Another media manufactured scandal against Glenn Beck

[MN Patriot]

I know many people here don't like Glenn Beck because he once said something that someone disagreed with. But he does call himself a libertarian, and talks about the socialist madness that has afflicted the nation.

Today Yahoo! featured this article about him: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1022.

The liberal media Establishment must have decided to smear Glenn Beck from all sides. This time they attacking his greed. HOW DARE HE PROMOTE GOLD! One of his sponsors advertises gold, and Glen does live advertisements for them! OH NO! MAKING MONEY! How evil!

They even -gated the issue: "Beck's gold-gate".

I listen to him occasionally, and have noticed his transitions into gold advertisements. Hard to tell where the program stops and the advertisement begins. Doesn't matter to me. But the leftists hate advertising, commerce, profits.

So is this another attempt by the media to discredit the entire liberty movement? Try to discredit Beck, gold and capitalism in one shot? Seems to me they are getting desperate.

[paulitics]

bleh. Rush limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, and every other talk show on the 'right' is pimping gold, and has been for over a year. Who cares if they are making a profit on a product. I have more of a problem with networks like NBC, who's biggest investor is GE, that makes money off wars, and "climate change" . They aren't looking to profit from ratings, but from influencing public policy through propaganda.

[speciallyblend]

beck is a trainwreck. no reason to defend him. let him rise or fall on his own bs. he sells crap nothing more.

[RevolutionSD]

I know many people here don't like Glenn Beck because he once said something that someone disagreed with. But he does call himself a libertarian, and talks about the socialist madness that has afflicted the nation.

Today Yahoo! featured this article about him: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts1022.

The liberal media Establishment must have decided to smear Glenn Beck from all sides. This time they attacking his greed. HOW DARE HE PROMOTE GOLD! One of his sponsors advertises gold, and Glen does live advertisements for them! OH NO! MAKING MONEY! How evil!

They even -gated the issue: "Beck's gold-gate".

I listen to him occasionally, and have noticed his transitions into gold advertisements. Hard to tell where the program stops and the advertisement begins. Doesn't matter to me. But the leftists hate advertising, commerce, profits.

So is this another attempt by the media to discredit the entire liberty movement? Try to discredit Beck, gold and capitalism in one shot? Seems to me they are getting desperate.

Beck promotes the idea of stealing money from citizens to pay soldiers to kill people in foreign lands that have posed no threat to any of us. Tell me how that is the slightest bit pro-liberty or why I should give a rats ass what happens to Beck and his reputation?

[Liberty Star]

This has nothing to do with gold, Beck is their target because he called Obama a racist.
Given that Beck's a neocon plant, let them have at it, why we should get in the middle of a lovers quarrel.

[Deborah K]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=222043

[MN Patriot]

beck is a trainwreck. no reason to defend him. let him rise or fall on his own bs. he sells crap nothing more.

Yeah, a train wreck on track to make $18 million this year.

Seems to me he is doing a pretty good job selling freedom. I don't understand the contempt people have for him here in this forum. I don't expect him to be worshiped like an idol, but to at least be treated like a competent spokesman for freedom.

I think he is much better than Hannity, Levin and Savage. Stooges all. Limbaugh supports freedom and opposes socialism and criticizes the Republicans often.

What do people think about Jason Lewis? He started here in Minnesota and has gone national since guest hosting on Rush's show. Jason isn't afraid to call himself a libertarian, and is very critical of the Republican Party.

[BlackTerrel]

This is apparently a Beck quote according to the article:


When the system eventually collapses, and the government comes with guns and confiscates, you know, everything in your home and all your possessions, and then you fight off the raving mad cannibalistic crowds that Ted Turner talked about, don't come crying to me. I told you: get gold.

What a nut job. "When the government comes with guns and takes all your possessions you better have gold". Bit of a fear mongerer. I also question how gold is going to help you when the government comes with guns to attack you - better at that point to have a gun I imagine.

