1913 all over again...

[SimpleName]

The comparison is loose, but does the obamacare vote at all remind you guys of the passing of the Federal Reserve Act. The circumstances are different and I'm sure they'll be many more members present. The idea, though, of pushing a nation-changing (for the worse) bill through right before Christmas...ugh. And so we go into the next stage of the destruction of the United States, just in time to ruin our joyous holiday.

[Kotin]

the "independent" board that is established under the bill is way too similar..


just like the fed, its big government and private crony capitalists working together to screw us.. but this time its within the medical arena not banking.

yup..

[RideTheDirt]

When I heard they planned on passing it on Christmas eve I couldn't help but think the same thing.

[dealerjim]

DeJaVu for sure... :(

[Matt Collins]

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[LDA]

"Merry Christmas, kids! Just so you know, this might be the last year dad can buy presents. A year from now, I'll probably still be unemployed and we'll be barely scraping by...and that's assuming that we haven't had a severe economic downturn by then. But, hey...at least Obama and the Democrats are driving down costs for all!"

[idirtify]

Of course this thread has a good point and gov is to blame, but what/who else deserves blame? A general failure on the part of the freedom movement(s) to address the underlying problem and educate the masses about it would appear to be the real culprit. The silence on the real cause of high medical costs (and insurance) was/is deafening. I don’t think I have ever witnessed more silent hypocrisy surrounding an issue; and I’m including drug prohibition. Even RP truncated his answers when it came to REALLY explaining why govt HC is an unreasonable solution to high medical costs. And the HC threads here are proof of the lack of focus on the real problem, where only an extreme minority of posts mentions it. Well guess what happens when problems don’t get addressed? They don’t get fixed!

The real cause of high costs is over-regulation by government, which stifles healthy (price-lowering and quality-raising) competition from small business. Until far more people start to harp on this core issue, nothing will improve. I suspect all those who neglect to discuss the real problem are motivated by their unreasonable fear of the free-market and the elimination of all those “safety regulations”. Ask yourself: Do YOU fear the freedom?

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Of course this thread has a good point and gov is to blame, but what/who else deserves blame? A general failure on the part of the freedom movement(s) to address the underlying problem and educate the masses about it would appear to be the real culprit. The silence on the real cause of high medical costs (and insurance) was/is deafening. I don’t think I have ever witnessed more silent hypocrisy surrounding an issue; and I’m including drug prohibition. Even RP truncated his answers when it came to REALLY explaining why govt HC is an unreasonable solution to high medical costs. And the HC threads here are proof of the lack of focus on the real problem, where only an extreme minority of posts mentions it. Well guess what happens when problems don’t get addressed? They don’t get fixed!

The real cause of high costs is over-regulation by government, which stifles healthy (price-lowering and quality-raising) competition from small business. Until far more people start to harp on this core issue, nothing will improve. I suspect all those who neglect to discuss the real problem are motivated by their unreasonable fear of the free-market and the elimination of all those “safety regulations”. Ask yourself: Do YOU fear the freedom?

Actually, its regulation and intervention in general which stifles competition. End regulation (Like the FDA, AMA collusion, Licensing requirements, etc.), and intervention (Medicaid, Medicare, SCHIP, VA, etc.) and prices will decline rapidly.

I like these to persuade:

http://blog.mises.org/archives/010460.asp

YouTube - US Health Care in Crisis - An Interview with Dr. Mary Ruwart by Freedomain Radio (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0Crxm4deDM)

YouTube - Dr. Mary Ruwart on Health Care (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HblmoQX5qI8)

[aravoth]

The comparison is loose, but does the obamacare vote at all remind you guys of the passing of the Federal Reserve Act?

The comparison is not loose. In fact in it's spirit, it is as close to history repeating itself as you can get.

[Gideon]

The Republic has gone the way of the Dodo...

Long Gone!

If the generations of sheople can tolerate, and even love the FRN (Stockholm Syndrome anyone?), then that same majority will clamor for health-care reform.

Regardless of whether 51% are for or against, the Big Pharma financed FDA will ensure that "reform" passes.

Ultimately, the issue is the FRN.

Free market money produces free-market solutions, including medical care.

The Founders knew this, but the current generation of Americans is a herd of clueless followers who just want to "go along to get along."

Merry Christmas!

[HOLLYWOOD]

Regardless of whether 51% are for or against, the Big Pharma financed FDA will ensure that "reform" passes.

Ultimately, the issue is the FRN.

Free market money produces free-market solutions, including medical care.

The Founders knew this, but the current generation of Americans is a herd of clueless followers who just want to "go along to get along."

Merry Christmas!

$130 MILLION spent on Capital Hill in Q3/ 90 days... Guess who's going to win on this deal? Over a $1/3 of Billion in the first 9 months of 2009 Imagine what Q4 and all these BS will mount to?

http://i533.photobucket.com/albums/ee332/McLieberman/Health_Care_Lobbying.jpg

[idirtify]

Actually, its regulation and intervention in general which stifles competition. End regulation (Like the FDA, AMA collusion, Licensing requirements, etc.), and intervention (Medicaid, Medicare, SCHIP, VA, etc.) and prices will decline rapidly.



yes. good point. I agree!

[Dieseler]

1913 type shit.
It's not just for 1913...



1913

[andrewh817]

The funny thing about this bill is that the taxes go into effect IMMEDIATELY but the so called health care benefits don't come for a few years.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The funny thing about this bill is that the taxes go into effect IMMEDIATELY but the so called health care benefits don't come for a few years.

Not only that how hypocritical do you have to be to use the "People are dying everyday we need to vote on this NOW!", yet it doesn't go into affect for 4-5 years. WHAT BULLSHIT. Someone call this out for god's sake. We have lost all logic and reason in this country. It's truly sad. Fuck democracy.