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Epic
12-18-2009, 09:11 PM
http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/1209/Grayson_wants_to_imprison_critic.html?showall


File this story under the pot calling the kettle black.

Rep. Alan Grayson (D-Fla.), prone for throwing his own political bombs at Republicans, has threatened a local critic with five years in jail for creating the website “mycongressmanisnuts.com,”

The Orlando Sentinel reports that Grayson wrote a letter this week to Attorney General Eric Holder demanding that the federal government imprison Republican activist Angie Langley for five years because of her website criticizing him.

QueenB4Liberty
12-18-2009, 09:30 PM
haha wow what an asshole. So he can dish it out but he can't take it back! Nice!

easycougar
12-18-2009, 09:37 PM
what exactly are the donations on mycongressmanisnuts.com going towards...an organization? a political candidate? they need to propose an alternative

james1906
12-18-2009, 09:43 PM
waddadoosh!

So if Bernanke responds to him, is he going to cry like a little bitch?

Civilradiant_palm_pre
12-18-2009, 10:49 PM
wait... Is this the guy that has been a major 1207 ally?

james1906
12-18-2009, 10:59 PM
wait... Is this the guy that has been a major 1207 ally?

sadly, yes

Epic
12-19-2009, 10:07 AM
bump

Kylie
12-19-2009, 10:46 AM
http://soulassassins.com/wp-content/douchebag2.jpg

GunnyFreedom
12-19-2009, 11:19 AM
Never liked Grayson. Never understood how there were RPF'ers who actually liked him. Sure, he was/is a 1207 ally, but that's IT. He was pro communist healthcare from day 1, and claimed that 'all Republicans' wanted Americans to 'die quickly' in order to reduce healthcare costs. IMHO, this crybaby act is par for the course with this guy. Hopefully the RPF'ers who liked him will take this as good reason to start hating him like we should. JUST because he is an ally on 1207 is meaningless when he is a radical liar and wants to imprison people for telling the TRUTH.

angelatc
12-19-2009, 12:23 PM
THe blogger should simply respond "See? I told you he was nuts!"

BenIsForRon
12-19-2009, 03:54 PM
Whatever, so he is nuts. I still like that he speaks his mind. Makes him better than 95% of the other congressmen out there.

What I don't understand is the hatred for Grayson on this forum. Why, because he's a democrat that *GASP*, holds typical democratic positions??!?!?! That's like hating on Kucinich because he's for single payer healthcare. Ron Paul disagrees with him on that, but he doesn't talk shit about him every time his name gets brought up.

angelatc
12-19-2009, 04:00 PM
Whatever, so he is nuts. I still like that he speaks his mind. Makes him better than 95% of the other congressmen out there.

What I don't understand is the hatred for Grayson on this forum. Why, because he's a democrat that *GASP*, holds typical democratic positions??!?!?! That's like hating on Kucinich because he's for single payer healthcare. Ron Paul disagrees with him on that, but he doesn't talk shit about him every time his name gets brought up.

He's a loudmouth, publicity seeking, drama queen bully masquerading as a politician who sends out self-promoting propaganda on the taxpayer dime. That's why I don't like him. It has less to do with his politics than it does that he's just a dick.

"Republicans want sick people to die quickly."

GunnyFreedom
12-19-2009, 04:38 PM
Whatever, so he is nuts. I still like that he speaks his mind. Makes him better than 95% of the other congressmen out there.

What I don't understand is the hatred for Grayson on this forum. Why, because he's a democrat that *GASP*, holds typical democratic positions??!?!?! That's like hating on Kucinich because he's for single payer healthcare. Ron Paul disagrees with him on that, but he doesn't talk shit about him every time his name gets brought up.

More on point, how can you defend a demonstrated liar, demagogue, partisan hack, and bully (who would threaten a meaningless citizen opponent with 5 years in prison), is it just because he's *GASP* a Democrat?

I oppose this kind of thuggish behavior regardless of their party, philosophy, or lack thereof. It is no secret that I have opposed Rethuglicans my entire life, but "Republicans want sick people to die quickly." Come on, really?

How can anyone, outside the realm of partisanship, defend such nonsense?

If anything, our lack of hatred for Kucinich proves the point. We don't hate Kucinich just because he happens to be a democrat who *GASP* holds typical democratic positions, therefore our disgust at Grayson must be sourced a bit deeper, no?

BenIsForRon
12-19-2009, 04:51 PM
Alot of people hate Kucinich on this forum...

All I know is that there are two possibilities with Grayson, either he's riding the populist wave by hopping on this Audit the Fed bandwagon, or he is genuinely concerned about the Fed's influence over the economy. It seems to me, based on the way he's interrogated Bernanke and others, that he is genuinely concerned and not just doing it for political gain. Therefore, I think he's alright

That said, i don't approve of this incident. It's definitely an immature reaction to a political opponent. I don't see where he endorses her going to prison for 5 years, though, so the Politico guy is stretching the truth a little.

GunnyFreedom
12-19-2009, 05:26 PM
Alot of people hate Kucinich on this forum...

All I know is that there are two possibilities with Grayson, either he's riding the populist wave by hopping on this Audit the Fed bandwagon, or he is genuinely concerned about the Fed's influence over the economy. It seems to me, based on the way he's interrogated Bernanke and others, that he is genuinely concerned and not just doing it for political gain. Therefore, I think he's alright

That said, i don't approve of this incident. It's definitely an immature reaction to a political opponent. I don't see where he endorses her going to prison for 5 years, though, so the Politico guy is stretching the truth a little.

It seems apparent to me that we are looking at things through dramatically different filters. While I see a lot of people here who disagree with Kucinich's policies, I hardly see ANYBODY here who hates him. Also, I am more annoyed by the numbers of people who still like Grayson despite the lies and the demagoguery.

And it's not just about this one incident. I hated Grayson for all the lies and bullying long before this happened. Seriously, "Republicans want sick people to die quickly." How can you defend that?

And if Grayson writing a letter to AG Holder demanding that Angie Langley be fined and imprisoned for 5 years does not mean that Grayson endorses her going to prison for 5 years, then I don't know what to tell you.

Original story (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2009/12/grayson-wants-to-send-critic-to-jail-for-five-years.html)

Grayson’s office did not respond with comment other than to confirm the letter exists — including its request that Langley be fined and “imprisoned for five years.”

Grayson's own staff confirmed that the letter exists, and confirmed that it requested AG Holder to fine and imprison her for 5 years. Notice that? He didn't request an investigation, he didn't request a trial. He requested that she by fined and imprisoned, without investigation or trial. His own staff has confirmed this fact. Once again, just like with the AGW thread, you are demonstrating that you are impervious to reality.

Grayson is the lowest order of political thug, and this should have been clear long before this latest incident of Grayson thuggery. Far from wondering how so many people can dislike Grayson, I am baffled that there can be anybody who actually likes this scumbag.

klamath
12-19-2009, 05:42 PM
It seems apparent to me that we are looking at things through dramatically different filters. While I see a lot of people here who disagree with Kucinich's policies, I hardly see ANYBODY here who hates him. Also, I am more annoyed by the numbers of people who still like Grayson despite the lies and the demagoguery.

And it's not just about this one incident. I hated Grayson for all the lies and bullying long before this happened. Seriously, "Republicans want sick people to die quickly." How can you defend that?