[Deborah K]

Yeah, a train wreck on track to make $18 million this year.

Seems to me he is doing a pretty good job selling freedom. I don't understand the contempt people have for him here in this forum. I don't expect him to be worshiped like an idol, but to at least be treated like a competent spokesman for freedom.

I think he is much better than Hannity, Levin and Savage. Stooges all. Limbaugh supports freedom and opposes socialism and criticizes the Republicans often.

What do people think about Jason Lewis? He started here in Minnesota and has gone national since guest hosting on Rush's show. Jason isn't afraid to call himself a libertarian, and is very critical of the Republican Party.

Many on this forum don't forgive him for his attacks on Ron Paul in '07. They don't watch him so they don't know about any of the scandals he's exposed in this administration, or the "cross pollination" between the progressive socialist movement leaders and the appointees in the W.H.

The man deserves credit, even if the purists on this forum don't agree.

[Deborah K]

This is apparently a Beck quote according to the article:



What a nut job. "When the government comes with guns and takes all your possessions you better have gold". Bit of a fear mongerer. I also question how gold is going to help you when the government comes with guns to attack you - better at that point to have a gun I imagine.

Geezus, he's a satirist for gawd's sake. :rolleyes: He fuses entertainment with information. He's similar to Jon Stewart except he has a better venue and time slot.

[MN Patriot]

This has nothing to do with gold, Beck is their target because he called Obama a racist.
Given that Beck's a neocon plant, let them have at it, why we should get in the middle of a lovers quarrel.

How effective is the Establishment's plant when he sells pro-liberty books like hot cakes? Has the second most listened to radio program? And manages to persuade thousands (millions?) of people to join the Tea Party Movement?
...or... :eek:
Maybe, just maybe, all the Glenn Beck haters are plants who are designed to undermine the liberty movement.

[MN Patriot]

Beck promotes the idea of stealing money from citizens to pay soldiers to kill people in foreign lands that have posed no threat to any of us. Tell me how that is the slightest bit pro-liberty or why I should give a rats ass what happens to Beck and his reputation?

Because he is 90% pro liberty in all his other views.

Obviously the guy is on the right track, maybe he can be persuaded about his overseas imperialism.

Libertarians are great at undermining their own freedom movement by condemning people who aren't 100% pure. When I ran for Congress for the LP a libertarian criticized me for sending out mailings using the USPS. Some people are never happy.

[Deborah K]

Because he is 90% pro liberty in all his other views.

Obviously the guy is on the right track, maybe he can be persuaded about his overseas imperialism.

Libertarians are great at undermining their own freedom movement by condemning people who aren't 100% pure. When I ran for Congress for the LP a libertarian criticized me for sending out mailings using the USPS. Some people are never happy.

I like Beck because he makes it easier to bring people into the freedom movement. I call him 'the gateway drug'. Does that mean I agree with everything he says or believe? Ah hell no!

[Liberty Star]

How effective is the Establishment's plant when he sells pro-liberty books like hot cakes? Has the second most listened to radio program? And manages to persuade thousands (millions?) of people to join the Tea Party Movement?
...or... :eek:
Maybe, just maybe, all the Glenn Beck haters are plants who are designed to undermine the liberty movement.

I thought howard stern used to have more listeners than him and Bush/Cheney had more supporters than Ron Paul.. and does that prove popularity is a good thing?

Getting ratings in our media is not a big factor, Pam Anderson with holed bra would have more viewers than Beck crying on air. We should not judge people based on etheir ratings but by their ideas and character. How can any liberterain support a guy who:

- pimps for bush/cheney and supports torture
- supports PA
-supports bailouts , and says we need bigger bailouts than offered
- calls Iraq exit worst mistake since slavery
- calls Iraqi freedom bloodshed good for Iraqi children



Beck is nothing more than a demagogue and an opportunist pimp for whoever is willing to pay him for his services.

