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Matthew Zak
12-05-2009, 01:27 PM
That's a good question. And I'd like to answer it with a very straight forward, factual response. What have you got?

ClayTrainor
12-05-2009, 01:29 PM
Anthropregenic Global Warming research is almost entirely subsidized by the government. What happens if your research Debunks it?... no more research grants for you.

Matthew Zak
12-05-2009, 01:36 PM
So they're gaining...?

Dieseler
12-05-2009, 01:39 PM
More power over You and I.
It's not about the money.
They already have all of that.
It's about subjugating the people of the last free nation on Earth.
And doing it all nice and legal.

ClayTrainor
12-05-2009, 01:39 PM
So they're gaining...?

Somebody is. I'm sure some of the lower level guys are just being manipulated through typical government compartmentalization.

There is a lot of legitimate science i'm sure, but we can't deny that "free money" from government, has once again muddied the waters and caused corruption.


http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_tb0lU7SbvKE/SmiVIzkZ9NI/AAAAAAAACJI/CzZtQz7eChY/s400/funding.png

- The US government has provided over $79 billion since 1989 on policies related to climate change, including science and technology research, foreign aid, and tax breaks.

- Despite the billions: “audits” of the science are left to unpaid volunteers. A dedicated but largely uncoordinated grassroots movement of scientists has sprung up around the globe to test the integrity of the theory and compete with a well funded highly organized climate monopoly. They have exposed major errors.

- Carbon trading worldwide reached $126 billion in 2008. Banks are calling for more carbon-trading. And experts are predicting the carbon market will reach $2 - $10 trillion making carbon the largest single commodity traded.

- Meanwhile in a distracting sideshow, Exxon-Mobil Corp is repeatedly attacked for paying a grand total of $23 million to skeptics—less than a thousandth of what the US government has put in, and less than one five-thousandth of the value of carbon trading in just the single year of 2008.

- The large expenditure in search of a connection between carbon and climate creates enormous momentum and a powerful set of vested interests. By pouring so much money into one theory, have we inadvertently created a self-fulfilling prophesy instead of an unbiased investigation?

Full Article:
http://ilovecarbondioxide.com/2009/07/climate-funding-exposed-79-billion.html

sofia
12-05-2009, 01:42 PM
for the crooked scientists...its about the cash and the recognition


for the ruling elite...its about establishing international control over commerce and collecting carbon taxes

ClayTrainor
12-05-2009, 01:43 PM
http://joannenova.com.au//globalwarming/money/climate-funding-US-govt-spending-web.jpg

acptulsa
12-05-2009, 01:43 PM
Fossil fuel insecurity. Oil companies have been playing to give us fossil fuel insecurity since before 1973--indeed, about ten years before, when they invented the word 'smog'.

Oxides of nitrogen--a pollutant, and a result of efficient combustion. Restrict it and you get less power from more fuel (until someone invents the catalytic converter). The 'oil crisis' and instability in the Middle East--where's our oil to come from? On and on and on, and each new 'crisis' results (strangely enough) in record profits for ExxonMobil...

angelatc
12-05-2009, 01:46 PM
That's a good question. And I'd like to answer it with a very straight forward, factual response. What have you got?

Control. The United States would be penalized and the third worlders would be rewarded. It's a wealth redistribution scheme.

tremendoustie
12-05-2009, 01:46 PM
That's a good question. And I'd like to answer it with a very straight forward, factual response. What have you got?

The scientists are gaining recognition, vindication, and funding. The politicians are gaining money and power.

Old Ducker
12-05-2009, 01:54 PM
Control. The United States would be penalized and the third worlders would be rewarded. It's a wealth redistribution scheme.

Its also about profit. Cap and Trade is a massive wealth transfer from the middle class and poor to selected financial and political elites. Goldman Sachs. to name one firm, has a huge stake in it. It would make Al Gore, monster that he is, a billionaire.

Dieseler
12-05-2009, 01:55 PM
Control. The United States would be penalized and the third worlders would be rewarded. It's a wealth redistribution scheme.

The Third World ain't gonna get shit.

angelatc
12-05-2009, 01:57 PM
The Third World ain't gonna get shit.

They get permission to add more pollution than we can, hence the manufacturing bases will head there. That's why places like Nike and Apple support the proposals. THey don't have factories in areas that are affected.

Dieseler
12-05-2009, 01:59 PM
They get permission to add more pollution than we can, hence the manufacturing bases will head there. That's why places like Nike and Apple support the proposals. THey don't have factories in areas that are affected.

Like I said, they won't get shit.
The Feudal Lords that run those countries will get a bonus and the creeps that slog in to rape their natural resources while burning up those carbon credits for them will get rich while using the natives for slave labor.
Same old shit except for one thing.
We get penalized and driven closer to their powerless way of life.

awake
12-05-2009, 02:08 PM
They are gaining a world government which will need the wealth of others to operate since they will be producing nothing of value to exchange. It will be the definitive example of the dominate government classes living of the backs of the producing classes of the world through force, fraud and murder. A parasitical entity as big as what they are proposing will impoverish humanity and bring about countless seemingly unrelated crisis to allow the cause of the problem to be the solution; Reinforcing the privileged classes dominance.

Summed up; Slave owners and slaves chained by fiat money.

Dunedain
12-05-2009, 02:13 PM
Control. The United States would be penalized and the third worlders would be rewarded. It's a wealth redistribution scheme.

It's easier to stomach than international welfare checks.

acptulsa
12-05-2009, 02:15 PM
It's easier to stomach than international welfare checks...

...which, in turn, is easier to stomach than a nation which once fought to set nations free now engaging in "imperialism through bribery"...