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purplechoe
12-10-2009, 03:38 PM
justed added these videos of tonights episode:

YouTube - Stossel - December 10, 2009 - Pt 1 of 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGs-KqOa-BA)

YouTube - Stossel - December 10, 2009 - Pt 2 of 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLc-p_s2UKs)

YouTube - Stossel - December 10, 2009 - Pt 3 of 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HpEaSegfKU)

YouTube - Stossel - December 10, 2009 - Pt 4 of 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbYWMU9byF4)

YouTube - Stossel - December 10, 2009 - Pt 5 of 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSoNcbOUwIU)

YouTube - Stossel - December 10, 2009 - Pt 6 of 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuP78yUj7Ms)

YouTube - Stossel - December 10, 2009 - Pt 7 of 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XB2wSY_-jo)



YouTube - Stossel Premiers 12/10/09 on Fox Business! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msY4ej3PleM)

http://stossel.blogs.foxbusiness.com/


Climate "Crisis" Tonight at 8pm ET / 5pm PT
We finally decided: Tonight’s premiere will cover the climate “crisis”. President Obama goes to Copenhagen tomorrow, where it is said that he will promise to cut carbon emissions 83 percent by 2050. 83 percent. Not 80 percent. Not 85 percent. What utter arrogance. With millions dying from malnutrition, poor hygiene, and malaria, the world’s poobah’s want to spend trillions on a theoretical problem. I don’t know whether Obama plays along because of political reasons, or because he believes the temperature/disaster projections of the IPCC. I hope he watches my show tonight, because we’ll feature the ... read more

Bruno
12-10-2009, 03:45 PM
Sweet! I am looking forward to the Atlas Shrugged segment as well, but the timing couldn't be better with Global Warming..er...um, Climate Change being such a hot topic and all.

ClayTrainor
12-10-2009, 03:58 PM
Thanks for the reminder!

purplechoe
12-10-2009, 04:20 PM
http://www.savewesternoh.org/images/Give%20Me%20a%20Break%20Stossel.jpg

Cdn_for_liberty
12-10-2009, 04:21 PM
any links that broadcasts FBN?

Chieftain1776
12-10-2009, 04:45 PM
Glenn Beck, to his credit, just promoted John Stossel's show really nicely.

ClayTrainor
12-10-2009, 05:02 PM
Glenn Beck, to his credit, just promoted John Stossel's show really nicely.

Sweet!

purplechoe
12-10-2009, 06:12 PM
Glenn Beck, to his credit, just promoted John Stossel's show really nicely.

YouTube - Glenn Beck And John Stossel - Copenhagen Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHQ2Bu63S54)

purplechoe
12-10-2009, 06:27 PM
YouTube - Glenn Beck and John Stossel and the free Golf Cart (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0hZNaZ-Y70)

ClayTrainor
12-10-2009, 06:30 PM
YouTube - Glenn Beck And John Stossel - Copenhagen Commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHQ2Bu63S54)

This is really enjoyable to watch, thanks for the link!

LibertyEagle
12-10-2009, 06:41 PM
OMG, that video is hilarious. :D

SimpleName
12-10-2009, 06:43 PM
Wasn't this thing supposed to be on at 10? Good thing I came on here just 20 minutes beforehand otherwise I would have been trying to check it out at 10. My digital cable guide doesn't even have it listed. How could Fox be so confused this late into the thing?

RSLudlum
12-10-2009, 07:06 PM
My cable provider doesn't carry Fox Business. Is it broadcasted online?

HOLLYWOOD
12-10-2009, 07:12 PM
DVR is set... finally a pragmatic MSM show with such logic... refreshing to the mindless zombie crap across the airways.

MsDoodahs
12-10-2009, 07:20 PM
great so far!

Uriel999
12-10-2009, 07:33 PM
omg that really was hilarious.

silverhandorder
12-10-2009, 07:42 PM
Good stuff. The only thing that irks me is that the Cato guy is not really against intervention. He is happy with carbon taxes.

SimpleName
12-10-2009, 08:07 PM
Good stuff. The only thing that irks me is that the Cato guy is not really against intervention. He is happy with carbon taxes.