[Deborah K]

I thought howard stern used to have more listeners than him and Bush/Cheney had more supporters than Ron Paul.. and does that prove popularity is a good thing?

Getting ratings in our media is not a big factor, Pam Anderson with holed bra would have more viewers than Beck crying on air. We should not judge people based on etheir ratings but by their ideas and character. How can any liberterain support a guy who:

- pimps for bush/cheney and supports torture
- supports PA
-supports bailouts , and says we need bigger bailouts than offered
- calls Iraq exit worst mistake since slavery
- calls Iraqi freedom bloodshed good for Iraqi children



Beck is nothing more than a demagogue and an opportunist pimp for whoever is willing to pay him for his services.

Your bullets prove you haven't watched him in at least a year and a half. Ever since the RonPaulRevolution got to him, he's changed his views on everything you quoted above. YES! I think we and Ron Paul are the ones who changed him.

People do change. I'm sure you weren't born with the beliefs you have now.

[Liberty Star]

Your bullets prove you haven't watched him in at least a year and a half. Ever since the RonPaulRevolution got to him, he's changed his views on everything you quoted above. YES! I think we and Ron Paul are the ones who changed him.

People do change. I'm sure you weren't born with the beliefs you have now.

Your statement implies that he has changed his views I quoted, is there any evidence that he has?

YT vids of his show from few weeks ago show that he's still living in Michael Bolton's pants of sisterhood. We should be prepared to change our minds when convincing evidence is presented, only argument I hear is about his ratings but no video showing hois his flip flop and opposition of his previous views. Can we have some video clips? Just last week he was bashing Obama for not sending more troops to Afghanistan and not supporting Israeli occupation. He's a finest neocon as always or rest of us are missing something?

[paulitics]

Many on this forum don't forgive him for his attacks on Ron Paul in '07. They don't watch him so they don't know about any of the scandals he's exposed in this administration, or the "cross pollination" between the progressive socialist movement leaders and the appointees in the W.H.
iThe man deserves credit, even if the purists on this forum don't agree.

I give credit where credit is due. Beck has been on fire exposing Van Jones, Anita Hill, Acorn, etc.

I don't trust Beck, and call him out when he becomes an imbecile, but no-one has been better than Beck at exposing the progressive wing of the globalists' agenda. Of course the neocons are the "conservative" alternative to the progressives in this false paradigm, but in actuality they serve the same master and share the same goals. Beck refuses to expose them.

The Bush, Palin, Cheney wing headed by Bill Kristal is just as evil, and unfortuantely Beck is either manipulated by these people, or is one of them. He more than likely is controlled opposition based on his logical inconsistancies that contradict the fundamentals of libertarian principles, even though he is becoming less fanatical in his neocon support.

[Deborah K]

Your statement implies that he has changed his views I quoted, is there any evidence that he has?



Since you are making the claim, the onus is on you to prove he still has those views listed in your bullets.


Just last week he was bashing Obama for not sending more troops to Afghanistan and not supporting Israeli occupation. He's a finest neocon as always or rest of us are missing something

I don't like his hawkish views either, but he has stated that if we're not there to win, bring them home.

[MN Patriot]

I thought howard stern used to have more listeners than him and Bush/Cheney had more supporters than Ron Paul.. and does that prove popularity is a good thing?

Getting ratings in our media is not a big factor, Pam Anderson with holed bra would have more viewers than Beck crying on air. We should not judge people based on etheir ratings but by their ideas and character. How can any liberterain support a guy who:

- pimps for bush/cheney and supports torture
- supports PA
-supports bailouts , and says we need bigger bailouts than offered
- calls Iraq exit worst mistake since slavery
- calls Iraqi freedom bloodshed good for Iraqi children


Popularity is a good thing when his message is overwhelmingly pro-liberty. Look on the flip side, what if some liberal, like Michael Moore or Al Franken had a radio show as popular as his? Would that further the cause for liberty?

