Rachel Maddow Recycles Falsehoods Against the John Birch Society

[FrankRep]

Rachel Maddow: Talkin' John Birch Society (fact-checked version)
YouTube - Rachel Maddow: Talkin' John Birch Society (fact-checked version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp7cWrw6h2c)



MSNBC's Rachel Maddow launched an error-riddled attack against the John Birch Society in her December 18 show, nominally because the John Birch Society has become a sponsor of the upcoming February 2010 Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) in Washington. By Thomas R. Eddlem


Rachel Maddow Recycles Falsehoods Against the John Birch Society (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/2602-rachel-maddow-recycles-falsehoods-against-the-john-birch-society)


Thomas R. Eddlem | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
21 December 2009


MSNBC's Rachel Maddow launched an error-riddled attack against the John Birch Society in her December 18 show, nominally because the John Birch Society has become a sponsor (http://cpac.org/sponsors.html) of the upcoming February 2010 Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, D.C.

In addition to falsely claiming the John Birch Society labeled fluoridation of water a “communist mind-control plot” (it never did), Maddow claimed (http://tiny.cc/4qUEN):



And they contended that the secret conspiracy to destroy America encompassed everything from that darned fluoride to the League of Women Voters and the Civil Rights Act. The John Birch Society was in fact so opposed to civil rights that they responded to the Supreme Court's Brown v. Board of Education decision to desegregate schools with billboards calling for the impeachment of the Supreme Court's Chief Justice.


But just like her erroneous claim that the JBS had opposed fluoridation as a communist mind control plot (it actually opposed fluoridation as a precedent for the socialized medicine Maddow supports and, incidentally, was part of the Soviet communist state), the other claims were false as well.

While the JBS did support the impeachment of Earl Warren for ignoring the limits of the U.S. Constitution by expanding federal powers almost without limit (not for ending discrimination against African-Americans in the South), the JBS did not call the League of Women Voters part of the communist plot.

Ironically, Maddow accused the John Birch Society of widely ruining people's reputations by unfounded accusations while doing the same herself:



I'm sure they've ruined people's lives as being sort of fueling (sic) McCarthyism and I'm sure they've had some really bad impact on American politics. But they are so conspiratorial. I mean, these are the New World Order black helicopter folks, aren't they?


Actually, no, Ms. Maddow. They aren't.

The John Birch Society was always among the responsible conservatives who checked their facts and dispelled all the wild black helicopter rumors. This author played a part in researching a 1994 John Birch Society article (published by its affiliate The New American magazine) written by William F. Jasper that thoroughly debunked the black helicopter rumors (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fact_and_fiction.htm).

Maddow said she's “sure” the John Birch Society has “ruined people's lives,” but never bothers to name them. This is, of course, because there are none to name. She simply made the accusation without doing any research.

Responding to Maddow's question about the John Birch Society belonging to the “black helicopter” crowd, Thomas Frank, columnist for the Wall Street Journal and author of The Wrecking Crew: How Conservatives Rule (http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/08/07/frank_wrecking/index.html), Frank noted that the John Birch Society had brought “conspiracy” theory to the conservative movement:



That's exactly right. And that's what their sort of gift is to the mainstream conservative movement. I mean, we always talk about the John Birch Society as the fringe of the fringe, as you were saying earlier. But you have to remember that they also, that they also gave the conservative movement something very important, which is conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theory is utterly central to the conservative understanding of the world. I don't know if you have ever heard this phrase before “the liberal elite.”


On this one point, Frank made a valid point. Conspiracies are less a theory than a fact of history. A conspiracy is simply an immoral plan between two or more people that is in whole or in part organized in secret. There have been lesser and greater conspiracies throughout all of human history. Frank's book The Wrecking Crew (http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/08/07/frank_wrecking/index.html) speaks about this same thing – conspiracy, though he does not call it that – with respect to no-bid contracts under the Bush administration:

“Fantastic misgovernment of the kind we have seen is not an accident, nor is it the work of a few bad individuals. It is the consequence of triumph by a particular philosophy of government, by a movement that understands the liberal state as a perversion and considers the market the ideal nexus of human society.”

