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Epic
12-12-2009, 09:13 AM
YouTube - Lord Monckton Invades SustainUS Booth - Calls U.S. students "Hitler Youth" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne-X_vFWMlw&feature=player_embedded)

Cowlesy
12-12-2009, 09:55 AM
I f'n love this guy!!!!

silverhandorder
12-12-2009, 09:58 AM
Honestly what is with the moron trying to debate him. Why not first look up all of Monkton's work. I fucking hate retards that would debate you but in reality they know none of your positions and they most likely not even educated in that subject.

ClayTrainor
12-12-2009, 10:02 AM
Wow!

This guy is my hero!


Honestly what is with the moron trying to debate him. Why not first look up all of Monkton's work. I fucking hate retards that would debate you but in reality they know none of your positions and they most likely not even educated in that subject.

They have been totally brainwashed into thinking all the science is on their side :(

Cowlesy
12-12-2009, 10:07 AM
Irving Kristol (head neocon) had an interesting, but relevant take on the Environmentalist movement


THE NEW LEFT VS. "ECONOMIC MAN"

A similar confusion, I should say, arises in connection with what we call the "environmentalist" movement. Economists and politicians both--the one with naivete, the other with cunning--have decided to give a literal interpretation to the statements of this movement. And, given this literal interpretation, the thrust of environmentalism is not particularly subversive. If people today are especially concerned about clean air and clean water, then economic analysis can show them different ways--with different costs and benefits--of getting varying degrees of clean air and clean water. But it turns out that your zealous environmentalists do not want to be shown anything of the sort. They are not really interested in clean air or water at all. What does interest them is modern industrial society and modern technological civilization, toward which they have profoundly hostile sentiments. When they protest against "the quality of life" in this society and this civilization, they are protesting against nothing so trivial as air or water pollution. Rather they are at bottom rejecting a liberal civilization which is given shape through the interaction of a countless sum of individual preferences. Since they do not like the shape of that civilization, they are moved to challenge---however indirectly or slyly--the process that produces this shape. What environmentalists really want is simple: They want authority, the power to create an "environment" which pleases them; and this "environment" will be a society where the rulers will not want to "think economically" and the ruled will not be permitted to do so.

--Excerpted from Kristol's essay "Capitalism, Socialism & Nihilism" -- 1973

The thing is, these kids probably have no idea that they're being snookered by the rulers of the environmental movement. I happen to agree with Kristol, that their aims are not "clean air" or "clean water", but rather control and authority to shape an environment to their liking.

Cowlesy
12-12-2009, 10:08 AM
Honestly what is with the moron trying to debate him. Why not first look up all of Monkton's work. I fucking hate retards that would debate you but in reality they know none of your positions and they most likely not even educated in that subject.

Every chessboard has pawns.

squarepusher
12-12-2009, 10:34 AM
baller

ClayTrainor
12-12-2009, 10:36 AM
As Harsh at using Hitler Youth sounds, the Hitler Youth as actually less of a threat to humanity than the Global warming alarmists.

hundreds of millions of people will starve, if the "environmental left" gets their way.

angelatc
12-12-2009, 10:42 AM
What environmentalists really want is simple: They want authority, the power to create an "environment" which pleases them; and this "environment" will be a society where the rulers will not want to "think economically" and the ruled will not be permitted to do so.



The thing is, these kids probably have no idea that they're being snookered by the rulers of the environmental movement. I happen to agree with Kristol, that their aims are not "clean air" or "clean water", but rather control and authority to shape an environment to their liking.

No, I think you underestimate the significance of that sentence. The push to force everybody to measure value only in their terms, terms other than economic success, is a concept they are very much behind.

"Medicine should be a non-for-profit venture." "Everybody should have a house." "Insurance places no value on human life" "Business does not adequately take care of the workers" etc etc ad infinitum.

morran
12-12-2009, 10:59 AM
Ugh, this will be used against him. Awesome dude nonetheless. Btw, Monckton will be UKIP's Climate Change spokesperson.

Cowlesy
12-12-2009, 11:01 AM
No, I think you underestimate the significance of that sentence. The push to force everybody to measure value only in their terms, terms other than economic success, is a concept they are very much behind.

"Medicine should be a non-for-profit venture." "Everybody should have a house." "Insurance places no value on human life" "Business does not adequately take care of the workers" etc etc ad infinitum.

I agree that these kids want all of us to do as they do, but I don't think they view it through the lexicon of liberty vs. authoritarianism, but rather clean water/clean air = good for all, like the other causes you point out.

I don't think they ever get to the point of thinking about "I am forcing my will upon others," or if they do, they shrug their shoulders, which is probably the most dangerous conclusion.

