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Goldhunter27
12-09-2009, 12:43 PM
Children are uniquely malleable beings, readily convinced of magically colorful tales – Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy are the first that come to mind. This innocence is beautiful, but it is a quality that can easily fall victim to radically foreign ideas if taught consistently and pervasively at an early age. One need only look at the birth of fascism or socialism to see a recipe for how radical ideas become ubiquitous among a nation’s youth.

Enter Howard Zinn – an author, professor and American historian – who, with the help of Hollywood and the History Channel, intends to change the way our pre-K through high school children learn American history. His current curriculum suggestions, like introducing three-year-olds to the lynching of African-Americans, or quizzing seven-year-olds on which Presidents owned slaves, should be a red flag to parents. Zinn has spent a lifetime teaching college students about the evils of capitalism, the promise of Marxism, and his version of American history – a history that has, in his view, been kept from students. His controversial 1980-book The People’s History of the United States paints traditional American history as a façade – one that has grotesquely immortalized flawed leaders and is based on principles that victimize the common man. In 2004, Zinn wrote a companion book entitled Voices Of A People’s History Of The United States, which includes speeches and writings from many of the people featured in The People’s History.

These two books have now become the basis for a new documentary, entitled The People Speak, to be aired December 13th at 8pm on the History Channel. The trailer portrays the documentary as a collage of compelling one-person readings, told through the words of “ordinary” people who have struggled throughout American history against oppression. Produced by Zinn, Matt Damon, Josh Brolin, and Chris Moore, the documentary appears to be cloaked, ironically (given Zinn’s admitted socialist agenda), in many of the traditional ideas that were behind our founding. The verdict is still out on the doc, but it is not for the books that inspired the film as well as the educational initiative associated with it.

Perhaps due to their one-sided perspective of America’s past, Zinn’s history books have largely been limited to colleges and universities, until now. In the press release announcing the broadcast, HISTORY introduced a partnership with VOICES Of A People’s History Of The United States, a nonprofit led by Zinn that bares the same name as his companion book, to help get his special brand of history into classrooms.

Delving into Zinn’s nonprofit is where this story gets interesting, and the organization’s grade school educational ambitions concerning.

VOICES’ function is to provide live performances of readings from the book Voices of a People’s History as well as educational materials to schoolteachers. The nonprofit’s site provides teachers with resources, including a teaching guide that explains how to get students excited about Zinn’s history books. Their educational materials also includes the Zinn Education Project, a resource for teaching Zinn’s perspective of American history to – drum roll please – pre-Kindergarten through high school students! Included in the curriculum for pre-K students (that’s three and four year-olds) is “Rethinking Columbus,” which counters “the myth of Columbus.” In Zinn’s view, our pre-K children “need to hear from those whose lands and rights were taken away by those who ‘discovered’ them.”

Another teaching lesson for our three-year-old students is “One Country! One Language! One Flag!” that includes teaching ideas for “examining the history of the Pledge of Allegiance and the political milieu in which it was written.” The teaching plan suggests introducing our pre-K-ers to the lynching of African-Americans in the 1880s, and introducing the history of violence and discrimination against minority groups. It also proposes a discussion on an old “One Language!” chant allegedly used in classrooms up until 1942, and poses teachers with the question, “Why not lead kids in the original Pledge to the Flag, including the ‘One Language!’ chant and the Nazi-like salute, and then lead a discussion about the politics of the Pledge?”

This discussion is proposed for kids age three to seven?

Zinn also includes a youngster version of his influential book entitled A Young People’s History of the United States as an introduction to his untold American History. The publisher of the book highlights a review by the magazine Socialist Review, who proclaimed “Howard Zinn has adapted his People’s History of the United States for younger readers, but in no way do these books pull their punches. Zinn feels the younger reader is entitled to look at US history honestly.”

The background of the board of directors and advisers of VOICES’ can only be described as jaw dropping and begins to show a clear motive behind teaching this predominantly anti-American history at such a young age.