Ironically, Frank accuses virtually every Republican of being part of an ideological and conspiratorial plot in his book, and Maddow gets the view of conspiracies exactly backward:



They [the JBS] had the fantastically conspiratorial view of communism where communism weren't just the Soviet Union, communists were all around us. I mean, like, every other person was a communist and they were all keeping quiet about it was the amazing thing, you know.


Actually, it's the people who think that communism is a popular movement — or neoconservatism, in Frank's mind — who believe that everyone's in on the plot. The John Birch Society was always cautious in accusing people of being part of a conspiracy, because it knew that conspiracies most often involve only a handful at their core. Conspiracies are by their very nature most often secret because they represent unpopular movements, though they often try to co-opt popular movements. Maddow goes on to claim of the Birch Society:



Well, and they also thought that the government of the Soviet Union and the government of the United States were both being run by the same secret people that there was invisible government above them both, that we needed to be ferreting out. Not only in government, but among their neighbors and among every other element of power. And that sort of witch-hunting conspiratorial attitude about the world, What I'm worried about is that the John Birch Society being brought into a group like CPAC means that the right is now once again embracing the conspiracists among them.


Much of MSNBC's recent coverage has been devoted to the congressional action (or lack thereof) on healthcare. The position of MSNBC is that Republicans are conspiring to stop the Democrat's healthcare plan. Maddow has floated conspiracy theories herself (http://tiny.cc/4M1Ak) in the recent past. Of course, any other leftist but Maddow might lead me to quip that she only believes in Republican conspiracies.

But Maddow has been praised by this writer (http://thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/1150) for her critique of President Obama's announced policy of indefinite preventative detention without trial as being “so good, and so dead-on, that every patriotic American should see it.” And I still say they should. That video segment proved she's not in lock-step with the Democratic leadership, but it also proves that many of the same policies — in this case the Bush policy of indefinite detention without trial — continues from administration to administration despite campaign promises. The John Birch Society brings an awareness of this continuity of bad policy to the conservative movement.

Maddow made numerous factual mistakes in her video segment, but I won't use this occasion for condemnations. Maddow should simply be reminded that if the John Birch Society has occasionally made mistakes that she has done no better than it with her recent segment on the Society. Likewise, she should be reminded that the Society had joined her in criticism of the Bush administration's worst excesses, from the war in Iraq to the indefinite detention without trial to torture to surveillance without warrants.

If she wants the conservative movement to recover from the excesses of the Bush era with its attack on the Bill of Rights, she should welcome the JBS joining the CPAC conference rather than condemning it. Only JBS leadership over the conservative movement would restore the moderation of rule under the limits of the U.S. Constitution.


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/2602-rachel-maddow-recycles-falsehoods-against-the-john-birch-society

[Bruno]

Rachel is a purposeful deceiver, aside from being rather annoying.

[gb13]

Rachel is a purposeful deceiver, aside from being rather annoying.

Not to mention, unattractive.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Maddow, Olberman, John Stewart, Matthews..etc etc all socialists/ communists..terrible. The only reason they gave Ron Paul any time was because he slammed Bush and the neo cons...they would NEVER be onboard with Ron Paul's philosophy...tones

[HOLLYWOOD]

Rachel is a purposeful deceiver, aside from being rather annoying.


Rachel Maddow like Kieth Uberhatermann... watch everything they do closely... They both Parse and take excerpts out of context that changes the whole intention of the original presenter/communicator's message.

Notoriously know as Lefty Liberal "Dicing -N- Splicing". Now you know why they want to be labeled as progressives... Elaborate gimmicks of completely changing a story to their trans formative likens. all to push their own agendas.

Maddow's head is clouded with her "Sour Grape" Singular Ideologies hatred for anyone against; socialism, gay marriage, enforced national health Insurance reform.

Maddow is not Journalism, she's more a TV talking head with a Marxist agenda on satisfaction of HER ideologies... she should be on the Comedy Channel, better yet, MTV.

[FrankRep]

The John Birch Society Announces CPAC 2010 Cosponsorship

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=222935

[Brian4Liberty]

So Rachel Maddow the communist is unfairly attacking an anti-communist organization? Can't be too surprised...