Yeah, Beck is caught up in the neo-con madness of nation building. Set him straight. I'm glad his books are selling and people are hearing something different than how great government is.


Beck is nothing more than a demagogue and an opportunist pimp for whoever is willing to pay him for his services.

Sounds kind of like a progressive. How can a libertarian say such things?

[RM918]

Your bullets prove you haven't watched him in at least a year and a half. Ever since the RonPaulRevolution got to him, he's changed his views on everything you quoted above. YES! I think we and Ron Paul are the ones who changed him.

People do change. I'm sure you weren't born with the beliefs you have now.

Yet he won't bring up Ron Paul, ever, aside from the times he's on his show once in a blue moon. And who does he support for the solution? Sarah Palin, an unrepentant neocon. With this sort of glaring inconsistency in his behavior, I can only conclude he's just throwing us bones every once in awhile to get us to listen to him about Palin. And very, very sadly, it's working because of how desperate people are for recognition.

[Deborah K]

I give credit where credit is due. Beck has been on fire exposing Van Jones, Anita Hill, Acorn, etc.

I don't trust Beck, and call him out when he becomes an imbecile, but no-one has been better than Beck at exposing the progressive wing of the globalists' agenda. Of course the neocons are the "conservative" alternative to the progressives in this false paradigm, but in actuality they serve the same master and share the same goals. Beck refuses to expose them.

The Bush, Palin, Cheney wing headed by Bill Kristal is just as evil, and unfortuantely Beck is either manipulated by these people, or is one of them. He more than likely is controlled opposition based on his logical inconsistancies that contradict the fundamentals of libertarian principles, even though he is becoming less fanatical in his neocon support.

I disagree. I think he is a work in progress. And it is up to us to continue to send everything we have to enlighten him further.

[BlackTerrel]

Geezus, he's a satirist for gawd's sake. :rolleyes: He fuses entertainment with information. He's similar to Jon Stewart except he has a better venue and time slot.

Fair enough. I don't watch him so I couldn't see the context. I used a quote from the article. My mistake.

[Deborah K]

Yet he won't bring up Ron Paul, ever, aside from the times he's on his show once in a blue moon. And who does he support for the solution? Sarah Palin, an unrepentant neocon. With this sort of glaring inconsistency in his behavior, I can only conclude he's just throwing us bones every once in awhile to get us to listen to him about Palin. And very, very sadly, it's working because of how desperate people are for recognition.

I watch him, and other than defending her for all the media villification she's suffered, I don't recall him claiming she is the end-all-be-all.

How many shows has Glenn Beck done that were devoted in their entirety to one person? Very few, and none were Congressmen:

YouTube - Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Part 1 12/18/2007 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pme20JHPkwk)

[Deborah K]

Fair enough. I don't watch him so I couldn't see the context. I used a quote from the article. My mistake.

No worries. ;)

[RM918]

I disagree. I think he is a work in progress. And it is up to us to continue to send everything we have to enlighten him further.

The guy deals with Judge Napolitano on a regular basis, I have no doubt Beck is very aware of the alternatives and simply chooses to stick with the supposedly resurgent conservative 'populism' which is doing nothing but largely parroting Bush's policies.

I suppose, it's 'possible' he's merely in a 'transitional' period where he's not sure enough to sign on full force, but so long as he keeps pushing Palin it just looks more and more like lock-and-stock manipulation while saying things people want to hear. This sudden brand on anti-government sentiments barreled right out of the gate when Obama took office, and I cannot simply wave that off as 'coincidence' just because Beck's saying things I occasionally agree with.

What reason is there to believe he won't keep pushing Palin or some other personality-driven candidate without any policy differences from the old guard, and that his sudden disdain for government will vanish into defending the venerable new Republican administration from those pussy liberals? We've seen that happen, time and time again, every time power switches colors. Why would it suddenly go away, and why be so eager to believe it would?

