Why do libertarians dislike the Rockefellers so much?

[Howard_Roark]

I know a lot about John D. Rockefeller. He was a Republican. He founded and gave a substantial portion of his net worth to the University of Chicago, which is known for free market economomists such as Milton Friedman. He was a pioneer of the modern corporation and the founder of Exxon Mobil and Chevron. At age 16 he dropped out of high school and walked through Cleveland for 2 weeks to find his first job. He was so frugal, that he made his only son wear his sisters hand me down dress. Once a new employee who didn't know him told him to move his exercise machine away and that he was being annoying using it in the office, and Rockefeller didn't even correct him or get mad and just moved it. In his 50s he was so concerned with philantrhopy he had a mental breakdown and lost all his hair and retired from business and moved to Florida where he spent most of his time golfing, gardening and giving away his money. I admittedly don't know much about his decendants, but everytime I hear the name "Rockefeller" on Libertarian websitesit is with a hatred 2nd to none. I'm just wondering why?

[torchbearer]

it is when "free marketeers" use government force to give themselves protections and welfare that turns them into welfare queen socialist who want to privatize loses and socialize losses.

[risk_reward]

YouTube - ROCKEFELLER EVIL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxC7imP8di8)

[risk_reward]

The Rockefeller family owns the farm that us cattle live on.

[Kotin]

Hahahah!

[FrankRep]

http://www.radioliberty.com/bdr.jpg

In 2002, David Rockefeller authored his autobiography “Memoirs” wherein, on page 405," Mr. Rockefeller writes:


For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.

[FrankRep]

Dick Cheney ex-director of CFR (http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/shadows-of-power.html) talks to David Rockefeller

YouTube - Dick Cheney ex-director of CFR talks to David Rockefeller (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg)

[ramallamamama]

Ya gotta be kidding.


Eugenics and the Nazis -- the California connection

Edwin Black

Sunday, November 9, 2003

Hitler and his henchmen victimized an entire continent and exterminated millions in his quest for a so-called Master Race.

But the concept of a white, blond-haired, blue-eyed master Nordic race didn't originate with Hitler. The idea was created in the United States, and cultivated in California, decades before Hitler came to power. California eugenicists played an important, although little-known, role in the American eugenics movement's campaign for ethnic cleansing.

Eugenics was the pseudoscience aimed at "improving" the human race. In its extreme, racist form, this meant wiping away all human beings deemed "unfit," preserving only those who conformed to a Nordic stereotype. Elements of the philosophy were enshrined as national policy by forced sterilization and segregation laws, as well as marriage restrictions, enacted in 27 states. In 1909, California became the third state to adopt such laws. Ultimately, eugenics practitioners coercively sterilized some 60,000 Americans, barred the marriage of thousands, forcibly segregated thousands in "colonies," and persecuted untold numbers in ways we are just learning. Before World War II, nearly half of coercive sterilizations were done in California, and even after the war, the state accounted for a third of all such surgeries.

California was considered an epicenter of the American eugenics movement. During the 20th century's first decades, California's eugenicists included potent but little-known race scientists, such as Army venereal disease specialist Dr. Paul Popenoe, citrus magnate Paul Gosney, Sacramento banker Charles Goethe, as well as members of the California state Board of Charities and Corrections and the University of California Board of Regents.

Eugenics would have been so much bizarre parlor talk had it not been for extensive financing by corporate philanthropies, specifically the Carnegie Institution, the Rockefeller Foundation and the Harriman railroad fortune. They were all in league with some of America's most respected scientists from such prestigious universities as Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Princeton. These academicians espoused race theory and race science, and then faked and twisted data to serve eugenics' racist aims.

Stanford President David Starr Jordan originated the notion of "race and blood" in his 1902 racial epistle "Blood of a Nation," in which the university scholar declared that human qualities and conditions such as talent and poverty were passed through the blood.

In 1904, the Carnegie Institution established a laboratory complex at Cold Spring Harbor on Long Island that stockpiled millions of index cards on ordinary Americans, as researchers carefully plotted the removal of families, bloodlines and whole peoples. From Cold Spring Harbor, eugenics advocates agitated in the legislatures of America, as well as the nation's social service agencies and associations.

The Harriman railroad fortune paid local charities, such as the New York Bureau of Industries and Immigration, to seek out Jewish, Italian and other immigrants in New York and other crowded cities and subject them to deportation, confinement or forced sterilization.

The Rockefeller Foundation helped found the German eugenics program and even funded the program that Josef Mengele worked in before he went to Auschwitz.

Much of the spiritual guidance and political agitation for the American eugenics movement came from California's quasi-autonomous eugenic societies, such as Pasadena's Human Betterment Foundation and the California branch of the American Eugenics Society, which coordinated much of their activity with the Eugenics Research Society in Long Island. These organizations -- which functioned as part of a closely-knit network -- published racist eugenic newsletters and pseudoscientific journals, such as Eugenical News and Eugenics,

and propagandized for the Nazis.

Eugenics was born as a scientific curiosity in the Victorian age. In 1863,

Sir Francis Galton, a cousin of Charles Darwin, theorized that if talented people married only other talented people, the result would be measurably better offspring. At the turn of the last century, Galton's ideas were imported to the United States just as Gregor Mendel's principles of heredity were rediscovered. American eugenics advocates believed with religious fervor that the same Mendelian concepts determining the color and size of peas, corn and cattle also governed the social and intellectual character of man.