And if Grayson writing a letter to AG Holder demanding that Angie Langley be fined and imprisoned for 5 years does not mean that Grayson endorses her going to prison for 5 years, then I don't know what to tell you.

Original story (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_politics/2009/12/grayson-wants-to-send-critic-to-jail-for-five-years.html)


Grayson's own staff confirmed that the letter exists, and confirmed that it requested AG Holder to fine and imprison her for 5 years. Notice that? He didn't request an investigation, he didn't request a trial. He requested that she by fined and imprisoned, without investigation or trial. His own staff has confirmed this fact. Once again, just like with the AGW thread, you are demonstrating that you are impervious to reality.

Grayson is the lowest order of political thug, and this should have been clear long before this latest incident of Grayson thuggery. Far from wondering how so many people can dislike Grayson, I am baffled that there can be anybody who actually likes this scumbag.
I disagree with kucinich but I don't dislike him. From what I know of him I actually like the guy. Grayson is an arrogant prick that should be recalled. He even listed RP as a congressmen that wants sick people to die quickly.
Yeaw, I am more puzzled anyone would even try and defend this. And Ben you can find the exact letter Grayson sent to the AG.

NYgs23
12-19-2009, 05:43 PM
anybody[/I] who actually likes this scumbag.

Most of the people in Congress are thugs. The fact that Grayson's there instead of whoever would be in there otherwise is most likely a net benefit, in part because of such bombast and bluster, which I think undermines respect for Washington generally (a good thing).

BenIsForRon
12-19-2009, 05:47 PM
Ok, I didn't see that article. It would have hoped Grayson would be above something like that, but he's clearly insane. I stand corrected, Grayson clearly went overboard this time.

Seriously though, the "Republicans want you to die quickly" was about the Republicans unwillingness to propose reform. They are fine with the current system, in which insurance company policies are designed to deny people coverage through loopholes and other methods.

And on AGW, I stand by my statements. I see you as impervious to the reality that a vast majority of the skeptics' area of expertise is in economics, not science. Whereas many more pro-AGW activists have backgrounds in earth sciences. You've been hanging around republicans too much down there in Youngsville.

Son of Detroit
12-19-2009, 05:52 PM
BUT, BUT, BUT....

He supported us on 1207 so we should all donate to him!

GunnyFreedom
12-19-2009, 06:04 PM
Ok, I didn't see that article. It would have hoped Grayson would be above something like that, but he's clearly insane. I stand corrected, Grayson clearly went overboard this time.

Seriously though, the "Republicans want you to die quickly" was about the Republicans unwillingness to propose reform. They are fine with the current system, in which insurance company policies are designed to deny people coverage through loopholes and other methods.

And on AGW, I stand by my statements. I see you as impervious to the reality that a vast majority of the skeptics' area of expertise is in economics, not science. Whereas many more pro-AGW activists have backgrounds in earth sciences. You've been hanging around republicans too much down there in Youngsville.

Why resort to lies? How many times do I have to say that it was an examination of the science and the source-code that finally made me reject the theory of AGW? 50? 100? 1000? Give me a number so I can say it that many times and you will stop lying about me and my positions, Ben.

And I can see that you are actually defending Grayson's "Republicans want sick people to die quickly." statement. DISGUSTING. Just because people oppose making the problem worse, does not mean they want sick people to die quickly.

Your defense of this statement, along with your blatant lie about my position on AGW as though it has anything whatsoever to do with 'republicans,' reveals you as a partisan hack.

Freedom 4 all
12-19-2009, 06:08 PM
1st amendment much?

SelfTaught
12-19-2009, 06:09 PM
Alot of people hate Kucinich on this forum...

All I know is that there are two possibilities with Grayson, either he's riding the populist wave by hopping on this Audit the Fed bandwagon, or he is genuinely concerned about the Fed's influence over the economy. It seems to me, based on the way he's interrogated Bernanke and others, that he is genuinely concerned and not just doing it for political gain. Therefore, I think he's alright

That said, i don't approve of this incident. It's definitely an immature reaction to a political opponent. I don't see where he endorses her going to prison for 5 years, though, so the Politico guy is stretching the truth a little.

Look, Kucinich and Grayson may agree with us on some things but they are for the same socialist policies that WE KNOW will bring this country down (not that our country isn't down the drain already).

People like to give the example that "Well, Ron Paul works with them." So what? Ron Paul has to work and act practically if he expects to pass anything. Paul may hate them personally but put on the smile so he can get them on our side. Or, he is too much of a gentleman or in-too-deep politically to tell them they're slimy-goony-socialist-dumbasses because there would be adverse reactions to those statements. Understand?

We on this forum don't have to pull our punches because this is political discussion, but none of us are ACTUAL POLITICIANS. Truth be told, Kucinich and Grayson are weasily little socialists who no doubtedly support Obama except when it comes to war. Everything else, they love the man, to an almost ******-like degree.

nbhadja
12-19-2009, 06:10 PM
Ok, I didn't see that article. It would have hoped Grayson would be above something like that, but he's clearly insane. I stand corrected, Grayson clearly went overboard this time.

Seriously though, the "Republicans want you to die quickly" was about the Republicans unwillingness to propose reform. They are fine with the current system, in which insurance company policies are designed to deny people coverage through loopholes and other methods.

And on AGW, I stand by my statements. I see you as impervious to the reality that a vast majority of the skeptics' area of expertise is in economics, not science. Whereas many more pro-AGW activists have backgrounds in earth sciences. You've been hanging around republicans too much down there in Youngsville.

The current system is a government controlled system which sucks. Giving the very people who DESTROYED the health care system in America more power makes no sense at all.

Any one who wants the government to stop further ruining the health care system wants to save people.

The GOVERNMENT wants people to die and has killed many people.

ctiger2
12-19-2009, 06:27 PM
I like the way Grayson goes after the Fed. But, he's got a HUGE chip on his shoulder and a big ego.

BenIsForRon
12-19-2009, 07:30 PM
Why resort to lies? How many times do I have to say that it was an examination of the science and the source-code that finally made me reject the theory of AGW? 50? 100? 1000? Give me a number so I can say it that many times and you will stop lying about me and my positions, Ben.

And I can see that you are actually defending Grayson's "Republicans want sick people to die quickly." statement. DISGUSTING. Just because people oppose making the problem worse, does not mean they want sick people to die quickly.

Your defense of this statement, along with your blatant lie about my position on AGW as though it has anything whatsoever to do with 'republicans,' reveals you as a partisan hack.

Dude, I'm not defending the democrats, I'm just saying the republicans do not care about healthcare reform. Are you going to argue with me on that? Look out how easily this recent health bill passed the senate. It got voted in by democrats AND republicans because it maintains the status quo! So Grayson, with his partisan blinders on, made his statement. What he doesn't realize is that his party is just as bad.

So I'm not a partisan hack, because I know both sides are equally corrupt.

On AGW, if you have done all this exhaustive research, why don't you link me to some peer reviewed literature that is in support of some other theory for warming? Unless you believe its cooling, in that case, give me some peer-reviewed lit for that. Just a couple articles to get me started, and I'll check them out.

Cowlesy
12-19-2009, 07:49 PM
Whatever, so he is nuts. I still like that he speaks his mind. Makes him better than 95% of the other congressmen out there.