Yeah, that was a little annoying. He may been trying to be a bit impartial and stay with the facts of the matter instead of citing an ideological belief. Stossel tried to do the same thing throughout (minus Stossel's Perspective). I would have liked to see the show a bit more liberty-centric instead of fact-based, but I guess it'll help bring the moderates over.

dr. hfn
12-10-2009, 08:20 PM
promote this show!!!!!

purplechoe
12-10-2009, 09:17 PM
youtube of the episode has been added to the OP...

ClayTrainor
12-10-2009, 09:23 PM
Can't wait to watch this, thanks for the links! :D

maqsur
12-10-2009, 09:36 PM
Yeah, that was a little annoying. He may been trying to be a bit impartial and stay with the facts of the matter instead of citing an ideological belief. Stossel tried to do the same thing throughout (minus Stossel's Perspective). I would have liked to see the show a bit more liberty-centric instead of fact-based, but I guess it'll help bring the moderates over.

Are you saying that facts are not compatible with liberty??? :) Just messing with you, but I think it's good for them to present facts, and separate opinion on those facts. I caught a portion of the show, and I thought it was nice that they had debate between audience members and panel guests. I always found Stossel to be polite, even when disagreeing and whatnot. he does not get loud and emotional.

ClayTrainor
12-10-2009, 09:38 PM
That challenge to Al Gore in Part 2 was epic. We need to edit that out, and make it go viral!

paulitics
12-10-2009, 10:05 PM
Great fookin show. I actually liked the Cato guy, articulate, coherent, logical. Great points about poverty being a bigger problem, and how carbon taxes will accelerate these problems.

Bruehound
12-10-2009, 10:14 PM
I was disappointed that neither Stossel or the cato guy challenged the very premise of the warmist cult .

Ice core science has shown that increased atmospheric levels of CO2 are a result of periods of warming and not a cause of it.

BenIsForRon
12-10-2009, 10:16 PM
First off, this was a great show. Makes the rest of Fox News look like Sesame Street. And they actually had people in the audience who had opposing viewpoints!

The Cato guy, while very intelligent, has a blind spot in his brain. He is what I call a "free market fundamentalist". He's the kind of guy that says, "It doesn't matter that the Chinese don't have political freedoms, as they get richer they will have more democracy!"

He was basically saying that environmental problems won't matter as people become richer, because they will be able to deal with them better. However he fails to acknowledge that the growth in their economies is entirely dependent on their continuing use of pollution-creating energy!

The issue is way more complex than he makes it out to be. He did probably give those environmentalists in the crowd something to think about, but shrugging off their concerns by saying "Money will fix everything!" made his arguments much weaker.

nbruno322
12-10-2009, 10:19 PM
Awesome, thanks for the post.

Austrian Econ Disciple
12-10-2009, 11:04 PM
First off, this was a great show. Makes the rest of Fox News look like Sesame Street. And they actually had people in the audience who had opposing viewpoints!

The Cato guy, while very intelligent, has a blind spot in his brain. He is what I call a "free market fundamentalist". He's the kind of guy that says, "It doesn't matter that the Chinese don't have political freedoms, as they get richer they will have more democracy!"

He was basically saying that environmental problems won't matter as people become richer, because they will be able to deal with them better. However he fails to acknowledge that the growth in their economies is entirely dependent on their continuing use of pollution-creating energy!

The issue is way more complex than he makes it out to be. He did probably give those environmentalists in the crowd something to think about, but shrugging off their concerns by saying "Money will fix everything!" made his arguments much weaker.

Cato guys are by no means libertarian. Faux (Beltway) libertarian is more like it. They opposed Ron Paul, hate the Mises Institute, and time after time fight against libertarian ideals.

What fixes "environmentalism" is private property rights and the destruction of the idea of "tragedy of the commons". All property should be, and by Natural Law rights should be private.

BenIsForRon
12-10-2009, 11:14 PM
Thanks for that insight Austrian, when I find that time machine and go back in time 300 years I'll remind all the colonists to keep all land private.

axiomata
12-11-2009, 01:04 AM
That challenge to Al Gore in Part 2 was epic. We need to edit that out, and make it go viral!

Gotta give Gore some credit. He must have some brain matter because had he gone on the show to debate that CATO guy he would have been demolished.