In a United States demographically reeling from immigration upheaval and torn by post-Reconstruction chaos, race conflict was everywhere in the early 20th century. Elitists, utopians and so-called progressives fused their smoldering race fears and class bias with their desire to make a better world. They reinvented Galton's eugenics into a repressive and racist ideology. The intent: Populate the Earth with vastly more of their own socioeconomic and biological kind -- and less or none of everyone else.

The superior species the eugenics movement sought was populated not merely by tall, strong, talented people. Eugenicists craved blond, blue-eyed Nordic types. This group alone, they believed, was fit to inherit the Earth. In the process, the movement intended to subtract emancipated Negroes, immigrant Asian laborers, Indians, Hispanics, East Europeans, Jews, dark- haired hill folk, poor people, the infirm and anyone classified outside the gentrified genetic lines drawn up by American raceologists.

How? By identifying so-called defective family trees and subjecting them to lifelong segregation and sterilization programs to kill their bloodlines. The grand plan was to literally wipe away the reproductive capability of those deemed weak and inferior -- the so-called unfit. The eugenicists hoped to neutralize the viability of 10 percent of the population at a sweep, until none were left except themselves.

Eighteen solutions were explored in a Carnegie-supported 1911 "Preliminary Report of the Committee of the Eugenic Section of the American Breeder's Association to Study and to Report on the Best Practical Means for Cutting Off the Defective Germ-Plasm in the Human Population." Point No. 8 was euthanasia.

The most commonly suggested method of eugenicide in the United States was a "lethal chamber" or public, locally operated gas chambers. In 1918, Popenoe, the Army venereal disease specialist during World War I, co-wrote the widely used textbook, "Applied Eugenics," which argued, "From an historical point of view, the first method which presents itself is execution . . . Its value in keeping up the standard of the race should not be underestimated." "Applied Eugenics" also devoted a chapter to "Lethal Selection," which operated "through the destruction of the individual by some adverse feature of the environment, such as excessive cold, or bacteria, or by bodily deficiency."

Eugenic breeders believed American society was not ready to implement an organized lethal solution. But many mental institutions and doctors practiced improvised medical lethality and passive euthanasia on their own. One institution in Lincoln, Ill., fed its incoming patients milk from tubercular cows believing a eugenically strong individual would be immune. Thirty to 40 percent annual death rates resulted at Lincoln. Some doctors practiced passive eugenicide one newborn infant at a time. Others doctors at mental institutions engaged in lethal neglect.

Nonetheless, with eugenicide marginalized, the main solution for eugenicists was the rapid expansion of forced segregation and sterilization, as well as more marriage restrictions. California led the nation, performing nearly all sterilization procedures with little or no due process. In its first 25 years of eugenics legislation, California sterilized 9,782 individuals, mostly women. Many were classified as "bad girls," diagnosed as "passionate," "oversexed" or "sexually wayward." At the Sonoma State Home, some women were sterilized because of what was deemed an abnormally large clitoris or labia.

In 1933 alone, at least 1,278 coercive sterilizations were performed, 700 on women. The state's two leading sterilization mills in 1933 were Sonoma State Home with 388 operations and Patton State Hospital with 363 operations. Other sterilization centers included Agnews, Mendocino, Napa, Norwalk, Stockton and Pacific Colony state hospitals.

Even the U.S. Supreme Court endorsed aspects of eugenics. In its infamous 1927 decision, Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes wrote, "It is better for all the world, if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind . . . Three generations of imbeciles are enough." This decision opened the floodgates for thousands to be coercively sterilized or otherwise persecuted as subhuman. Years later, the Nazis at the Nuremberg trials quoted Holmes' words in their own defense.

Only after eugenics became entrenched in the United States was the campaign transplanted into Germany, in no small measure through the efforts of California eugenicists, who published booklets idealizing sterilization and circulated them to German officials and scientists.

Hitler studied American eugenics laws. He tried to legitimize his anti- Semitism by medicalizing it, and wrapping it in the more palatable pseudoscientific facade of eugenics. Hitler was able to recruit more followers among reasonable Germans by claiming that science was on his side. Hitler's race hatred sprung from his own mind, but the intellectual outlines of the eugenics Hitler adopted in 1924 were made in America.

During the '20s, Carnegie Institution eugenic scientists cultivated deep personal and professional relationships with Germany's fascist eugenicists. In "Mein Kampf," published in 1924, Hitler quoted American eugenic ideology and openly displayed a thorough knowledge of American eugenics. "There is today one state," wrote Hitler, "in which at least weak beginnings toward a better conception (of immigration) are noticeable. Of course, it is not our model German Republic, but the United States."

Hitler proudly told his comrades just how closely he followed the progress of the American eugenics movement. "I have studied with great interest," he told a fellow Nazi, "the laws of several American states concerning prevention of reproduction by people whose progeny would, in all probability, be of no value or be injurious to the racial stock."

Hitler even wrote a fan letter to American eugenics leader Madison Grant, calling his race-based eugenics book, "The Passing of the Great Race," his "bible."