Made up of several notables including Zinn, Kerry Washington, and Marisa Tomei, all of whom make appearances in the documentary, the VOICES board also includes radicals who play a role in our public schools. Brian Jones, a New York teacher and actor, is a board member of VOICES and has also played the lead in Zinn’s play Marx in SoHo. You can see Jones speaking about Zinn and the play below, recorded for a performance in Greece, where he extols the benefits of this one man play as a tool to introduce people to Marx’s ideas:



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http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pcourrielche/2009/12/07/next-week-on-the-history-channel-hollywood-stars-introduce-your-kids-to-marxism/

haaaylee
12-09-2009, 01:07 PM
Glenn Beck is gonna freak.

paulpwns
12-09-2009, 01:10 PM
Having read the book, I must say it is a great piece of literary work that is willing to ask tough questions about our nation's history.
Is it 100% correct? No
Is it biased? Of course

LibertyEagle
12-09-2009, 01:13 PM
That's not the type of thing that should be taught to little kids.

Making the youth doubt the principles upon which this country was founded, is just one of the steps in destroying our country.

constituent
12-09-2009, 03:26 PM
That's not the type of thing that should be taught to little kids.

Which little kids did he teach this to?

The author of this one piece stated these were his "curriculum suggestions." I think it's a bit of a stretch to characterize this as "teaching little kids."



Making the youth doubt the principles upon which this country was founded, is just one of the steps in destroying our country.

I agree, it drove me nuts to see the blind nationalism and hero worship pushed on my younger siblings and their friends post 9/11. Hell, some of 'em even went off and volunteered to fight in an unconstitutional, undeclared war.

IIRC, combatting blind nationalism, concentrated power, etc. are some of the main principles on which this country was--per the standard line--founded.

The heart of the matter is this, is it better to teach children to distrust their leaders, to question their leaders motives, or is it better to teach children that leaders must not be questioned, the good of the country come before the individual good, etc., etc., etc.?

Maybe our issue isn't with the author in question, but rather the education system, the "young minds," that he allegedly seeks to control...

constituent
12-09-2009, 03:32 PM
I'm curious as to which part of this the folks around here object to.


VOICES’ function is to provide live performances of readings from the book Voices of a People’s History as well as educational materials to schoolteachers. The nonprofit’s site provides teachers with resources, including a teaching guide that explains how to get students excited about Zinn’s history books. Their educational materials also includes the Zinn Education Project, a resource for teaching Zinn’s perspective of American history to – drum roll please – pre-Kindergarten through high school students! Included in the curriculum for pre-K students (that’s three and four year-olds) is “Rethinking Columbus,” which counters “the myth of Columbus.” In Zinn’s view, our pre-K children “need to hear from those whose lands and rights were taken away by those who ‘discovered’ them.”

Another teaching lesson for our three-year-old students is “One Country! One Language! One Flag!” that includes teaching ideas for “examining the history of the Pledge of Allegiance and the political milieu in which it was written.” The teaching plan suggests introducing our pre-K-ers to the lynching of African-Americans in the 1880s, and introducing the history of violence and discrimination against minority groups. It also proposes a discussion on an old “One Language!” chant allegedly used in classrooms up until 1942, and poses teachers with the question, “Why not lead kids in the original Pledge to the Flag, including the ‘One Language!’ chant and the Nazi-like salute, and then lead a discussion about the politics of the Pledge?”

Other than the whole introducing pre-K kids to lynching thing. That s*'s just insane.

Cowlesy
12-09-2009, 03:48 PM
There is bias in everything. Lincoln is portrayed one way by textbooks, another way by Thomas DiLorenzo and a third way by Doris Kearns Goodwin.

You could take one topic, almost any topic...give a leftist viewpoint, a rightist viewpoint, a centrist viewpoint combining a bit of each.

So it seems like all we do is place facts, with bias in some direction, in these kids heads. All I want kids to do is to *learn* how to think.

Q: Do you want to help your fellow man? (Yes)
Q: Should you be forced to help your fellow man? (Yes)
Q: Since answering yes, why do you believe someone else can force you to do something?

I don't know...stuff like that...

Naraku
12-10-2009, 02:27 PM
I think kids should be informed of the raw unfiltered facts as all people should. However, this is clearly a political indoctrination project which I am opposed to in all ways.

