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Bruno
12-08-2009, 09:42 AM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/12/sarah-palin-barack-obama-poll-gap-narrows.html

Lordy, Lordy, Lordy, look what the pollsters just brought in.

A pair of new surveys revealing that Democrat President Obama is still declining and has hit a new low in job approval among Americans just 56 weeks after they elected him with a decided margin.

And -- wait for it -- Republican Sarah Palin is successfully selling a whole lot more than books out there on the road. Even among those not lining up in 10-degree weather to catch a glimpse of pretty much the only political celebrity the GOP has these days.

First, el jefe. Facing double-digit unemployment, rising spending, deficits and Afghan war casualties plus a keystone but stalled healthcare reform effort that caused a rare Sunday presidential visit to Capitol Hill, Obama recently fell below 50% job approval for the first time.

Then, last week's deft dance of rhetoric over sending reinforcements to Afghanistan but, on the other foot, bringing them home quickly maybe gave him a brief boost. That, however, collapsed with equal rapidity.

Obama's new Gallup Poll job approval number is 47%. Last month it was 53%.

Regular Ticket readers will recall how in this space in late November we pointed out that Obama's closely-watched job approval slide was coinciding with Palin's little-noticed rise in favorability. And it appeared they might cross somewhere in the 40s.

Well, ex-Sen. Obama, meet ex-Gov. Palin.

The new CNN/Opinion Research Poll shows Palin now at 46% favorable, just one point below her fellow basketball fan.

(The same poll, btw, has bad news for Dick Cheney-haters; the outspoken former VP has climbed out of the 29% basement back up to 39% now. How do you suppose he's done that without a new book? But that's another story.)

Not that either Palin or Obama will admit caring about such trivial things as disparate political polls....


...1,071 days before the 2012 election, when Republicans will have the concept of change on their side. Although Obama's camp is already using the looming Palin pall as a fundraising tool. Never let any potential threat go unmonetized.

The new numbers seem to indicate that despite oft-cited predictions about the dire impact of Palin resigning her Alaska governor's job last July, a lot of people who don't live in Alaska (and, come to think of it, most people don't live in Alaska) don't seem to care. She wasn't their governor then and she still isn't.

Palin's low favorable poll point of 39% came right after the mid-summer resignation and she's been slowly climbing since, fueled by media attention fueled by eager reader response over her book contents, her tour and the spontaneous outpouring of support at her carefully-calculated bus stops along the way -- 31 appearances in 25 states, many of them politically crucial.

Imagine what critics would be saying now if Palin was neglecting her elected Juneau job to sell books in the lower 48 and talk to an elite club of Washington journalists, if there is such a thing.

The view, Palin told the capitol's Gridiron Club Saturday night in her self-deprecating and at times pointed remarks (full text right here), is a whole lot better from inside the bus than from under it.


Palin critics -- and, by golly, there still are some, believe it or not -- say that she's a polarizing political figure.

And they're dead-on correct: 46% like her (including 8 of 10 Republicans), 46% don't (including 7 of 10 Democrats) and only 8% are undecided (no doubt including many who've been living underground since John McCain unveiled his VP GOP running mate in Dayton some15 months ago).

But here's the fascinating, little-noticed catch:

The very same polarization now holds true for Obama, the fresh fellow from the old Chicago Democratic machine who was supposed to bring hope and change to a nation tired of divisive politics and the harsh partisan tone of Washington.

Fully 83% of Democrats approve of him, but only 14% of Republicans do.

Among independents, who provided the crucial winning boost for the Democrat ticket in November 2008, Obama's support has melted to 42% today, in large part over immense spending and deficit concerns.

And as political veteran Dave Cook points out over on the Vote blog, just since last month 3% of Obama's own Democrats have abandoned his ship, another 4% of Republicans and fully 7% of independents.

Other recent polls have shown Republicans leading for the first time this year on the generic congressional ballot and self-identified Republicans closing the gap with self-identified Democrats.

Meanwhile, Palin continued her book/celebrity sales tour across the heartland, stopping Sunday in -- oh, look! -- Iowa. "No politician comes to Iowa by accident," Republican strategist Tim Albrecht told AP's Mike Glover.



More significantly, Palin was in western Iowa which is ruled by the Republican Party, which in the Hawkeye state these days is ruled by conservative evangelicals, who form a large chunk of Palin's evolving base. As another ex-governor, Mitt Romney, learned to his dismay in the 2008 GOP caucuses won by another ex-governor (and Baptist preacher), Mike Huckabee.



Obviously, not every politician visiting Iowa each election cycle ends up running for president. And not every Iowa winner collects the big prize. But no one gets to the White House without going to Iowa. Which Palin has now done on her own. Purportedly selling a book.

