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Magicman
12-09-2009, 10:08 PM
First Ron Paul is auditing the Fed, now the Climategate got exposed, and Jesse Ventura is soon to be the highest rated program showing conspiracy theories to people. We have the Tea party which is becoming more and more awake. We have the Ron Paul revolution. Ron Paul is now constantly on tv. We have Dennis Kucinich proposing a bill to take troops out of Afghanistan. Your starting to have media divided on issues and becoming against the establishment.

Is this the mass awakening that goes to as far as the Bible? I'm starting to have a ray of hope that good things are going to come.

I have a strong feeling that ALL diseases are going to be cured. Were going to start using alternative means for fuels. Just remember to pray for these things to happen without the Ron Paul revolutionaries we wouldn't be where we're at.

You guys are apart of the chosen.

FSP-Rebel
12-09-2009, 10:26 PM
You guys are apart of the chosen.
That's an extremely positive way of looking at it..:cool:

Dianne
12-09-2009, 10:50 PM
It seems to be, but don't believe it for one minute. Our work has just begun, and it might just be the shift of command between the demos and repubs which always takes place in their back room bargaining scams.

TheConstitutionLives
12-09-2009, 11:19 PM
(rolling eyes)

TheConstitutionLives
12-09-2009, 11:27 PM
(sigh)


The 'nwo' is a million different things to a million different people. It's not some secret agenda that everyone at the top is orchestrating. There are thousands of agendas at play. That doesn't mean it's 'nwo'. For goodness' sake, Limbaugh is pro-war but he's not some nwo puppet. Everyone needs to understand that it is natural to assume. Humans have a tendancy to fill in the gaps with assumptions. All these people who harp on the 'nwo' b/c they listen to AJ too much need to stop automatically filling in the missing gaps by immediately claiming there's a consipiracy at hand. Connecting dots is one thing but to make huge leaps into global conspiracies is another.

If one wants to expose a conspiracy then expose the mother of all conspiracies (hoaxes) which is that men aren't spoken to by 'GOD' via burning bushes, or men aren't swallowed by big fish only to live to be spat on the shore days later, or that a man boarding a boat with millions of animal species to ride out a 40 day flood is really a myth, etc. Speaking of mass brainwashing - start there.

vegaspilot03
12-09-2009, 11:37 PM
we are the nwo. everyone of us that sees what is wrong with the world does so because only we can understand what they are doing, so only we could think of doing something like that. so then "nwo", in a sense, exists because of our own doubts, our own experiences and mindsets that developed either from previous experience or the crap we're fed on the tube. it won't be until we (individually) completely stop acting like them, that this might change. it is a disease of the society, not a few at the top.

If the cashier makes a mistake and gives you extra cash, and you walk away, you are no better than any bankers taking billions. they do it because they can get away with it. just like we would.

ONE LOVE.

"your best friend is the enemy"

"keeps your friend close, keeps your enemies closer"

FrankRep
12-09-2009, 11:42 PM
You have many different groups fighting for power.

Some with money ( International Bankers )
Some through corporations ( Corporatism / Bilderberg Group )
Some through International treaties / Environmentalism ( Global Socialists )

It's just one big power struggle.

revolutionisnow
12-10-2009, 12:16 AM
The word is getting out there but the train is still moving in the opposite direction at full speed, so no.

Magicman
12-10-2009, 12:23 AM
we are the nwo. everyone of us that sees what is wrong with the world does so because only we can understand what they are doing, so only we could think of doing something like that. so then "nwo", in a sense, exists because of our own doubts, our own experiences and mindsets that developed either from previous experience or the crap we're fed on the tube. it won't be until we (individually) completely stop acting like them, that this might change. it is a disease of the society, not a few at the top.

If the cashier makes a mistake and gives you extra cash, and you walk away, you are no better than any bankers taking billions. they do it because they can get away with it. just like we would.

ONE LOVE.

"your best friend is the enemy"

"keeps your friend close, keeps your enemies closer"

I agree with you completely. I used to live in London and everyone there was so cold. Society was messed up there. I did love living in the city though.