[Reason]

labels are dumb

[SelfTaught]

What Rachel should know is that there are plenty of socialists/communists surrounding us. They just go by a different name like progressives, liberals, the social justice crowd, or some other BS.

[coyote_sprit]

Rachel is a purposeful deceiver, aside from being rather annoying.

And she looks like a butch.

[RM918]

Not to mention, unattractive.

Is this really necessary? While Maddow is a smug, holier-than-thou elitist who only knows that Blue is Good and Red is Bad, and thus paints everything to fit into that idea accordingly, calling someone 'unattractive' when they do something you don't like is about the most juvenile, petty and spiteful thing you could do. There's always at least one person that does something like this in a thread about someone, and I think it's just one of the reasons why people continue to feel good about not taking us seriously.

[SelfTaught]

And she looks like a butch.

That's the point. I think that's the look she's going for. I bet she tells her make-up artists to accentuate her adam's apple.

[coyote_sprit]

Is this really necessary? While Maddow is a smug, holier-than-thou elitist who only knows that Blue is Good and Red is Bad, and thus paints everything to fit into that idea accordingly, calling someone 'unattractive' when they do something you don't like is about the most juvenile, petty and spiteful thing you could do. There's always at least one person that does something like this in a thread about someone, and I think it's just one of the reasons why people continue to feel good about not taking us seriously.

Everyone knows Rachel Maddow is ugly, I'd point it out even if she was on my side.

[messana]

I thought it was obvious that she's (openly) gay.

[FrankRep]

Rachel Maddow: Talkin' John Birch Society (fact-checked version)

MSM hireling, Rachel Maddow of MSNBC (General Electric - recipient of $140 Billion in taxpayer bailout money) decided it was time to swat down that pesky John Birch Society again. How dare they plan to show up at a meeting (CPAC 2010) of respectable conservatives. This is the "fact-checked version" satirical response to the Rachel Maddow show of December 18, 2009.


YouTube - Rachel Maddow: Talkin' John Birch Society (fact-checked version) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp7cWrw6h2c)

[FrankRep]

Attacks keep coming....


CPAC: Consciously Providing Ammo to Critics (http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/cpac-consciously-providing-ammo-to-critics/)


Pajamas Media
December 22, 2009


The writers of The Daily Show, Colbert Report, and Saturday Night Live (although I’m not convinced they’ve even had writers lately) can have February 18-20, 2010, off. The hosts can handle it themselves. On those dates, the jokes will practically write themselves as the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) takes place — co-sponsored by the John Birch Society. Every liberal commentator needs to send a thank-you note to CPAC’s organizers for that monumentally stupid decision.

By having the John Birch Society sponsor it, CPAC can guarantee that 90% of the coverage regarding the conference will relate to JBS’ oh-my-god-look-a-conspiracy attitude rather than the heavy-hitters and rising stars of conservatism and libertarianism that speak there. Instead of focusing on politics, reporters will ask attendees for their response to the JBS controversy and will ask organizers whether they are in such financial distress that they had to embrace a fringe group for support.

Here’s a little history on JBS for those of you that may not understand why this issue is going to overshadow any agenda pursued at the conference. The organization was founded in 1958 by Robert Welch, a businessman concerned about communist infiltration of the U.S. It is understandable why people would initially be drawn into his fold, given advances internationally by hostile communist powers and their intense espionage efforts in the West. However, Welch, apparently believing in the supreme competence of government, could not fathom that the U.S. government failed to halt such advances unless it secretly sympathized with the enemy’s success. A conspiracy theory that the European and American governments were secretly pursuing a socialist one-world government to merge our societies with that of the communists was born.

William F. Buckley Jr. was one of the most prominent critics of JBS, aware that its paranoia undermined efforts by the political right to give more attention to the menacing threat posed by the communists. Buckley wrote that Welch “said Dwight D. Eisenhower was a ‘dedicated, conscious agent of the communist conspiracy,’ and that the government of the United States was ‘under operational control of the Communist Party.’ It was, he said in the summer of 1961, ‘50-70 percent’ communist-controlled.”

