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Todd
12-08-2009, 12:36 PM
This thread (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=221964)got me thinking about this old article (http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm).


What Makes Mainstream Media Mainstream
Noam Chomsky


Part of the reason why I write about the media is because I am interested in the whole intellectual culture, and the part of it that is easiest to study is the media. It comes out every day. You can do a systematic investigation. You can compare yesterday’s version to today’s version. There is a lot of evidence about what’s played up and what isn’t and the way things are structured.
My impression is the media aren’t very different from scholarship or from, say, journals of intellectual opinion—there are some extra constraints—but it’s not radically different. They interact, which is why people go up and back quite easily among them.

You look at the media, or at any institution you want to understand. You ask questions about its internal institutional structure. You want to know something about their setting in the broader society. How do they relate to other systems of power and authority? If you’re lucky, there is an internal record from leading people in the information system which tells you what they are up to (it is sort of a doctrinal system). That doesn’t mean the public relations handouts but what they say to each other about what they are up to. There is quite a lot of interesting documentation.

Those are three major sources of information about the nature of the media. You want to study them the way, say, a scientist would study some complex molecule or something. You take a look at the structure and then make some hypothesis based on the structure as to what the media product is likely to look like. Then you investigate the media product and see how well it conforms to the hypotheses. Virtually all work in media analysis is this last part—trying to study carefully just what the media product is and whether it conforms to obvious assumptions about the nature and structure of the media.

Well, what do you find? First of all, you find that there are different media which do different things, like the entertainment/Hollywood, soap operas, and so on, or even most of the newspapers in the country (the overwhelming majority of them). They are directing the mass audience.

There is another sector of the media, the elite media, sometimes called the agenda-setting media because they are the ones with the big resources, they set the framework in which everyone else operates. The New York Times and CBS, that kind of thing. Their audience is mostly privileged people. The people who read the New York Times—people who are wealthy or part of what is sometimes called the political class—they are actually involved in the political system in an ongoing fashion. They are basically managers of one sort or another. They can be political managers, business managers (like corporate executives or that sort of thing), doctoral managers (like university professors), or other journalists who are involved in organizing the way people think and look at things.

The elite media set a framework within which others operate. If you are watching the Associated Press, who grind out a constant flow of news, in the mid-afternoon it breaks and there is something that comes along every day that says "Notice to Editors: Tomorrow’s New York Times is going to have the following stories on the front page." The point of that is, if you’re an editor of a newspaper in Dayton, Ohio and you don’t have the resources to figure out what the news is, or you don’t want to think about it anyway, this tells you what the news is. These are the stories for the quarter page that you are going to devote to something other than local affairs or diverting your audience. These are the stories that you put there because that’s what the New York Times tells us is what you’re supposed to care about tomorrow. If you are an editor in Dayton, Ohio, you would sort of have to do that, because you don’t have much else in the way of resources. If you get off line, if you’re producing stories that the big press doesn’t like, you’ll hear about it pretty soon. In fact, what just happened at San Jose Mercury News is a dramatic example of this. So there are a lot of ways in which power plays can drive you right back into line if you move out. If you try to break the mold, you’re not going to last long. That framework works pretty well, and it is understandable that it is just a reflection of obvious power structures.

The real mass media are basically trying to divert people. Let them do something else, but don’t bother us (us being the people who run the show). Let them get interested in professional sports, for example. Let everybody be crazed about professional sports or sex scandals or the personalities and their problems or something like that. Anything, as long as it isn’t serious. Of course, the serious stuff is for the big guys. "We" take care of that.

What are the elite media, the agenda-setting ones? The New York Times and CBS, for example. Well, first of all, they are major, very profitable, corporations. Furthermore, most of them are either linked to, or outright owned by, much bigger corporations, like General Electric, Westinghouse, and so on. They are way up at the top of the power structure of the private economy which is a very tyrannical structure. Corporations are basically tyrannies, hierarchic, controled from above. If you don’t like what they are doing you get out. The major media are just part of that system.

What about their institutional setting? Well, that’s more or less the same. What they interact with and relate to is other major power centers—the government, other corporations, or the universities. Because the media are a doctrinal system they interact closely with the universities. Say you are a reporter writing a story on Southeast Asia or Africa, or something like that. You’re supposed to go over to the big university and find an expert who will tell you what to write, or else go to one of the foundations, like Brookings Institute or American Enterprise Institute and they will give you the words to say. These outside institutions are very similar to the media.