What I don't understand is the hatred for Grayson on this forum. Why, because he's a democrat that *GASP*, holds typical democratic positions??!?!?! That's like hating on Kucinich because he's for single payer healthcare. Ron Paul disagrees with him on that, but he doesn't talk shit about him every time his name gets brought up.

lololol

:)

Nate
12-19-2009, 07:55 PM
Ok, I didn't see that article. It would have hoped Grayson would be above something like that, but he's clearly insane. I stand corrected, Grayson clearly went overboard this time.

Seriously though, the "Republicans want you to die quickly" was about the Republicans unwillingness to propose reform. They are fine with the current system, in which insurance company policies are designed to deny people coverage through loopholes and other methods.

And on AGW, I stand by my statements. I see you as impervious to the reality that a vast majority of the skeptics' area of expertise is in economics, not science. Whereas many more pro-AGW activists have backgrounds in earth sciences. You've been hanging around republicans too much down there in Youngsville.

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Dr. Ian Clark, PhD, Professor (isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa.

Patrick J. Michaels, PhD, Research Professor of Environmental Science, University of Virginia.

Ian Plimer, Professor in the School of Earth & Environmental Sciences, University of Adelaide.

Robert Balling, PhD, Professor of Climatology, Arizona State University.

James J. O’Brien, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University.

Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning Ph.D. environmental physical chemist.
Stanley B. Goldenberg, atmospheric scientist at the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

James A. Peden, Atmospheric physicist formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.

Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.

Douglas V. Hoyt, solar physicist and climatologist, he has worked at NOAA, NCAR, Sacramento Peak Observatory, the World Radiation Center, Research and Data Systems and Raytheon where was a Senior Scientist.

Dr. Howard C. Hayden, professor emeritus of physics at University of Connecticut.

Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics and geodynamics, Stockholm University.

Vladimir Bashkirtsev, of the Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics of the Siberian Division of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Dr. Franco Battaglia, a professor of environmental chemistry at the University of Modena in Italy.

Paul G. Becker, a former chief meteorologist with the Air Force and former Colorado Springs chapter president of the American Meteorological Society.

Dr. Christopher L. Castro, a Professor of the Department of Atmospheric Sciences at the University of Arizona.

Daniel Botkin, president of the Center for the Study of the Environment and Professor Emeritus in the department of Ecology, Evolution, and Marine Biology at the University of California.

Dr. Simon Brassell, of the Department of Geological Sciences at Indiana University.

Dr. Reid Bryson, the founding chairman of the Department of Meteorology at the University of Wisconsin (now the Department of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences).

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Alexander G. Egorov, a researcher with the Arctic and Antarctic Research Institute in Saint Petersburg.

Stewart Franks, PhD, associate professor, hydroclimatologist, University of Newcastle, Australia.

Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas; former director and state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey.

Dr. Robert Giegengack, chair of the Department of Earth and Environmental Science at the University of Pennsylvania.

Jim Goodridge, Former California State Climatologist, a consultant for the California Department of Water Resources.

Dr. William Gray, emeritus professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State University (CSU), and head of the school's Tropical Meteorology Project. Well-respected hurricane specialist.

Eugenio Hackbart of the MetSul Meteorologia Weather Center in Sao Leopoldo - Rio Grande do Sul, Brazil.

Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of Meteorology, University of Alberta.

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Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Arizona, U.S.

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Wibjorn Karlen, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden.

Olavi Kärner, Ph.D., Research Associate, Dept. of Atmospheric Physics, Institute of Astrophysics and Atmospheric Physics, Toravere, Estonia.

David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial Research, New Zealand.

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Dr. Christopher W. Landsea, NOAA's National Hurricane Center.

Willem de Lange, PhD, Dept. of Earth and Ocean Sciences, School of Science and Engineering, Waikato University, New Zealand.

Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary, Canada.

Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France; former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment.

A.J. Tom van Loon, PhD, Professor of Geology (Quaternary Geology), Adam Mickiewicz University, Poznan, Poland; former President of the European Association of Science Editors.

Jonathan Lowe, who specializes in statistical analysis of climate change and holds a masters in science. He is currently working on his PhD.

Anthony R. Lupo, PhD, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Dept. of Soil, Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri-Columbia, U.S.

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Dr. Richard Mackey, statistician who authored a 2007 peer-reviewed study that found that the solar system regulates the earth's climate (Journal of Coastal Research, August 17, 2007).

Galina Mashnich of the Institute of Solar-Terrestrial Physics of the Siberian Division of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

Peter McGurk, Senior Meteorologist with WSI Corporation, a provider of weather-driven business solutions to such clients as CNN, FOX, NBC, American Airlines, Delta, and FedEx.

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Yeah you're right. It's just a bunch of economists. What would people like this know about atmospheric science, geology & climatology? AGW is a scam. The reason so many economists are against it is because they not only are operating on junk "science" while proclaiming their so-called crisis they are advocating for economic "solutions" that are based on junk economics. The whole thing is trash. The climate "science", the economics, the political advocates & the useful idiots who support this travesty.

BenIsForRon
12-19-2009, 08:13 PM
lololol

:)

Ok, well who do you like? Besides Paul? I'm not a dumbass for giving credit where credit is due. Grayson has helped us a lot with this Fed thing. Evidently, his ego is so large he's willing to put some lady in prison, but how the fuck was I supposed to know he's that crazy?

BenIsForRon
12-19-2009, 08:21 PM
Yeah you're right. It's just a bunch of economists. What would people like this know about atmospheric science, geology & climatology? AGW is a scam. The reason so many economists are against it is because they not only are operating on junk "science" while proclaiming their so-called crisis they are advocating for economic "solutions" that are based on junk economics. The whole thing is trash. The climate "science", the economics, the political advocates & the useful idiots who support this travesty.

You've got to give me some articles, (not political/economic in nature). I copied a few of those names into google and all I'm getting are partisan blogs. Have all these people actually done research into the science of climate change? Or are they just skeptics that got put on a list because they're scientists?

raiha
12-19-2009, 10:37 PM
Well not being a Yank, and not having studied Grayson's political career, I probly shouldn't comment. All i have seen of him is him defending RP's bill. For that i take my hat off to him. Kinda like his strident approach. We all have blind spots.
No matter what people think of him, it's quite a stretch to call another person a fascist, Epic...uncalled for.

Brooklyn Red Leg
12-19-2009, 11:58 PM
1st amendment much?

Indeed. In fact, Grayson is basically calling for a repeat of the Alien & Sedition Acts, which alone should garner him Congressional Censure at the very least, while standing trial for Treason should be the rule. Fuck Grayson. I'm going to call the Florida AGs office on Monday and suggest that Florida's state government deal with Mr. Grayson.

angelatc
12-20-2009, 01:45 AM
Seriously though, the "Republicans want you to die quickly" was about the Republicans unwillingness to propose reform. They are fine with the current system, in which insurance company policies are designed to deny people coverage through loopholes and other methods.

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Actually, I am fine with the current system. Duh. If the insurance companies would deny everybody, medical prices would come down. Republicans believe in the free market, and that government has no place in running health care reform. Republicans also believe that it's the Democrats that will kill off the old people to save the lives of the working class, because that's the only way to contain costs.

So in your world, "Republicans want you to die quickly" is true, but the mention of "death panels" in reference to the treatment-deciding committee that the bill actually creates, and we're hyperbolic. Got it.

