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Grimnir Wotansvolk
12-14-2009, 02:37 AM
While I fully understand why most of you bristle at moves that the "green" crowd has made in response to the climate-change issue, what I see here is a grand opportunity for a "best of both worlds" approach, if certain conditions are met.

That is to say, I think that that the radical environmentalist left and the free market right can and should be the best of friends.

The answer lies in this article: Military Pollution (http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0327-21.htm)

The U.S. Department of Defense is the largest polluter in the world, producing more hazardous waste than the five largest U.S. chemical companies combined.

Both sides of aisle are missing some important points. To the anti-warmists, I say that, regardless of what the truth is about climate change, you'd have to be high on heroin not to understand that mankind is responsible for dealing enormous harm to the environment.

And to the pro-warmists, I say that even if global warming is 100% true, that still doesn't justify the kind of moves being made in the name of stopping catastrophic environmental damage.

Using regulatory power to influence the way the average civilian behaves doesn't even come close to putting a dent in the deleterious effects we've had on the environment. That's because the average person - even all of them together - cannot be held responsible for environmental catastrophe, any more than they can be held responsible for wars of aggression.

The mercantilism state-big business fuckbuddy system, particularly the military-industrial complex, is chiefly to blame for problems that greens are concerned with. Rightists and leftists can largely agree that putting an end to rampant militarism, by hacking and slashing the military budget and reigning it in to the point where it can do no harm, we'll deal a serious blow to the issues of climate change and pollution.

Let's kill two birds with one stone. End wars of aggression and stop pollution - detonate the U.S. military industrial complex!

tpreitzel
12-14-2009, 03:04 AM
And the best way to accomplish the goal of detonating the MI complex is?
























Cutting off the money supply by restoring a precious metal backed currency. Fiat money is the lifeblood of the state.

ChaosControl
12-14-2009, 07:39 AM
As an anti-war individual and environmentalist, I support your suggestion.
(Wow that statement made me sound like a lib...)

nayjevin
12-14-2009, 09:49 AM
While I fully understand why most of you bristle at moves that the "green" crowd has made in response to the climate-change issue, what I see here is a grand opportunity for a "best of both worlds" approach, if certain conditions are met.

That is to say, I think that that the radical environmentalist left and the free market right can and should be the best of friends.

The answer lies in this article: Military Pollution (http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0327-21.htm)

The U.S. Department of Defense is the largest polluter in the world, producing more hazardous waste than the five largest U.S. chemical companies combined.

Both sides of aisle are missing some important points. To the anti-warmists, I say that, regardless of what the truth is about climate change, you'd have to be high on heroin not to understand that mankind is responsible for dealing enormous harm to the environment.

And to the pro-warmists, I say that even if global warming is 100% true, that still doesn't justify the kind of moves being made in the name of stopping catastrophic environmental damage.

Using regulatory power to influence the way the average civilian behaves doesn't even come close to putting a dent in the deleterious effects we've had on the environment. That's because the average person - even all of them together - cannot be held responsible for environmental catastrophe, any more than they can be held responsible for wars of aggression.

The mercantilism state-big business fuckbuddy system, particularly the military-industrial complex, is chiefly to blame for problems that greens are concerned with. Rightists and leftists can largely agree that putting an end to rampant militarism, by hacking and slashing the military budget and reigning it in to the point where it can do no harm, we'll deal a serious blow to the issues of climate change and pollution.

Let's kill two birds with one stone. End wars of aggression and stop pollution - detonate the U.S. military industrial complex!

You're on to something. Sharing link, thanks!

Bucjason
12-14-2009, 01:27 PM
The problem is the left doesn't actually give two shits about saving the earth. They're interested in growing a global socialist government. The Green Movement is just the Trojan Horse they are using to get us there....so, you can devise all these alternate ways to work together and save the planet all you want , but you will be ignored.

nayjevin
12-14-2009, 02:51 PM
The problem is the left doesn't actually give two shits about saving the earth. They're interested in growing a global socialist government. The Green Movement is just the Trojan Horse they are using to get us there....so, you can devise all these alternate ways to work together and save the planet all you want , but you will be ignored.

'the left' defined as political operatives within liberal organizations and government, I agree - but there's value to appealing to regular folks with left leaning philosophy in this way, I think.

axiomata
12-14-2009, 02:57 PM
The problem is the left doesn't actually give two shits about saving the earth. They're interested in growing a global socialist government. The Green Movement is just the Trojan Horse they are using to get us there....so, you can devise all these alternate ways to work together and save the planet all you want , but you will be ignored.
I'd agree that the establishment left doesn't really care about the environment, but they sure have hoodwinked quite a large number of everyday lefties who do.

Looking to make the tent bigger, I see a lot of potential in the Whole Foods John Mackey types and the Wilhelm Ropke (http://mises.org/about/3241) type though such "humane economists" likely don't know they are following in Ropke's footsteps.