Amazon bans Bill Still's "Secrets Of Oz", sales skyrocket!

[Oyate]

You know Bill Still--the guy that wrote the incredible film The Money Masters. Bill has been on the anti-Federal-Reserve circuit for a LONG time. He's received threats, his father has received threats, his work has been suppressed.

Now Amazon pulls this crap-ola. And it's no surprise. On the 50th anniversary of the original work The Wonderful Wizard Of Oz, we find that the whole story is an allegory for sound money. Because---get this---in the original story Dorothy was told to follow the Yellow Brick Road but her special weapon were her SILVER slippers. Not RUBY but SILVER.

Well the fact is that Bill usually never has much money for marketing. So go ahead and send this viral as a way of saying we can't be suppressed so easily. And have a sound money day!

YouTube - The Still Report - November 21, 2009 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezAvMhG4E54)

[Oyate]

The original is in the public domain. It makes a fascinating read, still beloved by children;

http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/55

Really awesome illustrations in the original!

http://images.google.com/images?q=the+wonderful+wizard+of+oz&oe=utf-8&rls=com.mandriva:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=FA8US6O8AZP-sQPh_5H8Dg&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CCUQsAQwAw

[paulpwns]

Interesting about the silver slippers. I never knew that. Is it some sort of back handed reference to the fed in this movie?

I never could really understand how it relates to our movement.
Any detailed ideas?

[Danke]

Interesting about the silver slippers. I never knew that. Is it some sort of back handed reference to the fed in this movie?

I never could really understand how it relates to our movement.
Any detailed ideas?

Jack Smith of the old "Right-Way-Law" has a interesting interpretation of the novel. But I don't know where you can find his lectures for free.

[Oyate]

Interesting about the silver slippers. I never knew that. Is it some sort of back handed reference to the fed in this movie?

I never could really understand how it relates to our movement.
Any detailed ideas?


Wells......yes. Baum, the author of the original book was in a way making a case for a populist movement that existed in the midwest during the last depression. This was mostly farmers watching their currency and property go belly up and they wanted some sort of reliable store of value. They chose silver as "the poor man's gold" because it can't be manipulated the way gold can be. They knew exactly what they Fed was, they knew exactly who was behind it.

In fact, you might be interested to know what the Emerald City represents. Think of it. At the heart of Emerald City (green) there was a pretender, a charlatan. So the yellow brick road leads you where? This is pretty central to Bill Still's long held position that silver is THE metal of choice for a stable currency. He's got a number of other interesting ideas you should really check out so I'd highly recommend the movie. It will make reading the book really come alive for you.

But there's a couple more notes of historical interest. This populist movement evolved into tax revolts, specifically property tax revolts which had a certain impact. Unfortunately, over time, this movement was co-opted by socialists who used them to form (in part) the union apparati we have today. Maybe this movie represents our righting that wrong. After all, we have a whole new depression to try to get it right in.

[haaaylee]

Interesting about the silver slippers. I never knew that. Is it some sort of back handed reference to the fed in this movie?

I never could really understand how it relates to our movement.
Any detailed ideas?

http://www.usagold.com/gildedopinion/oz.html

[dannno]

I need to checkout this film.

I've read stuff about how the author was wanting bi-metalism (gold and silver), and although philosophically Ron Paul wants a free money market, realistically bi-metalism (gold and silver) is something that he supports.

[coyote_sprit]

I've never watched Wizard of Oz or read the book.

[haaaylee]

I've never watched Wizard of Oz or read the book.

This makes me want to re-watch the movie. Everything will officially be viewed in a different way. Heck, i'll even try figure out what Toto stands for. . . :)

[dannno]

Heck, i'll even try figure out what Toto stands for. . . :)

Well according to Pink Floyd, Toto is "what the fighting's all about", which is true. The witch, in her Kansas character, is trying to take toto away from Dorothy. When her parents won't stand up for toto, he is taken and Dorothy decides to run away which is what made her late back to the house when the storm came.

I imagine toto represents a mixture of truth and property rights, and also a farm. The witch was trying to take it away from them using legal authority, just like the banks were taking away the farms after increasing the money supply and devaluing their currency. The witch CAUSED toto to bite her!! It was fraudulent and wrong and Dorothy knew it.. her aunt and uncle knew it too, but they were too old and tired to fight the system.