Dionysus
12-10-2009, 12:26 AM
YouTube - Re_ acciona (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuIr5e8-B0g&feature=related)

You think they're falling apart, then you watch a video like that and realize that they're not really wholly.... sane, in an ordinary sense of the word..

lynnf
12-10-2009, 03:54 AM
as long as they have their hand on the switch, we're still in danger.

we have a long way to go before we have taken it back and even then
the eternal price of liberty is eternal vigilance .

but there are some encouraging things happening.


lynn

zach
12-10-2009, 09:35 AM
This revolution is more than in a political sense.

paulitics
12-10-2009, 10:00 AM
The problem is they were deceptive so long, that now since they must show their cards, there will be more of a backlash than if they were simply open about it. I have read that Carrol Quigly had made this argument decades ago.

I'm sure they were expecting this backlash, and had made calcualtaions to counter it, but the optimist in me thinks perhaps their arrogance will be their undoing. Time will only tell.

rpfan2008
12-10-2009, 10:04 AM
LOL to OP

Please don't be too optimistic, your world is already under NWO. EU, Russia, US and developed nations of Asia are already under the zionist NWO.

silverhandorder
12-10-2009, 10:20 AM
There is no such a thing as NWO in the first place.

jmdrake
12-10-2009, 10:25 AM
(sigh)


The 'nwo' is a million different things to a million different people. It's not some secret agenda that everyone at the top is orchestrating. There are thousands of agendas at play. That doesn't mean it's 'nwo'. For goodness' sake, Limbaugh is pro-war but he's not some nwo puppet. Everyone needs to understand that it is natural to assume. Humans have a tendancy to fill in the gaps with assumptions. All these people who harp on the 'nwo' b/c they listen to AJ too much need to stop automatically filling in the missing gaps by immediately claiming there's a consipiracy at hand. Connecting dots is one thing but to make huge leaps into global conspiracies is another.

If one wants to expose a conspiracy then expose the mother of all conspiracies (hoaxes) which is that men aren't spoken to by 'GOD' via burning bushes, or men aren't swallowed by big fish only to live to be spat on the shore days later, or that a man boarding a boat with millions of animal species to ride out a 40 day flood is really a myth, etc. Speaking of mass brainwashing - start there.


Keep telling yourself that lie enough and you will eventually believe it. Ron Paul knows better.

YouTube - Ron Paul Bashes the New World Order at Rally in Nashville TN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDXHbgpoI80)

And Rush Limbaugh isn't just a puppet, he is a tool. He wasn't just "pro war", he was pro torture, pro patriot act, pro Real ID, etc. All of these things are needed to gain control of America. If they had been proposed by the United Nations and the democrats the right wing would have been up in arms. Instead we had a republican president pushing it supported by right wing false patriots. Now Obama pushes for war and gets a Nobel peace prize. That doesn't happen by accident. And I don't need a "burning bush" to see what's going on. You have Vicente Fox on Larry King Live talking about his efforts with Bush to set up the North American Union and to do away with the dollar.

YouTube - Vicente Fox hints about a North American Union (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYGrn0hZlCQ)

You have prime minister Medyedev showing the proposed world currency.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aeFVNYQpByU4

This is all mainstream news. Quit being like an Egyptian and living in DeNile.

Romulus
12-10-2009, 10:25 AM
cap and trade, healthcare, EPA declaring carbon deadly, new powers for the FED? youve got to be kidding. this fight has only begun

jmdrake
12-10-2009, 10:26 AM
There is no such a thing as NWO in the first place.

It's the "old world order" that's been around since the days of Babylon rearing its ugly head again. Just like the "new age" movement was just old false religion.

zach
12-10-2009, 10:37 AM
One could argue that the Fed and greed for money can be center factors for much of the turmoil happening.

Dr.3D
12-10-2009, 10:43 AM
Those who wish to implement a New World Order have been working toward it for a long, long time. They are used to setbacks but that will not deter them from their ultimate goal of world domination.

Those who say there is no NWO have not been watching the big picture long enough to understand the situation.

Magicman
12-10-2009, 10:44 AM
Keep telling yourself that lie enough and you will eventually believe it. Ron Paul knows better.