SelfTaught
12-12-2009, 11:35 AM
"I will not shake the hand of a Hitler Youth."

"As a Jew, I'm not sure I know how I should take that."

"I will TELL YOU HOW YOU SHOULD TAKE IT!!!"

Hey, I like this guy. And of course, if anything, he beat them with his superior British linguistic skills.

FSP-Rebel
12-12-2009, 01:26 PM
"And you will not disturb another one of my meetings, DO I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?" Pwnd!

Cowlesy
12-12-2009, 01:37 PM
Posts discussing Vegetarianism provided their own thread here (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=222552)

ClayTrainor
12-12-2009, 02:48 PM
Bump! :)

oilboiler
12-12-2009, 02:54 PM
Lord Monckton is a hero, IMVHO.

His site has a lot of good information, including reports that completely debunk Al Gore's movie.

http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/

dannno
12-12-2009, 03:35 PM
That was pretty entertaining.

ClayTrainor
12-12-2009, 06:14 PM
I've watched this like 5 times today. Monckton is amazing.

"DO I Make myself clear?" :D

libertygrl
12-12-2009, 06:47 PM
I have conflicting emotions over this exchange. While I agree with everything Mockton had to say, I think he missed an opportunity to possibly get through to these manipulated kids.

They are ignorant of the truth regarding this matter because of the massive brain washing by media/entertainment/educational conditioning. They're just kids, so I think their intentions are well meaning in their desire to "save the planet." Mockton was probably still pretty pissed off about what had happened earlier, but he should have realized that they aren't the ones knowingly pushing this agenda.

I know they were ganging up on him, but maybe he could have accepted that kid's handshake just to break the tension and take on a non combative tone to try and explain some of the facts and why he used the term "hitler youth." In this manner, while they may not have agreed with him, it could have possibly planted some seeds in their minds where they would be more receptive to what he had to say. I'm not saying it would have worked, but I think the odds would have been better had he used this approach. What's that famous quote- " A spoonful of honey will catch more flies than a gallon of vinegar?" But I guess even suave speaking British gents can get a bit rattled when put in that situation!

I think a powerful tool to combat the climate changers is a well thought out promotional campaign that will focus on the people going hungry because of this agenda. Show pictures of children going hungry. Play on their emotions. This may get the so called "hitler youth" to question what exactly it is they are supporting with such passion.

ClayTrainor
12-12-2009, 06:50 PM
I have conflicting emotions over this exchange. While I agree with everything Mockton had to say, I think he missed an opportunity to possibly get through to these manipulated kids.

They are ignorant of the truth regarding this matter because of the massive brain washing by media/entertainment/educational conditioning. They're just kids, so I think their intentions are well meaning in their desire to "save the planet." Mockton was probably still pretty pissed off about what had happened earlier, but he should have realized that they aren't the ones knowingly pushing this agenda.

I know they were ganging up on him, but maybe he could have accepted that kid's handshake just to break the tension and take on a non combative tone to try and explain some of the facts and why he used the term "hitler youth." In this manner, while they may not have agreed with him, it could have possibly planted some seeds in their minds where they would be more receptive to what he had to say. I'm not saying it would have worked, but I think the odds would have been better had he used this approach. What's that famous quote- " A spoonful of honey will catch more flies than a gallon of vinegar?" But I guess even suave speaking British gents can get a bit rattled when put in that situation!

I think a powerful tool to combat the climate changers is a well thought out promotional campaign that will focus on the people going hungry because of this agenda. Show pictures of children going hungry. Play on their emotions. This may get the so called "hitler youth" to question what exactly it is they are supporting with such passion.

This is an excellent criticism of the video. You make a great point! :)

Epic
12-12-2009, 06:58 PM
in a different interview, he talks about how he doesn't blame the kids... they've been indoctrinated by propaganda...

ClayTrainor
12-12-2009, 06:59 PM
in a different interview, he talks about how he doesn't blame the kids... they've been indoctrinated by propaganda...

If you remember the link, i'd love to see that :)

Epic
12-12-2009, 07:12 PM
If you remember the link, i'd love to see that :)

0:45 or so

YouTube - Interview with Lord Monckton re: Hitler Youth comment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21SCR2yyETk)

silverhandorder
12-12-2009, 09:50 PM
Tough love is whats needed. He needs to show them that their behavior is without consequences.

tpreitzel
12-12-2009, 10:00 PM
"childish, goonish, hitleresque fashion" ... brilliant!

awake
12-12-2009, 10:21 PM
I do not think he is far off on his labels. Indoctrinated is indoctrinated, whether it be National Socialism or Global Socialism. The universities are spewing anti humanist curriculum and promising secured enforcement positions in the new climate regime. It isn't any wonder why they push for environmental totalitarianism.