"Republicans want you to die quickly" was divisive and self-aggrandizing. There isn't even any evidence that people without insurance live any longer than people with insurance, because there is already several layers of a social safety net.

I am a Republican who wants Alan Grayson to die quickly, but he won't, because mean people always live practically forever.

angelatc
12-20-2009, 01:53 AM
You've got to give me some articles, (not political/economic in nature). I copied a few of those names into google and all I'm getting are partisan blogs. Have all these people actually done research into the science of climate change? Or are they just skeptics that got put on a list because they're scientists?

Seriously, even I know who Lindzen is. You really don't?

BenIsForRon
12-20-2009, 02:13 AM
Clarification, that's what he said the republican's health plan is, "to die quickly".

Since you guys think I'm a closet Democrat, let me give an analogy for the Dems health plan... so that we're "fair and balanced". You could say that the Dems original plan would be "Everybody lives... until we run out money."

I couldn't really make sense of the rest of your post... are you saying the Republicans are just trying to get a more free-market approach? I'm pretty sure republicans, like the democrats, would like to see insurance companies stay at 10-20% profit margins, and they will twist and turn legislation to keep it that way.

Andrew-Austin
12-20-2009, 02:22 AM
He's a loudmouth, publicity seeking, drama queen bully masquerading as a politician who sends out self-promoting propaganda on the taxpayer dime. That's why I don't like him. It has less to do with his politics than it does that he's just a dick.


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Austrian Econ Disciple
12-20-2009, 07:04 AM
Actually, I am fine with the current system. Duh. If the insurance companies would deny everybody, medical prices would come down. Republicans believe in the free market, and that government has no place in running health care reform. Republicans also believe that it's the Democrats that will kill off the old people to save the lives of the working class, because that's the only way to contain costs.

So in your world, "Republicans want you to die quickly" is true, but the mention of "death panels" in reference to the treatment-deciding committee that the bill actually creates, and we're hyperbolic. Got it.

"Republicans want you to die quickly" was divisive and self-aggrandizing. There isn't even any evidence that people without insurance live any longer than people with insurance, because there is already several layers of a social safety net.

I am a Republican who wants Alan Grayson to die quickly, but he won't, because mean people always live practically forever.

So you are fine with socialized medicine? That's what we currently have. If at the very least one might call it quasi-socialist, since the majority of healthcare expenditure comes via Government, and since the Government pretty much runs the entire industry via regulation and law (FDA, ridiculous education standards via in bed with the AMA, etc.).

I want a completely free-market approach to healthcare. Do you? (This means abolishing the FDA, ending all regulations and laws that are victimless (99.9% of the current regulation/law), ending education requirements, ending SCHIP, Medicaid, Medicare, VA (I believe we should take care of all current vets, but reform the system where all new entrants if a medical problem arises from duty then there will be restitution in the amount that is deemed fit and reasonable; then again I also would dismantle our standing army in peacetime (If you are a Constitutionalist, it should also be the strict Constructionist position also))

Are you for that? If you aren't, then why do you rail against socialized medicine? Makes no sense, since you all ready support it.

Nate
12-20-2009, 10:02 AM
You've got to give me some articles, (not political/economic in nature). I copied a few of those names into google and all I'm getting are partisan blogs. Have all these people actually done research into the science of climate change? Or are they just skeptics that got put on a list because they're scientists?

Alright, I'll get you started. BTW, this is just a fraction of the material out there. I hope this helps. If after you read these papers you still believe in AGW then fine. As long as you don't propose these "the sky is falling" scenarios & central economic planning. The technological solutions to AGW, if it is real which I HIGHLY doubt, will come from the free market & individual entrepreneurs not statist utopian fantasies like those being proposed by the proponents of AGW.



1,500-Year Climate Cycle

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A Pervasive Millennial-Scale Cycle in North Atlantic Holocene and Glacial Climates (Science, vol. 278. no. 5341, pp. 1257 - 1266, 14 November 1997) - Gerard Bond, William Showers, Maziet Cheseby, Rusty Lotti, Peter Almasi, Peter deMenocal, Paul Priore, Heidi Cullen, Irka Hajdas, Georges Bonani

A Variable Sun Paces Millennial Climate (Science, vol. 294. no. 5546, pp. 1431 - 1433, 16 November 2001) - Richard A. Kerr

Cyclic Variation and Solar Forcing of Holocene Climate in the Alaskan Subarctic (Science, vol. 301. no. 5641, pp. 1890 - 1893, 26 September 2003) - Feng Sheng Hu, Darrell Kaufman, Sumiko Yoneji, David Nelson, Aldo Shemesh, Yongsong Huang, Jian Tian, Gerard Bond, Benjamin Clegg, Thomas Brown

Decadal to millennial cyclicity in varves and turbidites from the Arabian Sea: hypothesis of tidal origin (Global and Planetary Change, vol. 34, issues 3-4, Pages 313-325, November 2002) - W. H. Bergera, U. von Rad

Late Holocene approximately 1500 yr climatic periodicities and their implications (Geology, vol. 26; no. 5; pp. 471-473, May 1998) - Ian D. Campbell, Celina Campbell, Michael J. Apps, Nathaniel W. Rutter, Andrew B. G. Bush

Possible solar origin of the 1,470-year glacial climate cycle demonstrated in a coupled model (Nature 438, 208-211, 10 November 2005) - Holger Braun, Marcus Christl, Stefan Rahmstorf, Andrey Ganopolski, Augusto Mangini, Claudia Kubatzki, Kurt Roth, Bernd Kromet

The 1,800-year oceanic tidal cycle: A possible cause of rapid climate change (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, vol. 97, no. 8, 3814-3819, April 11, 2000) - Charles D. Keeling, Timothy P. Whorf

The origin of the 1500-year climate cycles in Holocene North-Atlantic records (Climate of the Past Discussions, vol. 3, Issue 2, pp. 679-692, 2007) - M. Debret, V. Bout-Roumazeilles, F. Grousset, M. Desmet, J. F. McManus, N. Massei, D. Sebag, J.-R. Petit, Y. Copard, A. Trentesaux

Timing of abrupt climate change: A precise clock (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 30, no. 10, 2003) - Stefan Rahmstorf

Timing of Millennial-Scale Climate Change in Antarctica and Greenland During the Last Glacial Period (Science, vol. 291, issue 5501, pp. 109-112, 2001) - Thomas Blunier, Edward J. Brook

Widespread evidence of 1500 yr climate variability in North America during the past 14,000 yr (Geology, vol. 30, no. 5, pp. 455-458, May 2002) - André E. Viau, Konrad Gajewski, Philippe Fines, David E. Atkinson, Michael C. Sawada


An Inconvenient Truth

An Inconvenient Truth : a focus on its portrayal of the hydrologic cycle (GeoJournal, vol. 70, no. 1, September 2007) - David R. Legates

An Inconvenient Truth : blurring the lines between science and science fiction (GeoJournal, vol. 70, no. 1, September 2007) - Roy W. Spencer


Anthropogenic Influences

Environmental Effects of Increased Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide (Energy & Environment, vol. 10, no. 5, pp. 439-468, 1 September 1999) - Arthur B. Robinson, Noah E. Robinson, Willie Soon

Global warming (Progress in Physical Geography, 27, pp. 448-455, 2003) - W. Soon, S. L. Baliunas

Human Contribution to Climate Change Remains Questionable (American Geophysical Society, vol. 80, pp. 183-187, April 20, 1999) - S. Fred Singer