YouTube - Ron Paul Bashes the New World Order at Rally in Nashville TN (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDXHbgpoI80)

And Rush Limbaugh isn't just a puppet, he is a tool. He wasn't just "pro war", he was pro torture, pro patriot act, pro Real ID, etc. All of these things are needed to gain control of America. If they had been proposed by the United Nations and the democrats the right wing would have been up in arms. Instead we had a republican president pushing it supported by right wing false patriots. Now Obama pushes for war and gets a Nobel peace prize. That doesn't happen by accident. And I don't need a "burning bush" to see what's going on. You have Vicente Fox on Larry King Live talking about his efforts with Bush to set up the North American Union and to do away with the dollar.

YouTube - Vicente Fox hints about a North American Union (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYGrn0hZlCQ)

You have prime minister Medyedev showing the proposed world currency.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aeFVNYQpByU4

This is all mainstream news. Quit being like an Egyptian and living in DeNile.

Not to forget the recent Climategate a proven conspiracy has just been blown out of the water.

Bucjason
12-10-2009, 10:52 AM
(sigh)


The 'nwo' is a million different things to a million different people. It's not some secret agenda that everyone at the top is orchestrating. There are thousands of agendas at play. That doesn't mean it's 'nwo'. For goodness' sake, Limbaugh is pro-war but he's not some nwo puppet. Everyone needs to understand that it is natural to assume. Humans have a tendancy to fill in the gaps with assumptions. All these people who harp on the 'nwo' b/c they listen to AJ too much need to stop automatically filling in the missing gaps by immediately claiming there's a consipiracy at hand. Connecting dots is one thing but to make huge leaps into global conspiracies is another.

If one wants to expose a conspiracy then expose the mother of all conspiracies (hoaxes) which is that men aren't spoken to by 'GOD' via burning bushes, or men aren't swallowed by big fish only to live to be spat on the shore days later, or that a man boarding a boat with millions of animal species to ride out a 40 day flood is really a myth, etc. Speaking of mass brainwashing - start there.


...or maybe that isn't a conspiracy either. Maybe God just assumed we wouldn't be stupid enough to take all those stories literally , and instead look at the moral.

Bucjason
12-10-2009, 10:54 AM
I believe the NWO started falling apart right after Hulk Hogan left it :

http://www.chadgramling.com/img/perception/hogan_nwo.jpg

silverhandorder
12-10-2009, 10:56 AM
Even if it existed it changes absolutely nothing for what we have to do... So it's just chasing phantoms while you should be thinking about what you need to do.

Nate
12-10-2009, 11:00 AM
It's the "old world order" that's been around since the days of Babylon rearing its ugly head again. Just like the "new age" movement was just old false religion.

+1

YouTube - NWO Conspiracy Bullshit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgkCw8_rIVw)

Nothing new under the sun.

They just have better technology now. It will fail and fall apart just like all the other wannabe tyrants in the past.

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~Mohandas K Gandhi

jmdrake
12-10-2009, 11:01 AM
Even if it existed it changes absolutely nothing for what we have to do... So it's just chasing phantoms while you should be thinking about what you need to do.

Do you think the North American Union is a "phantom"? Do you think the Amero is a "phantom"? Why do you think Ron Paul is talking about those things? Do you think he doesn't know what he's doing? Knowing that the secret societies, think tanks, NGOs and international bodies that make up the new world order exist and that they have an agenda gives focus to what we need to do. Without understanding it you're just chasing your tail. It's the lack of understanding of the internationalist NWO agenda that allows the guy that's protesting against the war when Bush is president to acquiesce when Obama becomes president and instead focus on "health care" and "climate change".

Nate
12-10-2009, 11:06 AM
i believe the nwo started falling apart right after hulk hogan left it :

http://www.chadgramling.com/img/perception/hogan_nwo.jpg

lol

Nate
12-10-2009, 11:07 AM
Do you think the North American Union is a "phantom"? Do you think the Amero is a "phantom"? Why do you think Ron Paul is talking about those things? Do you think he doesn't know what he's doing? Knowing that the secret societies, think tanks, NGOs and international bodies that make up the new world order exist and that they have an agenda gives focus to what we need to do. Without understanding it you're just chasing your tail. It's the lack of understanding of the internationalist NWO agenda that allows the guy that's protesting against the war when Bush is president to acquiesce when Obama becomes president and instead focus on "health care" and "climate change".