Today, many decent people are still part of JBS, some of whom don’t fully accept its theories. They are anti-globalist, favor a U.S. withdrawal from the United Nations, are socially conservative, and want to dramatically reduce spending and the size of government. With the Republican Party viewed by many conservatives as having betrayed its principles, it’s not a surprise that a group would be embraced as long as it is upholding conservative ideals, even if it has some wacky theories.

JBS is also very aggressive in its recruiting efforts. I remember being 15 or 16 years old, and I had just published my first couple of articles on the Internet. As I did some research, I decided to try a trial subscription of The New American, which is owned by JBS. Very soon after, I was emailed and then visited by a representative of the organization trying pretty forcefully to sell me a full subscription and educate me about the new world order conspiracy. I was introduced to a myriad of organizations that acted as fronts for the new world order agents and shown how virtually everyone of significance in politics and the media was part of them. He boasted of the summer camps the group ran to educate youngsters in great things like the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and, of course, the manipulation carried out by the freedom-hating globalist forces. “Be leery of Bush and Cheney,” I was warned, due to the vice president’s membership in the Council on Foreign Relations. The conspiracy warned about by Welch still existed today, albeit in a more modern manifestation.

In 2002 and 2003, I read some free issues of The New American and couldn’t get past why, if the Bush administration was supposedly involved in this conspiracy, it would raise the ire of many of the world’s countries (also said to be involved in the NWO) by acting without UN approval in invading Iraq. I remember reading an article explaining that the U.S. had begun Operation Iraqi Freedom to enforce UN law as part of the conspiracy, not for national security reasons. Other articles entertained the idea that the American people had been deliberately misled to support the war.

Ironically, in warning about such conspiracies, JBS undermines a crucial argument of conservatism: that the government becomes far less competent as it grows. Think about it. Such theories require that both U.S. political parties, despite all their differences, unite for a choreographed effort to bring about a socialist new world order in concert with a host of other countries, political parties, and businessmen. Tens of thousands of people must be involved with complete devotion, with none defecting out of moral conviction, and all resisting the temptation to become rich and famous by exposing the conspiracy. Now, that’s competence! If they can pull that off, then government-run health care is a cinch!

The whole problem with JBS’ arguments is that big government is not flawlessly competent. Look at Katrina. Look at Iraq. A massive conspiracy on this order cannot be carried out without betrayal and leaks taking place. If governments like Iran and China, with all their brutality, can’t keep their secrets from getting out, how can a greater number of countries and powerful individuals and organizations with greater restraint on enforcing their secrecy pull it off?

The most concerning element of this development is the question of how much influence JBS will have over CPAC, an event whose importance in the conservative movement can’t be understated. Is this simply a reflection of the dissatisfaction of conservatives, willing to find just somebody to uphold small government? Is this a reflection of libertarians just looking for somebody to oppose overseas wars and the war on drugs, and push more radical policies than most conservatives are willing to consider?

CPAC has made a major PR mistake in forming this alliance with JBS. It won’t be long until the media puts all those taking part on the defensive, forcing the organizers to spend precious time explaining this move. From now on, when I hear the acronym “CPAC,” I won’t think “Conservative Political Action Conference.” I’ll think “Consciously Providing Ammo to Critics.”


SOURCE:
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/cpac-consciously-providing-ammo-to-critics/

[LibertyPulse.com]

Great post!

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Hey Pajamas and Rachel Maddow. Go read the Communist Planks, then come back and tell me how many America currently follows. Jackasses.


10 point program
1 - Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2 - A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3 - Abolition of all right of inheritance.
4 - Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5 - Centralisation of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6 - Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7 - Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8 - Equal liability of all to labour. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9 - Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of the population over the country.
10 - Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.


Now contrast that, and what we currently follow under them (Hint: most), to our original foundation:


When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Let's see....Pajamas, are you for Marx, or Jefferson? JBS is a much more welcomed respite from the damn joke the GOP is. While I disagree with some of their more social conservative views vehemently, they are generally pretty good on other issues, that are vitally more important. Of course I would rather have seen the Mises Institute co-sponsor :p, since the JBS is not even near radical enough for my tastes.

