Pope Benedict Arnold the environmentalist commie

[sofia]

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE5BE1UR20091215

[awake]

Its official: Environmentalism is a religious, political, scientific socialism. If you deny and defy climate authoritarians you will be depopulated.

[Light]

A lot of religious leaders are jumping on the Climate Change bandwagon in the hope that it will attract a lot of the Hitler Youth Greenazis to their congregations and churches. Unfortunately, what these church leaders do not realize, is that the Greenazis already have a god and a church, the church of a world government with humanity as its devil.

[Brooklyn Red Leg]

Gee, what is one of the entities that will be receiving mountains of money when the Global Carbon Tax is levied? Why, The Bank of the Vatican. Fuck the Pope. Fuck the Bishops that installed him and his douchebag followers. I hope a bolt of lightning fries his ass. :mad:

[Romulus]

oh my catholic aunt is going to have a hard time with this one...

[sofia]

oh my catholic aunt is going to have a hard time with this one...

Popes have strayed as far away from true Cathlocism as politicians have from the Constitution.

[Romulus]

you know how some people are though... blind as a damn bat.

[NYgs23]

Just to point out this is simply a message from the Pope, not Church doctrine. Around here, I suspect some folks don't notice the difference. Also, I don't see that he openly advocates any specific policy, though this has become par for the course with a lot of this stuff: try not to alienate anyone by stating a specific position of action, just say "Don't be obsessed with consumerism. Take care of the planet." Well, who can disagree with that?

Here's the actual text (http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/EN1/Articolo.asp?c=342292), in which he also says this:


On the other hand, a correct understanding of the relationship between man and the environment will not end by absolutizing nature or by considering it more important than the human person. If the Church’s magisterium expresses grave misgivings about notions of the environment inspired by ecocentrism and biocentrism, it is because such notions eliminate the difference of identity and worth between the human person and other living things. In the name of a supposedly egalitarian vision of the “dignity” of all living creatures, such notions end up abolishing the distinctiveness and superior role of human beings. They also open the way to a new pantheism tinged with neo-paganism, which would see the source of man’s salvation in nature alone, understood in purely naturalistic terms.

More analysis here (http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/12/benedict-xvis-message-for-2010-world-day-of-peace/), for example.

[Romulus]

some(most?) catholics treat the pope as jesus or a living god...

and of course he'll throw in some double speak for good measure.. what great deceiver doesnt?

[Elwar]

some(most?) catholics treat the pope as jesus or a living god...

and of course he'll throw in some double speak for good measure.. what great deceiver doesnt?

For Catholics, the Pope is treated as the Apostle Paul who built the first church. They see the Pope as the successor of Paul, working to maintain His church.

This pope is not all that charming as the last pope, he's more of an intellectual and doesn't hold his tongue when postulating about the big questions. He even said, before he was chosen as the pope, that he would make a terrible pope.

I read the full text of his speech where the Muslims were up in arms about him "dissing" Islam. The speech was actually about trying to take a rational and skeptical approach to religion and not blindly follow without understanding it. During that speech he happened to quote another philosopher who said that Islam brought many of the same things to the table as other religions except that it also brought the idea of violence to non-believers, which was different from the teachings of most other religions.

Perhaps he teaches us best that intellectuals don't belong in such public positions. I imagine Ron Paul's words would get twisted day and night as president.

[Romulus]

I imagine Ron Paul's words would get twisted day and night as president.

His words have not been twisted as of now.. because he doesnt speak cryptically and only speaks truth as far as I'm concerned.

[Elwar]

His words have not been twisted as of now.. because he doesnt speak cryptically and only speaks truth as far as I'm concerned.

"Ron Paul blames America for 9/11"

Ron Paul in his own words: Diversity is racism (http://digg.com/politics/Ron_Paul_in_his_own_words_diversity_is_racism)

Ron Paul calls Huckabee a Fascist (http://digg.com/politics/Ron_Paul_Says_Huckabee_is_a_Fascist)

YouTube - Ron Paul and Alex Jones supporter, Pastor Steven Anderson, hopes for Obama's death. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmHTaSmIIWI)

[Romulus]

ok.. you're right there.

but are you really defending the pope's support for socialism?

[Elwar]

ok.. you're right there.

but are you really defending the pope's support for socialism?

I read the text...I saw no support of socialism. I would ask the media why they didn't focus on the pope's message of peace.

If people were to follow the religious doctrine of peace and helping the poor then the governments would have a hard time pushing their agendas.

[NYgs23]

For Catholics, the Pope is treated as the Apostle Paul who built the first church. They see the Pope as the successor of Paul, working to maintain His church.

Actually he's the heir of St. Peter.

[sofia]

If the Pope wants to open his mouth on matters of politics, then he's fair game.

This little troll has turned his back on the Christians of Palestine

[Elwar]

Actually he's the heir of St. Peter.

Yes, my bad.