+1

Know your enemy.

paulitics
12-10-2009, 11:08 AM
Can some of you folks still at the kiddy table tell me how the Europeans voted for their new president?

jmdrake
12-10-2009, 11:13 AM
+1

YouTube - NWO Conspiracy Bullshit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgkCw8_rIVw)

Nothing new under the sun.

They just have better technology now. It will fail and fall apart just like all the other wannabe tyrants in the past.

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS." ~Mohandas K Gandhi

LOL. That video was great! "Teenagers didn't invent partying and the 21st century didn't invent f'ing people over". That's the best video I've seen this month!

silverhandorder
12-10-2009, 11:14 AM
Do you think the North American Union is a "phantom"? Do you think the Amero is a "phantom"? Why do you think Ron Paul is talking about those things? Do you think he doesn't know what he's doing? Knowing that the secret societies, think tanks, NGOs and international bodies that make up the new world order exist and that they have an agenda gives focus to what we need to do. Without understanding it you're just chasing your tail. It's the lack of understanding of the internationalist NWO agenda that allows the guy that's protesting against the war when Bush is president to acquiesce when Obama becomes president and instead focus on "health care" and "climate change".

What I think is that talking about NAU and Amero is a pure waste of time. Instead of trying to prove some secret societies, think tanks, NGOs and international bodies exist (when they are not hiding at all) you should be educating your self and people you are trying to convert in economics, ethics and politics. I am sorry but screaming about existence of think tanks is not going to convert people who agree with those think tanks.

Health care, climate change and war advocates do not fear people like you. They fear people who understand the system to the point where they can explain in laymen terms to a brainwashed zealot why he is getting screwed. They fear people who understand the industry and can explain why intervention will make things worse.

rpfan2008
12-10-2009, 11:25 AM
Health care, climate change and war advocates do not fear people like you. They fear people who understand the system to the point where they can explain in laymen terms to a brainwashed zealot why he is getting screwed.

Hmmmm

They will create 100 more "systems" if you bust one. World is already running out of people who even care, Ron Paul always made noise about one system or the other but he only succeeded (partly, so far) when he went after the head of the octopus (FED). You can't win the war by attacking the leaves. Strike the root-- Zionist control.

When you expose their base they loose control over the illusions they have created, as they have to focus on saving their own asses. And attacking the HQ makes the fight shorter and a win is guaranteed.

paulitics
12-10-2009, 11:36 AM
Hmmmm

They will create 100 more "systems" if you bust one. World is already running out of people who even care, Ron Paul always made noise about one system or the other but he only succeeded (partly, so far) when he went after the head of the octopus (FED). You can't win the war by attacking the leaves.
That is true. They have several premade establishment templates...esp liberal vs conservative that they have everyone fighting within, while they take more and more away. It doesn't matter unless the people see the entire machine, not just one arm of it that pretends to be its friend.

This illusion of false parameters is their biggest weapon.

silverhandorder
12-10-2009, 11:42 AM
Hmmmm

They will create 100 more "systems" if you bust one. World is already running out of people who even care, Ron Paul always made noise about one system or the other but he only succeeded (partly, so far) when he went after the head of the octopus (FED). You can't win the war by attacking the leaves. Strike the root-- Zionist control.

When you expose their base they loose control over the illusions they have created, as they have to focus on saving their own asses. And attacking the HQ makes the fight shorter and a win is guaranteed.

Oh please money is Ron Paul's thing. Taxes is my thing. Everyone has a different issue that gets them going.

They create 100 different systems because people are not educated in the subject. There are not enough support for our intellectuals fighting to undo these systems. The most common dismissal of our liberty message does not come from "der you are all kooks!" it comes from people who think we are fundamentally wrong in what we want to do. Unless you as a liberty grunt take time and work hard at educating your self you will be impotent at converting those people. Who by far a large majority.

jmdrake
12-10-2009, 11:55 AM
What I think is that talking about NAU and Amero is a pure waste of time. Instead of trying to prove some secret societies, think tanks, NGOs and international bodies exist (when they are not hiding at all) you should be educating your self and people you are trying to convert in economics, ethics and politics. I am sorry but screaming about existence of think tanks is not going to convert people who agree with those think tanks.


:rolleyes: I think that trying to tell other people in the Ron Paul movement what to do, like you are doing is the real waste of time!