[LibertyEagle]

I've never watched Wizard of Oz or read the book.

:eek:

[coyote_sprit]

:eek:

Forgive me for having taste.

[Deborah K]

Money Masters is one of the best documentaries on the federal reserve and money ever! Bill Still is a great guy. I haven't been in touch with him or Patrick Carmack in a couple of years but owe a lot of my conversion to them and that film.

One thing to remember though about Bill, he's a fiat guy.

[Austin]

Forgive me for having taste.
I'm in the same boat. :D

[LibertyEagle]

Forgive me for having taste.

I was just shocked, because I've probably seen it about 20 times during my lifetime and the books were quite popular when I was a child.

[haaaylee]

Forgive me for having taste.


If you have never seen the movie or read the book how would you know it is bad?

[Romulus]

Toto is freedom and of course the Witch is tyranny.. nothing too complex there. The wizard of Øz is a must view.

Also see 'Horton hears a Who' or read it from Suess.. its along the same lines.. very clever and obvious.

[Blueskies]

The Wonderful Wizard Of Oz, we find that the whole story is an allegory for sound money

Actually, the Wizard of Oz is a story arguing against sound money.

We had the gold standard. They wanted to replace it with bimetallism, which, though better than what we have now, was inflationary at the time.

[dannno]

Forgive me for having taste.

How do you know if you've never seen it?

edit: already asked :p

[dannno]

Actually, the Wizard of Oz is a story arguing against sound money.

We had the gold standard. They wanted to replace it with bimetallism, which, though better than what we have now, was inflationary at the time.

How is bimetalism not sound money :confused:

The reason the inflation existed was because the monied interests were able to manipulate the price of gold.. but they wouldn't be able to do that if people could transition over to silver, so it was thought by the common man that bimetalism would bring inflation down. They were told that they 'didn't have a brain' and couldn't understand economic systems well enough so the movement never went very far because it became more difficult to convince others. Looks like monied interests had monopoly on the media back then as well.

[Blueskies]

How is bimetalism not sound money :confused:

The reason the inflation existed was because the monied interests were able to manipulate the price of gold.. but they wouldn't be able to do that if people could transition over to silver, so it was thought by the common man that bimetalism would bring inflation down. They were told that they 'didn't have a brain' and couldn't understand economic systems well enough so the movement never went very far because it became more difficult to convince others. Looks like monied interests had monopoly on the media back then as well.

The Wizard of Oz was written for farmers. They were deep in debt and wanted inflation to help them pay off their mortgages. It's a pro-inflation story, not an anti one.

Bimetallism is inherently more inflationary than a pure gold standard. Silver is more plentiful than gold.

[inibo]

This was kind of interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_interpretations_of_The_Wonderful_Wizard_ of_Oz

I remember growing up with it being shown every year around Christmastime. It was a family tradition that my parents and my brother and sister and I would always watch it together. Good times.

This thread is the first time I'd ever heard about it being a political allegory. During my adult stint as a Christian fundamentalist I remember reading a tract that condemned it a proto-New Age self-realization story. The neopagan publishing company, Llewellyn Books, discusses that possibility--though not in a condemnatory fashion--here (http://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/25), while at the same time touching on other interpretations.

I guess my point is, like all good art and literature, people will see what they want to see. Maybe it was just what Baum said it was: a book "to please children."

[akforme]

Wells......yes. Baum, the author of the original book was in a way making a case for a populist movement that existed in the midwest during the last depression. This was mostly farmers watching their currency and property go belly up and they wanted some sort of reliable store of value. They chose silver as "the poor man's gold" because it can't be manipulated the way gold can be. They knew exactly what they Fed was, they knew exactly who was behind it.

In fact, you might be interested to know what the Emerald City represents. Think of it. At the heart of Emerald City (green) there was a pretender, a charlatan. So the yellow brick road leads you where? This is pretty central to Bill Still's long held position that silver is THE metal of choice for a stable currency. He's got a number of other interesting ideas you should really check out so I'd highly recommend the movie. It will make reading the book really come alive for you.