[purplechoe]

Yes, Glenn Beck IS manufactured just like the media...

If anyone is familiar with history, the solidarity (solidarnosc) movement was growing in Poland in the late 70's. As it turns out, the leader of that movement Lech Walesa, it has come out recently that he was working with the national security department all along.

PS. Has anyone ever heard of 1984? Bunch of newbies on this site that have been registered for over a year with over a thousand posts but still don't know jack about squat!

[Deborah K]

The guy deals with Judge Napolitano on a regular basis, I have no doubt Beck is very aware of the alternatives and simply chooses to stick with the supposedly resurgent conservative 'populism' which is doing nothing but largely parroting Bush's policies.

I suppose, it's 'possible' he's merely in a 'transitional' period where he's not sure enough to sign on full force, but so long as he keeps pushing Palin it just looks more and more like lock-and-stock manipulation while saying things people want to hear. This sudden brand on anti-government sentiments barreled right out of the gate when Obama took office, and I cannot simply wave that off as 'coincidence' just because Beck's saying things I occasionally agree with.

What reason is there to believe he won't keep pushing Palin or some other personality-driven candidate without any policy differences from the old guard, and that his sudden disdain for government will vanish into defending the venerable new Republican administration from those pussy liberals? We've seen that happen, time and time again, every time power switches colors. Why would it suddenly go away, and why be so eager to believe it would?

I'm not getting why you think he's pushing Palin :confused:. I watch him pretty regularly and he doesn't talk about her very often at all. He seems to be on a mission to expose all the corrupt officials that the Obama adiministration has been hiring.

[Liberty Star]

Since you are making the claim, the onus is on you to prove he still has those views listed in your bullets.



I don't like his hawkish views either, but he has stated that if we're not there to win, bring them home.

Check out the vids in post #1 and #3 in this thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=207447


You're being too generous, Ron Paul did not change Beck as much as we may wish to think that was the case, "Obama treatment" did the trick and changed him. Bring back Bush or Palin, he would go back to what he always has been.

[Deborah K]

Check out the vids in post #1 and #3 in this thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=207447




Vid 1 quotes him from Sept. '08 and Vid 2 quotes him from 2006.


You're being too generous, Ron Paul did not change Beck as much as we may wish to think that was the case, "Obama treatment" did the trick and changed him. Bring back Bush or Palin, he would go back to what he always has been.

I disagree. Otherwise, why would he have Dr. Paul on his show for an entire hour? If you haven't seen the interview, I recommend it. It's quite good.

[RM918]

I'm not getting why you think he's pushing Palin :confused:. I watch him pretty regularly and he doesn't talk about her very often at all. He seems to be on a mission to expose all the corrupt officials that the Obama adiministration has been hiring.

I watch occasionally and he brings her up on an often enough basis to be considered significant. Can I state any solid proof of his intentions? No. But neither can you. No-one can, but as it stands with the circumstances arrayed before me I can't possibly give him any benefit of the doubt, considering how fortuitous all of his stance switching has been. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he shows he can take on someone or something that would fly in the face of all the Palins in the GOP, and not just liberals or moderate GOPers.

Also, that interview was 2 years ago. Mentions of either of the Pauls, Kokesh or Schiff, or even any of their causes or points of view are completely vacant when he's focusing on attacking the Dems or agreeing with the Republicans.

[Liberty Star]

Check out the vids in post #1 and #3 in this thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=207447


You're being too generous, Ron Paul did not change Beck as much as we may wish to think that was the case, "Obama treatment" did the trick and changed him. Bring back Bush or Palin, he would go back to what he always has been.

Vid 1 quotes him from Sept. '08 and Vid 2 quotes him from 2006.



I disagree. Otherwise, why would he have Dr. Paul on his show for an entire hour? If you haven't seen the interview, I recommend it. It's quite good.

There are some old vids too, but did you see the second video in first post:

YouTube - Glenn Beck Clips 09-23-09
Seg5- John Bolton: Obama Speech to UN Most Radical Ever by Pres.