Trying to convert people who agree with those think tanks? What about those who don't agree but don't realize what's going on? I've shown the Vicente Fox clip on Larry King live to many people with good effect. I've seen a youth pastor wake up an entire black church by showing the connection of Obama to the masons and to Bush and tying it all back to 9/11. I know what I'm talking about from experience.



Health care, climate change and war advocates do not fear people like you.


They cheer people like you. People who have no real effect on change and waste their time attacking people who do.



They fear people who understand the system to the point where they can explain in laymen terms to a brainwashed zealot why he is getting screwed. They fear people who understand the industry and can explain why intervention will make things worse.


And I do understand the system. And I talked about it ad naseum. I was not effective until Obama was exposed by our local youth pastor as part of the NWO. People would intellectually agree with me but then go right back to Obama worship. Quit pretending you have all of the answers. I assure you YOU DO NOT!

Regards,

John M. Drake

jack555
12-10-2009, 11:57 AM
(sigh)


The 'nwo' is a million different things to a million different people. It's not some secret agenda that everyone at the top is orchestrating. There are thousands of agendas at play. That doesn't mean it's 'nwo'. For goodness' sake, Limbaugh is pro-war but he's not some nwo puppet. Everyone needs to understand that it is natural to assume. Humans have a tendancy to fill in the gaps with assumptions. All these people who harp on the 'nwo' b/c they listen to AJ too much need to stop automatically filling in the missing gaps by immediately claiming there's a consipiracy at hand. Connecting dots is one thing but to make huge leaps into global conspiracies is another.

If one wants to expose a conspiracy then expose the mother of all conspiracies (hoaxes) which is that men aren't spoken to by 'GOD' via burning bushes, or men aren't swallowed by big fish only to live to be spat on the shore days later, or that a man boarding a boat with millions of animal species to ride out a 40 day flood is really a myth, etc. Speaking of mass brainwashing - start there.


while there is some truth to what you say the NWO does exist. Major politicans and reporters refer too on a pretty often basis.

There is a movement (conspiracy only if you want to call it that, you could say the democrats are conspiring to make a socialized healthcare system) by the worlds major politicans to create a world government. This is fact. This is in general what the NWO refers too.

Magicman
12-10-2009, 11:57 AM
:rolleyes: I think that trying to tell other people in the Ron Paul movement what to do, like you are doing is the real waste of time!

Trying to convert people who agree with those think tanks? What about those who don't agree but don't realize what's going on? I've shown the Vicente Fox clip on Larry King live to many people with good effect. I've seen a youth pastor wake up an entire black church by showing the connection of Obama to the masons and to Bush and tying it all back to 9/11. I know what I'm talking about from experience.



They cheer people like you. People who have no real effect on change and waste their time attacking people who do.



And I do understand the system. And I talked about it ad naseum. I was not effective until Obama was exposed by our local youth pastor as part of the NWO. People would intellectually agree with me but then go right back to Obama worship. Quit pretending you have all of the answers. I assure you YOU DO NOT!

Regards,

John M. Drake

Can you send the link of the pastor that connects Obama to the Masons?

NerveShocker
12-10-2009, 12:01 PM
I don't know how the NWO progress is (However you want to define it). I do know our progress is acceptional as we are exposing many of these criminal organizations. We also have a prominent congressmen recently quoting The Creature From Jekyll Island which is the book that changed many of my views in life.

Right now I think we are at the least putting up a good fight from what I can see. If we can keep doing this eventually we have to win since we are selling truth and freedom while our enemy sells lies and slavery.

jmdrake
12-10-2009, 12:02 PM
Can you send the link of the pastor that connects Obama to the Masons?

Check your PM.

jmdrake
12-10-2009, 12:07 PM
These two films woke up my black Muslim barber to the danger that is Barack Obama.

YouTube - EndGame HQ full length version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-CrNlilZho)

YouTube - The Obama Deception HQ Full length version (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAaQNACwaLw)

And no I didn't give them to him. I did what some of the "know it alls" and "chicken littles" here say we should do. I just talked about issues, stayed away from conspiracies, talked about how great Ron Paul is, pointed out Obama hypocrisy on the war and other issues etc. He still ended up voting for Obama in 2008 but I guarantee he won't in 2012! When I see him now he trashes Obama before I even get a chance to bring the subject up! I really wish people here would quit thinking that their experience is everybody else's experience. We need to quit fighting this fight with one hand behind our backs just because we don't want to make some people uncomfortable.