Ethek
12-12-2009, 11:01 PM
where was this booth at?

denison
12-13-2009, 10:35 AM
hundreds of millions of people will starve, if the "environmental left" gets their way.

hundred of millions of people already starve now.

torchbearer
12-13-2009, 10:42 AM
hundred of millions of people already starve now.

just wait until we go "green".

awake
12-13-2009, 10:47 AM
Green is the new Red.

http://i45.tinypic.com/34po0pe.png

torchbearer
12-13-2009, 10:50 AM
Green is the new Red.

green and red = christmas.
Santa the new face of socialism.

ClayTrainor
12-13-2009, 10:54 AM
green and red = christmas.
Santa the new face of socialism.

Santa is a commie, for sure. :p

torchbearer
12-13-2009, 10:55 AM
Santa is a commie, for sure. :p

what values does the idea of santa teach our children?
something for nothing?
production comes from mystical far away lands?
you don't have to pay for what you consume?

Chester Copperpot
12-13-2009, 11:00 AM
German TV was there when he called them Hitler Youth.. man oh man that must shocked the shit out of the Germans. haha

ClayTrainor
12-13-2009, 11:05 AM
I just sent this video out to some co-workers at my old weather office. Should be interesting to hear what they think :)


what values does the idea of santa teach our children?
something for nothing?
production comes from mystical far away lands?
you don't have to pay for what you consume?

Yup. Not to mention his existence is a total lie, we tell to children, as if lying is helpful to them somehow.

awake
12-13-2009, 11:07 AM
http://i45.tinypic.com/34po0pe.png

ClayTrainor
12-13-2009, 11:08 AM
http://i45.tinypic.com/34po0pe.png

Very nice!

torchbearer
12-13-2009, 11:08 AM
I just sent this video out to some co-workers at my old weather office. Should be interesting to hear what they think :)



Yup. Not to mention his existence is a total lie, we tell to children, as if lying is helpful to them somehow.

actually, the only good part about the santa tradition is the lying.
it is good for children to learn that authority figures will lie to them. even those who are suppose to 'love' them.
its a good lesson to learn, but i'm sure there are better ways to do it.

BillyDkid
12-13-2009, 11:13 AM
You can't reason with idiocy. Someone once said that you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

ClayTrainor
12-13-2009, 11:13 AM
actually, the only good part about the santa tradition is the lying.
it is good for children to learn that authority figures will lie to them. even those who are suppose to 'love' them.
its a good lesson to learn, but i'm sure there are better ways to do it.

i firmly believe that there are better ways to expose truth than lying, as i'm sure you do, but you make an interesting point. :)

Magicman
12-13-2009, 12:54 PM
YouTube - OBAMA Youth Crash Lord Christopher Monckton Webcast in Copenhagen: "No Freedom Of Speech" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b-vrBKMxy4&feature=player_embedded)

Bruno
12-13-2009, 01:16 PM
If they can namecall and call us Deniers, in line with denying the Holocaust, then calling these kids Hitler Youth is certainly justified.

Dreamofunity
12-14-2009, 01:07 AM
He has some crazy eyes.

idirtify
12-14-2009, 01:47 AM
You can't reason with idiocy. Someone once said that you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

What a great quote. While I understand its intent, I would say you CAN do it, but it won’t be easy or pleasant – and will resemble deprogramming more than discussing/debating. The problem is, I suspect MOST beliefs of MOST people are not acquired through reason. So you can’t really let it (the general brainwashed state of most people) stop you from commencing – or you might as well give up trying to educate anyone.

Anyway, those kids are very scary and I think LM characterized them very accurately. Few things are more evil that a mob who believes they are doing a higher good. I suspect the Nazis also truly believed they were doing a higher good – a kind of “racial environmentalism”, if you will.

idirtify
12-14-2009, 01:50 AM
Tough love is whats needed. He needs to show them that their behavior is without consequences.

You mean “…is NOT without consequences”.

tpreitzel
12-14-2009, 02:00 AM
The problem is, I suspect MOST beliefs of MOST people are not acquired through reason. So you can’t really let it (the general brainwashed state of most people) stop you from commencing – or you might as well give up trying to educate anyone.


I'd make a small, but important addition. The beliefs of MOST people are not acquired through reason based on experience. On a conscious level, beliefs may not APPEAR to be rational to others, but can be rational based on personal experience. The consequences of uncritically accepting a worldview can be tragic. Think about all of the conditioning, e.g. macro evolution & global warming, that humanity basically accepts uncritically without any personal verification due to both the lack of "knowledge" (time based) and the nature of "knowledge" itself.