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FrankRep
12-12-2009, 12:12 PM
Violent protests at Copenhagen, a possible sign of Controlled Opposition?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=195399


Hundreds Held During Climate Change Protest (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Arrests-During-Climate-Change-Summit-Protest-Copenhagen/Article/200912215498816?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15498816_Arrests_During_Climate_Change _Summit_Protest_Copenhagen)

Sky News
December 12, 2009


Police say between 600 and 700 people have been arrested during a climate change protest in the Danish capital Copenhagen.

Hundreds of youths dressed in black threw bricks and smashed windows as at least 30,000 people demonstrated in the centre of the city as world leaders debate global warming.

The rioters, whose faces were covered, went on the rampage in the heart of the city, prompting swift arrests as some 50 policemen in riot gear intervened.

Demonstrators were forced to the ground and then bundled into vans.

Police said those arrested were members of militant groups from northern Europe known as Black Blocs, who were accused of provoking street violence during a Nato summit in the French city of Strasbourg last April.

The rest of the march - the centrepiece of protests planned in 130 cities across the world - remained peaceful, ahead of a candlelit vigil.
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SOURCE:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Arrests-During-Climate-Change-Summit-Protest-Copenhagen/Article/200912215498816?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15498816_Arrests_During_Climate_Change _Summit_Protest_Copenhagen

FrankRep
12-12-2009, 12:14 PM
Flashback:

NY Times: Copenhagen protestors will be locked in steel cages
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=221805

angelatc
12-12-2009, 12:16 PM
Hundreds of youths dressed in black threw bricks and smashed windows as at least 30,000 people demonstrated in the centre of the city as world leaders debate global warming.

The rioters, whose faces were covered, went on the rampage in the heart of the city, prompting swift arrests as some 50 policemen in riot gear intervened.

Anarchists? Other than that, who the heck is protesting? This thing is a left-wing wet dream!

LOL at the sign in the picture. "Climate Justice Now!" Uh, yeah. Ok....

ClayTrainor
12-12-2009, 12:18 PM
Anarchists? Other than that, who the heck is protesting? This thing is a left-wing wet dream!

Yea... anarcho-socialists for sure...

FrankRep
12-12-2009, 12:18 PM
Anarchists?

Controlled Opposition (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=195399), no doubt.

Those violent protestors are playing into the hands of Copenhagen.

PreDeadMan
12-12-2009, 12:33 PM
You shouldn't resotr to violence to get your point across with protests ::sighs:: peacefull solutions and civil disobedience is more effective....

coyote_sprit
12-12-2009, 12:36 PM
You shouldn't resotr to violence to get your point across with protests ::sighs:: peacefull solutions and civil disobedience is more effective....

Anarcho-socialists think it's more effective to destroy private property.

cheapseats
12-12-2009, 12:37 PM
You shouldn't resotr to violence to get your point across with protests ::sighs:: peacefull solutions and civil disobedience is more effective....

Perhaps they have run out of options? Perhaps their voices are not heard and their votes don't matter? What should they do? Hire attorneys?

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."
-- John F. Kennedy

cheapseats
12-12-2009, 12:38 PM
Anarcho-socialists think it's more effective to destroy private property.

As opposed to . . . WHAT? What IS effective? Shall they bank on the Political Process? Howz it workin' out for US?

HOWZ OUR POLITICAL PROCESS WORKING OUT IN TERMS OF MITIGATING COLLATERAL DAMAGE IN THE MIDDLE EAST?

SelfTaught
12-12-2009, 12:41 PM
I hate anarcho-commies. They destroy stuff that probably has absolutely nothing to do with the climate change summit or world government. Don't people in Copenhagen own guns?

SelfTaught
12-12-2009, 12:43 PM
As opposed to . . . WHAT? What IS effective? Shall they bank on the Political Process? Howz it workin' out for US?

HOWZ OUR POLITICAL PROCESS WORKING OUT IN TERMS OF MITIGATING COLLATERAL DAMAGE IN THE MIDDLE EAST?

How does destroying private property hurt the government? If anything, it helps them justify imposing martial on the people.

FrankRep
12-12-2009, 12:46 PM
How does destroying private property hurt the government? If anything, it helps them justify imposing martial on the people.