[Romulus]

I read the text...I saw no support of socialism.



VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Industrialized nations must recognize their responsibility for the environmental crisis, shed their consumerism and embrace more sober lifestyles, Pope Benedict said on Tuesday.

"This means that technologically advanced societies must be prepared to encourage more sober lifestyles, while reducing their energy consumption and improving its efficiency."

are you telling me that's not a socialist model? telling 'free' countries how to live?

sounds like a holier than thou globalist to me.

Its BS socialism shrouded in religion and environmentalism. see Al Gore.

[Elwar]

are you telling me that's not a socialist model? telling 'free' countries how to live?

sounds like a holier than thou globalist to me.

Its BS socialism shrouded in religion and environmentalism. see Al Gore.

It's religion shrouded in religion. Christianity's first 100 years was a voluntary commune type of setup. I would imagine that every religious leader would say something along the lines of rejecting consumerism and helping the poor.

Religion is voluntary...at least for us here. I see nothing wrong with someone calling upon people to voluntarily help others.

[raiha]

"Don't be obsessed with consumerism. Take care of the planet." Well, who can disagree with that?

Here's the actual text, in which he also says this:


Quote:
On the other hand, a correct understanding of the relationship between man and the environment will not end by absolutizing nature or by considering it more important than the human person. If the Church’s magisterium expresses grave misgivings about notions of the environment inspired by ecocentrism and biocentrism, it is because such notions eliminate the difference of identity and worth between the human person and other living things. In the name of a supposedly egalitarian vision of the “dignity” of all living creatures, such notions end up abolishing the distinctiveness and superior role of human beings. They also open the way to a new pantheism tinged with neo-paganism, which would see the source of man’s salvation in nature alone, understood in purely naturalistic terms.

Why thank-you NYgs23! (Hope the gs doesn't stand for goldman sachs)

Actions have consequences. Individual responsibility for your actions. Excess is Excretion (Ursula Le Quin) The world is swimming in plastic and toxins because the human race consists primarily of pigs in troughs.
I live in a country where people try and tidy up after themselves. That's why tourists flock here and it doesn't take us half an hour to unwrap every little item on our breakfast table when we are out and throuw it in the bin. Green nazi talk is sheer demonization, hysteria and overkill. Get over yourselves.
PS I believe in climate change but i do not believe it is man-made. Stop slagging off my green friends...the nicest kindest people i know (a bit deluded in some areas maybe) but good wholesome ethical kind people Sofia.

[Romulus]

Its not religion, its politics because its not voluntary on an individual level. Its involuntary when it becomes law.

Do you really think the state forceing the middle class to lower the standard of living somehow helps the poor? Are you saying the socialist model helps the poor and has nothing to do with strong centralized power?

The only difference is what he says and what Obama says is the people who buy into it for their very own reasons.

[NYgs23]

are you telling me that's not a socialist model? telling 'free' countries how to live?

sounds like a holier than thou globalist to me.

Its BS socialism shrouded in religion and environmentalism. see Al Gore.

The words are vague, but they can be interpreted to mean individuals voluntarily choosing to "embrace more sober lifestyles." This is not uncommon in statements coming out of the Vatican because they often try to be as broad and noncontroversial as possible when it comes to matters of political policy.

[Romulus]

yeah.. its beats saying... 'hey, rollover to tyranny and support your godverment in all its freedom stripmining because its especially holy to give away your liberty to charity, you'll be closer to jesus if you do that.'

[Elwar]

The only difference is what he says and what Obama says is the people who buy into it for their very own reasons.

And the fact that when Obama says it, he's working to get police with guns to follow through. The Pope relies on your faith in God to motivate.

[Romulus]

Pope loving Catholics are politicians and even policemen too, you know.

[Elwar]

Pope loving Catholics are politicians and even policemen too, you know.

So are Beatles loving politicians and policemen...

Your point is?

[Romulus]

Beatles what?

point is: ideological brain + wash. that is covering all the bases, whether its spiritual or political and even overlapping the two.

obama + the pope are calling for the same agenda, using different terms and means. the receivers of the message vary, bu the message is the same.

[Carole]

Oh yeah, Popey??

Then I suggest that rich Vatican City donate its fair share. :D

[NYgs23]

Oh yeah, Popey??

Then I suggest that rich Vatican City donate its fair share. :D

Well, um...

Vatican to Build Europe’s Largest Solar Power Plant (http://www.inhabitat.com/2009/04/20/vatican-to-build-europes-largest-solar-power-plant/)


The smallest country in the world recently announced that it intends to spend 660 million dollars to create what will effectively be Europe’s largest solar power plant. This massive 100 megawatt photovoltaic installation will provide enough energy to make the Vatican the first solar powered nation state in the world!....It is contemplating using an electric popemobile, the Vatican cafeteria will soon be decked with a solar heating system to provide heating and cooling, and even the Pope’s summer residence is being fitted out to get power from the methane generated by the horse stables.