Industrial CO2 emissions as a proxy for anthropogenic influence on lower tropospheric temperature trends (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 31, L05204, 2004) - A. T. J. de Laat, A. N. Maurellis

Implications of the Secondary Role of Carbon Dioxide and Methane Forcing in Climate Change: Past, Present, and Future (Physical Geography, vol. 28, no. 2, pp. 97-125(29), March 2007) - Soon, Willie

Methodology and Results of Calculating Central California Surface Temperature Trends: Evidence of Human-Induced Climate Change? (Journal of Climate, vol.: 19 issue: 4, February 2006) - Christy, J.R., W.B. Norris, K. Redmond, K. Gallo

Modeling climatic effects of anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions: unknowns and uncertainties (Climate Research, vol. 18: 259–275, 2001) - Willie Soon, Sallie Baliunas, Sherwood B. Idso, Kirill Ya. Kondratyev, Eric S. Posmentier

Modeling climatic effects of anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions: unknowns and uncertainties. Reply to Risbey (2002) (Climate Research, vol. 22: 187–188, 2002) - Willie Soon, Sallie Baliunas, Sherwood B. Idso, Kirill Ya. Kondratyev, Eric S. Posmentier

Modeling climatic effects of anthropogenic carbon dioxide emissions: unknowns and uncertainties. Reply to Karoly et al. (Climate Research, vol. 24: 93–94, 2003) - Willie Soon, Sallie Baliunas, Sherwood B. Idso, Kirill Ya. Kondratyev, Eric S. Posmentier

On global forces of nature driving the Earth's climate. Are humans involved? (Environmental Geology, volume 50, no. 6, August, 2006) - L. F. Khilyuk and G. V. Chilingar

Quantitative implications of the secondary role of carbon dioxide climate forcing in the past glacial-interglacial cycles for the likely future climatic impacts of anthropogenic greenhouse-gas forcings (arXiv:0707.1276, 07/2007) - Soon, Willie

The continuing search for an anthropogenic climate change signal: Limitations of correlation-based approaches (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 24, no. 18, pp. 2319–2322, 1997) - David R. Legates, Robert E. Davis


Antarctica

A doubling in snow accumulation in the western Antarctic Peninsula since 1850 (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 35, L01706, 2008) - Elizabeth R. Thomas, Gareth J. Marshall, Joseph R. McConnell

First survey of Antarctic sub-ice shelf sediments reveals mid-Holocene ice shelf retreat (Geology, vol. 29; no. 9; pp. 787-790, September 2001) - Carol J. Pudsey, Jeffrey Evans

Orbitally induced oscillations in the East Antarctic ice sheet at the Oligocene/Miocene boundary (Nature 413, 719-723, October 2001) - Naish TR, Woolfe KJ, Barrett PJ, Wilson GS, Atkins C, Bohaty SM, Bücker CJ, Claps M, Davey FJ, Dunbar GB, Dunn AG, Fielding CR, Florindo F, Hannah MJ, Harwood DM, Henrys SA, Krissek LA, Lavelle M, van Der Meer J, McIntosh WC, Niessen F, Passchier S, Powell RD, Roberts AP, Sagnotti L, Scherer RP, Strong CP, Talarico F, Verosub KL, Villa G, Watkins DK, Webb PN, Wonik T

Past and Future Grounding-Line Retreat of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet (Science, vol. 286. no. 5438, pp. 280 - 283, October 1999) - H. Conway, B. L. Hall, G. H. Denton, A. M. Gades, E. D. Waddington

Snowfall-Driven Growth in East Antarctic Ice Sheet Mitigates Recent Sea-Level Rise (Science, vol. 308. no. 5730, pp. 1898 - 1901, 24 June 2005) - Curt H. Davis, Yonghong Li, Joseph R. McConnell, Markus M. Frey, Edward Hanna


Arctic

Actual and insolation-weighted Northern Hemisphere snow cover and sea-ice between 1973–2002 (Climate Dynamics, vol. 22, issue 6-7, pp. 591-595, 2004) - R. Pielke, G. Liston, W. Chapman, D. Robinson

Scary Arctic Ice Loss? Blame the Wind (Science, vol. 307. no. 5707, p. 203, 14 January 2005) - Richard A. Kerr

Sea-ice decline due to more than warming alone (Nature 450, 27, 1 November 2007) - Julia Slingo, Rowan Sutton

CO2 lags Temperature changes: 180 years of atmospheric CO2 gas analysis by chemical methods (Energy & Environment, vol. 18, no. 2, pp. 259-282(24), March 2007) - Beck, Ernst-Georg

Ice core records of atmospheric CO2 around the last three glacial terminations (Science, vol. 283. no. 5408, pp. 1712 - 1714, 12 March 1999) - Hubertus Fischer, Martin Wahlen, Jesse Smith, Derek Mastroianni, Bruce Deck

Southern Hemisphere and Deep-Sea Warming Led Deglacial Atmospheric CO2 Rise and Tropical Warming (Science, September 27, 2007) - Lowell Stott, Axel Timmermann, Robert Thunell

The phase relations among atmospheric CO2 content, temperature and global ice volume over the past 420 ka (Quaternary Science Reviews, vol. 20, issue 4, Pages 583-589, February 2001) - Manfred Mudelsee

Timing of Atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic Temperature Changes Across Termination III (Science 14, vol. 299. no. 5613, March 2003) - Nicolas Caillon, Jeffrey P. Severinghaus, Jean Jouzel, Jean-Marc Barnola, Jiancheng Kang, Volodya Y. Lipenkov


Computer Climate Models

A comparison of tropical temperature trends with model predictions (International Journal of Climatology, 5 Dec 2007) - David H. Douglass, John R. Christy, Benjamin D. Pearson, S. Fred Singer

Altitude dependence of atmospheric temperature trends: Climate models versus observation (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 31, L13208, 2004) - David H. Douglass, Benjamin D. Pearson, S. Fred Singer

Effects of bias in solar radiative transfer codes on global climate model simulations (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 32, L20717, 2005) - Albert Arking

Global Climate Models Violate Scaling of the Observed Atmospheric Variability (Physical Review Letters, vol. 89, no. 2, July 8, 2002) - R. B. Govindan, Dmitry Vyushin, Armin Bunde, Stephen Brenner, Shlomo Havlin, Hans-Joachim Schellnhuber

Quantifying the influence of anthropogenic surface processes and inhomogeneities on gridded global climate data (Journal of Geophysical Research, vol. 112, D24S09, 2007) - Ross R. McKitrick, Patrick J. Michaels

Seductive Simulations? Uncertainty Distribution Around Climate Models (Social Studies of Science, vol. 35, no. 6, 895-922, 2005) - Myanna Lahsen


Greenhouse Theory

Are observed changes in the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere really dangerous? (Bulletin of Canadian Petroleum Geology, vol. 50, no. 2, pp. 297-327, June 2002) - C. R. de Freitas

Atmospheric CO2 Concentrations over the Last Glacial Termination (Science, vol. 291. no. 5501, 5 January 2001) - Eric Monnin, Andreas Indermühle, André Dällenbach, Jacqueline Flückiger, Bernhard Stauffer, Thomas F. Stocker, Dominique Raynaud, Jean-Marc Barnola

Atmospheric CO2 fluctuations during the last millennium reconstructed by stomatal frequency analysis of Tsuga heterophylla needles (Geology, vol. 33; no. 1; pp. 33-36, January 2005) - Lenny Kouwenberg, Rike Wagner, Wolfram Kürschner, Henk Visscher

Can increasing carbon dioxide cause climate change? (Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, USA, vol. 94, pp. 8335-8342, August 1997) - Richard S. Lindzen

Cloud and radiation budget changes associated with tropical intraseasonal oscillations (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 34, L15707, 2007) - Roy W. Spencer, William D. Braswell, John R. Christy, Justin Hnilo

CO2-induced global warming: a skeptic's view of potential climate change (Climate Research, vol. 10: 69–82, 1998) - Sherwood B. Idso

Does the Earth Have an Adaptive Infrared Iris? (Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, vol. 82, issue 3, pp. 417–432, March 2001) - Richard S. Lindzen, Ming-Dah Chou, and Arthur Y. Hou

Falsification Of The Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within The Frame Of Physics (Physics, arXiv:0707.1161) - Gerhard Gerlich, Ralf D. Tscheuschner

Heat capacity, time constant, and sensitivity of Earth's climate system (Accepted for publication in Journal of Geophysical Research) - Stephen E. Schwartz

Phanerozoic Climatic Zones and Paleogeography with a Consideration of Atmospheric CO2 Levels (Paleontological Journal, 2: 3-11, 2003) - A. J. Boucot, Chen Xu, C. R. Scotese

The "Greenhouse Effect" as a Function of Atmospheric Mass (Energy & Environment, vol. 14, nos. 2-3, pp. 351-356, 1 May 2003) - H. Jelbring


Greenland

Global Warming and the Greenland Ice Sheet (Climatic Change, vol. 63, nos. 1-2, pp. 201-221(21), March 2004) - Petr Chylek, Jason E. Box, Glen Lesins

Greenland warming of 1920–1930 and 1995–2005 (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 33, 2006) - Petr Chylek, M. K. Dubey, G. Lesins

Rapid Changes in Ice Discharge from Greenland Outlet Glaciers (Science, vol. 315. no. 5818, pp. 1559 - 1561, 16 March 2007) - Ian M. Howat, Ian Joughin, Ted A. Scambos

Recent cooling in coastal southern Greenland and relation with the North Atlantic Oscillation (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 30, no. 3, 2003) - Edward Hanna, John Cappelen

Recent Ice-Sheet Growth in the Interior of Greenland (Science 11, vol. 310. no. 5750, pp. 1013 - 1016, November 2005) - Ola M. Johannessen, Kirill Khvorostovsky, Martin W. Miles, Leonid P. Bobylev

Solar Influence on Climate

Rhodes Fairbridge and the idea that the solar system regulates the Earth's climate (Journal of Coastal Research, SI 50, pp. 955-968, 2007) - Richard Mackey

Solar activity variations and global temperature (Energy [Oxford], vol. 18, no. 12, pp. 1273-1284, 1993) - Eigil Friis-Christensen

Solar and climate signal records in tree ring width from Chile (AD 1587–1994) (Planetary and Space Science, vol. 55, issue 1-2, pp. 158-164, January 2007) - Nivaor Rodolfo Rigozoa, Daniel Jean Roger Nordemann, Heitor Evangelista da Silva, Mariza Pereira de Souza Echer, Ezequiel Echer

Solar correlates of Southern Hemisphere mid-latitude climate variability (International Journal of Climatology, vol. 22, issue 8, pp. 901-915, 27 May 2002) - Ronald E. Thresher

Solar Cycle Variability, Ozone, and Climate (Science, vol. 284. no. 5412, pp. 305 - 308, 9 April 1999) - Drew Shindell, David Rind, Nambeth Balachandran, Judith Lean, Patrick Lonergan

Solar Forcing of Drought Frequency in the Maya Lowlands (Science, vol. 292. no. 5520, pp. 1367-1370, 18 May 2001) - David A. Hodell, Mark Brenner, Jason H. Curtis, Thomas Guilderson

Solar total irradiance variation and the global sea surface temperature record (Journal of Geophysical Research, vol. 96, no. D2, pp. 2835–2844, 1991) - George C. Reid

Solar variability and climate change: Geomagnetic aa index and global surface temperature (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 25, issue 7, pp. 1035-1038, 1998) - E. W. Cliver, V. Boriakoff, J. Feynman

Solar variability and ring widths in fossil trees (Il Nuovo Cimento C, vol. 19, no. 4, July 1996) - S. Cecchini, M. Galli, T. Nanni, L. Ruggiero

Solar Variability Over the Past Several Millennia (Space Science Reviews, vol. 125, issue 1-4, pp. 67-79, 22 December 2006) - J. Beer, M. Vonmoos, R. Muscheler

Suggestive correlations between the brightness of Neptune, solar variability, and Earth's temperature (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 34, L08203, 2007) - H. B. Hammel, G.W. Lockwood

Surface warming by the solar cycle as revealed by the composite mean difference projection (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 34, L14703, 2007) - Charles D. Camp, Ka Kit Tung

The link between the solar dynamo and climate - The evidence from a long mean air temperature series from Northern Ireland (Irish Astronomical Journal, vol. 21, no. 3-4, pp. 251-254, 09/1994) - C.J. Butler, D.J. Johnston

The Sun–Earth Connection in Time Scales from Years to Decades and Centuries (Space Science Reviews, v. 95, issue 1/2, pp. 625-637, 2001) - T. I. Pulkkinen, H. Nevanlinna, P. J. Pulkkinen, M. Lockwood

Variable solar irradiance as a plausible agent for multidecadal variations in the Arctic-wide surface air temperature record of the past 130 years (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 32, L16712, 2005) - Willie Soon

Variability of the solar cycle length during the past five centuries and the apparent association with terrestrial climate (Journal of Atmospheric and Terrestrial Physics, vol. 57, issue 8, pp. 835-845, July 1995) - K. Lassen, E. Friis-Christensen

Variations in Radiocarbon Concentration and Sunspot Activity (Journal of Geophysical Research, vol. 66, p. 273, 01/1961) – M. Stuiver

Variations in the Earth's Orbit: Pacemaker of the Ice Ages (Science, vol. 194. no. 4270, pp. 1121-1132, 10 December 1976) - J. D. Hays, John Imbrie, N. J. Shackleton

Variations of solar coronal hole area and terrestrial lower tropospheric air temperature from 1979 to mid-1998: astronomical forcings of change in Earth's climate? (New Astronomy, vol. 4, issue 8, pp. 563-579, January 2000) - W. Soon, S. Baliunas, E. S. Posmentier, P. Okeke

What do we really know about the Sun-climate connection? (Advances in Space Research, vol. 20, issue 4-5, pp. 913-921, 1997) - Eigil Friis-Christensen, Henrik Svensmark

Will We Face Global Warming in the Nearest Future? (Geomagnetism i Aeronomia, vol. 43, pp. 124-127, 2003) - V. S. Bashkirtsev, G. P. Mashnich


Solar Cosmic Rays

Solar variability influences on weather and climate: Possible connections through cosmic ray fluxes and storm intensification (Journal of Geophysical Research, vol. 94, no. D12, pp. 14783-14792, October 1989) - Brian A, Tinsley, Geoffrey M. Brown, Philip H. Scherrer