Regards,

John M. Drake

Romulus
12-10-2009, 12:18 PM
What I think is that talking about NAU and Amero is a pure waste of time.

bzzzzzt. wrong.

Tell that to Europe.. maybe if they did more of that over there, they wouldnt have an EU or a Euro... soon to be with EU troops and so on.

stop being so concern with being label a 'conspriracy theorist' by those in the matrix. self image is a bitch.

Romulus
12-10-2009, 12:19 PM
Hmmmm

They will create 100 more "systems" if you bust one. World is already running out of people who even care, Ron Paul always made noise about one system or the other but he only succeeded (partly, so far) when he went after the head of the octopus (FED). You can't win the war by attacking the leaves. Strike the root-- Zionist control.

When you expose their base they loose control over the illusions they have created, as they have to focus on saving their own asses. And attacking the HQ makes the fight shorter and a win is guaranteed.

while i agree with tactics, i disagree over terms.. i prefer globalists. not all globalists are zionists and not all zionists are jews, so the term globalists covers them all quite well without marginalizing you as a nazi and them the joos.

silverhandorder
12-10-2009, 12:24 PM
:rolleyes: I think that trying to tell other people in the Ron Paul movement what to do, like you are doing is the real waste of time!

Trying to convert people who agree with those think tanks? What about those who don't agree but don't realize what's going on? I've shown the Vicente Fox clip on Larry King live to many people with good effect. I've seen a youth pastor wake up an entire black church by showing the connection of Obama to the masons and to Bush and tying it all back to 9/11. I know what I'm talking about from experience.



They cheer people like you. People who have no real effect on change and waste their time attacking people who do.



And I do understand the system. And I talked about it ad naseum. I was not effective until Obama was exposed by our local youth pastor as part of the NWO. People would intellectually agree with me but then go right back to Obama worship. Quit pretending you have all of the answers. I assure you YOU DO NOT!

Regards,

John M. Drake

I don't pretend like I have all the answers and you can do as you damn please.

However if you want a real discussion I am happy to participate in it. What you just described right now is a huge trap you have fallen into. You made your church reject the messenger but not the message. If down the road another well meaning socialist comes along the people you failed to convince will be again supporting the same thing.

I am against giving up national sovereignty to a super national body. However I think it is a pure waste of time to try to wake people up to something they are against in the first place. So what you showed a former Mexican President saying we need to merge our 3 countries together. The people who agree with you would be opposed to this anyways. So if the merger comes about they will not be for it.

jmdrake
12-10-2009, 12:38 PM
I don't pretend like I have all the answers and you can do as you damn please.

However if you want a real discussion I am happy to participate in it. What you just described right now is a huge trap you have fallen into. You made your church reject the messenger but not the message. If down the road another well meaning socialist comes along the people you failed to convince will be again supporting the same thing.


Are you able to freaking read? I am NOT the youth pastor! I did not give the sermon or even advise on it! It was as much of a shock to me as it was to anybody else! I tried it your way for over a year and it did not work! And most of the people at the church were already against socialism (100% against the bailout for example) but were falling into the Obama trap! You just can't admit that techniques that don't have your blessing actually work.



I am against giving up national sovereignty to a super national body. However I think it is a pure waste of time to try to wake people up to something they are against in the first place.


:rolleyes: You're not even consistent with yourself. Just a few posts earlier you said:

I am sorry but screaming about existence of think tanks is not going to convert people who agree with those think tanks.

And now you think it's a waste of time to let people who disagree with these same think tanks know what's going on? And I should take you seriously because...?

Here's the deal. Most people would disagree with the NAU if they knew what was actually happening. And most people would disagree with the people carrying it out if they knew those people were connected with it. So yes, this information is helpful. The fact that you are in denial about that changes nothing.



So what you showed a former Mexican President saying we need to merge our 3 countries together. The people who agree with you would be opposed to this anyways. So if the merger comes about they will not be for it.

:rolleyes: The point is to try build opposition before the merger comes to help prevent it from happening. Your argument is like saying "I don't need a smoke alarm because if I ever see my house burning down I'm going to call the fire department".

