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jmdrake

12-09-2009, 03:30 PM

MRoCkEd

12-09-2009, 03:56 PM

That was great!

ScoutsHonor

12-09-2009, 04:02 PM

Three cheers for Michael!

ravedown

12-09-2009, 04:09 PM

just dont mention any connection to Israel or he'll scream you down as an anti-Semite, he's asking the right question, but doesn't want to know or believe the real answer.

paulpwns

12-09-2009, 04:12 PM

Yeah, this is the same guy that said we just nuke the middle east into glass.

You should have listened to him during the Bush years.

Terrible. Makes Hannity look like a girl scout.

He is also said on his short lived TV program that someone should die of aids. actually heres the clip.

YouTube - Michael Savage Gets Fired (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMtrpHjD2is)

Romulus

12-09-2009, 04:30 PM

maybe my math is fuzzy.. but 50% is half and 200% is twice. we have been there 200% longer than ww2, not 50%.

at least hes speaking up about it now...

Athan

12-09-2009, 05:03 PM

Doesn't anti-semetic refer to anyone middle eastern?

Trigonx

12-09-2009, 05:21 PM

maybe my math is fuzzy.. but 50% is half and 200% is twice. we have been there 200% longer than ww2, not 50%.

at least hes speaking up about it now...

he said both world wars. so lets say 2-3 years each for both = 5-6 years + 50% of that = 7.5-9 years

right?

nbruno322

12-09-2009, 07:40 PM

YouTube - Why is the USA in Afghanistan? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2PNzG6q8bE)

Promontorium

12-09-2009, 07:55 PM

I used to listen to Savage, until 9/11 when he completely lost it. Every day, EVERY DAY "wiretap the mosques" "war against the entire middle east".

He's never pulled any punches on hating people, never a tool for the president like Limbaugh or Faux News.

But god is he a hypocrite for this. Absolute hypocrite.

Akus

12-09-2009, 08:24 PM

To all of those who think Michael Savage is worth your time, understand that he completely flipped now that the Democrat is in the WHite House. When Bush was in the WH, he constantly called for more wars, called everyone who wanted to pull out peacenicks and America haters, constantly compared Iraq's heroics to that of WWII.

If McCain won, I guarantee you that he'd be all for staying in Afghanistan forever to find bin Laden and would accuse everyone not agreeing with him to want America to lose.

He is an old geezer, whose living is whining on the airwaves. He talked a lot about running for president, well, we didn't see that did we. He constantly complains about corruption in Bay Area, but when it comes for him running for a mayor or governor or some kind of a county representative, he backs out.

I do not listen to him and I have less respect for him then I do for O'Reilly and Hannity, because at the very least, flip flops as they are, they don't come off as whiny losers in the far end of the bar with their Bud Light too lazy to get up off their asses and do something.

Seriously, he is the worst. I wish our local talk radio would just stop playing him.

Akus

12-09-2009, 08:24 PM

Fair weather patriots, Constitutionalists and pacifists disgust me.

Akus

12-09-2009, 08:39 PM

Seroiusly, jmdrake, if you want to learn about world events, watch pro-wrestling or Jerry Springer, if he is still running. Even those two shows are more informative that Savage.

krazy kaju

12-09-2009, 08:54 PM

I like to listen to Savage occasionally if only because he is super provocative. He's usually a warmonger, but of course he's right on this one. I think he has finally seen that we've overstayed in Afghanistan and it's about time to leave.

krazy kaju

12-09-2009, 08:57 PM

If McCain won, I guarantee you that he'd be all for staying in Afghanistan forever to find bin Laden and would accuse everyone not agreeing with him to want America to lose.

I'm not so sure. He pretty much hates the Republican establishment, along with most conservative commentators (e.g. Beck, Hannity, Levin to name a few). His M.O. is being a contrarian and that's exactly what he's doing right now. Remember, most Republicans are criticizing Obama for not sending in enough troops. Savage is taking the exact opposite stance.

Thrashertm

12-09-2009, 09:27 PM

I heard this when it was first broadcast. I often disagree with Savage. (He thinks the Iraqis should pay us "reparations" for "liberating" them). But he nailed it on the head with this video. I still don't trust him, but this makes good fodder for your neocon friends.

YouTube - MICHAEL SAVAGE - END THE WAR!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QJzkujTUdo)

Savage is right with his points, but I used to listen to him on occasion in 2004 and 2005 and he was cheerleading the war big time. He's just as much of a phony partisan hack as the leftists and liberals he denigrates in this clip.

