomb....:D

[MelissaWV]

It wasn't *stowed* in his crotch as far as I'm aware; he just apparently was mixing the thing and lighting it in his lap. The TSA can keep getting more and more advanced, and it won't matter. Someone is going to get through unless every inch of every person and every bag is accounted for, and the plane itself undergoes a scan just before takeoff. Even then, someone will just get near the takeoff/landing paths with a rocket launcher and merge into traffic, vanishing (there are way too many airports where planes take off right above major highways/interstates). It's just not foolproof, folks.

I can just see where crotch searches would go, though. You could stow some manner of device in a fake phallus and attach it convincingly (woman posing as a man). What's the TSA going to do? Make you "turn it on" like they do with some electronic devices to ensure it's not a fake?

Jeez. I'll just walk to my next destination, thanks.

[MelissaWV]

lol, its was a pecker bomb....:D

It didn't go off :( Cialis fails again?

[armstrong]

:D

[Matt Collins]

I can just see where crotch searches would go, though. You could stow some manner of device in a fake phallus and attach it convincingly (woman posing as a man). What's the TSA going to do? Make you "turn it on" like they do with some electronic devices to ensure it's not a fake?Question is, do they have a human or machine "sniffer"? ;):p:D

[Danke]

Yup, they want access to your 'privates' now, and the only way to do that in an acceptable manner is via a full body scanner. They've been deployed since at least 2000, and they've just been looking for justification for wide spread release.

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[Pepsi]

the plan is to ban most people from flying on airplanes, with the exemption of a few, such as members of Congress, Presidents, and other rulling classes, and the very rich who can pay for the comming carbon credits.

All of these secrutiy rules are ment to train people obey the goverment, and get them mad as hell that they dont want to fly any more.

[MelissaWV]

Now you must remain in your seat an hour before landing. I hope no one has to pee.


WASHINGTON – Some airlines were telling passengers on Saturday that new government security regulations prohibit them from leaving their seats beginning an hour before landing

The regulations are a response to a suspected terrorism incident on Christmas Day.

Air Canada said in a statement that new rules imposed by the Transportation Security Administration limit on-board activities by passengers and crew in U.S. airspace. The airline said that during the final hour of flight passengers must remain seated. They won't be allowed access to carryon baggage or to have any items on their laps.

Flight attendants on some domestic flights are informing passengers of similar rules. Passengers on a flight from New York to Tampa Saturday morning were also told they must remain in their seats and couldn't have items in their laps, including laptops and pillows.

The TSA issued a security directive for U.S.-bound flights from overseas, according to a transportation security official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the official was not authorized to speak publicly.

The official said passengers traveling internationally could see increased security screening at gates and when they check their bags, as well as additional measures on flights such as stowing carryons and personal items before the plane lands.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said in a statement Saturday that passengers flying to the U.S. from overseas may notice extra security, but she said the measures "are designed to be unpredictable, so passengers should not expect to see the same thing everywhere."

A Nigerian passenger on a Northwest Airlines flight from Amsterdam allegedly attempted to start a fire as the plane prepared to land in Detroit on Friday, according to authorities. The incident has sparked a major international terrorism investigation.

Air Canada said it was limiting passengers to one carryon bag in response to a request from the U.S. and Canadian governments.

The airline advised U.S.-bound passengers to restrict their carryon item to "the absolute minimum" or to not carry any bag on board at all.

"Carriage of any carryon item will result in lengthy security delays for the customer," the airline said.

U.S.-bound flights on all airlines are experiencing significant delays, said Duncan Dee, Air Canada's executive vice president and chief operating officer.

A spokeswoman with Infraero, a Brazilian government agency that oversees airport infrastructure, said that airlines had been asked by federal authorities to add another layer of security for international flights originating in the country after the attempted attack in the U.S.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because she was not authorized to discuss the matter, said that passengers would face an extra screening that would take place just before they boarded planes. She would give no more details, citing security concerns.

David Castelveter, a spokesman for the Air Transport Association, said the domestic airline industry has been in close coordination with the security administration since Friday's incident and there will be increased scrutiny of passengers. He declined to comment on whether new regulations have been put in place.

[devil21]

the plan is to ban most people from flying on airplans, with the exemption of a few, such as members of Congress, Presidents, and other rulling classes, and the very rich who can pay for the comming carbon credits.

All of these secrutiy rules are ment to train people obey the goverment, and get them mad as hell that they dont want to fly any more.

That's an astute point. Makes me wonder about "peak oil" a little more too.

[Danke]

Now you must remain in your seat an hour before landing. I hope no one has to pee.

Could be a business opportunity, sell Depends at the airport.

http://img.alibaba.com/photo/50979235/Diaper_Vending_Machine.jpg

[cheapseats]

Why don't they name the chemical? What was it? How does it work? Was there any real threat?



I would like an answer to these question myself.


In the meantime, it behooves American Moms to cease buying ALL drink mixes.

[cheapseats]

But in all seriousness, it just goes to show that government security is incompetent.


Meaningless, except as it erodes the morale of the citizenry.

ANY SUICIDE BOMBER COULD WALK INTO ANY AIRPORT OR SHOPPING MALL ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, AND BLOW IT SKY HIGH.

Is the bottleneck at the gate perhaps because Powers That Be value the hardware of airplanes more than they value the software of people, and because Powers That Be fear the spectacle of being caught over a barrel more than they fear a catastrophe?

[cheapseats]

the plan is to ban most people from flying on airplanes...

A stationery people is infinitely easier to control.




All of these secrutiy rules are ment to train people obey the goverment...


I had this argument with a Bitter Clinger just this morning who, in response to my rant about the Touch & Seizure Agency, threw up her hands and said WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE, IF IT KEEPS AIR TRAVEL SAFE?

The difference, I said -- setting aside the dubious claim that it renders air travel safe -- is that people who will mildly submit to being patted down by a stranger wearing a uniform/badge will mildly submit to a great many other things as well.

THIS WAY, MADAM, THE VIEWS FROM THE BOXCAR ARE LOVELY THIS TIME OF YEAR.

[Matt Collins]

Now you must remain in your seat an hour before landing. I hope no one has to pee.How would that have prevented the incident yesterday? :confused:

And what about flights that are less than 1 hour? :rolleyes: