Stossel - December 17, 2009

[CaseyJones]

YouTube - Stossel - December 17, 2009 - Pt 1 of 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4ndu_y2yLQ&feature=channel)

[carmaphob]

awesome, thanks!

[ForLiberty-RonPaul]

could he run that car wash bit by me again? not sure i got it the first time :D

[SelfTaught]

could he run that car wash bit by me again? not sure i got it the first time :D

Hell yeah! Hahaha. Where are these carwashes and why doesn't my car insurance cover this?

Anyways, the audience has soooooooooooo.......many socialists. It seems like they REALLY did a random sampling judging by how many people in the audience were FOR socialized medicine.

[BenIsForRon]

Hell yeah! Hahaha. Where are these carwashes and why doesn't my car insurance cover this?

Anyways, the audience has soooooooooooo.......many socialists. It seems like they REALLY did a random sampling judging by how many people in the audience were FOR socialized medicine.

Which is how it should be. It legitimizes the show and allows Stossel to put up good arguments.

[james1906]

could he run that car wash bit by me again? not sure i got it the first time :D

Now that's a government service I want!

[lester1/2jr]

I liked this show. it had a lot of good ideas and stossel did a decent job of preventing both sides.

the problem with these beltway/ reason type libertarians is they aren't activists. Their ideas for health care are 1000 times better than the liberal guys, but at least the liberal guy WANTS change.

stossel and co are basically happy with the status quo for practical purposes

[Dreamofunity]

That guy has some crazy hair.

[morran]

Great show, though I'd hope they'd scarp the random clapping. Go Stossel!

[Cowlesy]

I loved how you could see the discontent everytime they panned to the socialists in the audience.

[RevolutionSD]

Although of course I agree with Stossel & Mackey, I think they lost the debate when that guy in part 3 or 4 was asking them about parks & schools & medicare. Both Stossel & Mackey said yeah well that's different! (Stossel did make a good point about the government handling parks being a disaster). The problem is, it's not different, so evil here wins by default.

ALL of these government services are provided at the barrel of a gun. Any time you have violence at the root of the program or service, it's a horrible idea no matter how many statistics get thrown around. Stossel & Mackey are making that guy's argument when they say "yeah but that's different"- because they are then playing that guy's statist game, instead of calling out the major evil of the situation- the immorality of stealing money from people through threat of force to accomplish societal goals.

[hugolp]

Thanks for this. It was great.

[james1906]

Although of course I agree with Stossel & Mackey, I think they lost the debate when that guy in part 3 or 4 was asking them about parks & schools & medicare. Both Stossel & Mackey said yeah well that's different! (Stossel did make a good point about the government handling parks being a disaster). The problem is, it's not different, so evil here wins by default.

ALL of these government services are provided at the barrel of a gun. Any time you have violence at the root of the program or service, it's a horrible idea no matter how many statistics get thrown around. Stossel & Mackey are making that guy's argument when they say "yeah but that's different"- because they are then playing that guy's statist game, instead of calling out the major evil of the situation- the immorality of stealing money from people through threat of force to accomplish societal goals.

Yeah, I wished that they said the parks are funded through user fees and that there's competition in that other recreation options exist.

Why was half the audience androgynous?

[SelfTaught]

Ya know, I've decided that I'm VERY glad that Stossel has so many socialists/communists on his show. Gives the liberty people more chances to make them look like fools. Actually?.....isn't that what the show is about?

Ahhh yes. Once again I flabbergast myself (no ****).

[james1906]

Ya know, I've decided that I'm VERY glad that Stossel has so many socialists/communists on his show. Gives the liberty people more chances to make them look like fools. Actually?.....isn't that what the show is about?

Ahhh yes. Once again I flabbergast myself (no ****).

I don't believe the intent is to make fools out of people. The college aged couple in the audience have their hearts in the right place, they just don't have a wallet to think with yet.

[SimpleName]

EDIT: Not having watched the entire episode, I didn't realize he DID in fact have on a second guest. And also some other guy who supports universal healthcare. Thou Shalt Watch Without Assumption

I do like the audience, so you can get a real feel as to what other people are thinking instantaneously. The issue I have is a personal one though. I hate listening to liberals speak. They are so utopia-driven. "Well, there is still poor people..." There will always be poor people if you expect to live in a society with any real freedom. "Just because socialism didn't work elsewhere, doesn't mean it won't work if done right." That is great and all to ponder, but why implement it when we have had a rather well working system in place (not in hc, but that isn't free market much at all)? With all those failures in the past, is the risk worth it? And then they never bother to look at the financing. How will it work? Do you want to have a personal life at all? And of course, they never bring in the Constitution. If the government can reject anything in the document, they can reject all of it. Well, alright, lets put the hippie-dippies in concentration camps and eliminate ALL free speech and protest! What is preventing them? You? Nah...Hitler got away with it, America can too (and more so, their much-wanted global government).

Great show though. Stossel explains stuff better than the best of them. Like my fellow Paulite though, I'm having a tough time getting the analogy with the car wash. I'll have to go back over it and see whats up.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

EDIT: Not having watched the entire episode, I didn't realize he DID in fact have on a second guest. And also some other guy who supports universal healthcare. Thou Shalt Watch Without Assumption

I do like the audience, so you can get a real feel as to what other people are thinking instantaneously. The issue I have is a personal one though. I hate listening to liberals speak. They are so utopia-driven. "Well, there is still poor people..." There will always be poor people if you expect to live in a society with any real freedom. "Just because socialism didn't work elsewhere, doesn't mean it won't work if done right." That is great and all to ponder, but why implement it when we have had a rather well working system in place (not in hc, but that isn't free market much at all)? With all those failures in the past, is the risk worth it? And then they never bother to look at the financing. How will it work? Do you want to have a personal life at all? And of course, they never bring in the Constitution. If the government can reject anything in the document, they can reject all of it. Well, alright, lets put the hippie-dippies in concentration camps and eliminate ALL free speech and protest! What is preventing them? You? Nah...Hitler got away with it, America can too (and more so, their much-wanted global government).

Great show though. Stossel explains stuff better than the best of them. Like my fellow Paulite though, I'm having a tough time getting the analogy with the car wash. I'll have to go back over it and see whats up.

Whenever someone says "But, the poor people." I calmly tell them "We live in a world of scarce resources, of course there will always be poor people. Do tell, in what universe do you live in where our resources are infinite?".

There will always be poor people no matter what. Socialism by default just makes everyone poor, which altogether should invalidate it instantly. It's been said socialists are so enamored with equality, they would rather be equal in poverty, than unequal in the blessings of the free-market (Churchill I believe, granted he himself was a Socialist without even knowing LMAO).

I do enjoy Stossel, but if only he would read Rothbard, Block, and Hoppe, he would strengthen his debate skills tremendously.

[SelfTaught]

I do enjoy Stossel, but if only he would read Rothbard, Block, and Hoppe, he would strengthen his debate skills tremendously.

He has read Block. I remember he said in one interview that one of his favorite books is "Defending the Undefendable".

[Chester Copperpot]

dude im on part 5.... this show is awesome

[sunghoko]

Stossel tries to approach health care debate as well as pretty much any subject logically and it just makes sense to me.

With this show's format, we can hear a bleeding heart liberal's reaction instantaneously. I betting that universal health care proponents probably want to throw a brick through the TV when watching his special "Sick in America"