RevolutionSD

12-09-2009, 09:29 PM

This guy is a class A A-hole.
The neocons are now turning on afghansitan because it serves them politically, not because they suddenly grew a heart and are actually anti-war.

When he turns against ALL wars, I may listen, but all this is just hot air.

jmdrake

12-09-2009, 09:32 PM

Seroiusly, jmdrake, if you want to learn about world events, watch pro-wrestling or Jerry Springer, if he is still running. Even those two shows are more informative that Savage.

Goodness. Did you completely misunderstand my original post? Here, I'll give it to you again.

I heard this when it was first broadcast. I often disagree with Savage. (He thinks the Iraqis should pay us "reparations" for "liberating" them). But he nailed it on the head with this video. I still don't trust him, but this makes good fodder for your neocon friends.

I put that last sentence in bold so you wouldn't miss it this time. I do NOT trust Savage. But this further undercuts the position of those who want to continue these wars. If a warmongering Islamaphobe like Savage can see it's time to go then anybody should understand it's time to go. I actually used this information when we had our impromptu parade after the last local "End the Fed" rally. Someone came up to us and said "I would like Ron Paul except for his foreign policy. He doesn't support the war". I asked this neocon "Do you like Michael Savage"? He of course said "Yes". I told him "Savage wants us out of Iraq too". He didn't really have an answer to that. (He asked if we hadn't already "won" that war. Some people are so clueless it's scary.)

As for where to go to learn about world events, the best place to go is to people who don't support the party in power. When Bush was in power, those on the life the Olbermann and Matthews were good sources. Now that Obama's in power you can find some truth from right wing sources like Savage, Beck and Hannity. Olbermann and Matthews will be worthless until at least 2012. Alex Jones makes a good source because he's against everybody.

Regards,

John M. Drake

krazy kaju

12-09-2009, 09:34 PM

The neocons are now turning on afghansitan because it serves them politically, not because they suddenly grew a heart and are actually anti-war.

The problem with your analysis is that "the neocons" are trashing Obama for not sending in enough troops. Savage is doing the exact opposite and saying that we should pull the troops out of Afghanistan since we're fighting an unwinnable war.

Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic, but judging by Savage's record of being a contrarian and attacking both Republicans and Democrats as he sees fit, I think Savage is being genuine in his opposition to the Afghan war. He's just seen that we've been in there too long and accomplished diddly squat, so now he wants out.

jmdrake

12-09-2009, 09:35 PM

I'm not so sure. He pretty much hates the Republican establishment, along with most conservative commentators (e.g. Beck, Hannity, Levin to name a few). His M.O. is being a contrarian and that's exactly what he's doing right now. Remember, most Republicans are criticizing Obama for not sending in enough troops. Savage is taking the exact opposite stance.

Yep. So if you think strategically this is a helpful development. Call into your local cheerleading neocon show. Point out something Savage said that you know the host agrees with. (Illegal immigration, being against Obamacare, whatever). Then ask "Hey. What do you think about Savage questioning the Afghan war?'

Akus

12-09-2009, 09:44 PM

Goodness. Did you completely misunderstand my original post? Here, I'll give it to you again.

I heard this when it was first broadcast. I often disagree with Savage. (He thinks the Iraqis should pay us "reparations" for "liberating" them). But he nailed it on the head with this video. I still don't trust him, but this makes good fodder for your neocon friends.

I put that last sentence in bold so you wouldn't miss it this time. I do NOT trust Savage. But this further undercuts the position of those who want to continue these wars. If a warmongering Islamaphobe like Savage can see it's time to go then anybody should understand it's time to go. I actually used this information when we had our impromptu parade after the last local "End the Fed" rally. Someone came up to us and said "I would like Ron Paul except for his foreign policy. He doesn't support the war". I asked this neocon "Do you like Michael Savage"? He of course said "Yes". I told him "Savage wants us out of Iraq too". He didn't really have an answer to that. (He asked if we hadn't already "won" that war. Some people are so clueless it's scary.)

As for where to go to learn about world events, the best place to go is to people who don't support the party in power. When Bush was in power, those on the life the Olbermann and Matthews were good sources. Now that Obama's in power you can find some truth from right wing sources like Savage, Beck and Hannity. Olbermann and Matthews will be worthless until at least 2012. Alex Jones makes a good source because he's against everybody.

