"progressive" and "liberal" college students are stunned and confused today.

[BarryDonegan]

time to convert them.

[dannno]

I'll bet many of them are as well.

[Elwar]

True...they find out that their precious global warming and their messiah is a hoax.

[zach]

The Democrat/liberal friends I know have been saying things like, "Well, Obama hasn't been keeping through his promises, I don't like him anymore." etc..

Kind of surprising.. however, I know corporate news networks play a part in many people's lives.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

time to convert them.

We need to drop our inferior European cultures in order to adopt the Formal culture inherited from our Christian Founding Fathers. That is the significance of the natural law established by them in our divorce decree from tyranny in the Declaration of Independence and in our new marriage decree to a more perfect government in the U.S. Constitution. You know, even a Native American could be so enraptured to give up his or her inferior culture to do so.

[Freedom 4 all]

They've been confused for a while now, anything in particular special about today?

[tangent4ronpaul]

They've been confused for a while now, anything in particular special about today?

I assume it's because Obama announced last night sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan.

Personally, I'm salivating - Obama just alienated his obamabots, cap and trade looks DOA and the health care bill is getting significant resistance and looks like it probably won't pass. With his 2 key policy objectives crashing and burning, the economy tanking and his popularity taking a nose dive - I'd say he and the Dems are toast!

-t

[Original_Intent]

I assume it's because Obama announced last night sending 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan.

Personally, I'm salivating - Obama just alienated his obamabots, cap and trade looks DOA and the health care bill is getting significant resistance and looks like it probably won't pass. With his 2 key policy objectives crashing and burning, the economy tanking and his popularity taking a nose dive - I'd say he and the Dems are toast!

-t

Whether to salivate or not all depends on what we replace them with. If it is just a pendulum swing back to the neocons, no thanks.

[RM918]

Whether to salivate or not all depends on what we replace them with. If it is just a pendulum swing back to the neocons, no thanks.

Which is, unfortunately, what it's looking like. And everyone is stupid enough to fall for it.

I think a lot of the Obama faithful will not be dissuaded by this, and losses will be minimal. All I hear is people defending it with, 'Well, he said he'd draw down Iraq and focus on Afghanistan! That's what he's doing!'. I don't think these people will ever truly wake up until we properly invade Pakistan or Iran, and I think the only thing that that'll take to happen is for 'something' to occur. Don't know what, but it seems to be the time.

[heavenlyboy34]

We need to drop our inferior European cultures in order to adopt the Formal culture inherited from our Christian Founding Fathers. That is the significance of the natural law established by them in our divorce decree from tyranny in the Declaration of Independence and in our new marriage decree to a more perfect government in the U.S. Constitution. You know, even a Native American could be so enraptured to give up his or her inferior culture to do so.


What makes you think there is a single Formal culture? If you travel from region to region, as I have, you'll find vastly different cultures-often within the same State.

[davesxj]

I never thought I'd see the day when I'd be debating an Obamanut on a troop surge in Afghanistan...

[RM918]

It's also odd how it used to be pretty easy to argue McCain would've been worse, but it's getting harder and harder every week.

[bunklocoempire]

Those who realize and understand their betrayal by parties will be the best of allies.

Obama, like Bush, brings more pain and betrayal.

Thank you, and keep it up President Obama, you're doing more for the liberty movement than you'll ever realize. :)

It's just too bad this route had to be taken. :(

Bunkloco

[catdd]

Well, I just hope those young liberals learned a valuable lesson from it. The democratic party is NOT the peace party! They are the SNEAKY party.
Vote on POLICIES not superficialities!

[dannno]

I never thought I'd see the day when I'd be debating an Obamanut on a troop surge in Afghanistan...

Life's funny sometimes.

[tangent4ronpaul]

Which is, unfortunately, what it's looking like. And everyone is stupid enough to fall for it.

I think a lot of the Obama faithful will not be dissuaded by this, and losses will be minimal. All I hear is people defending it with, 'Well, he said he'd draw down Iraq and focus on Afghanistan! That's what he's doing!'. I don't think these people will ever truly wake up until we properly invade Pakistan or Iran, and I think the only thing that that'll take to happen is for 'something' to occur. Don't know what, but it seems to be the time.

Sometimes when I'm having happy dreams, I dream of somehow getting a hold of Obama's mailing list and mailing each and every one of them a draft notice... :D

-t

[bunklocoempire]

Sometimes when I'm having happy dreams, I dream of somehow getting a hold of Obama's mailing list and mailing each and every one of them a draft notice... :D

-t

LOL! Great ideas often come in dreams! :D


Bunkloco

[The Deacon]

Obama said that he'd start drawing down in 18 months, so herd mentality lefties will take him at his word again if they don't learn otherwise...

[Dieseler]

Obamatards stunned and disillusioned as Dear Leader exposes his Neoconical Napoleonality simplex disorder?
Duh.
Whodathunkit?