Violent protests at Copenhagen, a possible sign of Controlled Opposition?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=195399

coyote_sprit
12-12-2009, 12:48 PM
Violent protests at Copenhagen, a possible sign of Controlled Opposition?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=195399

Maybe but it's not like anarcho-socialists haven't done this sort of thing lots of times before.

FrankRep
12-12-2009, 12:50 PM
Maybe but it's not like anarcho-socialists haven't done this sort of thing lots of times before.
Herded like Cattle and given an outlet to commit violence.

What the hell is an anarcho-socialist anyway? Contradiction in terms.

SelfTaught
12-12-2009, 12:57 PM
Herded like Cattle and given an outlet to commit violence.

What the hell is an anarcho-socialist anyway? Contradiction in terms.

I would define it as a person that doesn't want to live under any type of authority, but doesn't mind being the authority

ClayTrainor
12-12-2009, 12:59 PM
I would define it as a person that doesn't want to live under any type of authority, but doesn't mind being the authority

A tyrant :)

Light
12-12-2009, 01:00 PM
I would define it as a person that doesn't want to live under any type of authority, but doesn't mind being the authority

This.

These clowns protesting are just upset because the treaty coming out Copenhagen won't be outright destroying industry and killing people fast enough.

FrankRep
12-12-2009, 01:01 PM
I would define it as a person that doesn't want to live under any type of authority, but doesn't mind being the authority

:D :rolleyes: funny.

SelfTaught
12-12-2009, 01:03 PM
A tyrant :)

Go to the head of the class.:D

orafi
12-12-2009, 01:09 PM
Herded like Cattle and given an outlet to commit violence.

What the hell is an anarcho-socialist anyway? Contradiction in terms.

Socialism is a contradiction with reality, so there you go ;)

SelfTaught
12-12-2009, 01:14 PM
Socialism is a contradiction with reality, so there you go ;)

Liberty is a contradiction with reality. In the history of man, there are few examples of people not living under the arbitrary abuse and control by others.

FrankRep
12-12-2009, 01:16 PM
Liberty is a contradiction with reality. In the history of man, there are few examples of people not living under the arbitrary abuse and control by others.

Men will either be governed by God, or ruled by tyrants - William Penn

:D

ClayTrainor
12-12-2009, 01:23 PM
Liberty is a contradiction with reality. In the history of man, there are few examples of people not living under the arbitrary abuse and control by others.

Liberty is the underlying truth of all reality.

haaaylee
12-12-2009, 03:28 PM
What the hell is an anarcho-socialist anyway?

A very confused person . . . ?


(my friend is one. she wants everyone to share and spread the wealth, but doesn't want the Government in charge of it. she seems to think this will create a lovely friendly word, versus the violence that these kinds of anarcho-socialists seem to see fit.)

cheapseats
12-12-2009, 03:34 PM
You shouldn't resotr to violence to get your point across with protests ::sighs:: peacefull solutions and civil disobedience is more effective....

Delineate the effectiveness. Point to ONE SHRED of it. All I want for Christmas is Good News.

cheapseats
12-12-2009, 03:37 PM
How does destroying private property hurt the government? If anything, it helps them justify imposing martial on the people.

By the time people are engaged in violent demonstrations in the street, I imagine that who gets hurt by destruction of property is far less of a consideration than who gets hurt by club, taser, knife, bottle, rock or rifle.

Question: In the event of Collapse, Meltdown, Shit Hitting Fan or other Wholesale Calamity, are we imagining that Americans will carefully observe the property rights of other Americans?

Question: Is talk of Collapse, Meltdown, Shit Hitting Fan et al. hyperbolic bullshit, or has it some basis in Reality?

dannno
12-12-2009, 03:41 PM
Controlled Opposition (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=195399), no doubt.

Those violent protestors are playing into the hands of Copenhagen.

+1

Absolutely controlled. Just as much as the ones in Seattle who were video taped later being protected by the police in an abandoned building, as the police in the streets cracked down on the peaceful protesters.

This shit is getting really old.

BlackTerrel
12-12-2009, 03:41 PM
I don't mean to stereotype but is there no middle ground in Europe? It seems like their population is either these crazy "anarchists" or crazy "fascists" like the ones in Switzerland who voted to take away the rights of Muslims.

Where are the sane people?

ClayTrainor
12-12-2009, 03:42 PM
I don't mean to stereotype but is there no middle ground in Europe? It seems like their population is either these crazy "anarchists" or crazy "fascists" like the ones in Switzerland who voted to take away the rights of Muslims.