Regards,

John M. Drake

No, I think you misunderstood ME. You don't trust MS, but listened to him anyway. I am telling you NOT to listen to him, for whatever reason. He is saying things right wingers are supposed to say. Stop thinking that these political shock jocks are some average schmoes that just put on a tie, get in their Ford Taurus, and drive to work after kissing their wifes/2.3 kids good bye.

Don't look for the truth in some place that opposes whatever party is at the wheel. So he'll tell you something Olbermann and Bill Maher won't. Ron Paul will tell you something that neither Bill Maher nor Michael Savage will. I am not making God out of our man RP, I'm just saying that talk radio in general and ESPECIALLY Michael Savage in particular are political tabloids and, as such, are worthless.

Akus

12-09-2009, 09:47 PM

I'm not so sure. He pretty much hates the Republican establishment, ........

But he still suppors and supported Republicans didn't he?:mad:

I am not saying this to be an asshole, but stop being so naive. If these people gave half of an iota of shit about borders/language/culture/Constitution/whatever, the talk radio would be round the clock Ron Paul infomercial, when he was running.

krazy kaju

12-09-2009, 09:50 PM

He is saying things right wingers are supposed to say.

No he isn't. What right wingers are supposed to say is that Obama didn't send enough troops into Afghanistan. That's what many Republicans and conservative commentators have been saying - e.g. Hannity, Beck, Limbaugh, Levin, just to name a few. Savage is taking the opposite stance. Savage has been known to do battle with establishment Republicans and other conservative talk show hosts. That's why I'm saying that Savage is probably being legitimate in his opposition to the war. Or even if he isn't, he isn't doing this just to piss off Obama and the Democrats. At the very least, he's doing this to piss off Obama, the Democrats, and mainstream Republicans/neocons.

krazy kaju

12-09-2009, 09:55 PM

But he still suppors and supported Republicans didn't he?:mad:

I am not saying this to be an asshole, but stop being so naive. If these people gave half of an iota of shit about borders/language/culture/Constitution/whatever, the talk radio would be round the clock Ron Paul infomercial, when he was running.

Again, I'm not a Savage fan, but the man does attack Republicans and neocons fairly often. He's had a feud with Mark Levin for ages now and he has repeatedly attacked Republicans like McCain. Savage isn't just another guy who gets talking points from the RNC or some other Republican and/or neocon organization. He's seems legit. And even if he isn't legit, even if he just is a shock-jock who is in it for the money, he isn't attacking the Afghanistan war just to piss off Obama and the Democrats. After all, neocons and Republicans have been arguing that Obama:
a) Didn't make his decision to send more troops quick enough.
and
b) Didn't send enough troops in.

Savage is taking the OPPOSITE stance by saying that we should just pull out of Afghanistan. It seems to me that what Savage is doing could be:
a) Keeping with his MO of being a contrarian shock jock in order to make money.
or
b) Actually realizing that all hope is lost in Afghanistan.
or
c) All of the above.

P.S. I enjoy your avatar very much. :)

jmdrake

12-10-2009, 05:42 AM

No, I think you misunderstood ME. You don't trust MS, but listened to him anyway. I am telling you NOT to listen to him, for whatever reason. He is saying things right wingers are supposed to say. Stop thinking that these political shock jocks are some average schmoes that just put on a tie, get in their Ford Taurus, and drive to work after kissing their wifes/2.3 kids good bye.

Don't look for the truth in some place that opposes whatever party is at the wheel. So he'll tell you something Olbermann and Bill Maher won't. Ron Paul will tell you something that neither Bill Maher nor Michael Savage will. I am not making God out of our man RP, I'm just saying that talk radio in general and ESPECIALLY Michael Savage in particular are political tabloids and, as such, are worthless.

You still don't get it. I'm not looking for truth from Michael Savage. I'm looking for ammunition! If I'm talking to a neocon who doesn't like Ron Paul because of his foreign policy I can't say "Well Ron Paul thinks we need to get out of Afghanistan". I can say "This schmuck you've been listening to and agreeing with all this time also thinks we should get out of Afghanistan". I've already been able to use this to my advantage. If you don't get it, fine. You don't get it. But don't try to lecture me because of what you don't understand. Besides, Ron Paul isn't on my radio when I'm driving. If I can get something useful at what would otherwise be dead time then good. And at times I get useful information. For that matter there's useful information in tabloids once in a while.

Regards,

John M. Drake

Romulus

12-10-2009, 08:10 AM

drake is right... dont seek truth from these idiots.. seek ammo!