[Bucjason]

Most of them don't even follow current events. They just smoke pot and regurgitate whatever thier socialist professors tell them the world should be like.....so yeah I doubt anything has changed today....

[Flash]

I never thought I'd see the day when I'd be debating an Obamanut on a troop surge in Afghanistan...

I knew it was going to happen. Me, and many others, were warning the Hillary & Obama fans that their candidates weren't going to do shit about Iraq or Afghanistan.

[ClayTrainor]

There are many good anti-war folks in the left paradigm who liked Obama that will be coming become more anti-state. In my opinion, it will be at least as easy to convert them to the free-market than it will be to convert neo-cons and the average Fox news watcher to non-intervention, from this point on.


I never thought I'd see the day when I'd be debating an Obamanut on a troop surge in Afghanistan...

These are the new neo-cons. They are always Intellectually dishonest people, in my experience, which means their arguments are easy to deconstruct from first principles. They are often hard to convert but if you point out the hypocrisy of their positions using the socratic method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method), you can win the observers of a debate with ease.

Take the position of ignorance, and act like you know nothing and you are there to learn from them. Continue to question the root of their principles, when they answer your questions. Allow them to contradict themselves, you don't need to "tell them" anything.

Keep questioning them based on the principles of natural law and Austrian theory, and converting "the left" to liberty, starts becoming a heck of a lot easier, in my experience.

We need to convince the "left" that the economic issue, is the source of all this. Capitalism will help them, if they come to understand it before voicing such loud opposition of it.



"It is no crime to be ignorant of economics, which is, after all, a specialized discipline and one that most people consider to be a 'dismal science.' But it is totally irresponsible to have a loud and vociferous opinion on economic subjects while remaining in this state of ignorance." - Murray Rothbard


/Ramble

[dr. hfn]

Promote the shit out of your YAL Chapter!

Run ads on Facebook, post videos on your chapter's wall, etc...

[jmdrake]

time to convert them.

I agree. Now let's talk strategy. Campus fliers? Teach ins? Movie nights? Liberty tailgate parties? (Have to hurry on that since football season is almost over).

[ClayTrainor]

Promote the shit out of your YAL Chapter!

Run ads on Facebook, post videos on your chapter's wall, etc...

Yes! There has never been a better time to promote YAL, for sure!

[ClayTrainor]

I agree. Now let's talk strategy. Campus fliers? Teach ins? Movie nights? Liberty tailgate parties? (Have to hurry on that since football season is almost over).

All good ideas. Throwing a "kegger for liberty", isn't a bad idea either. On the fliers for these events, have a tagline like "Paid for by Capitalism".

[NYgs23]

Whether to salivate or not all depends on what we replace them with. If it is just a pendulum swing back to the neocons, no thanks.

http://flcenterlitarts.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/sarah_palin.jpg

[dr. hfn]

Screen For Liberty at your campus and spread Ron Paul's "What If?" video!!!

[talkingpointes]

Huffingtonpost, has been rather interesting as the news broke. Icanwatchroachesscurry .

[surf]

All good ideas. Throwing a "kegger for liberty", isn't a bad idea either. On the fliers for these events, have a tagline like "Paid for by Capitalism".

i'd leave off "paid for by...." it's going to take longer for our new RP anti-war recruits - Obamabots as i've long argued for - to wrap their arms around such a dirty word as "capitalism" (think Goldman Sachs, Bernie Madoff and the other folks mentioned on The Daily Show)

Saw a poll that said that 68% of those describing themselves as Ds don't approve of this surge while 70% of republicans did. That means that their are somewhere around 30% of those that consider themselves republicans potentially in our camp and 68% of the Ds that are probably looking for a new leader.

it's not just the kids either.

[dr. hfn]

just wait until he tries to renew the Patriot Act....LOL

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

What makes you think there is a single Formal culture? If you travel from region to region, as I have, you'll find vastly different cultures-often within the same State.

The significance of reducing all of politics down to a natural law is that it becomes a Formal Culture. This is why I showcase it in the higher case when contrasting it with legal precedence. Our "Civil Purpose" or our Formal Culture has to be adopted by us as it trumps all legal precedence this being that long tradition the people have long suffered under. It also trumps every future event yet to challenge our Civil Purpose (but of course!). This Truth is undeniable.
Our Christian Founding Fathers didn't prove that the king wasn't a king, no, that would have been blasphemous; rather, they proved that the king was a tyrant. They did not use *logic when proving this however. Check it out by reading the Declaration of Independence. They only use Platonic theory at first when formalizing our Formal Culture to live by and then they use the Socratic method of defining what a tyrant is in the end.
*The use of logic fell out of favor for a time during the time of natural law after Galileo showed how faulty it was when over turning some of the conclusions long established by Aristotle.