REPUBLICANS and libertarians must unite

[sarahgop]

we must all vote republican to take back congress and roll back deathcare.

[Jeremy]

Most libertarians here ARE Republicans.

[squarepusher]

I agree and/or disagree

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I'm starting to agree more and more. This is simply because the left has proven themselves bankrupt and nuts. They aren't even serious about ending the war--notice how nearly every lefty anti-war group has shut down since Obama was installed. And that was the main issue most Ron Paulians/libertarians agreed with them on. They're useless as allies and very dangerous on most matters of policy.

[heavenlyboy34]

we must all vote republican to take back congress and roll back deathcare.

I only agree to the extent that Obama is in office, and the GOP would be more likely to block the administration's agenda. :cool:

[klamath]

Vote gridlock.

[Stary Hickory]

Republicans need to protect the rights of it's citizens and stop the growth of big government...then talk to us about uniting. I won't unite just to be unified. Obey the constitution and stop all this warmongering.

Anyways, Libertarians are hardcore against statist health care...the question is are the Republicans against it? Because they have been coming up with statist lite versions themselves......and I lose more and more respect every time they do it. It's the accumulation of all the little "compromises" that is killing us now.

[Ethek]

I'll plug my sites in my sig.

Also, the most important 15 minutes anyone in the liberty movement needs to hear and for everyone to understand. Very few in the TeaParties actually understand any of it. They are just angry and unproductive. Starts at 49min 40seconds.

An Idea Whose Time Has Come - G. Edward Griffin - Freedom Force International (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6015291679758430958#50m01s)

I'll add a foot note about the video. The key is instituting a framework that protects those in the liberty movement from being coopted by the positions they assume. The constitution or some proxy until a working constitution can be restored.

[LibertyMage]

we must all vote republican to take back congress and roll back deathcare.

We will vote for Republicans when they support small government policies. When they act like democrats, we will tear them down and throw them out on their necks.

[sofia]

the GOP is not to be trusted. They will stab conservatives in the back once they ride back into power on our steam.

Sarah Palin is George Bush with lipstick.

[constituent]

I'm starting to agree more and more. This is simply because the left has proven themselves bankrupt and nuts. They aren't even serious about ending the war--notice how nearly every lefty anti-war group has shut down since Obama was installed. And that was the main issue most Ron Paulians/libertarians agreed with them on. They're useless as allies and very dangerous on most matters of policy.

lol, just wait to you put John B. back in charge...

[paulitics]

No more shutting the barnyard door after the horse has already bolted. All this socialism is the pricetag we have to pay for the idiotic Iraq War, and corruption under the Republicans.

This is the neocons fault for their deception. The Dems at least own up to the fact that they want a socialized government.

If we put the neocons back into power after the Dems get done raping us, then we are just asking for even greater assaults on our liberties, and a policestate that will truly boggle the mind. The republicans only get stuff done, if it is for the expansion of government power. They never have shrunk the size of government despite their convincing rhetoric.

[jmdrake]

we must all vote republican to take back congress and roll back deathcare.

Ummmm....how about we work our collective butts off in the primaries to get worthwhile candidates instead?

[FrankRep]

we must all vote republican to take back congress and roll back deathcare.
Republican leadership are trying to kick out the Libertarians.

[MN Patriot]

The most important 15 minutes anyone in the liberty movement needs to hear and for everyone to understand. Very few in the TeaParties actually understand any of it. They are just angry and unproductive. Starts at 49min 40seconds.

An Idea Whose Time Has Come - G. Edward Griffin - Freedom Force International (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6015291679758430958#50m01s)



A+++

This video is well worth 1 hour 23 minutes. It should have it's own thread. I encourage everyone to watch it.

G Edward Griffin has established himself as an inspiration and a leader in the freedom movement.

[Romulus]

vote only for those worth supporting.. lesser of evils is still evil.

[NYgs23]

We all know that the minute the Republicans get back into power they will go back to seeming worse than the Dems again. They will expand the war even more fiercely, dropping bombs on Iran (bomb, bomb Iran!) and throwing "terr'rists" into secret prisons without trial. In addition, they will push through all the same economic shit Obama & Co are pushing, massive deficits (the Repubs are experts on that), healthcare reform (which is amounting to a massive giveaway to Big Pharma and insurance companies anyway--what a shocker!), cap & trade (it's a "pro-business" way of solving climate change), meddling with the financial industry, etc. Only they will do it all in the name of "free market principles" and people will believe them and blame those supposed free market principles when things get even worse!

Do we so soon forget the TARP bailout, NCLB, Prescription Drug Act (biggest entitlement increase since LBJ), Sarbanes-Oxley (most extensive regulatory overhaul of financial securities market (!) since FDR), farm subsidies, steel tariffs, pork barrel highway bill, etc, etc ,etc? And they'd do it all over again if they could weasel back into power again. Don't be duped by the divide and conquer scheme of the phony left-right, Rep-Dem duopoly ruling over us. That is the death of the freedom movement.