Lovecraftian4Paul
12-10-2009, 06:34 PM
Notice how Zinn's history does nothing but tear down America's past so that the children will learn to hate their country. If they hate it, chances are good they will never look into the political traditions of those "rich, slave-owning white men" and latch onto idealistic Marxian tyranny instead.

Grimnir Wotansvolk
12-10-2009, 07:16 PM
Marx was mostly correct, with the unfortunate fault of not seeing the major role the state plays in propping up the capitalist class and simultaneously subordinating the proletariat and petite bourgeoisie to business and political interests.

Just take away "the dictatorship of the proletariat", and you have something which synthesizes perfectly with libertarianism.

Naraku
12-11-2009, 12:25 AM
Notice how Zinn's history does nothing but tear down America's past so that the children will learn to hate their country. If they hate it, chances are good they will never look into the political traditions of those "rich, slave-owning white men" and latch onto idealistic Marxian tyranny instead.

They should not look blindly into their politics in any event. Some here try to appeal to some historical individual's authority as though they are without fail or do not get things wrong. I can not think of how many times people have cited the Founders to tell me we are "a republic, not a democracy" as if they somehow have perfect understanding of political systems. Of course, I think many here would find themselves in conflict with the Founders on a variety of subjects. Ron Paul would also likely find himself in conflict with them on a number of issues.

People talk so much about it in relation to "communist" states that they've forgotten Marx is the one who coined the term "cult of personality" to describe the veneration of individuals particularly those in government.

I certainly support encouraging a critical attitude at an early age because it is at that point when children are most easily brainwashed and it is much more difficult to overcome later in life as people generally become more close-minded. However, part of having a critical attitude is to be critical of the criticism. For instance, one might acknowledge that George Washington was a slave-owner, but also recognize that he was not the horrific caricature of slavery one often gets. The white man's burden, though pompous and racist, was a more sentimental philosophy than the general hostility to foreigners exhibited in Asian cultures.

A book like this can be helpful to people at a certain age to encourage them to be more critical of what they are told and to consider facts which may not be so readily presented to them elsewhere. Education at an early age is certainly of interest, though only endorsing political indoctrination for one philosophy does not serve the cause of making children critical thinkers.

Austrian Econ Disciple
12-11-2009, 12:32 AM
They should not look blindly into their politics in any event. Some here try to appeal to some historical individual's authority as though they are without fail or do not get things wrong. I can not think of how many times people have cited the Founders to tell me we are "a republic, not a democracy" as if they somehow have perfect understanding of political systems. Of course, I think many here would find themselves in conflict with the Founders on a variety of subjects. Ron Paul would also likely find himself in conflict with them on a number of issues.

People talk so much about it in relation to "communist" states that they've forgotten Marx is the one who coined the term "cult of personality" to describe the veneration of individuals particularly those in government.

I certainly support encouraging a critical attitude at an early age because it is at that point when children are most easily brainwashed and it is much more difficult to overcome later in life as people generally become more close-minded. However, part of having a critical attitude is to be critical of the criticism. For instance, one might acknowledge that George Washington was a slave-owner, but also recognize that he was not the horrific caricature of slavery one often gets. The white man's burden, though pompous and racist, was a more sentimental philosophy than the general hostility to foreigners exhibited in Asian cultures.

A book like this can be helpful to people at a certain age to encourage them to be more critical of what they are told and to consider facts which may not be so readily presented to them elsewhere. Education at an early age is certainly of interest, though only endorsing political indoctrination for one philosophy does not serve the cause of making children critical thinkers.

This would be the case if the current system of education wasn't all ready so indoctrinated to churn out zombies, ill-educated sheep, and a deep divide between fact and fiction. Even many on this forum do not fully comprehend the radical libertarian foundation of this country (No taxation, no standing armies, free-trade, laissez-faire, private property, etc.). There currently is no balance. So, what you are saying is moot. If they tought liberty, private property, Natural Law, history of American Classical Liberalism through Locke, Rousseau, etc. then sure, you can teach the Hamiltonian and Federalist viewpoint also. The point though, is that currently students are indoctrinated to look at the Federal Government and Government in general for everything, and to look at our foundation as evil.

For example: How many know about Van Buren totally de-centralizing and actually turning the US into a free-banking system?