Now, the American term "Nordic" was freely exchanged with "Germanic" or "Aryan." Race science, racial purity and racial dominance became the driving force behind Hitler's Nazism. Nazi eugenics would ultimately dictate who would be persecuted in a Reich-dominated Europe, how people would live, and how they would die. Nazi doctors would become the unseen generals in Hitler's war against the Jews and other Europeans deemed inferior. Doctors would create the science, devise the eugenic formulas, and hand-select the victims for sterilization, euthanasia and mass extermination.

During the Reich's early years, eugenicists across America welcomed Hitler's plans as the logical fulfillment of their own decades of research and effort. California eugenicists republished Nazi propaganda for American consumption. They also arranged for Nazi scientific exhibits, such as an August 1934 display at the L.A. County Museum, for the annual meeting of the American Public Health Association.

In 1934, as Germany's sterilizations were accelerating beyond 5,000 per month, the California eugenics leader C. M. Goethe, upon returning from Germany, ebulliently bragged to a colleague, "You will be interested to know that your work has played a powerful part in shaping the opinions of the group of intellectuals who are behind Hitler in this epoch-making program. Everywhere I sensed that their opinions have been tremendously stimulated by American thought . . . I want you, my dear friend, to carry this thought with you for the rest of your life, that you have really jolted into action a great government of 60 million people."

That same year, 10 years after Virginia passed its sterilization act, Joseph DeJarnette, superintendent of Virginia's Western State Hospital, observed in the Richmond Times-Dispatch, "The Germans are beating us at our own game."

More than just providing the scientific roadmap, America funded Germany's eugenic institutions.

By 1926, Rockefeller had donated some $410,000 -- almost $4 million in today's money -- to hundreds of German researchers. In May 1926, Rockefeller awarded $250,000 toward creation of the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Psychiatry. Among the leading psychiatrists at the German Psychiatric Institute was Ernst Rüdin, who became director and eventually an architect of Hitler's systematic medical repression.

Another in the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute's complex of eugenics institutions was the Institute for Brain Research. Since 1915, it had operated out of a single room. Everything changed when Rockefeller money arrived in 1929. A grant of $317,000 allowed the institute to construct a major building and take center stage in German race biology. The institute received additional grants from the Rockefeller Foundation during the next several years. Leading the institute, once again, was Hitler's medical henchman Ernst Rüdin. Rüdin's organization became a prime director and recipient of the murderous experimentation and research conducted on Jews, Gypsies and others.

Beginning in 1940, thousands of Germans taken from old age homes, mental institutions and other custodial facilities were systematically gassed. Between 50,000 and 100,000 were eventually killed.

Leon Whitney, executive secretary of the American Eugenics Society, declared of Nazism, "While we were pussy-footing around ... the Germans were calling a spade a spade."

A special recipient of Rockefeller funding was the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Human Heredity and Eugenics in Berlin. For decades,

American eugenicists had craved twins to advance their research into heredity.

The Institute was now prepared to undertake such research on an unprecedented level. On May 13, 1932, the Rockefeller Foundation in New York dispatched a radiogram to its Paris office: JUNE MEETING EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE NINE THOUSAND
DOLLARS OVER THREE YEAR PERIOD TO KWG INSTITUTE ANTHROPOLOGY FOR RESEARCH ON
TWINS AND EFFECTS ON LATER GENERATIONS OF SUBSTANCES TOXIC FOR GERM PLASM.

At the time of Rockefeller's endowment, Otmar Freiherr von Verschuer, a hero in American eugenics circles, functioned as a head of the Institute for Anthropology, Human Heredity and Eugenics. Rockefeller funding of that institute continued both directly and through other research conduits during Verschuer's early tenure. In 1935, Verschuer left the institute to form a rival eugenics facility in Frankfurt that was much heralded in the American eugenics press. Research on twins in the Third Reich exploded, backed by government decrees. Verschuer wrote in Der Erbarzt, a eugenics doctor's journal he edited, that Germany's war would yield a "total solution to the Jewish problem."

Verschuer had a longtime assistant. His name was Josef Mengele.

On May 30, 1943, Mengele arrived at Auschwitz. Verschuer notified the German Research Society, "My assistant, Dr. Josef Mengele (M.D., Ph.D.) joined me in this branch of research. He is presently employed as Hauptsturmführer (captain) and camp physician in the Auschwitz concentration camp. Anthropological testing of the most diverse racial groups in this concentration camp is being carried out with permission of the SS Reichsführer (Himmler)."

Mengele began searching the boxcar arrivals for twins. When he found them,

he performed beastly experiments, scrupulously wrote up the reports and sent the paperwork back to Verschuer's institute for evaluation. Often, cadavers, eyes and other body parts were also dispatched to Berlin's eugenic institutes.

Rockefeller executives never knew of Mengele. With few exceptions, the foundation had ceased all eugenics studies in Nazi-occupied Europe before the war erupted in 1939. But by that time the die had been cast. The talented men Rockefeller and Carnegie financed, the great institutions they helped found, and the science they helped create took on a scientific momentum of their own.

After the war, eugenics was declared a crime against humanity -- an act of genocide. Germans were tried and they cited the California statutes in their defense -- to no avail. They were found guilty.

