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Dionysus
12-12-2009, 01:38 PM
If there was climate change, demand would increase for cleaner energy sources, which exist in abundance, like this one, exploiting the temp difference between earth and ocean, thereby moving fluids which drive turbines which generate electricity through the phenomenon of electromagnetic induction. Because of electromagnetic induction, any movement can be converted to electricity. Also, any temperature difference can be converted into electricity. Rain moves, wind moves, waves move, people move, animals move, and there are so many ways to naturally create temperature differences (cool earth vs black container in the sun), or exploit those that exist naturally. I'm fairly CERTAIN that the typical family could produce the electricity they need locally. That would very much hurt the centralized power companies.

http://hawaii.gov/dbedt/info/energy/renewable/otec
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_thermal_energy_conversion

Furthermore, we can't burn carbon fuels forever, so there is a strict upper limit on the amount of CO2 we can pump into the atmosphere. We've already worked our way through a good percentage of it.

The climate change treaties waste a lot of financial energy that could go straight into scientific research. Climate change caused by burning of fossil fuels is a red herring, a total non-issue. There MUST be other motivations, or else we are lead by a bunch of idiots, which is very plausible. So, reason #1 for global government, climate change, total nonsense.

Dionysus
12-12-2009, 01:56 PM
I feel that if more people understood how electricity is typically generated, they'd be astonished at how obvious it is that there are so many alternatives. So, if you don't know, here it is.

You burn fossil fuels, that produces heat (and as the carbon burns/reacts with oxygen, you get CO2). Differences in temperature/pressure cause fluids (liquids/gases) to move from place to place. The fossil fuels drive a steam engine, which basically moves high pressure steam from a high to a lower temperature area. Turbines blades are placed in the path of the steam, so they move. The turbines are attached to an electric generator, which is just magnets and wire. That's the electromagnetic induction part: when you move a magnet through a wire coil, voltage is induced, electricity is created.

Niagara falls doesn't need to burn fossil fuels. The moving water spins the turbine blades. Electricity is then created.

ClayTrainor
12-12-2009, 02:19 PM
I feel that if more people understood how electricity is typically generated, they'd be astonished at how obvious it is that there are so many alternatives. So, if you don't know, here it is.

You burn fossil fuels, that produces heat (and as the carbon burns/reacts with oxygen, you get CO2). Differences in temperature/pressure cause fluids (liquids/gases) to move from place to place. The fossil fuels drive a steam engine, which basically moves high pressure steam from a high to a lower temperature area. Turbines blades are placed in the path of the steam, so they move. The turbines are attached to an electric generator, which is just magnets and wire. That's the electromagnetic induction part: when you move a magnet through a wire coil, voltage is induced, electricity is created.

Niagara falls doesn't need to burn fossil fuels. The moving water spins the turbine blades. Electricity is then created.

That's a very good explanation and helped me grasp the concept. Thanks very much for this thread :)

Dionysus
12-12-2009, 03:25 PM
That's a very good explanation and helped me grasp the concept. Thanks very much for this thread :)

No problem. Check out Conceptual Physics by Paul Hewitt, in it's 10th edition (earlier editions are dirt cheap). It's physics explained at an eighth grade level and no math. Why no math? Cause you don't really need math to understand physics, and you should understand physics before you do math with it. If you want to calculate how much energy you'll produce from some scheme, then you need some math. But, no problem, you have a computer to do your math, so you only need to understand math at a conceptual level too.

In fact, we don't harness so much energy, it's a sin. All males should have to pee over a little mini turbine. All pasture grazing animals should be generating electricity. All rivers should be filled with turbines. The sun did all the work in the rivers case. It lifted the water into the air! Then it rained and now gravity is pulling it downhill. There is no energy emergency.

You could even capture the CO2 from power plants, and pipe it into giant agricultural greenhouses next door, where you will grow really healthy plants to feed the people.

Or you could burn Hydrogen, which makes H2O when it burns, otherwise known as water. Solar power could constantly be electrolysizing water to obtain the hydrogen.