Hale-cycle effects in cosmic-ray intensity during the last four cycles (Astrophysics and Space Science, vol. 246, no. 1, March 1996) - H. Mavromichalaki, A. Belehaki, X. Rafios, I. Tsagouri

Variation of Cosmic Ray Flux and Global Cloud Coverage--a Missing Link in Solar-Climate Relationships (Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, vol. 59, no. 11, pp. 1225-1232, July 1997) - Henrik Svensmark, Eigil Friis-Christensen

Influence of Cosmic Rays on Earth's Climate (Physical Review Letters, vol. 81, issue 22, pp. 5027-5030, 30 November 1998) - Henrik Svensmark

Reply to comments on "Variation of cosmic ray flux and global cloud coverage--a missing link in solar-climate relationships" (Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics, vol. 62, issue 1, pp. 79-80, January 2000) - Henrik Svensmark, Eigil Friis-Christensen

Cosmic rays and Earth's climate (Space Science Reviews, v. 93, issue 1/2, pp. 175-185, July 2000) - Henrik Svensmark

Cosmic rays and climate--The influence of cosmic rays on terrestrial clouds and global warming (Astronomy & Geophysics, vol. 41, issue 4, pp 4. 18-4. 22, August 2000) - E Pallé Bagó, C J Butler

Cosmic Rays, Clouds, and Climate (Space Science Reviews, v. 94, issue 1/2, pp. 215-230, November 2000) - Nigel Marsh, Henrik Svensmark

Low cloud properties influenced by cosmic rays (Physical Review Letters, vol. 85, issue 23, pp. 5004-5007, December 2000) - Nigel D Marsh, Henrik Svensmark

On the relationship of cosmic ray flux and precipitation (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 28, no. 8, pp. 1527–1530, 2001) - Dominic R. Kniveton and Martin C. Todd

Altitude variations of cosmic ray induced production of aerosols: Implications for global cloudiness and climate (Journal of Geophysical Research, vol. 107, no. A7, pp. SIA 8-1, July 2002) - Fangqun Yu

The Spiral Structure of the Milky Way, Cosmic Rays, and Ice Age Epochs on Earth (New Astronomy, vol. 8, issue 1, pp. 39-77, January 2003) - Nir J. Shaviv

Galactic cosmic ray and El Niño-Southern Oscillation trends in International Satellite Cloud Climatology Project D2 low-cloud properties (Journal of Geophysical Research, vol. 108, no. D6, pp. AAC 6-1, March 2003) - Nigel Marsh, Henrik Svensmark

The effects of galactic cosmic rays, modulated by solar terrestrial magnetic fields, on the climate (Russian Journal of Earth Sciences, vol. 6, no. 5, October 2004) - V. A. Dergachev, P. B. Dmitriev, O. M. Raspopov, B. Van Geel

Formation of large NAT particles and denitrification in polar stratosphere: possible role of cosmic rays and effect of solar activity (Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics, vol. 4, issue 9/10, pp. 2273-2283, November 2004) - F. Yu

Long-term variations of the surface pressure in the North Atlantic and possible association with solar activity and galactic cosmic rays (Advances in Space Research, vol. 35, issue 3, pp. 484-490, 2005) - S. V. Veretenenko, V. A. Dergachev, P. B. Dmitriyev

Galactic Cosmic Rays and Insolation are the Main Drivers of Global Climate of the Earth (arXiv:hep-ph/0506208, June 2005) - V. D. Rusov, I. V. Radin, A. V. Glushkov, V. N. Vaschenko, V. N. Pavlovich, T. N. Zelentsova, O. T. Mihalys, V. A. Tarasov, A. Kolos

On climate response to changes in the cosmic ray flux and radiative budget (Journal of Geophysical Research, vol. 110, issue A8, August 2005) - Nir J. Shaviv

Cosmic rays and the biosphere over 4 billion years (Astronomische Nachrichten, vol. 327, issue 9, Page 871, 2006) - Henrik Svensmark

The Antarctic climate anomaly and galactic cosmic rays (Physics/0612145v1, December 2006) - Henrik Svensmark

Interstellar-Terrestrial Relations: Variable Cosmic Environments, The Dynamic Heliosphere, and Their Imprints on Terrestrial Archives and Climate (Space Science Reviews, vol. 127, no. 1-4, December 2006) - K. Scherer, H. Fichtner, T. Borrmann, J. Beer, L. Desorgher, E. Flükiger, H. Fahr, S. Ferreira, U. Langner, M. Potgieter, B. Heber, J. Masarik, N. Shaviv, J. Veizer

Empirical evidence for a nonlinear effect of galactic cosmic rays on clouds (Royal Society of London Proceedings Series A, vol. 462, issue 2068, p. 1221-1233, April 2006) - R. Giles Harrison, David B. Stephenson

Cosmoclimatology: a new theory emerges (Astronomy & Geophysics, vol. 48 issue 1, pp. 1. 18-1. 24, February 2007) - Henrik Svensmark

Evidence for a physical linkage between galactic cosmic rays and regional climate time series (Journal Advances in Space Research, February 2007) - Charles A. Perrya

200-year variations in cosmic rays modulated by solar activity and their climatic response (Bulletin of the Russian Academy of Sciences: Physics, vol. 71, no. 7, July 2007) - O. M. Raspopov, V. A. Dergachev

On the possible contribution of solar-cosmic factors to the global warming of XX century (Bulletin of the Russian Academy of Sciences: Physics, vo. 71, no. 7, July 2007) - M. G. Ogurtsov

Cosmic rays and climate of the Earth: possible connection (Comptes Rendus Geosciences, December 2007) - Ilya G. Usoskina, Gennady A. Kovaltsovb

Galactic Cosmic Rays - Clouds Effect and Bifurcation Model of the Earth Global Climate. Part 1. Theory (arXiv:0803. 2765, Mar 2008) -V. Rusov, A. Glushkov, V. Vaschenko, O. Mihalys, S. Kosenko, S. Mavrodiev, B. Vachev


Species Extinctions

Dangers of crying wolf over risk of extinctions (Nature 428, 799, 22 April 2004) - Richard J. Ladle, Paul Jepson, Miguel B. Araújo & Robert J. Whittaker


Temperatures

A test of corrections for extraneous signals in gridded surface temperature data (Climate Research, vol. 26: 159-173, 2004) - Ross McKitrick, Patrick J. Michaels

Analysis of trends in the variability of daily and monthly historical temperature measurements (Climate Research, vol. 10: 27-33, 1998) - Patrick J. Michaels, Robert C. Balling Jr., Russell S. Vose, Paul C. Knappenberger

Conflicting Signals of Climatic Change in the Upper Indus Basin (Journal of Climate, vol. 19, issue 17, pp. 4276–4293, September 2006) - H. J. Fowler, D. R. Archer

Disparity of tropospheric and surface temperature trends: New evidence (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 31, L13207, 2004) - David H. Douglass, Benjamin D. Pearson, S. Fred Singer, Paul C. Knappenberger, Patrick J. Michaels

Differential trends in tropical sea surface and atmospheric temperatures since 1979 (Geophysical Research Letters, vol. 28, no. 1, pp. 183–186, 2001) - J. R. Christy, D. E. Parker, S. J. Brown, I. Macadam, M. Stendel, W. B. Norris

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gls
12-20-2009, 10:52 AM
No matter what people think of him, it's quite a stretch to call another person a fascist, Epic...uncalled for.