However, Mengele's boss Verschuer escaped prosecution. Verschuer re- established his connections with California eugenicists who had gone underground and renamed their crusade "human genetics." Typical was an exchange July 25, 1946, when Popenoe wrote Verschuer, "It was indeed a pleasure to hear from you again. I have been very anxious about my colleagues in Germany . . . I suppose sterilization has been discontinued in Germany?" Popenoe offered tidbits about various American eugenics luminaries and then sent various eugenics publications. In a separate package, Popenoe sent some cocoa, coffee and other goodies.

Verschuer wrote back, "Your very friendly letter of 7/25 gave me a great deal of pleasure and you have my heartfelt thanks for it. The letter builds another bridge between your and my scientific work; I hope that this bridge will never again collapse but rather make possible valuable mutual enrichment and stimulation."

Soon, Verschuer again became a respected scientist in Germany and around the world. In 1949, he became a corresponding member of the newly formed American Society of Human Genetics, organized by American eugenicists and geneticists.

In the fall of 1950, the University of Münster offered Verschuer a position at its new Institute of Human Genetics, where he later became a dean. In the early and mid-1950s, Verschuer became an honorary member of numerous prestigious societies, including the Italian Society of Genetics, the Anthropological Society of Vienna, and the Japanese Society for Human Genetics.

Human genetics' genocidal roots in eugenics were ignored by a victorious generation that refused to link itself to the crimes of Nazism and by succeeding generations that never knew the truth of the years leading up to war. Now governors of five states, including California, have issued public apologies to their citizens, past and present, for sterilization and other abuses spawned by the eugenics movement.

Human genetics became an enlightened endeavor in the late 20th century. Hard-working, devoted scientists finally cracked the human code through the Human Genome Project. Now, every individual can be biologically identified and classified by trait and ancestry. Yet even now, some leading voices in the genetic world are calling for a cleansing of the unwanted among us, and even a master human species.

There is understandable wariness about more ordinary forms of abuse, for example, in denying insurance or employment based on genetic tests. On Oct. 14,

the United States' first genetic anti-discrimination legislation passed the Senate by unanimous vote. Yet because genetics research is global, no single nation's law can stop the threats.

Edwin Black is author of the award-winning "IBM and the Holocaust" and the recently released "War Against the Weak" (published by Four Walls Eight Windows), from which this article is adapted.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/11/09/ING9C2QSKB1.DTL

This article appeared on page D - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle

[AuH20]

I know a lot about John D. Rockefeller. He was a Republican. He founded and gave a substantial portion of his net worth to the University of Chicago, which is known for free market economomists such as Milton Friedman. He was a pioneer of the modern corporation and the founder of Exxon Mobil and Chevron. At age 16 he dropped out of high school and walked through Cleveland for 2 weeks to find his first job. He was so frugal, that he made his only son wear his sisters hand me down dress. Once a new employee who didn't know him told him to move his exercise machine away and that he was being annoying using it in the office, and Rockefeller didn't even correct him or get mad and just moved it. In his 50s he was so concerned with philantrhopy he had a mental breakdown and lost all his hair and retired from business and moved to Florida where he spent most of his time golfing, gardening and giving away his money. I admittedly don't know much about his decendants, but everytime I hear the name "Rockefeller" on Libertarian websitesit is with a hatred 2nd to none. I'm just wondering why?

You do know who donated the land which the United Nations headquarters was built upon? That should be enough of a clue.

[getch36]

Illuminati all the way.............

[AuH20]

For the uninformed, read the Gary Allen file on the Rockefellers:

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gary_allen_rocker/

[ramallamamama]

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/gary_allen_rocker/

Thanks for the link, great stuff!

[revolutionisnow]

The OP was asking about John D. Rockefeller, not his grandson David Rockefeller. Not sure how he can get blamed for what they do after he is dead and gone.

[torchbearer]

The OP was asking about John D. Rockefeller, not his grandson David Rockefeller. Not sure how he can get blamed for what they do after he is dead and gone.

lack of proper socialization of his children?

[FrankRep]

Our Monetary Mayhem Began With the Federal Reserve (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/american/946)

James Perloff | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
02 April 2009


The Fed was established when Congress passed the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. But the original legislation, containing the essential points of that act, was introduced by Senator Nelson Aldrich, front man for the banking community. Few today have heard of Aldrich, but many are familiar with billionaire Nelson Rockefeller, who was Gerald Ford's vice president, long New York's governor, and one of America's richest men. His full name: Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller — named for his grandfather, Nelson Aldrich. Aldrich's daughter married John D. Rockefeller, Jr., and his son Winthrop served as chairman of the Rockefellers' Chase National Bank. Long associated with America's richest family, when Nelson Aldrich spoke on Capitol Hill, insiders knew he was acting for the Rockefellers and their allies in high finance.
...



On the Jekyll Island / Federal Reserve Meeting:

Attending this meeting were agents from the world's three greatest banking houses: those of John D. Rockefeller, J.P. Morgan, and the Rothschilds. Together they represented an estimated 25 percent of the world's wealth. Acting for the Rockefellers were Senator Aldrich and Frank Vanderlip. Representing the Morgan interests were: Benjamin Strong, head of J.P. Morgan's Bankers Trust Company; Henry Davison, senior partner in J.P. Morgan & Co.; and Charles Norton, head of Morgan's First National Bank of New York. But the most important figure, credited with running the meeting, was Paul Warburg, who belonged to a prominent German banking family associated with the Rothschilds. The latter, the world's most powerful banking dynasty, had grown rich by establishing central banks that loaned money to European countries. Its patriarch, Amschel Mayer Rothschild, said: "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws."
...