[FrankRep]

JBS Update:


Rachel Maddow will be reacting to Mr. Eddlem's article (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/2602-rachel-maddow-recycles-falsehoods-against-the-john-birch-society) on her show tonight...tune in, if you can.


MSNBC - 9:00PM Eastern Time


John Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/

The New American
http://www.TheNewAmerican.com/

[Bruno]

Any "New World Order" conspiracy theories or claims JBS has made in the past 50 years have only been confirmed by every world leader and the MSM mentioning ushering in a "New World Order" constantly over the past year.

[Dieseler]

Rachel was exceedingly amused by the fact that Republican Senators had "Caved" on their promise to filibuster until Valentines day if need be and thrilled to announce that the debate would end and a quick vote on the death of OUR HEALTH CARE SYSTEM would take place on Christmas Eve morning.

[RM918]

JBS Update:


Rachel Maddow will be reacting to Mr. Eddlem's article (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/2602-rachel-maddow-recycles-falsehoods-against-the-john-birch-society) on her show tonight...tune in, if you can.


MSNBC - 9:00PM Eastern Time


John Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/

The New American
http://www.TheNewAmerican.com/

Really? A reason to watch MSNBC beyond the documentaries, I suppose.

[FrankRep]

Dec 23: Rachel Maddow attacks the John Birch Society.... Again

YouTube - Rachel Maddow smacks-down the John Birch society. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUYbMgoUJ3g)


Rachel Maddow Lavishes Christmas Presents on John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/blog/rachel-maddow-lavishes-christmas-presents-on-john-birch-society.html)


Jim Capo | John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/)
Dec 24, 2009


A big thank you to Rachel Maddow for making us a last minute add to the MSNBC Christmas list for 2009. We've been enjoying her thoughtful presents.

Keeping in the jolly Christmas spirit that Rachel has established, our response to her follow-up reportage (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34581121) on The John Birch Society Wednesday night is, "Ho! Ho! Ho!"

For your own hearty chuckle, we ask that you take a closer look at what she infers we said in her latest monologue* versus what we really said.

On the Civil Rights movement...Yes, we did end up on the losing side of trying to stop the expansion of federal government control over our lives under that banner. However, The John Birch Society never endorsed segregation. The John Birch Society argued that the federal government should stay within its constitutionally defined restrictions of power. It argued for Jim Crow laws to be repealed at the state level.

Admittedly, that route would likely have taken longer and left the many victims of Jim Crow laws wanting. And yes, we admit that most of the leaders of The John Birch Society not being directly affected by the worst elements of segregation, could more freely choose to stand on the principle that the Federal government, restricted by the U.S. Constitution, had no authority to enact the civil rights laws.

Taken in the proper context, The John Birch Society statement Ms. Maddow quoted regarding Chief Justice Earl Warren needing to be impeached for exceeding the constitutional authority of his office in Brown v. Board of Education cannot be equated to being segregationist. This is just the conclusion the fast talking Maddow wants her viewers to jump to. The very quote Maddow posts to attack us on this, makes this clear. Read the quote. We stand by it. Don't listen to Maddow's affected interpretation of it.

The clearly stated purpose of The John Birch Society campaign to impeach Earl Warren was to stop the Supreme Court of the United States from furthering a precedence to make law by judicial decree rather than interpret law. That is, the Supreme Court and its Chief Justice need to follow their oath of office to stay within the restrictions placed on them by the Constitution of the United States.

The position of The John Birch Society and its founder was that the strife in the segregated South was being used to further the expansion of federal power through the Supreme Court. This concept of fighting against an activist judiciary, is perhaps anathema to many of Rachel Maddow's followers, but it is a long standing campaign supported by most of those who will be attending the upcoming CPAC conference.

And, yes, while were at it, and for the record, The John Birch Society is against "civil" rights. That's because rights granted by civil authorities are no rights at all. They are privileges. They reduce the concept of unalienable rights coming from nature and nature's God to arbitrary privileges doled out by the most capricious of sources — governments ruled by men.

The federal government of the United States was founded to protect our pre-existing rights. It was not created as a source of privileges masquerading as rights.