[Mini-Me]

No more shutting the barnyard door after the horse has already bolted. All this socialism is the pricetag we have to pay for the idiotic Iraq War, and corruption under the Republicans.

This is the neocons fault for their deception. The Dems at least own up to the fact that they want a socialized government.

If we put the neocons back into power after the Dems get done raping us, then we are just asking for even greater assaults on our liberties, and a policestate that will truly boggle the mind. The republicans only get stuff done, if it is for the expansion of government power. They never have shrunk the size of government despite their convincing rhetoric.

Agree, agree, and agree...


We all know that the minute the Republicans get back into power they will go back to seeming worse than the Dems again. They will expand the war even more fiercely, dropping bombs on Iran (bomb, bomb Iran!) and throwing "terr'rists" into secret prisons without trial. In addition, they will push through all the same economic shit Obama & Co are pushing, massive deficits (the Repubs are experts on that), healthcare reform (which is amounting to a massive giveaway to Big Pharma and insurance companies anyway--what a shocker!), cap & trade (it's a "pro-business" way of solving climate change), meddling with the financial industry, etc. Only they will do it all in the name of "free market principles" and people will believe them and blame those supposed free market principles when things get even worse!

Do we so soon forget the TARP bailout, NCLB, Prescription Drug Act (biggest entitlement increase since LBJ), Sarbanes-Oxley (most extensive regulatory overhaul of financial securities market (!) since FDR), farm subsidies, steel tariffs, pork barrel highway bill, etc, etc ,etc? And they'd do it all over again if they could weasel back into power again. Don't be duped by the divide and conquer scheme of the phony left-right, Rep-Dem duopoly ruling over us. That is the death of the freedom movement.
agree, and agree! :)

[bunklocoempire]

we must all vote republican to take back congress and roll back deathcare.

DON'T TREAD ON ME!
(unless you're a Republican) :rolleyes:

I'll support the best candidate.

As Bush did, Obama is churning out a slew of betrayed Democrat party voters.

I've got more in common with betrayed folk -who realize betrayal, than with those who keep betraying each of their parties -and those who keep supporting betrayers.

The BETRAYED must unite, and they will. :)

Bunkloco

[Ethek]

DON'T TREAD ON ME!
(unless you're a Republican) :rolleyes:

I'll support the best candidate.

As Bush did, Obama is churning out a slew of betrayed Democrat party voters.

I've got more in common with betrayed folk -who realize betrayal, than with those who keep betraying each of their parties -and those who keep supporting betrayers.

The BETRAYED must unite, and they will. :)

Bunkloco

I like this.

[BuddyRey]

No political party will save us; not the Democrats, not the Republicans, not even the Libertarians.

The one thing...the one simple thing that will liberate us as individuals is to simply begin living as free individuals again. Non-violent civil disobedience, tax resistance ("starving the beast") and simple refusal to obey non-Natural Law-based government dictates can and will be the final answer in this country once people realize that the political process is naturally designed not to bring us the results we seek.

Who was it who once said, "If voting actually changed anything, it would be made illegal"?

Now, I'm not saying that we shouldn't engage in electoral politics. We should continue to run candidates and fund political campaigns, since they educate and inspire countless thousands of people. Heck, we might even get several of these folks elected and begin turning things around (I'll be the first to congratulate the political folks on that day). But compromising our ideals to make nice with the Republicrats would defeat the entire purpose of political action.

[AuH20]

Unite with the republican party apparatnik or the actual citizens who vote republican? If it's the latter, I'm game, but if it's former, I'm not too enthusiastic.

[BillyDkid]

Yes the Dems are awful, but kidding yourself that the GOP is any better (and I say this as a Republican) is a fools game. Good God almighty, you saw what they did when they controlled the government for the previous 8 years. You saw what they did to Ron Paul during the campaign. In fact, the GOP is worse - they pretend to care about liberty and reducing the state when clearly they could not care less. Please, do not fall into the partisan trap. This has nothing to do with left/right or GOP/Democrats. This is about liberty and the GOP are no more libertarian than the democrats. Both parties hate liberty.

[Old Ducker]

we must all vote republican to take back congress and roll back deathcare.

Sorry Sarah but the blood of Iraqi and Afghani children isn't on my hands and I intend to keep it that way. I could think of a thousand other reasons to revile the GOP, but that one's the biggie for me.

[The Deacon]

Republican and libertarian voters must unite, and stick our size 12 boots up the Republican politicians'* asses.






*of course with a couple exceptions.

[Truth-Bringer]

We will vote for Republicans when they support small government policies. When they act like democrats, we will tear them down and throw them out on their necks.