The Rothschilds had long been linked to America's two foremost banking families, the Rockefellers and Morgans. They had provided seed money for John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil Company, and had influenced the Bank of England to bail out J.P. Morgan with a low-interest loan of 800,000 pounds, when his firm was verging on collapse in 1857.
...


The axis of Warburg/Rothschild, Morgan and Rockefeller, and their Wall Street confederates, became known as the "Money Trust." It worked in unison to force a central bank on America. In 1907, Morgan, who controlled numerous newspapers, began a false rumor concerning the insolvency of a rival bank, the Trust Company of America. The rumor led to a drastic run on the bank by depositors. This was part of the frenzy that historians call the Panic of 1907. Subsequently, Morgan's and Rockefeller's newspapers clamored for a central bank to prevent further crises; Senator Aldrich echoed the call in Congress; and Paul Warburg traveled the country lecturing on why the change was needed.
...


How did the Money Trust escape taxes? Primarily by placing their assets in tax-free foundations. The Carnegie and Rockefeller foundations were already operational by the time income tax passed.
...


Read the Full Article:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/american/946

[NYgs23]

As an entrepreneur, the old man wasn't half bad, though I doubt his business practices were always as pure as driven free-market snow. But as for the family's politics, you can have them. Good John D's "philanthropy" helped fund the fateful Flexner Report, which recommended "standards" for medical education that led to the first major state interference in the medicine: closing down dozens of medical schools, inflating prices, driving alternative medicine underground, driving blacks, women, and the working class out of the profession, and cartelizing the whole industry under the AMA guild-structure.

As for John D's descendants, is son "Junior" was an early promoter of globalism, doling dollars to the League of Nations and the UN and founding the "internationalist" think tank, the CFR. He funded Margaret Sanger's birth control campaigns, which ran into eugenics and population control activism. Grandson David Rockefeller has continued the globalist legacy with his Trilateral Commission. Great-grandson Jay Rockefeller is a sitting US senator whose chief interest right now appears to be getting the government's claws into Internet.

[Gaius1981]

John D. Rockefeller is one of my greatest heroes, actually. I admire him greatly. He's possibly the greatest industrialist in world history, and a true genius. He did more to build this country, materially, than any others.

He's also very quoteworthy. ;)

"Socialists and anarchists are the stench today in the nostrils of all honest men and women. They are a poison; and I would have them go and colonize and live out their theories and eat one another up; for they produce nothing and they subsist as suckers on what honest men, frugal and industrious, produce."

"Charity is injurious unless it helps the recipient to become independent of it."

"I believe in the dignity of labor, whether with head or hand; that the world owes no man a living but that it owes every man an opportunity to make a living."

[ScoutsHonor]

John D. Rockefeller is one of my greatest heroes, actually. I admire him greatly. He's possibly the greatest industrialist in world history, and a true genius. He did more to build this country, materially, than any others.

He's also very quoteworthy. ;)

"Socialists and anarchists are the stench today in the nostrils of all honest men and women. They are a poison; and I would have them go and colonize and live out their theories and eat one another up; for they produce nothing and they subsist as suckers on what honest men, frugal and industrious, produce."

"Charity is injurious unless it helps the recipient to become independent of it."

"I believe in the dignity of labor, whether with head or hand; that the world owes no man a living but that it owes every man an opportunity to make a living."

I never knew that - Interesting and amazing!

[BillyDkid]

Socialists and ANARCHISTS???? I'm not getting the connection.

[ScoutsHonor]

Ya gotta be kidding.

Great post, Ramallamamama - thanks!

[ramallamamama]

[qoute]
Great post, Ramallamamama - thanks![/quote]

Sure, ScoutsHonor. [/smile]

[ramallamamama]

D'oh!



Great post, Ramallamamama - thanks!

Sure, ScoutsHonor. [/smile]

[Gaius1981]

Socialists and ANARCHISTS???? I'm not getting the connection.

The vast majority of anarchists are of the communist-type variety, and want to abolish all property rights.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Interesting speculation about John D. Rockefeller and Josef Stalin:

http://rakemucker.blogspot.com/2007/12/did-john-d-rockefeller-help-bring.html

I've read similar things about banking oligarchs and the Bolsheviks for awhile, most notably in one of the chapters in The Creature from Jekyll Island. It would be nice to see this broken out somewhere in a full scholarly study.

[South Park Fan]

I suppose if you like central banking, eugenics, cartelization, and the corporate state, then the Rockefellers are your men.

[KenInMontiMN]

The University of Chicago is one of the nation's foremost breeding grounds for internationalist foreign policy and economics, and in the area of education they are consistently at the forefront of applying dumbed-down, politically correct nationally administered curriculum and mandates.

[tangent4ronpaul]

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller, Memoirs , 2002

What's not to hate about this scumbag, sack of fecal matter, treasonous asshole?

-t

[roho76]

The OP was asking about John D. Rockefeller, not his grandson David Rockefeller. Not sure how he can get blamed for what they do after he is dead and gone.

Yeah, this is the injustice of it all. Just because I think Sam Walton is one of the best entrepreneurs in modern history doesn't mean I agree with Wal-Mart's policy today. Sam Walton would shit on Wal-Mart as it stands today.


