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11-29-2009, 07:51 AM
Climate change data dumped
Jonathan Leake, Environment Editor

SCIENTISTS at the University of East Anglia (UEA) have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.

The UEA’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU) was forced to reveal the loss following requests for the data under Freedom of Information legislation.

The data were gathered from weather stations around the world and then adjusted to take account of variables in the way they were collected. The revised figures were kept, but the originals — stored on paper and magnetic tape — were dumped to save space when the CRU moved to a new building.

The admission follows the leaking of a thousand private emails sent and received by Professor Phil Jones, the CRU’s director. In them he discusses thwarting climate sceptics seeking access to such data.

In a statement on its website, the CRU said: “We do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (quality controlled and homogenised) data.”

The CRU is the world’s leading centre for reconstructing past climate and temperatures. Climate change sceptics have long been keen to examine exactly how its data were compiled. That is now impossible.

Roger Pielke, professor of environmental studies at Colorado University, discovered data had been lost when he asked for original records. “The CRU is basically saying, ‘Trust us’. So much for settling questions and resolving debates with science,” he said.

Jones was not in charge of the CRU when the data were thrown away in the 1980s, a time when climate change was seen as a less pressing issue. The lost material was used to build the databases that have been his life’s work, showing how the world has warmed by 0.8C over the past 157 years.

He and his colleagues say this temperature rise is “unequivocally” linked to greenhouse gas emissions generated by humans. Their findings are one of the main pieces of evidence used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which says global warming is a threat to humanity.


11-29-2009, 09:14 AM
then, like spoiled milk, their massaged data are no good. sorry, guys, nice try
to fool us. I suppose the dog ate it, along with your homework.

ha, ha, ha


11-29-2009, 10:19 AM
"Whenever you try to interpret private communications between people you are bound to make mistakes," said John Bennett, executive director of Sierra Club Canada.

The Economist, a conservative global news weekly, analyzed the e-mails and decided "none of this is evidence of fraud."

While many others maintain the sheer scale of the deceit involved, if true, would be beyond the fantastic.

"To believe that the deniers have a strong case you would have to believe in a gigantic conspiracy amongst virtually the whole global scientific establishment," said Matthew Bramley, director of the Pembina Institute's climate change program. "It's really not credible."

No conspiracy - only the worlds biggest pork trough for the worlds best lairs and or thief's to pull up to. If you sing along with the man made climate change choir you will be paid for your performance. Those who support it find financial reward and career advancement , those who take the skeptical position are ostracized and shut out of the funding orgy. You do not need a conspiracy only stolen money and lots of it.

Look what the corruption in economics has delivered us into.

If I offered 1 billion dollars to who ever could find me evidence of an asteroid that would hit earth and wipe out man, do you think no one would try to make the case? Do you not think that the proponents and those who have fanatical interest in the subject would or could resist? What if I had the power to convene a government panel to study the issue paid by the taxpayer, would you not get even more people interested in making the case? How about if I could continually dump unrestricted amounts of money into the research and development of the 'problem', would not more try to make the case and pander to be favorited with the stream of money?... no, no conspiracy, just good old fashioned corruption and parasitical inclinations by people of all educational background and position.

"There is no scientific ought". If there is climate change, then scientifically speaking, that is a theory that can be debated and researched. To take the next leap and tie it to the sins of man and that punitive measures are required is quite another. When science and politics join forces you get a scientific tyranny, which is what is unfolding currently.

Just wait until the committees of experts start arbitrarily designating your life choices based on the 'carbon foot print' decided by them. Wait until the carbon rationing starts, each year the carbon issuance and prices decided by the government experts...Wait until people who have been droned into it start using carbon credits as a money substitute thus sabotaging the market set price.

The arbitrary value of an army of bureaucrats will set the value of everything...will we wake up then?

Or will it be the planning boards who decide what is produced based on whether the government will allow it based on its 'dirtiness' or the environmentalists cries of polluter!

I do not think most people understand that this is not just a tax on production, it is a central planning system that allows engineers to create our environment in their value judgments for the rest of us. The experts and scientists will form a dictatorial body to decide what policies are acceptable and ultimately what we will get to do, not each individual.