Well said.

[axiomata]

I'll wait to see if Republicans got the message last election cycle.

I sure hope I will be able to vote for some next time around in good conscience.

[Athan]

we must all vote republican to take back congress and roll back deathcare.

It won't matter. The dollar collapse will happen before the neo-cons start figuring out what the hell is going on and start listening to us.

The U.S. is going the way of the USSR.

[JeNNiF00F00]

Well considering that the OP just came into chat calling libertarians, "Liberaltarians", and talking smack about how they are all democrats makes me think this person is a troll, or is clearly uneducated on politics and doesn't understand anything she is talking about. What she doesn't understand is that its people like her that has made me rethink my position on being a republican or even staying within the GOP.

[devil21]

YouTube - Holy fuck! Geo Bush THEN vs Ron Paul NOW (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MpTNdcM_e0&feature=PlayList&p=9865CE32258D5BBC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=11)

Rinse and repeat.

[paulitics]

We must all vote Dem to roll back the patriot act, wiretapping, and other civil liberties abuses, as well as change the course in our disastrous foreign policy.

Oh wait.

When the next gaggle of big government loving tyrants get into power (the GOP) nothing will get done, except expand the power of government all under the guise of fighting the war on terror.

This is nothing but a uniform change with new colors. Perhaps it would be best that the balance of power is 50%, so that gridlock has a chance to slow these parasites down from sucking the remaining lifeblood of productivity left.

[BuddyRey]

I'll vote Republican when Republicans field a candidate worthy of my vote.

It's as simple as that.

[sofia]

we must all vote republican to take back congress and roll back deathcare.

We did that back in 1994...and then took the White House in 2000....a 6 year run of a GOP President, and a GOP Congress and Senate...

How did that work out for ya?

Palin - Bonior - McConnel would just be a replay of Bush - Gingrich -Dole

no thanks

[georgiaboy]

We must all vote for the candidate(s) that espouse, vote, legislate, and enact policies that work to restore the size and scope of the federal government as written in the U.S. Constitution, including sound money, elimination of most federal departments and agencies, non-interventionist foreign policy, well-defended homeland, ...

If that happens to be a Republican, great.

[speciallyblend]

we must all vote republican to take back congress and roll back deathcare.

once the neo-cons are out of power. i might consider voting in a republican. As a republican my goal is to unelect the neo-cons and vote in republicans or any party that is better then the failed gop. the problem is the gop is not running republicans, Vote'em out if neo-cons or pretenders. when the gop starts running Liberty candidates i will consider until then vote'em out.... same for the tea party and the palin wanna bes..

the gop will alienate themselves if they do not listen... and they are not listening!!

insurance companies are death care( 250,000 in medical bills,f insurance companies). insurance companies should be outlawed along with the neo-cons, death to insurance companies.. the only health care reform is to outlaw insurance companies. the only thing republicans and dems will do is make sure they screw americans by making sure insurance companies screw us. if i had my way i would lock up every insurance company for the scum they are. insurance companies are the shit that comes out of the asses of republicans and democrats..

[xd9fan]

its time for the Republicans to walk up to the Libertarians in the party and say sorry we fucked up.

If not fuckem

after 2005 I longer will "carry the water" for the GOP

if they can "get it" they quite frankly can go to hell.

they did serious serious damage.

[Toureg89]

Most libertarians here ARE Republicans.
i certainly am. for those of us in a closed primary system, we have to have (R)s behind us so we can vote for ron paul.

[Slutter McGee]

I think there are three major issues. The Republican issue, the Conservative Issue, and the Liberty issue.

Republicans, or those who are republicans first and principled second, deserve our support only so much as they will create gridlock in Congress.

Conservatives, and I am using the term broadly and most specifically to represent true fiscal conservatives (even if they are socially conservative in some issues) deserve our votes, but not necessarily our financial efforts. Getting these types in will buy us time to get true liberty candidates in.

And for Liberty candidates...we should go all out.

I do believe an alliance is needed between conservatives and libertarian, but there are many devisive issues. It is too bad that nobody takes Federalism seriously anymore. If that was the case we could feel comfortable uniting with Social Conservatives at the Federal level while fighting against them at the state level. The only issue would be foreign policy. Eventually, however, we may be able to unite on that as well. The Liberty movement would be against the war for moral reasons, and the social conservatives might one day recognize that we simply cannot afford it.

Ok. End of rant. Take it easy,

Slutter McGee

[Liberty Star]

I agree and/or disagree

Ditto.

God knows I want to unite with Bush-Cheney-McCain-Rumsfeld clan but...likes of Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin keep spoiling the party.

Are there any good Republicans out there who are better than Obama and Rahm Emanuel and that wheezle Reid?