John D. Rockefeller is one of my greatest heroes, actually. I admire him greatly. He's possibly the greatest industrialist in world history, and a true genius. He did more to build this country, materially, than any others.

He's also very quoteworthy. ;)

"Socialists and anarchists are the stench today in the nostrils of all honest men and women. They are a poison; and I would have them go and colonize and live out their theories and eat one another up; for they produce nothing and they subsist as suckers on what honest men, frugal and industrious, produce."

"Charity is injurious unless it helps the recipient to become independent of it."

"I believe in the dignity of labor, whether with head or hand; that the world owes no man a living but that it owes every man an opportunity to make a living."

I think may have actually like the man based on those quotes.

[awake]

YouTube - David Rockefeller speaks about population control. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqUcScwnn8&feature=player_embedded)

[BillyDkid]

The vast majority of anarchists are of the communist-type variety, and want to abolish all property rights.Not by my understanding of the word. Communist/socialist types are statist and authoritarian which is pretty much diametrically opposed to anarchy. The word is routinely misused to mean molotov cocktail throwing leftists, which is not what it means.

[FrankRep]

Not by my understanding of the word. Communist/socialist types are statist and authoritarian which is pretty much diametrically opposed to anarchy. The word is routinely misused to mean molotov cocktail throwing leftists, which is not what it means.

They want to overthrow the current establishment (through anarchy), through the chaos, install a dictatorship type of control, like Communism.

[HOLLYWOOD]

This is an Excellent video... as we have been saying the whole charade/facade is well designed and backed.

Everytime CFR members pumping their agenda and I listen to callers pointing out the organzed crime of the CFR on C-SPAN... they always downplay any such issue and discredit under the conspiracy umbrella.


Dick Cheney ex-director of CFR (http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/shadows-of-power.html) talks to David Rockefeller

YouTube - Dick Cheney ex-director of CFR talks to David Rockefeller (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg)

[South Park Fan]

They want to overthrow the current establishment (through anarchy), through the chaos, install a dictatorship type of control, like Communism.

Anyone who wishes to install a dictatorship isn't an anarchist, by definition.

[Bossobass]

John D. Rockefeller is one of my greatest heroes, actually. I admire him greatly. He's possibly the greatest industrialist in world history, and a true genius. He did more to build this country, materially, than any others.

He's also very quoteworthy. ;)

"Socialists and anarchists are the stench today in the nostrils of all honest men and women. They are a poison; and I would have them go and colonize and live out their theories and eat one another up; for they produce nothing and they subsist as suckers on what honest men, frugal and industrious, produce."

"Charity is injurious unless it helps the recipient to become independent of it."

"I believe in the dignity of labor, whether with head or hand; that the world owes no man a living but that it owes every man an opportunity to make a living."

Quote worthy, indeed:

"Competition is a sin." J. D. Rockefeller

Bosso

[AutoDas]

Quote worthy, indeed:

"Competition is a sin." J. D. Rockefeller

Bosso

context? source?

[ChaosControl]

I know a lot about John D. Rockefeller. He was a Republican. He founded and gave a substantial portion of his net worth to the University of Chicago, which is known for free market economomists such as Milton Friedman. He was a pioneer of the modern corporation and the founder of Exxon Mobil and Chevron. At age 16 he dropped out of high school and walked through Cleveland for 2 weeks to find his first job. He was so frugal, that he made his only son wear his sisters hand me down dress. Once a new employee who didn't know him told him to move his exercise machine away and that he was being annoying using it in the office, and Rockefeller didn't even correct him or get mad and just moved it. In his 50s he was so concerned with philantrhopy he had a mental breakdown and lost all his hair and retired from business and moved to Florida where he spent most of his time golfing, gardening and giving away his money. I admittedly don't know much about his decendants, but everytime I hear the name "Rockefeller" on Libertarian websitesit is with a hatred 2nd to none. I'm just wondering why?

Well those two things don't exactly make me like the guy. Anyone who would do that to their son is a scumbag and anyone who was responsible for helping pioneer the existence of corporations is an enemy to economic liberty and free markets.

[ChaosControl]

lack of proper socialization of his children?

Or making them wear dresses.

[JoshLowry]

YouTube - Rockefeller shutting down Internet - Bills 773 & 778 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCkCWxv3kUE)

[osan]

I know a lot about John D. Rockefeller.

Apparently not enough. ;)


He was so frugal, that he made his only son wear his sisters hand me down dress.[/quote

Nothing to admire, that is for certain.

[quote]In his 50s he was so concerned with philantrhopy he had a mental breakdown and lost all his hair and retired from business and moved to Florida where he spent most of his time golfing, gardening and giving away his money.

That is called "guilt". Guilt at realizing all the awful things for which he was either singly responsible, or party to. Carnegie and a few others can lay similar tales. Funny, but I don't feel a shred of sympathy for their (hopefully) tormented ghosts. While they did many things that were on the surface great, huge proportions of their "accomplishments" were achieved through dishonesty, violence, legislative chicanery, and what effectively amounted to legitimized slavery. Those factors utterly stain virtually all they accomplished. I would rather we remained to this day agrarian, having achieved none of what we did yet retain our national soul, if you will, than have seen the horrific crimes lain upon the people of this nation in the name of "progress". May all those people find eternal torment for what they have done here such that our nation finds itself in its current state. Damn them all.