Anyone who believes that civil privileges are as good as unalienable rights need only look at the deferences made to civil law in making the case for suspension of habeus corpus, the use of torture on untried detainees, and the warrantless surveillance of any and all people.

To be sure, when criminals are in charge, even unalienable rights fall under threat. That is why it loosening the chains of the Constitution, which were designed to shackle government not the people, is such a dangerous course to follow — no matter how noble the cause given as an excuse by those seeking more power over others.

In Maddow's latest outing of the Birch Society let us also give one "ho" of a chuckle to her fact-checkers' discovery of the word "negro" in early 60's Birch literature. "Negro" of course was the term in vogue for African-Americans back in the day when real newsmen could still be found on national TV. Use of the word is hardly prima facie evidence of racism as Maddow seems to want to pass it off as.

As for the certainly more stunning full phrase, "Negro Soviet Republic," Maddow is also in error to imply that this was a phrase and concept cooked up by the tin foil hat crowd of the day running the John Birch Society. It was in fact a real initiative (http://www.history.unimelb.edu.au/about/staff/keys-HistorianAfricanAmerican09.pdf) launched by mass murderer (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/european/761), and Roosevelt drinking buddy (http://www.winexmagazine.com/index.php/wine/viewdrink/designer-martinis/), papa Joe Stalin himself 30 years earlier, just as The John Birch Society quote used by Maddow on communists stirring racist fears in the United States correctly indicates. The John Birch Society did not make this provocative phrase up. Stalin did. And yes, most people to this day believe that Stalin was a communist.

As for our comments regarding another famous communist Comrade Mandela (http://www.sacp.org.za/main.php?include=docs/pr/2005/pr0718.html) — we don't deny that enough good press can set any one up as an inspiration. In fact, if we had the $139 billion dollars of taxpayer bailout money Ms. Maddow's corporate parent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSNBC) General Electric recently received (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?sid=a4JmrNtu4Fpw&pid=20601087), we think we could even make The John Birch Society an inspiration for rugby players.

The fact remains that Comrade Mandela's African National Congress (ANC) has maintained a working alliance (http://www.sacp.org.za/main.php?include=docs/history/1990/history.html) with the South African Communist Party (SACP) going back at least as far as 1928 — not withstanding the current row (http://www.timeslive.co.za/news/local/article236601.ece) over ANC charges that the SACP is plotting to take it over outright.

Our defense for using "terrorist" and "thug" as preceding adjectives to Comrade Madela's name, is because we have chosen to judge a man by the company he keeps. In this case, we point to his wife Winnie Mandela, who had a woman's penchant for necklaces - except only when worn by other people (her black opponents) as they were slowly burned to death. (See April 1986 (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/mandela/etc/cron.html) — Yeah, we enjoy PBS too)

Mandela's Nobel Peace Prize of 1993 is no absolution of his character and history either. It was only a year later (http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/1994/) that the Nobel committee confirmed that you can be a "communist terrorist thug" and still win their peace prize.

Note: That you can be the spokesperson (http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/president-obama/) for the escalation of a war of aggression on a country on the other side of the planet (http://www.jbs.org/jbs-community/groups/viewgroup/218-Birch+Health+Care+Plan) and be awarded a peace prize for your efforts, was no shock to regular members of The John Birch Society.

Another item we need to get clear on — the use of the word "communist." Maddow seems really hung up on this. Let's clarify quickly.

When the John Birch Society was founded in 1958 — after Brown v. Board of Education, after the McCarthy era, and after Robert Welch had made several disparaging remarks in an analysis (http://www.amazon.com/Politician-Robert-Welch/dp/9990864985) of General Eisenhower (http://www.scribd.com/doc/13285641/Antony-Sutton-Wall-Street-the-Rise-of-Hitler) in a private letter circulated among his associates — the term communist was in vogue. Used in its fully pejorative sense, it was understood to mean someone advocating a system of total government control in a police state-type regime as in Communist China or the Soviet Union. The reason the label was employed so widely by The John Birch Society, was because it was also applied it to anyone, who knowingly or unknowingly, worked to achieve the goals of the communism as detailed in the ten planks (http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html) of the Communist Manifesto.