Romulus

12-10-2009, 08:12 AM

ScoutsHonor

12-10-2009, 08:30 AM

The problem with your analysis is that "the neocons" are trashing Obama for not sending in enough troops. Savage is doing the exact opposite and saying that we should pull the troops out of Afghanistan since we're fighting an unwinnable war.

Perhaps I'm being overly optimistic, but judging by Savage's record of being a contrarian and attacking both Republicans and Democrats as he sees fit, I think Savage is being genuine in his opposition to the Afghan war. He's just seen that we've been in there too long and accomplished diddly squat, so now he wants out.

I agree with this assessment. I think Savage genuinely believes we're wrong to be in Afghanistan because, as he says, "why are we there??". When he was pro the Iraqi war, it was because he had bought the Bush scenario, that those b*stards had bombed the Twin Towers!! and we had to defend our Country!!

(Hard to believe he was really that naive for so long, tho. :confused::()

Brian4Liberty

12-10-2009, 01:59 PM

Two points:

- Savage was 100% against the illegal war on Serbia waged by Clinton. He professed a lot of standard anti-war beliefs at that time.

- Savage picks his wars. Not that Savage is a full neo-con, but even the neo-cons were never really for the Afghan war in the first place. They accepted the Afghan war as necessary before they could justify their Iraq war (Collin Powell and others insisted that Afghanistan was a higher priority, so they had to wait). Savage is not 100% pro-war at all times, like some people are.

amy31416

12-10-2009, 04:33 PM

You still don't get it. I'm not looking for truth from Michael Savage. I'm looking for ammunition!

I get it. I think it's a good strategy to get someone to try to think a little differently if you can get clips of someone that a person respects or considers an "authority figure" that agree with your point of view. I recently posted something on Cap & Trade that should speak to liberals. I don't agree with the woman more than 50%, but if it gets them to start looking at things differently, great.

What I don't understand about Savage's listeners is that they get really, really mad when you point out that he used to be a left-wing extremist commie/socialist/Marxist type who either was in love with Allen Ginsburg, had a relationship with him or both. And now, of course, Savage is one of the biggest homophobes out there.

It kinda cracks me up.

klamath

12-10-2009, 05:06 PM

I have listened to Savage an hour here and an hour there over the years and he is all about being contrary. No, unlike limbaugh hanity and such he is not a partisan hack. I have heard him rip Bush as hard as he ever rips democrats. I rarely listen, don't trust, get my news or like Savage's style but to have people try and dismiss him as a partisan hack is flat out wrong.

jmdrake

12-10-2009, 07:26 PM

I get it. I think it's a good strategy to get someone to try to think a little differently if you can get clips of someone that a person respects or considers an "authority figure" that agree with your point of view. I recently posted something on Cap & Trade that should speak to liberals. I don't agree with the woman more than 50%, but if it gets them to start looking at things differently, great.

What I don't understand about Savage's listeners is that they get really, really mad when you point out that he used to be a left-wing extremist commie/socialist/Marxist type who either was in love with Allen Ginsburg, had a relationship with him or both. And now, of course, Savage is one of the biggest homophobes out there.

It kinda cracks me up.

Yeah. That is funny. I heard about Savage's past with Ginsburg while listening to Alex Jones. It's also funny that Savage talks every so often about how he has to "get out of San Fransisco" because it has "become so degenerate". Maybe I missed something, but hasn't S.F. been the gay capital of the world for at least half a century? If he hates that part of S.F. so much why does he keep hanging around? :p

amy31416

12-10-2009, 07:36 PM

Yeah. That is funny. I heard about Savage's past with Ginsburg while listening to Alex Jones. It's also funny that Savage talks every so often about how he has to "get out of San Fransisco" because it has "become so degenerate". Maybe I missed something, but hasn't S.F. been the gay capital of the world for at least half a century? If he hates that part of S.F. so much why does he keep hanging around? :p

The dude has some serious psycho-sexual issues going on. Guys like him are one reason I wish people in this country weren't so hung up on homosexuality, I think if he could come back out of the closet, he probably wouldn't be such a train wreck.

Almost makes me feel sorry for him. :D

revolutionary8

12-11-2009, 12:09 AM

YouTube - Why is the USA in Afghanistan? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2PNzG6q8bE)

Beg. @ about 8:30 holy shit. I can't believe he said that. :eek:

balls of steel

its genocide.

krazy kaju

12-11-2009, 01:02 AM