Obama Goes Neo-Con in Norway

[bobbyw24]

Going Neocon
Is Obama getting mugged by reality?

By Abe Greenwald

During his Nobel Peace Prize–acceptance speech today, Barack Obama said, “For make no mistake: Evil does exist in the world.” He cited the historical example of Adolf Hitler and the present-day example of al-Qaeda. This rounds out a year that has seen a succession of real-world object lessons that bear out the claims of the intellectual tendency known as neoconservatism: Iran has rejected a torrent of American obsequiousness and will not be charmed out of pursuing nuclear weapons; its population, meanwhile, is clamoring for a robust American defense of democracy; a far-left American president has determined that a significant surge of American troops is the only way to win a faltering war effort in a far-off Muslim land; that same president has acknowledged that “we’ve achieved hard-earned milestones in Iraq” and is using the basis of those achievements as the model for his new ramp-up strategy.

In these, three convictions often linked with neoconservative thought have been affirmed:

1. No matter how technologically advanced and interconnected the world becomes, there will be bad actors, and their obstinacy will remain intact. Every regime cannot be made to acquiesce through appeals to common humanity. Some can only be made pliant through threat and, if necessary, force.

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[jmdrake]

I have forced myself to listen to a little of the coverage of this. It's hard to do that without projectile vommitting on my radio. I listened to NPR (neaderthal pathetic rodents) cover this yesterday. They had reactions from 3 people. Richard Haas of the CFR. Some writer from some leftist magazine. And some Bush speechwriter. Predictably they all praised the speech. The person that was most honest was the Bush speechwriter who basically said "I loved the speech because it's exactly what Bush would have wrote". NPR couldn't find ONE real voice of dissent? Obama basically through Ghandi and MLK under the bus while accepting a "peace prize". And all of the references to Obama showed himself to be a "mature" president like "Woodrow Wilson" made me want to take a sledgehammer to my radio. Wilson was a total racist who praised the KKK film "birth of a nation". Plus it was Wilson who set up the rise of Adolf Hilter by helping push through the punishing sanctions that created hyperinflation in German.

Speaking of Hitler, Obama's statement that "nonviolence couldn't stop Hitler" is a total falsehood. Anyone who doesn't know that should read the online article from the Jewish Virtual Library "Could We Have Stopped Hitler" (http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/Black.html). Also the country of Denmark managed to spare most of it's Jewish population from the holocaust through peaceful resistance to the Nazis (http://www.auschwitz.dk/docu/King.htm). Does this mean that war or violence is never an option? No. But for Obama to blithely dismiss the power of non violent resistence shows he is not deserving of a peace prize or even of general respect for that matter. This is a sad day for the entire world. Sad because men would believe lies rather than the truth.

[klamath]

For all the people around here that throw the word neocon around here at anyone they disagree with this is a lesson in exactly what a neocon is. They specifically believe it is America's job to police the world. All those conservatives that may support the war are not necessarily Neocons but conservatives that believe we were attacked and are specifically fighting for America. Just because they are supporting the same effort as the neocons doesn't make them neocons.
Convince strong defense conservatives that these wars are not specifically defending America and they will drop the support of the war in a heartbeat. A neocon will never quit supporting the wars, ever because these wars are about American exceptionalism, nation building and their utopian goals for the world.

[Bucjason]

For all the people around here that throw the word neocon around here at anyone they disagree with this is a lesson in exactly what a neocon is. They specifically believe it is America's job to police the world. All those conservatives that may support the war are not necessarily Neocons but conservatives that believe we were attacked and are specifically fighting for America. Just because they are supporting the same effort as the neocons doesn't make them neocons.
Convince strong defense conservatives that these wars are not specifically defending America and they will drop the support of the war in a heartbeat. A neocon will never quit supporting the wars, ever because these wars are about American exceptionalism, nation building and their utopian goals for the world.

good post , I agree.

[speciallyblend]

Obama/Cheney 2012 Bring Our Troops Home!

[jmdrake]

For all the people around here that throw the word neocon around here at anyone they disagree with this is a lesson in exactly what a neocon is. They specifically believe it is America's job to police the world. All those conservatives that may support the war are not necessarily Neocons but conservatives that believe we were attacked and are specifically fighting for America. Just because they are supporting the same effort as the neocons doesn't make them neocons.
Convince strong defense conservatives that these wars are not specifically defending America and they will drop the support of the war in a heartbeat. A neocon will never quit supporting the wars, ever because these wars are about American exceptionalism, nation building and their utopian goals for the world.

I don't think anyone uses neocon for anyone they disagree with. The term "socialist" gets thrown around a lot too. ;)

Anyway, those "conservatives who support the war" have bought into the neocon agenda, whether they are truly "neocon" or not. And I've seen many of these same conservatives buy into things that aren't directly related to the war such as the RealID act, the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, "no fly" lists etc. I agree that people need to be convinced that none of this nonsense actually makes us safer. That's one reason why people need to question 9/11. Even if you buy the "official story" in general, there was clearly enough foreknowledge of the attacks for them to have been prevented without gutting the constitution. Great example is Colleen Rowley and others in the FBI being blocked from searching Moussoui's computer or following up on leads surrounding the Bin Laden family by the Bush justice department.

[klamath]

I don't think anyone uses neocon for anyone they disagree with. The term "socialist" gets thrown around a lot too. ;)

Anyway, those "conservatives who support the war" have bought into the neocon agenda, whether they are truly "neocon" or not. And I've seen many of these same conservatives buy into things that aren't directly related to the war such as the RealID act, the Patriot Act, warrantless wiretapping, "no fly" lists etc. I agree that people need to be convinced that none of this nonsense actually makes us safer. That's one reason why people need to question 9/11. Even if you buy the "official story" in general, there was clearly enough foreknowledge of the attacks for them to have been prevented without gutting the constitution. Great example is Colleen Rowley and others in the FBI being blocked from searching Moussoui's computer or following up on leads surrounding the Bin Laden family by the Bush justice department.

That too. Sure they have bought into the war but for different reasons. If you can destroy those reasons you can destroy their support for the war. It is quit provable that these wars aren't making us safer. On the other hand a neocon will never quit supporting the war no matter what you show them unless they reject the whole neocon philosophy.

[SWATH]

Just think of what the reaction would have been if it were Bush giving the exact same speech to the exact same people for the exact same reason.

[Bucjason]

Obama is a Neo-Communist....always has been.

[Bruno]

Just think of what the reaction would have been if it were Bush giving the exact same speech to the exact same people for the exact same reason.

"Boo!"

"Impeach Bush!"

"He's not my president!"

"War monger! Bring our troops home!"

"Where are the WMDs?"

"He was elected by a minority and stole the presidency!"

[YumYum]

According to the book "The Israel Lobby" the neo-cons are for U.S. involvement in foreign wars because that is what Israel and AIPAC want. We can fight the Iranians instead of Israel sacrificing their troops. Obama is a puppet, just like Bush was, to the Israel Lobby. Obama has lied to the American public; he promised us during his campaign that we would be out of Iraq in 16 months. It is disgusting that we have politicians that have no balls. It is even more disgusting that Americans are so stupid and believe that politicians are messiahs. The Fed makes money on wars. The Fed and the Israel Lobby are behind this escalation in the current wars.