Regards,

John M. Drake

silverhandorder
12-10-2009, 12:43 PM
Are you able to freaking read? I am NOT the youth pastor! I did not give the sermon or even advise on it! It was as much of a shock to me as it was to anybody else! I tried it your way for over a year and it did not work! And most of the people at the church were already against socialism (100% against the bailout for example) but were falling into the Obama trap! You just can't admit that techniques that don't have your blessing actually work.



:rolleyes: You're not even consistent with yourself. Just a few posts earlier you said:

I am sorry but screaming about existence of think tanks is not going to convert people who agree with those think tanks.

And now you think it's a waste of time to let people who disagree with these same think tanks know what's going on? And I should take you seriously because...?

Here's the deal. Most people would disagree with the NAU if they knew what was actually happening. And most people would disagree with the people carrying it out if they knew those people were connected with it. So yes, this information is helpful. The fact that you are in denial about that changes nothing.



:rolleyes: The point is to try build opposition before the merger comes to help prevent it from happening. Your argument is like saying "I don't need a smoke alarm because if I ever see my house burning down I'm going to call the fire department".

Regards,

John M. Drake


How you know they were previously anti socialism? Being against bailout for banks does not make you "not a socialist". They can be for instance for a bailout to the poor.

Well the NAFTA highway is a big alarm. Maybe you should first push that back before thinking you can push the entire NAU.

jmdrake
12-10-2009, 12:55 PM
How you know they were previously anti socialism? Being against bailout for banks does not make you "not a socialist". They can be for instance for a bailout to the poor.


I've heard as many people at church talking against welfare as I have here. One thing Clinton gets credit for is "ending welfare as we know it". (I know he really didn't, but that's the propaganda that's been sold to the general American public). Besides, the bailout represents a whole different level of socialism. It was the start of the total takeover of the financial system and it's what justified everything else Obama is doing. In case you missed it:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:G8UMa6Ktluwi7M:http://www.galvestoneconomicreport.com/Pics/NewsweekSocialists.jpg

There are people who don't consider themselves socialists who might support helping the poor to some extent. But there's no way to justify a complete government takeover of the financial sector.



Well the NAFTA highway is a big alarm. Maybe you should first push that back before thinking you can push the entire NAU.

I don't live in Texas. That's ground zero for the NAFTA highway. I wish them well. We have our own local fights here in Tennessee.

silverhandorder
12-10-2009, 01:00 PM
I've heard as many people at church talking against welfare as I have here. One thing Clinton gets credit for is "ending welfare as we know it". (I know he really didn't, but that's the propaganda that's been sold to the general American public). Besides, the bailout represents a whole different level of socialism. It was the start of the total takeover of the financial system and it's what justified everything else Obama is doing. In case you missed it:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:G8UMa6Ktluwi7M:http://www.galvestoneconomicreport.com/Pics/NewsweekSocialists.jpg


Which really plays in my point that education should be a first. I wonder how many of those people are for nationalizing banks but against giving banks money.


I don't live in Texas. That's ground zero for the NAFTA highway. I wish them well. We have our own local fights here in Tennessee.

NAFTA is a national issue. It effects Texas but as you claim if it spreads to Canada then it would be better to fight it now. Anyways I guess we can agree on that local issues trump NWO and NAU theories.

jmdrake
12-10-2009, 01:12 PM
Which really plays in my point that education should be a first. I wonder how many of those people are for nationalizing banks but against giving banks money.


How many of which people? I've yet to meet anyone in person who was for nationalizing the banks.



NAFTA is a national issue. It effects Texas but as you claim if it spreads to Canada then it would be better to fight it now. Anyways I guess we can agree on that local issues trump NWO and NAU theories.

Yes NAFTA is a national issue. But you asked me about the NAFTA highway. That's being rolled out in Texas right now in a way that is undeniable. It's just not a salient issue where I live. Maybe it should be. I can talk to local people about the problems of NAFTA in general considering that GM just closed down a manufacturing plant in Tennessee and built a new one in Mexico. Local people know people who lost their job when Saturn closed. Finding someone who lost land due to the trans Texas corridor is a bit more difficult. Hey, if you know of a way to get people thousands of miles away excited about how NAFTA is affecting Texas let me know.