I admittedly don't know much about his decendants, but everytime I hear the name "Rockefeller" on Libertarian websitesit is with a hatred 2nd to none. I'm just wondering why?

Because they are part of an elite clan whose goals are nothing less than the absolute subjugation of the individual and his inborn liberties in favor of their arbitrary "vision" of an ideal world where they reside at the top and the rest of us toe their line. These are the most dangerous people on earth and if they get their way, which it now appears they will, your children and all posterity may come to curse us all for having had not the brains nor the will to stand against these diseased vermin and wipe them from the face of the earth as if their most remote ancestors had never existed. OTOH, posterity is likely to be so dumbed down and inculcated to the master's collar that they will not know the difference. Shame upon us all for allowing this to come to pass, if indeed it does.

[axiomata]

John D was a great businessman. The Myth of the Robber Barons is worth a read. I'll leave it to others to criticize his descendents.

[osan]

John D was a great businessman. The Myth of the Robber Barons is worth a read. I'll leave it to others to criticize his descendents.

On what basis do you make this assessment?

[axiomata]

On what basis do you make this assessment?
On the basis of The Myth of the Robber Barons (http://www.amazon.com/Myth-Robber-Barons-Business-America/dp/0963020315), as I mentioned before.

From the amazon description:


The Myth of the Robber Barons describes the role of key entrepreneurs in the economic growth of the United States from 1850 to 1910. The entrepreneurs studied are Cornelius Vanderbilt, John D. Rockefeller, James J. Hill, Andrew Mellon, Charles Schwab, and the Scranton family. Most historians argue that these men, and others like them, were Robber Barons. The story, however, is more complicated. The author, Burton Folsom, divides the entrepreneurs into two groups market entrepreneurs and political entrepreneurs. The market entrepreneurs, such as Hill, Vanderbilt, and Rockefeller, succeeded by producing a quality product at a competitive price. The political entrepreneurs such as Edward Collins in steamships and in railroads the leaders of the Union Pacific Railroad were men who used the power of government to succeed. They tried to gain subsidies, or in some way use government to stop competitors. The market entrepreneurs helped lead to the rise of the U. S. as a major economic power. By 1910, the U. S. dominated the world in oil, steel, and railroads led by Rockefeller, Schwab (and Carnegie), and Hill. The political entrepreneurs, by contrast, were a drain on the taxpayers and a thorn in the side of the market entrepreneurs. Interestingly, the political entrepreneurs often failed without help from government they could not produce competitive products. The author describes this clash of the market entrepreneurs and the political entrepreneurs.

There's also Folsom's lecture on the topic from FEE (http://fee.org/nff/the-myth-of-the-robber-barons/). Here's the part on John D Rockefeller.


Our story would not be complete without recalling the success of John D. Rockefeller. By the 1890s, Standard Oil had a 60 percent market share of all the oil sold in the world. Rockefeller sold the oil at eight cents a gallon—that would be around $1.60 today. Eight cents a gallon! Nobody in the world could do it that cheaply. Kerosene was so inexpensive that people could light their homes for less than one cent an hour.

Rockefeller, the first billionaire in U.S. history, made a fraction of a cent on each gallon of oil his company sold. He had the foresight to say that his goal was to make it for six cents, sell it for eight cents, and use the two cents for research and development. Rockefeller realized that finding new uses for oil was the key to success. (Other companies would take a barrel of oil out of the ground, heat it to get the kerosene, and dump the excess as waste into rivers.) Eventually Standard Oil discovered and produced scores of byproducts, including candle wax, soap, petroleum jelly, tars, and lubricating oils.

Because of this resourcefulness, Rockefeller might well be called the first environmentalist. (He also could be credited with species preservation: the whaling industry declined precipitously as kerosene displaced whale oil in lighting.)

But all this did not make him popular. Competitors did not like him, and public opposition mounted. Standard Oil had already begun to lose market share to competitors because it failed to invest in the Texas oil fields in 1900. But despite this declining market share, successful antitrust litigation resulted in the company’s being split into 34 companies.

Time and again, experience has shown that while private enterprise, carried on in an environment of open competition, delivers the best products and services at the best price, government intervention stifles initiative, subsidizes inefficiency, and raises costs. But if we have difficulty learning from history, it is often because our true economic history is largely hidden from us. We would be hard pressed to find anything about Vanderbilt’s success or Collins’s government-backed failure in the steamship business by examining the conventional history textbooks or taking a history course at most colleges or universities. The information simply isn’t included.

[Andrew-Austin]

Not by my understanding of the word. Communist/socialist types are statist and authoritarian which is pretty much diametrically opposed to anarchy. The word is routinely misused to mean molotov cocktail throwing leftists, which is not what it means.


Anyone who wishes to install a dictatorship isn't an anarchist, by definition.

Yes well, that doesn't stop them from calling themselves anarchists and really believing themselves to be against authority. Some are anarchists in that they just want to overthrow present governments, some really believe they don't need a state to bring about communism. You can talk all you want about how wrong headed they are and I agree, but preaching to the choir doesn't change the fact that the word anarchist has most commonly been used to describe these types of people.