For the college-aged women who did have the courage to go on the show, I almost felt bad. They obviously were presented the global warming alarmist position in their classes, but it is obvious that no actual debate occurred in those classrooms. They were helpless in responding the the CATO guy's poverty argument.

devil21
12-11-2009, 02:20 AM
Can I say I wasn't really impressed with the show? Or at least the first half that I watched wasn't impressive.

They never once questioned whether there is any truth to the man-made global warming theory at all, even though Stossel briefly mentioned temps have been FALLING over the last 20 years. But after that it was like he never even said it. That really turned me off. I'll watch the next episode on YT (still won't give Fox News my viewership after their treatment of RP last election) and reserve judgment until then.

BenIsForRon
12-11-2009, 03:26 AM
Can I say I wasn't really impressed with the show? Or at least the first half that I watched wasn't impressive.

They never once questioned whether there is any truth to the man-made global warming theory at all, even though Stossel briefly mentioned temps have been FALLING over the last 20 years. But after that it was like he never even said it. That really turned me off. I'll watch the next episode on YT (still won't give Fox News my viewership after their treatment of RP last election) and reserve judgment until then.

Because it is warming, we just don't know how much it will escalate in 50 or 100 years. Most rational people have come to this conclusion.

*ducks*

devil21
12-11-2009, 03:29 AM
Because it is warming, we just don't know how much it will escalate in 50 or 100 years. Most rational people have come to this conclusion.

*ducks*

Thanks Al. You're ducking a lot lately.

Anybody here not making millions of bucks on the global warming issue want to answer my question. Or should I just point to the Medieval Warming Period or the history of the Vikings and shake my head?

BenIsForRon
12-11-2009, 03:31 AM
Just give up. The reptiles have programmed Stossel now, there is no hope.

hotbrownsauce
12-11-2009, 03:31 AM
Thank you much. Great Video. I wonder how long it will last?

silverhandorder
12-11-2009, 09:46 AM
First off, this was a great show. Makes the rest of Fox News look like Sesame Street. And they actually had people in the audience who had opposing viewpoints!

The Cato guy, while very intelligent, has a blind spot in his brain. He is what I call a "free market fundamentalist". He's the kind of guy that says, "It doesn't matter that the Chinese don't have political freedoms, as they get richer they will have more democracy!"

He was basically saying that environmental problems won't matter as people become richer, because they will be able to deal with them better. However he fails to acknowledge that the growth in their economies is entirely dependent on their continuing use of pollution-creating energy!

The issue is way more complex than he makes it out to be. He did probably give those environmentalists in the crowd something to think about, but shrugging off their concerns by saying "Money will fix everything!" made his arguments much weaker.
That is not what he was saying. He pointed out that poverty kills more people then GW. So naturally if we are concerned about saving lives it is better to first address poverty. Second the disaster scenario is not guaranteed and the current bad effects of the warming are negligible.

If we can't agree on these facts then there is no reason to talk to each other :P.

ClayTrainor
12-11-2009, 10:27 AM
Gotta give Gore some credit. He must have some brain matter because had he gone on the show to debate that CATO guy he would have been demolished.

Gore is smart enough to know he's an idiot :D:p

But seriously, we should organize an effort around this Al Gore challenge. Buy up DebateGore.com, or something like that and make it sort of like a money bomb site.

I think we could even build up pledges, for people who would pay to see this happen. I know i would

purplechoe
12-11-2009, 03:51 PM
Because it is warming, we just don't know how much it will escalate in 50 or 100 years. Most rational people have come to this conclusion.

*ducks*

The temperature was the highest in '98. Global waming? Get a clue! :rolleyes:

Go preach your religion somewhere else!

ClayTrainor
12-11-2009, 03:52 PM
Check this thread, and give me ur input. :)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=222422

Danke
12-12-2009, 05:57 PM
I was disappointed that neither Stossel or the cato guy challenged the very premise of the warmist cult .

Ice core science has shown that increased atmospheric levels of CO2 are a result of periods of warming and not a cause of it.

My thoughts exactly. They both didn't really didn't get to the core.

Earth may be warming, but we humans have little if anything to do with it.