-- Andrew Malcolm

catdd
12-08-2009, 10:03 AM
We are all doomed. Not only has the public not learned from the Obama mistake, they have actually found another airhead to run against him.

YumYum
12-08-2009, 10:13 AM
This is the reason AIPAC has to control our politicians. When you have idiot sociopaths who head our government, somebody has to make sure they have some sort of direction. Americans will vote for a woman because of her hair color, or brand of lipstick. They vote for a man based on his charisma. If all politicians were like Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich, we wouldn't need lobbies.

RM918
12-08-2009, 10:39 AM
We are all doomed. Not only has the public not learned from the Obama mistake, they have actually found another airhead to run against him.

So, where's a good place to expatriate these days?

Cowlesy
12-08-2009, 10:42 AM
Didn't people move to Alaska in the 1970's?

(opens up alaskan real estate website)

catdd
12-08-2009, 10:44 AM
"So, where's a good place to expatriate these days?"


I figure the best thing we can do is buy a small farm, become as self-sufficient as possible, and keep fighting to get bills like HR1207 passed.
The sheep run this country but we can learn to lead them.

Aratus
12-08-2009, 01:19 PM
when jimmy carter added alaskan land to the gov't parks, this inspired the seperatist movement in the 1970s...

BlackTerrel
12-08-2009, 03:48 PM
The new CNN/Opinion Research Poll shows Palin now at 46% favorable, just one point below her fellow basketball fan.

Bit of a misleading headline. They are 1% point apart as individuals. But I imagine head to head Obama's lead is greater.

Look Palin can carry the Republican base, there is no doubt about that. Conservative, white, Christians love her. She can carry that demographic. But that doesn't bring you to 51% and she has 0% appeal outside that demographic. She will lose to Obama. The only Republican who can appeal to members outside the base is Ron Paul - but the GOP is too dumb to realize that.

speciallyblend
12-08-2009, 05:30 PM
bump for palin leading the ron paul revolution, sorry for sarcasm.

Dunedain
12-08-2009, 06:19 PM
So, where's a good place to expatriate these days?

You'll find there are less and less "flight" options all the time.

Stand and fight. That is what the enemy is pushing us into doing.

Liberty Star
12-08-2009, 07:30 PM
This poll must have been taken before her pro violent racism comments came out, she has no political future.

rich34
12-08-2009, 09:26 PM
I get sick of seeing people trying to pimp other non liberty candidates here in this forum. As much as some in the republican party like to hope Palin is no different than the other neocons that control the republican party. They're not scared of her because she IS ONE OF THEM! Look at all the media attention she gets. Doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative there is no bad media. In comparison have you seen Ron Paul on Oprah lately? What about on the cover of Time? I just wish these Palin supporters would stop and think for a minute. The real deal is the one that the media is not allowed to cover not the one that they're writing about day in day out...

qh4dotcom
12-09-2009, 12:06 AM
We are all doomed. Not only has the public not learned from the Obama mistake, they have actually found another airhead to run against him.

That's why George Carlin said "The public sucks"

http://www.noob.us/humor/george-carlin-voting/

BlackTerrel
12-09-2009, 12:27 AM
Hysterical... love George Carlin

parocks
12-09-2009, 04:58 PM
Absolutely, the only person anyone should vote for is Ron Paul. Now, if he doesn't get the Republican Nomination - stay home. Whoever the Republicans put up there won't be as good as Ron Paul. So you should just stay home, or vote for whoever is best out of all the 3rd parties, maybe. </sarcasm>

Yes, Ron Paul would be the best President. But I'd be very surprised if he won the Republican Nomination in 2012. In 2012, you will likely be faced with the choices of a Republican who is substantially more Liberty friendly than Obama, Obama, and some 3rd party nominees who won't win. In 2008, no one was sure how much worse Obama would be than McCain, someone close to as bad as the Republicans could possibly put up. Now we know that Obama is much worse than we imagined, and the Republicans are likely to nominate someone who is much better than McCain.




I get sick of seeing people trying to pimp other non liberty candidates here in this forum. As much as some in the republican party like to hope Palin is no different than the other neocons that control the republican party. They're not scared of her because she IS ONE OF THEM! Look at all the media attention she gets. Doesn't matter whether it's positive or negative there is no bad media. In comparison have you seen Ron Paul on Oprah lately? What about on the cover of Time? I just wish these Palin supporters would stop and think for a minute. The real deal is the one that the media is not allowed to cover not the one that they're writing about day in day out...

RJT
12-09-2009, 05:08 PM
“All the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre - the man who can most easily (and) adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum. The presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken

catdd
12-09-2009, 05:30 PM
That's why George Carlin said "The public sucks"

http://www.noob.us/humor/george-carlin-voting/

He admired Ron Paul from what I hear, though he never voted.