Where are the sane people?

Media doesn't like reporting the sane ones.

ScoutsHonor
12-12-2009, 03:43 PM
Herded like Cattle and given an outlet to commit violence.

More like 'herded like hired help and given instructions to smash things' - IMHO.;)


What the hell is an anarcho-socialist anyway? Contradiction in terms.Lol.

BillyDkid
12-12-2009, 04:23 PM
These protest make no sense to me. They are protesting the people promoting their agenda. This summit needs to protested, but by people who oppose the agenda, not those who support it.

dannno
12-12-2009, 04:28 PM
These protest make no sense to me. They are protesting the people promoting their agenda. This summit needs to protested, but by people who oppose the agenda, not those who support it.

They may be protesting to ensure that an agreement is reached.

Andrew-Austin
12-12-2009, 04:31 PM
These protest make no sense to me. They are protesting the people promoting their agenda. This summit needs to protested, but by people who oppose the agenda, not those who support it.

The mistake you are making, is that you are actually trying to make sense of anarcho-communism/socialism.

They are not regular socialists, in that they view all these government big wigs attending Copenhagen as in bed with capitalism and capitalist enablers. They don't really use the term capitalism in the same way we do though, they don't mean free market and could scarcely differentiate it from corporatism/crony-capitalism.

angelatc
12-12-2009, 04:37 PM
Delineate the effectiveness. Point to ONE SHRED of it. All I want for Christmas is Good News.

Uh, Ghandi?

angelatc
12-12-2009, 04:37 PM
The mistake you are making, is that you are actually trying to make sense of anarcho-communism/socialism.

They are not regular socialists, in that they the view all these government big wigs attending Copenhagen as in bed with capitalism and capitalist enablers.

THey're actually kind of right about that.

Brooklyn Red Leg
12-12-2009, 04:41 PM
Dollars to donuts, the violent 'protesters' are cops that are doing it on orders from their masters to subvert the message. Complete controlled opposition. Fuck them and fuck their slimy tactics. I may think Anthropogenic Global Warming is a load of bullshit of the highest order (and therefore am no friend of the real protesters), but that doesn't give the thugs in charge the right to pull this kind of shit. Anarchists my ass.

Andrew-Austin
12-12-2009, 04:45 PM
THey're actually kind of right about that.

Yes in a way. Not when you use the term capitalism to mean free market though.

What I meant was, if you look at these black bloc rioters as being for socialism, and realize the only way socialism can come about is through government, it is awkward trying to figure out what they are actually seeking to accomplish. One of the Copenhagen meetings goals seems to be to the mass redistribution of wealth from rich to poor countries, international socialism.



Dollars to donuts, the violent 'protesters' are cops that are doing it on orders from their masters to subvert the message. Complete controlled opposition. Fuck them and fuck their slimy tactics. I may think Anthropogenic Global Warming is a load of bullshit of the highest order (and therefore am no friend of the real protesters), but that doesn't give the thugs in charge the right to pull this kind of shit. Anarchists my ass.

Umm no, though I am aware that kind of thing goes on, the black bloc protesters are not controlled opposition.

Working Poor
12-12-2009, 05:07 PM
A very confused person . . . ?


(my friend is one. she wants everyone to share and spread the wealth, but doesn't want the Government in charge of it. she seems to think this will create a lovely friendly word, versus the violence that these kinds of anarcho-socialists seem to see fit.)

shhhhhhhhhhhhh she will go back to sleep soon.

FrankRep
12-19-2009, 08:39 AM
G. Edward Griffin:

Copenhagen: 230 activists arrested protesting Climate Summit, but don't assume they are opposing cap-and-trade or expansion of government. Just the opposite. They are controlled opposition and are complaining that the conference may not produce those results. Mainstream media conceals this fact. Guardian 2009 Dec 16 (Cached)

http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html


News Article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/16/copenhagen-arrests

cheapseats
12-19-2009, 08:42 AM
Uh, Ghandi?

We're resting on the laurels of a man who died in 1948?

QueenB4Liberty
12-19-2009, 12:44 PM
perhaps they have run out of options? Perhaps their voices are not heard and their votes don't matter? What should they do? Hire attorneys?

"those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable."
-- john f. Kennedy

this!