The universities, for example, are not independent institutions. There may be independent people scattered around in them but that is true of the media as well. And it’s generally true of corporations. It’s true of Fascist states, for that matter. But the institution itself is parasitic. It’s dependent on outside sources of support and those sources of support, such as private wealth, big corporations with grants, and the government (which is so closely interlinked with corporate power you can barely distinguish them), they are essentially what the universities are in the middle of. People within them, who don’t adjust to that structure, who don’t accept it and internalize it (you can’t really work with it unless you internalize it, and believe it); people who don’t do that are likely to be weeded out along the way, starting from kindergarten, all the way up. There are all sorts of filtering devices to get rid of people who are a pain in the neck and think independently. Those of you who have been through college know that the educational system is very highly geared to rewarding conformity and obedience; if you don’t do that, you are a troublemaker. So, it is kind of a filtering device which ends up with people who really honestly (they aren’t lying) internalize the framework of belief and attitudes of the surrounding power system in the society. The elite institutions like, say, Harvard and Princeton and the small upscale colleges, for example, are very much geared to socialization. If you go through a place like Harvard, most of what goes on there is teaching manners; how to behave like a member of the upper classes, how to think the right thoughts, and so on.

If you’ve read George Orwell’s Animal Farm which he wrote in the mid-1940s, it was a satire on the Soviet Union, a totalitarian state. It was a big hit. Everybody loved it. Turns out he wrote an introduction to Animal Farm which was suppressed. It only appeared 30 years later. Someone had found it in his papers. The introduction to Animal Farm was about "Literary Censorship in England" and what it says is that obviously this book is ridiculing the Soviet Union and its totalitarian structure. But he said England is not all that different. We don’t have the KGB on our neck, but the end result comes out pretty much the same. People who have independent ideas or who think the wrong kind of thoughts are cut out.

He talks a little, only two sentences, about the institutional structure. He asks, why does this happen? Well, one, because the press is owned by wealthy people who only want certain things to reach the public. The other thing he says is that when you go through the elite education system, when you go through the proper schools in Oxford, you learn that there are certain things it’s not proper to say and there are certain thoughts that are not proper to have. That is the socialization role of elite institutions and if you don’t adapt to that, you’re usually out. Those two sentences more or less tell the story.

When you critique the media and you say, look, here is what Anthony Lewis or somebody else is writing, they get very angry. They say, quite correctly, "nobody ever tells me what to write. I write anything I like. All this business about pressures and constraints is nonsense because I’m never under any pressure." Which is completely true, but the point is that they wouldn’t be there unless they had already demonstrated that nobody has to tell them what to write because they are going say the right thing. If they had started off at the Metro desk, or something, and had pursued the wrong kind of stories, they never would have made it to the positions where they can now say anything they like. The same is mostly true of university faculty in the more ideological disciplines. They have been through the socialization system ..... (cont..at link.)

Reason
12-08-2009, 01:51 PM
Noam Chomsky is another issue specific ally that we have.

He has done a lot of awesome work in exposing how the "mainstream media" is a joke.

Todd
12-09-2009, 01:30 PM
Noam Chomsky is another issue specific ally that we have.

He has done a lot of awesome work in exposing how the "mainstream media" is a joke.

Normally I wouldn't quote him, (I think he's a obfuscating socialist) but this is just too powerful a statement on the media. It really put it in perspective for me.

paulpwns
12-09-2009, 01:33 PM
Personally I love Chomsky.
He should be viewed as an ally.

I never have seen so many opinions backed by rational facts, and general knowledge of history.

Austrian Econ Disciple
12-09-2009, 10:15 PM
Personally I love Chomsky.
He should be viewed as an ally.

I never have seen so many opinions backed by rational facts, and general knowledge of history.

On issues of war and other such issues Noam is indeed an ally. However, on most other issues he is an enemy, a staunch devout enemy. He is, contrarily the direct opponent of Murray Rothbard. Rothbard being the flagship of Anarcho-Capitalism, and Noam being the flagship for Anarcho-Syndicalism.

One being for liberty, one being mostly against liberty. It is akin to the Jefferson-Adams relationship.