Words mean what people think they mean, there are no objective meanings to mere combinations of syllables. Language is emergent, its not cast down upon us from the heavens or something like that. Political words have been so distorted and twisted every which way because politics is about manipulation and power. People with various belief systems (left, right, up and down) use political words as tools in whatever way best suits their ideological ends.

"When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less"... - Humpty Dumpty in the book Through the Looking-Glass.

[Howard_Roark]

I was cruising through the forum and was suprised to see this was still active, so I read through some of the posts and thought I would comment.

Clearly there is a lot of evidence and really no disputing that his decendants such as his grandson David Rockefeller were leftists. This really isn't unusual, people who inherit huge amounts of money are overwhemingly liberal. The problem is where you just call them "Rockefeller" and act like they are all like this when in reality, JDR really just cared about oil, and later on giving away money.

Also, the modern Rockefeller family is suprisingly not that rich for what they once were. Maybe a couple billion divided among hundreds of decendants. When you consider JDR stakes in Exxon/Chevron would be worth that is not much.

[parocks]

Trotsky and Schiff and Gore and Armand Hammer

and Rothschild everywhere


Interesting speculation about John D. Rockefeller and Josef Stalin:

http://rakemucker.blogspot.com/2007/12/did-john-d-rockefeller-help-bring.html

I've read similar things about banking oligarchs and the Bolsheviks for awhile, most notably in one of the chapters in The Creature from Jekyll Island. It would be nice to see this broken out somewhere in a full scholarly study.

[parocks]

Where did he get the money to do all the stuff he did? Was that covered in "the myth ... "?


John D was a great businessman. The Myth of the Robber Barons is worth a read. I'll leave it to others to criticize his descendents.

[JeNNiF00F00]

The Rockefeller family owns the farm that us cattle live on.

This!

[Marenco]

These people are the top masterminds and conspired for the creation of illegal FEDERAL RESERVE BANK in 1913: Theodore Roosevelt, Paul Warburg – Representative Of Rothschild, Woodrow Wilson – U.S. President Signed FED Into Act, Nelson W. Aldrich – Representative Of Rockefeller, Benjamin Strong – Representative Of Rockefeller, Frank A. Vanderlip – Representative Of Rockefeller, John D. Rockefeller – Rockefeller Himself, Henry Davison – Representative Of J. P. Morgan, Charles Norton – Representative Of J. P. Morgan.

[axiomata]

Where did he get the money to do all the stuff he did? Was that covered in "the myth ... "?
A 'lil company he started called Standard Oil.

DiLorenzo also covers Rockefeller and Standard Oil in his How Capitalism Saved America.

Here's an excerpt (http://mises.org/daily/2317). Well worth the read. Jump down to the "Oily Characters" section.

[MichelleHeart]

The OP was asking about John D. Rockefeller, not his grandson David Rockefeller. Not sure how he can get blamed for what they do after he is dead and gone.

I, for one, greatly admire John D. Rockefeller as a businessman. He provided a great service to society by making oil cheaper and more accessible for the masses.

[helmuth_hubener]

I, for one, greatly admire John D. Rockefeller as a businessman. He provided a great service to society by making oil cheaper and more accessible for the masses.
Yes, he was a great hero in the history of the world, I think, for his enormous achievements and contributions to human progress. He is one of those larger-than-life figures. He brought the price of kerosene down 90%. 90%! If you came up with a way to sell a major commodity for one-tenth the price of everyone else, you'd get rich too, and you'd deserve every penny and then some. Great industrialists like Rockefeller created the modern world we enjoy today. That's what I choose to remember him for.

Later on he and his descendants went over to the dark side politically, yes, and that's a shame.

[teamrican1]

I know a lot about John D. Rockefeller. He was a Republican. He founded and gave a substantial portion of his net worth to the University of Chicago, which is known for free market economomists such as Milton Friedman. He was a pioneer of the modern corporation and the founder of Exxon Mobil and Chevron. At age 16 he dropped out of high school and walked through Cleveland for 2 weeks to find his first job. He was so frugal, that he made his only son wear his sisters hand me down dress. Once a new employee who didn't know him told him to move his exercise machine away and that he was being annoying using it in the office, and Rockefeller didn't even correct him or get mad and just moved it. In his 50s he was so concerned with philantrhopy he had a mental breakdown and lost all his hair and retired from business and moved to Florida where he spent most of his time golfing, gardening and giving away his money. I admittedly don't know much about his decendants, but everytime I hear the name "Rockefeller" on Libertarian websitesit is with a hatred 2nd to none. I'm just wondering why?

John D. Rockefeller was just fine. The reason the Rockefeller name is so toxic among libertarians and conservatives has to do with John D. Rockefeller's descendants, who used the wealth he created to fund One World Government schemes and leftist political agendas. Barry Goldwater's main rival in the 1964 Republican Primary was Nelson Rockefeller who represented the interests of the Eastern Establishment who up until that point had always controlled the Republican Party. Nelson and his brothers used their foundation to issue a bunch of reports (overseen by Henry Kissinger) on every topic under the sun advocating leftist political solutions that served as the blueprint for all sorts of Washington evils. Nelson Rockefeller was a war monger as well who pushed for the US to enter WWII, and once we did, secured himself a spot in FDR's administration overseeing Latin American affairs where he used his position to advocate a scheme of massive economic aid to the people of Latin America that would be rejected but later re-branded and applied to Europe as the "Marshall Plan".