It must be that Ron Paul message works for him when Obama is in office but he called him a "cook" when Bush/Cheney were in office. Could be just timing.

[MN Patriot]

Yes, Glenn Beck IS manufactured just like the media...

If anyone is familiar with history, the solidarity (solidarnosc) movement was growing in Poland in the late 70's. As it turns out, the leader of that movement Lech Walesa, it has come out recently that he was working with the national security department all along.

PS. Has anyone ever heard of 1984? Bunch of newbies on this site that have been registered for over a year with over a thousand posts but still don't know jack about squat!

Goldstein is the manufactured menace in 1984 who people are trained to hate. Kind of like the liberal media today brainwashing people to hate right wing talk radio. And of course the radio hosts are part of the Establishment, so they will never suggest anything truly liberating like ending the income tax or Federal Reserve.

Many parallels between 1984 and today. The lottery is one that I notice all the time. Give the hopeless proles some glimmer of hope that they will win the lottery.

If Lech had been a true threat, he would have been liquidated.

[Deborah K]

There are some old vids too, but did you see the second video in first post:

YouTube - Glenn Beck Clips 09-23-09
Seg5- John Bolton: Obama Speech to UN Most Radical Ever by Pres.

It must be that Ron Paul message works for him when Obama is in office but he called him a "cook" when Bush/Cheney were in office. Could be just timing.

Again, I don't agree with his hawkish views. There are other things I don't agree with either, but I tend to think that when Beck called Dr. Paul a kook, or 'mayor of crazy town' to be precise, he did it before he really researched him. That was bad and wrong. Then, the RP Zealots responded by trying to run his tour bus off the road one day. Shortly after that he had a show with that loser creep Horowitz and together they proclaimed that RP supporters were terrorists.

At that point, I, who had been watching him for about a year by then (this was in 07) began emailing him regularly - like daily for months - with other RP supporters and explaining this movement to him, and sending clips and writings from Dr. Paul. Then he had his one hour show with him, and he seems to have changed his perspective on many things. I am NOT claiming credit! It took a LOT of us writing and calling. But I've been watching him since long before the campaign even started and I've seen first hand the transition.

Many on this forum make accusations and prognostications without any evidence i.e. he's controlled opposition, psy-ops, blah blah. To each his own. I've been there from the beginning.

[paulpwns]

Regardless, I still think he is a douche-nozzle.

[Deborah K]

I watch occasionally and he brings her up on an often enough basis to be considered significant. Can I state any solid proof of his intentions? No. But neither can you. No-one can, but as it stands with the circumstances arrayed before me I can't possibly give him any benefit of the doubt, considering how fortuitous all of his stance switching has been. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he shows he can take on someone or something that would fly in the face of all the Palins in the GOP, and not just liberals or moderate GOPers.

Also, that interview was 2 years ago. Mentions of either of the Pauls, Kokesh or Schiff, or even any of their causes or points of view are completely vacant when he's focusing on attacking the Dems or agreeing with the Republicans.

When does he agree with the republicans? He seems pretty fed up with both parties and frankly I'm a bit concerned that he's going to push for a third party. :rolleyes: (My wish would be that there were no parties, only platforms.)

As to the interview, yes, two years ago, so what? He's never had Kokesh on but he's had Rand and Schiff on, and he had Schiff on while he was still at HNN. He's not going to push candidates, why would you expect that he would? It seems reasonable that he would not want to venture into that quagmire since it is clearly a no-win. As to espousing their views, which are pretty much in line with RP's, if you watched regularly, you would notice that he has been doing just that.

[cpike]

I don't watch his show at all unless someone links a video to him, but his radio show is on here in Minnesota at about the time I head off to bed. So I'll listen to him while reading up on my latest political/economic book. I think he's a work in progress and is slowly coming around.