To this article it is very good, and very well written. To wit, I agree with Noam on this particular issue. However, since he does not believe in free-markets, private property, or other such issues he fails to tie in how our current structure is a direct result of the State and it's institutions. The media corporations are in bed with the politicians. It is again, the entrenchment of Mercantilism. The media says things that are favorable and indoctrinate the population to the establishment, and the establishment rewards the corporations with privilege, monetary levy, and all sorts of other benefits via large tax breaks, etc. So, yes, we do indeed as with all Totalitarian States have a media that is for all purposes a wing of the State. It is no different than Pravda, except today our Pravda takes the form of Fox, CBS, NBC, CNN, ABC, etc.

Why do you think they were thinking of a Newspaper bailout? You help me, I help you. No, Noam would never tie this sort of rational, logical, truth to his articles. He despises the free-market, liberty, etc. and all it stands for. So, I caution those who would seek out Noam as an ally on all but the issue of War.

For example: "Furthermore, most of them are either linked to, or outright owned by, much bigger corporations, like General Electric, Westinghouse, and so on. They are way up at the top of the power structure of the private economy which is a very tyrannical structure. Corporations are basically tyrannies, hierarchic, controled from above. If you don’t like what they are doing you get out. The major media are just part of that system."

This is a gross mischaracterization. GE, Westinghouse, etc. are not part of the private economy. They get subsidy, privilege, etc. granted to them by the State. They influence policy, enact policy through money exchange (Bribe, what is called -- Lobbying), and strike out competition via the State (Anti-trust, Clayton/Sherman, etc.). They are vestiges of the State! They are not private, much like say, your local Mom and Pop store is, or say, your local farmers market.

You can see from this plain paragraph how much he abhorrs the free-market. Because in a free-market, and private enterprise/property, there are indeed "hierarchies". The owner is indeed, above the worker. This comes from the seething animosity towards private entreprenuership that Noam espouses. There is indeed, nothing wrong with this structure (Owner - Manager - Worker), and it is indeed not tyranny. There is indeed, nothing wrong with a Corporation from the basis of it's organizational structure. Where I, and many of my libertarian co-horts deny Corporations are on the basis of instituting human rights to inanimate objects -- Corporation. If a business wants Corporate structure, then by all means do so! But, you will adhere to, and abide by all property rights. You pollute, you pay for your externalities -- In the free-market. You want to drive your competitors out -- Offer higher quality products at lower prices; In the free-market. You want to sell stocks, and other such measures, by all means do so. This is where Noam is confused, even though he acts as if he refutes Rothbard. He uses State devices in his arguements against a Stateless society. Anyways, read Noam keeping in mind Murray. Noam can be a very dangerous ideologue for socialism/syndicalism.

It is also ironic, that to which he so seeks to admonish his fellow universities, yet they lavish award after award upon him. Why do you think this is? Did you see Murray EVER, being granted any such award? What about Mises? These guys had to go to second-rate universities just to get paying jobs, and in Mises case took an UNPAID position at NYU just to teach! What a hypocrit. You will know the true anti-establishment liberty lovers by who ignores them. Seemed quite ironic to me, ha!

Todd
12-10-2009, 11:53 AM
On issues of war and other such issues Noam is indeed an ally. However, on most other issues he is an enemy, a staunch devout enemy. He is, contrarily the direct opponent of Murray Rothbard. Rothbard being the flagship of Anarcho-Capitalism, and Noam being the flagship for Anarcho-Syndicalism.


Anarcho-syndicalism is a branch of anarchism which focuses on the labour movement.[1] Syndicalisme is a French word, ultimately derived from the Greek, meaning "trade unionism" – hence, the "syndicalism" qualification. Syndicalism is an alternative co-operative economic system. Anarcho-syndicalists view it as a potential force for revolutionary social change, replacing capitalism and the State with a new society democratically self-managed by workers. Anarcho-syndicalists seek to abolish the wage system, regarding it as "wage slavery," and state or private ownership of the means of production, which they believe lead to class divisions. Not all seek to abolish money per se. Ralph Chaplin states that "the ultimate aim of the General Strike as regards wages is to give to each producer the full product of his labor. The demand for better wages becomes revolutionary only when it is coupled with the demand that the exploitation of labor must cease.

very interesting. I always knew about the anarchist part. What I couldn't pin down was where he saw socialism fitting into that. This explains it now.