Um of course Grayson is a fascist. He wants to imprison a critic, without due process, for the exercise of First Amendment rights. Beyond that, both him and Obama are fascists in the Mussolini-defined sense of the word, as advocates for the merger of corporate and state power (despite the thin veil of tired rhetoric).

haaaylee
12-20-2009, 12:17 PM
http://www.sodahead.com/other/congressman-grayson-briefly-spent-time-in-mental-hospital/blog-179793/

Grayson briefly had a stint in a Mental Hospital. Maybe they should have kept him . . .

Liberty Star
12-20-2009, 12:42 PM
This violent nutcase tool of foreign lobbies must be stopped.





http://www.frumpgazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/225px-Alan_Grayson1.jpg
Rep. Alan Grayson (D-AIPAC)


..Grayson is fully programmed by AIPAC and the pro-war, pro-settlements wing of the Israel Lobby.

In an interview in March with the Philadelphia Jewish Voice, Grayson revealed two meetings he held the previous week with AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr. In the interview, Grayson explained how Kohr helped to “educate” him about Israel-related issues, then misquoted the Abba Eban line, “The Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.”

GRAYSON: I met with Howard Kohr, the head of AIPAC [American Israel Public Affairs Committee], twice last week.

PJV: And what was the gist of the conversation?

GRAYSON: The gist of the conversation was that Iran is a tremendous threat to Israel and needs to be stopped. And I agree with that.

PJV: And what about what is going on in the Gaza Strip; was there any conversation about that?

GRAYSON: Yes, we talked about that. I think what AIPAC often tries to do is to educate Members of Congress who frankly follow this a lot less closely than I do. In my case, I read Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post online four or five times a week, so I am pretty familiar with the circumstances and why the war took place. As a famous Israeli once said, the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

Grayson’s January 8th statement explaining his vote in favor of Israel’s assault on the Gaza Strip read like a mimeograph of those released by other AIPAC-friendly members of Congress. However, its introductory line stood out: “Congressman Alan Grayson, one of three incoming Jewish members of Congress, issued the following statement on the situation in Gaza.”

Why did Grayson feel compelled to advertise his religion in a statement in favor of a war that would ultimately kill 1400 people, including at least 400 women and children


I was trying to find banned video "Feeling the hate in Jerusalem" but came across this instead. Max Blumenthal is a liberal leaning journalist whose videos have been censored by youtube, huffington post, MSNBC because they don't show the usual positive propaganda view of mideast occupation, this was on his blog.

angelatc
12-20-2009, 01:22 PM
Clarification, that's what he said the republican's health plan is, "to die quickly".



And even that's pure bullshit. 3 or 4 GOP members tried to introduce alternative legislation and Pelosi wouldn't allow it anywhere near the floor.

He just likes hearing his own name in the press. He is a bully, a drama queen and a publicity hound using taxpayer money to tout his perceived manly awesomeness in his district: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-taxpayer-funded-mailers-20091214,0,7298751.story

Austrian Econ Disciple
12-20-2009, 01:32 PM
And even that's pure bullshit. 3 or 4 GOP members tried to introduce alternative legislation and Pelosi wouldn't allow it anywhere near the floor.

He just likes hearing his own name in the press. He is a bully, a drama queen and a publicity hound using taxpayer money to tout his perceived manly awesomeness in his district: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/os-taxpayer-funded-mailers-20091214,0,7298751.story

Would you please like to address my post to you. Thank you.

angelatc
12-20-2009, 01:40 PM
I'm pretty sure republicans, like the democrats, would like to see insurance companies stay at 10-20% profit margins, and they will twist and turn legislation to keep it that way.

Since when should the government decide how much profit a private firm should be allowed to make ?!?

What's your source on that profit margin, by the way? For somebody who says he isn't a Democrat, you seem to utter a lot of their talking points.

The insurance companies actually average a whopping $98 profit per policy and the industry operates on a 3.3% margin. Those bastards.

Here's a chart:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_otfwl2zc6Qc/SuIFQY6zybI/AAAAAAAALwo/IK1ddRvAqhA/s1600-h/profitmargins.jpg



http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2766/4201119526_a04bcac4d3_b.jpg
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/10/health-insurance-companies-rank-86-by.html

http://biz.yahoo.com/p/sum_qpmd.html

Flash
12-20-2009, 01:55 PM
A Democratic congressman is trying to silence people critical of him. And wheres the mainstream media on this?

*Crickets*

Austrian Econ Disciple
12-20-2009, 02:08 PM
Well I'm still waiting on a response from Angela.

Flash
12-20-2009, 02:21 PM
YouTube - Grayson's problem with the First Amendment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPhxD04MYoI&feature=player_embedded)

BenIsForRon
12-20-2009, 02:41 PM
Since when should the government decide how much profit a private firm should be allowed to make ?!?

What's your source on that profit margin, by the way? For somebody who says he isn't a Democrat, you seem to utter a lot of their talking points.

The insurance companies actually average a whopping $98 profit per policy and the industry operates on a 3.3% margin. Those bastards.



You need to stop putting words in my mouth. I did not say it is government's role to decide which profit margins are acceptable.

I've heard from many sources that the insurance companies only spend 80 to 90% of the money they collect on health coverage. That figure was between 95 and 97% 20 years ago or so. This should be an unsustainable business model, but because of all the regulations that the government has implemented, these insurance companies have an unfair advantage in the market. I agree with many of the reforms Peter Schiff has brought up in interviews.

I think your chart might be skewed by including all health insurance companies under one umbrella. I'm talking of course about the major 5 or so, that are used by most employers.

silverhandorder
12-20-2009, 02:46 PM
You need to stop putting words in my mouth. I did not say it is government's role to decide which profit margins are acceptable.

I've heard from many sources that the insurance companies only spend 80 to 90% of the money they collect on health coverage. That figure was between 95 and 97% 20 years ago or so. This should be an unsustainable business model, but because of all the regulations that the government has implemented, these insurance companies have an unfair advantage in the market. I agree with many of the reforms Peter Schiff has brought up in interviews.

I think your chart might be skewed by including all health insurance companies under one umbrella. I'm talking of course about the major 5 or so, that are used by most employers.

Um because of the regulations they are not making money. Any profits you see come from the fact that there are heavy subsidies involved.

Austrian Econ Disciple
12-20-2009, 02:47 PM
You need to stop putting words in my mouth. I did not say it is government's role to decide which profit margins are acceptable.

I've heard from many sources that the insurance companies only spend 80 to 90% of the money they collect on health coverage. That figure was between 95 and 97% 20 years ago or so. This should be an unsustainable business model, but because of all the regulations that the government has implemented, these insurance companies have an unfair advantage in the market. I agree with many of the reforms Peter Schiff has brought up in interviews.

I think your chart might be skewed by including all health insurance companies under one umbrella. I'm talking of course about the major 5 or so, that are used by most employers.

You are debating someone who supports socialized healthcare. Angela is quite a dichotomy, isn't she. She supports restricting who and who not a private business can allow to consume their product (Insurance), and supports the current system which is for all intents and purposes largely socialist, yet, on the other hand doesn't care how much profit they make, supposedly her one and only market acquiesance. Quite the contradictions!

Angela when you get back on, do you want to have a meaningful conversation on where you stand, logic, practicality, and meaningful reform?