I never listened to non-sports talk radio until shortly before the conventions last year, where I got really interested combined with my American history professor talking about the start of our country and I started reading up on things. I'd listen to Hannity/Rush/Jason Lewis whenever I was home and not doing much, or out on the roads, but Beck would be on at night and I seemed to like him. Prior I thought Paul seems cool, but I would get hung up on the war issue. Beck really paralleled me for a while, not exactly but close. I've been pro-civil liberty just naturally, but never realized how much the foreign policy is really big government just like SS and Medicare and all the bailouts and stimulus was. Beck would talk about how he would in an ideal world legalize all drugs, even the hardest, but didnt' think the country could handle it, I respected him for at least being open though I think it should be legalized regardless on how the general public would handle it. When I first heard of the Bank bailouts I was confused, something didn't sit well with me. I considered myself one of the small amount of Bush supporters, but It didn't make sense spending all that money. I didn't know whether to support it or not. I think a lot of GOP's were the same way. I think it goes to show how uneducated most politicians really are. I think Beck supported it, because he didn't really know what to think.

After the auto bailouts were unilaterally done by the Bush Administration and when Cheney came out and condemned congress for making the administration act, I thought how could they do that if congress doesn't pass it. That was the final straw for me and I finally turned my back on Bush and the GOP I finally woke up. I wrote a rant piece and sent it off to my co-worker and asked him if I had the right idea, he agreed with most all I said and pointed me towards Paul's book the Revolution and C4L. After doing some more homework and noticing the Judge in the Libertarian movement I changed my neo-con stance and fit firmly into the Libertarian philosophy.

I've gone way off topic here and became really just my waking up story, but I think Beck helped me towards Liberty. Sure we stumbled along the way, but it's nice to hear fro time to time briefly, when Beck would say to his producer, do we really need to be in Germany? I think he's at least moving this direction, just a bit more slowly, or maybe perhaps is strategically bending the neo-cons towards this idea and doesn't want to alienate his neo-con listeners right away (which he should just say what he believes). Now when I listen to especially Hannity and sometimes Rush (never listen to either much at all now) I just get frustrated, much as all of you here have for a while. Were I think Beck stands on Iraq and Afganistan policy is either get in and get out in a 6 month period or don't go at all.

I wouldn't completely blow off Beck, he is expanding the movement, I wouldn't be here if not for him, he at least got me reading. I don't agree with him on some things, but throw the arrows and Hannity and his man-crush on Bush and the GOP.

Side Note: Someone mentioned Jason Lewis, I like him a lot, he's similar to Beck, but less doom and gloom, and more intellectual. They are the only two political talk hosts I can go through a show without shouting at the radio.

[MN Patriot]

I reiterate my initial point: the media manufactured scandal about Beck advertising gold.

He may or may not be a creation of the Establishment intended to give the Freedom Brotherhood some hope of resistance. But the attempt by the media to smear him is so blatantly obvious, I would think their bias would wake people up if they are paying attention.

[MN Patriot]

I don't watch his show at all unless someone links a video to him, but his radio show is on here in Minnesota at about the time I head off to bed. So I'll listen to him while reading up on my latest political/economic book. I think he's a work in progress and is slowly coming around.

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I wouldn't completely blow off Beck, he is expanding the movement, I wouldn't be here if not for him, he at least got me reading. I don't agree with him on some things, but throw the arrows and Hannity and his man-crush on Bush and the GOP.

Side Note: Someone mentioned Jason Lewis, I like him a lot, he's similar to Beck, but less doom and gloom, and more intellectual. They are the only two political talk hosts I can go through a show without shouting at the radio.

Welcome to the Freedom Brotherhood. (just a reference to 1984)

You prove my point that Beck is helping to get people to wake up. Jason Lewis can be gloomy and doomy from time to time. He tries to verbally shake people into action, although he does give people any concrete ideas of what to do other than completely reject the Democrats and perhaps retake the Republican Party.