By the early 60's, The John Birch Society began using an expanded term to describe the enemies of freedom within our own government and society. This term was and remains, "Insiders." We are, however, equally comfortable using the terms "criminal" or "crime syndicate," particularly when describing the kind of people that secretly arrange to transfer hundreds of billions of dollars to corporations (syndicates) that are deemed "too big to fail."

Our definition of an Insider is a person within either of the two wings of our ruling party, or on Wall Street or in academia, who conspiring actively with others, or simply to further their own self-interest, moves our country in the direction of more government and less freedom. An Insider furthers the goals of a small ruling elite that the The John Birch Society believes is constantly at work to maintain and expand it's power. This ruling elite has to work constantly, because many of their fellow travelers are nothing more than well appointed criminals who think nothing of stabbing their comrades in the back if they sense weakness or an opportunity to get ahead at another's expense.

That this ruling elite or "Establishment" exists is not the product of wild imaginings going on in the underground bunkers of The John Birch Society's compound in Appleton, Wisconsin as Ms. Maddow and her employers would like the world to think. The existence of this ruling clique has been documented by people like like Georgetown University historian Carroll Quigley. (This, by the way, is the same Georgetown professor who Bill Clinton called an inspiration in his 1992 presidential nomination acceptance speech (http://www.4president.org/speeches/billclinton1992acceptance.htm).) In his book Tragedy and Hope professor Quigley writes on page 1036 (http://www.scribd.com/doc/17212542/Tragedy-and-Hope-A-History-of-the-World-in-Our-Time-by-Carroll-Quigley):


"[The Eastern Establishment believes that] the two parties should be almost identical, so that [they can control the elections] without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy."

Does this sound plausible? Or, is it a "conspiracy theory?" Professor Quigley continues:


"But either party in office becomes in time corrupt, tired, unenterprising, and vigor-less. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same basic policies."

So, should Obama voters who thought the change they were going to get was less war, less torture, less spying on Americans and less taxpayer money being shoveled into the vaults of Wall Street be surprised? Sorry, but we think the answer is clearly, no, had they been paying attention to information sources other than the likes of MSNBC. For those who don't like getting it straight like this from The John Birch Society, try the same message (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/31234647/obamas_big_sellout) served up by one of our top, double-secret members who writes over at The Rolling Stone

Trust us. We really don't make this stuff up. Even one of our top all-time bad guys, David Rockefeller finally confessed (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller) in his 2002 autobiography Memiors (http://www.amazon.com/David-Rockefeller-Memoirs/dp/0679405887):


"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

To be fair, Rockefeller goes on to explain that someone like himself, ever using his power and wealth to work for the betterment of his fellow man, cannot be called a conspirator. A conspirator must have evil intent. This is critical element that the conspiracy theory issue turns on.

Mr. Rockefeller argues from the position of a benevolent dictator (http://www.lewrockwell.com/jarvis/jarvis87.html). As we read between the lines of his defense and real world history, we sense that it is deemed OK to break a few eggs (http://tiny.cc/1oXoJ) on the way to the one world government omelette that will usher in an era of world peace and prosperity. After all, there are some real bad guys out there!

That Rockefeller and his ilk are working on their new world order (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6277747.stm) gig is not debatable (http://tiny.cc/7ioqt). It's the means and the sincerity of the ends that we are debating. The John Birch Society only asks impartial observers to look at what is happening on Wall Street and in our wars of aggression abroad and make an honest call. Our call is that looting and murder are the means and that domination and tyranny are the ends.

So, at this point we have to stop and ask ourselves what is really going on here? What is the whole point of the Maddow rip on The John Birch Society anyway? Why does she have a problem with the faction of the "conservative" movement that really is for less war, less torture, less spying and less bankster theft showing up at the upcoming CPAC confab?

We think it has something to do with her working for the premier press organ of the General Electric Corporation. The same major defense contractor General Electric that has worked tirelessly to offshore its US production to places like communist China and then has the chutzpah to pilfer $139 billion dollars from U.S. taxpayers to cover up its tracks.

But hey. This is just the first conspiracy theory that popped into our heads after watching Maddow's show last night.

We'll have something better cooked up soon.