But there's a couple more notes of historical interest. This populist movement evolved into tax revolts, specifically property tax revolts which had a certain impact. Unfortunately, over time, this movement was co-opted by socialists who used them to form (in part) the union apparati we have today. Maybe this movie represents our righting that wrong. After all, we have a whole new depression to try to get it right in.

I think the Auther was dead before the last great depression and the book was written in 1900.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L._Frank_Baum

[rprprs]

Please, PLEASE show me the way to make Ron Paul President...

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm139/rprprs/ruby_slippers.gif

[dannno]

The Wizard of Oz was written for farmers. They were deep in debt and wanted inflation to help them pay off their mortgages. It's a pro-inflation story, not an anti one.

Ya see I read a completely different interpretation... and the interpretation I read made a lot more sense and it said that the farmers were wanting to fight inflation and the business cycle that was being caused by the elite manipulating gold.. so by adding silver it would help fight inflationary/deflationary cycle (aka the business cycle) that causes banks to get rich and gain more capital.. they do so by an increase in foreclosures that comes about during the deflationary part of the cycle, the banks collect the capital and thus own it and the market recovers..



Bimetallism is inherently more inflationary than a pure gold standard. Silver is more plentiful than gold.

Oh, so that's why the price of silver has been plummeting all these years :rolleyes:

[Blueskies]

Ya see I read a completely different interpretation... and the interpretation I read made a lot more sense and it said that the farmers were wanting to fight inflation and the business cycle that was being caused by the elite manipulating gold.. so by adding silver it would help fight inflationary/deflationary cycle (aka the business cycle) that causes banks to get rich and gain more capital.. they do so by an increase in foreclosures that comes about during the deflationary part of the cycle, the banks collect the capital and thus own it and the market recovers..

Oh, so that's why the price of silver has been plummeting all these years :rolleyes:

That interpretation is...wrong. Sorry.

Someone probably wrote it, hoping to tie the populist movement of the late nineteenth century with our movement today, but its not the case.

The people that were in favor of bimetallism in the late 1800s were very much pro-inflation. If you're a farmer deep in debt you WANT inflation.. Apply that to our present situation: why do you think the US government and the banks want inflation? Because they're deep in debt.

Inflation helps debtors and hurts creditors. The farmers were the debtors, the banks were the creditors. They wanted inflation for their own benefit at the expense of the banks.

Please see:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Bimetallism

[Mattsa]

Money Masters is one of the best documentaries on the federal reserve and money ever! Bill Still is a great guy. I haven't been in touch with him or Patrick Carmack in a couple of years but owe a lot of my conversion to them and that film.

One thing to remember though about Bill, he's a fiat guy.

Doesn't matter what you use for money. It's who controls its issuance that is the issue.

Bill Still has his own internet forum here:

http://www.billstillsmonetaryreforum.com/

Give him as much support as you can. He needs it and he deserves it!

[MN Patriot]

I've never watched Wizard of Oz or read the book.

Warning: you will be so scared during the flying monkey scene you will pee your pants.

But maybe my generation wasn't exposed to gratuitous violence 24/7, so stuff like that was terrifying in the 1960's.

[Original_Intent]

Forgive me for having taste.

Says the guy with Ron Jeremy's "O" face as his avatar. :)

Note: I know it's not Ron Jeremy, mmkay? :p

[Deborah K]

Doesn't matter what you use for money. It's who controls its issuance that is the issue.

Bill Still has his own internet forum here:

http://www.billstillsmonetaryreforum.com/

Give him as much support as you can. He needs it and he deserves it!

I disagree. But, thanks for the link. I shall sign up and visit and support him.

[coyote_sprit]

If you have never seen the movie or read the book how would you know it is bad?

Stereotypical witches, Corpse robbing, etc.

[Deborah K]

Looks like it's back up on Amazon! Kewl!!

[JoshLowry]

He actually joined here last month.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?do=getinfo&u=24794

[Deborah K]

He actually joined here last month.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?do=getinfo&u=24794

That is so kewl!! I didn't know that. He was kind enough to agree to speak at a rally I helped organize in DC in '07. Turned out that it cut too close to his wedding day, which was the very next day, and he couldn't speak. :( I wonder if he still works with Pat Carmack.