[Old Ducker]

we must all vote republican to take back congress and roll back deathcare.

Fuck the GOP. I'll vote for Ron Paul or any lilke minded candidate from any party, other than that, I refuse to vote at all.

[speciallyblend]

I'll vote Republican when Republicans field a candidate worthy of my vote.

It's as simple as that.

2nd,3rd 4th 5th and so on that motion;)

[Dreamofunity]

Republicans are awesome! Fuck yeah, I love war, deficit financing, the Patriot Act and George Bush!


No thanks, I'll sit this one out and get bum raped by whomever the idiots choose to elect. Democrats or Republicans, we're screwed either way. It's the same arguement the Democrats made against Bush for Obama - "look how bad he and the republicans are, vote democrat." I didn't fall for it then, I won't fall for it now.

[speciallyblend]

Republican leadership are trying to kick out the Libertarians.

if they succeed the gop dies;) the gop will alienate themselves by alienating my vote against them...

[tonesforjonesbones]

well, I am even worried about ROn Paul's seat. I am hoping that 41 republicans (or libertarians if they can do it) win in the house. We need more balance..the democraps are TERRIBLE. This last debacle with Harry Reid is over the top. The double standards and HY - Pocracy in the democrap party is nauseating. tones

[Imperial]

well, I am even worried about ROn Paul's seat. I am hoping that 41 republicans (or libertarians if they can do it) win in the house. We need more balance..the democraps are TERRIBLE. This last debacle with Harry Reid is over the top. The double standards and HY - Pocracy in the democrap party is nauseating. tones

Ron Paul will not lose his seat. He doesn't have any high profile or well-funded challengers.

[dgr]

Depends on which GOP you mean , the Rockerfelle- Bush I and II globalist, or the party of Reagan.. It not talked about in the GOP, but Reagan almost ran as the Conservatative Party Candidate and not the GOP.
Now that an effort is being made to unite the the many small groups into one, there might even be a chance to push the GOP towards a more constitutional frame of mind, but as a life long republician, be wary of a wolf in sheeps clothing. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GLOBALIZATION REPUBLICIAN AND A LIBERAL DEMOCRAT.

[purplechoe]

http://redstatepatriot.com/GOPSuicide.jpg

and this is what will happen if Palin is the next face of the GOP:

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/D/T/2/palin-gop-future.jpg

http://blogs.e-rockford.com/applesauce/files/2009/11/gop-suicide1.jpg

http://www.dailypaul.com/files/images/kt-feb-1.jpg

[parocks]

The Dems are socialist, and prowar, and have been since Wilson at least.

There are some Reps who are neocon.

A battle plan would involve removing neocons from the Republican party.

Rank and file Conservatives, Registered Republicans, are not necessarily gung-ho neocons, but they may at this time support the neocon agenda.

Liberty minded Conservatives should be arguing with neocons when they can, when it is advantageous to do so.

Obama hit Yemen with Cruise Missiles. When RP is arguing against Obama on that point, and RP is attacked by neocons, find neocons, and point out that the neocons are supporting Obama. The neocons aren't loyal to Republicans. The neocons are loyal to war in the middle east.

The message is war is traditionally Democrat. Antiwar, or isolationism, or non-interventionism, is traditionally Republican. Neocon is new. Started in the 1970s or thereabouts. Irving Kristol was a Trotskyite. The neocons all came from Scoop Jackson's (D) staff. Bob Dole in 1976 talked about Democrat wars.

The opportunity exists when neocons defend Obama.
The method is pointing out that neocons are ex Democrats, ex Trotskyites.
The goal is to get them out of the Republican party.

There are a lot of voices right here. When the opportunity arises, find neocons on other message boards (freerepublic.com for one) and use the method.

If one were to argue that Republicans and libertarians should unite, I'd say that Paleoconservatives and Libertarians should unite, and kick the neocons out of the Republican party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservatism
That's a wikipedia article on Paleoconservativism. Do the hardcore libertarians like the Paleoconservative message well enough?



once the neo-cons are out of power. i might consider voting in a republican. As a republican my goal is to unelect the neo-cons and vote in republicans or any party that is better then the failed gop. the problem is the gop is not running republicans, Vote'em out if neo-cons or pretenders. when the gop starts running Liberty candidates i will consider until then vote'em out.... same for the tea party and the palin wanna bes..

the gop will alienate themselves if they do not listen... and they are not listening!!

insurance companies are death care( 250,000 in medical bills,f insurance companies). insurance companies should be outlawed along with the neo-cons, death to insurance companies.. the only health care reform is to outlaw insurance companies. the only thing republicans and dems will do is make sure they screw americans by making sure insurance companies screw us. if i had my way i would lock up every insurance company for the scum they are. insurance companies are the shit that comes out of the asses of republicans and democrats..