Gotta run now to see if there are any presents we missed under the tree.



* We're trying to get through to Maddow's program scheduling office to offer her a spokesperson to go mano a mano with, but they aren't taking our calls. We're, "Shocked...shocked!"


SOURCE:
http://www.jbs.org/blog/rachel-maddow-lavishes-christmas-presents-on-john-birch-society.html

[rpfan2008]

This type of prostitution is legal.

[FrankRep]

This type of prostitution is legal.
They played the same dirty trick with Ron Paul. Remember Ron Paul's "racist letters" from the 80's or something?

[rpfan2008]

Isn't JBS compromised by now?

[FrankRep]

Isn't JBS compromised by now?
The JBS hasn't deviated from it's original message of liberty from 1958. The Democrats and Neo-Con Republicans hate the John Birch Society with a passion. Anytime the JBS is mentioned in a news it is viciously attacked.

Infiltrators have got in from time to time over the years, but they are usually routed out and exposed. We're hated by the establishment because we're not compromised.

[rpfan2008]

The JBS hasn't deviated from it's original message of liberty from 1958. The Democrats and Neo-Con Republicans hate the John Birch Society with a passion. Anytime the JBS is mentioned in a news it is viciously attacked.

This is a very common technique to lure people who understood the nature (but not the composition) of the anomaly. Such attacks make them look anti-status-quo.


Infiltrators have got in from time to time over the years, but they are usually routed out and exposed. We're hated by the establishment because we're not compromised.

Hope you're right, generally movements with a faithful and vigilant grassroots are not easily hijacked.

[jkr]

ONE COULD ARGUE:

the "fringe" of the "fringe" of the "fringe" of is THE FIBER of the "carpet"

[FrankRep]

This is a very common technique to lure people who understood the nature (but not the composition) of the anomaly. Such attacks make them look anti-status-quo.

The JBS and Ron Paul have been working together for years and years. He even celebrated the JBS's 50th Anniversary with us. Ron Paul supports the JBS.


Ron Paul At the 50th Anniversary of JBS

Viddler.com - Ron Paul At the 50th Anniversary of JBS - Uploaded by jbirch (http://www.viddler.com/explore/jbirch/videos/1/?advanced=fa23b1da)

[Knightskye]

What about the "Negro Soviet Republic" thing?

[Flash]

What about the "Negro Soviet Republic" thing?


As for the certainly more stunning full phrase, "Negro Soviet Republic," Maddow is also in error to imply that this was a phrase and concept cooked up by the tin foil hat crowd of the day running the John Birch Society. It was in fact a real initiative launched by mass murderer, and Roosevelt drinking buddy, papa Joe Stalin himself 30 years earlier, just as The John Birch Society quote used by Maddow on communists stirring racist fears in the United States correctly indicates. The John Birch Society did not make this provocative phrase up. Stalin did. And yes, most people to this day believe that Stalin was a communist.

Answered.

[Knightskye]

Answered.

But she said the JBS said the civil rights movement was part of creating it. Is that part true or not?

[Southron]

The JBS is a great organization. I appreciate the stance they have taken against the UN in the past and supporting the fight against the Fed.

I think they are a good co-sponsor of CPAC. What an obvious attempt to generate controversy.

[ChaosControl]

I'd never believe something that a chick who looked more like a male than a female ever said.

[LibertyEagle]

I love how she didn't have the intestinal fortitude to have someone from the JBS on her show to refute her charges. I think I'll send her an email. Anyone else? rachel@msnbc.com

[FrankRep]

Response from the President of the John Birch Society:


Rachel Maddow Exposes Her Youth, Inexperience and Political Correctness

John F. McManus, JBS President
28 December 2009

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=224505

[MichelleHeart]

Maddow, Olberman, John Stewart, Matthews..etc etc all socialists/ communists..terrible. The only reason they gave Ron Paul any time was because he slammed Bush and the neo cons...they would NEVER be onboard with Ron Paul's philosophy...tones

Thank you for saying what needs to be said. All the Jon Stewart worshipers on this forum irritate the hell out of me. I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks Jon Stewart is over-hyped. I don't even think he's moderately funny.