Bachmann & Palin accept Tea Party Convention invites

[bobbyw24]

Bachmann’s office confirmed Wednesday morning that she has accepted an invitation to speak at the First National Tea Party Convention at the Opryland Hotel in Nashville Feb. 4-6. She’s been booked as one of the breakfast speakers.

An unabashed conservative running for her third-term in Minnesota’s Sixth District next year, Bachmann has become something of a folk hero in the Tea Party movement that coalesced in town hall meetings last summer against the Democrats’ health reform plans, which they see as a massive government takeover of the health insurance business.

Bachmann drew a crowd of thousands to the U.S. Capitol on Nov. 5, a demonstration of both her popular and fundraising appeal outside the normal machinery of the Republican Party.

The First National Tea Party Convention could also be a sign of the Tea Party Nation’s growing organizational strength. The convention brings together a host of conservative groups, including the National Taxpayers Union, American Majority, Smart Girl Politics, and SurgeUSA.

Of course, the keynote speaking slot goes to Palin, who needs no introduction, but who for purposes of this blog will be identified as a former Alaska Gov. and 2008 Republican Vice Presidential nominee.

Palin’s bad press often gets her written off as a serious 2012 presidential contender, cracking the door open just slightly for speculation about Bachmann’s political ambitions down the road. In Nashville, they’ll both be breathing the same air.

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[coyote_sprit]

Back in my day we did tea parties at night, out of sight and dressed as Indians.

[speciallyblend]

I had to sign in, i couldn't resist.
Where is Paul Revere? The Neo-Cons are coming ,the Neo-Cons are coming. Unless these folks are gonna follow Ron Paul's Platform, and that means a 100% turn on foreign policy and the drug war and pro-civil liberties. I think they are just blowing alot of smoke and it seems some are inhaling this neo-con bs. I would suggest if you go wear masks so their poisonous ways do not infect you. Good Luck on trying to convert those followers.

i applaud anyone willing to surround themselves in palin supporters at a Tea party. you would be better off getting jessica simpson(no harm meant to jessica) trying to convert them over. The smartest voter i have seen out in the real world are ron paul supporters,no matter the party. i think our time would be better spent building coalitions with the masses that already agree with Ron Paul's Republican platform across the party lines. Then trying to convert war-mongering big government neo-con republicans that are really a withering tree in politics. they are just trying to mimic what we/us the ron paul revolution have accomplished, just remember hold the gop leadership accountable with your votes(we did last election and the previous and the previous;). do not just vote for a republican because they say they are a republican.

In my activist activities,I am finding voters are in an agreement with Ron Paul's platform(not all of his platform but most) they just want nothing to do with the gop and this is true with alot of republicans that i called/phone banking before the last election and nothing has really changed except a larger amount of republicans(life-long and new want nothing to do with the current gop,even though they may disagree with obama. they want nothing to do with the current gop. This leaves a huge political vacuum for the Ron Paul Revolution, which truly reaches across all party lines;) now it is up to your local political parties to seize upon this platform. As we build within all politicial structures and parties;)

Ron Paul 2012, the revolution continues with or without the gop as we move forward. I view the Ron Paul 2012 slogan as more then just Ron paul running or not running. It sends a message to the gop and voters that our message is the real message. It makes folks discuss issues and talk. That is half the battle;)


this is how i see it,just my 2 cents. ps what the ron paul revolution accomplished these previous elections, is something the media couldn't do even with all their money and airtime and efforts. Who is Ron Paul?;) if someone doesn't know who Ron paul is, odds are they do not vote and you shouldn't waste your time. Everyone knows Ron Paul:) thats you guys and gals;) not the media that did that;)

the big clue should be that more voters are intune with the republican ron paul platform. then the gop's own leadership as well as voters in the gop. The good news is Ron Paul republicans are really not buying what the gop leaders are sellling more of the same ole obama/bush same ole! This means trouble for the gop in gary indiana;) trouble trouble can anyone sing along. the music man has arrived Ron Paul 2012:)

[haaaylee]

someone make sure they don't talk about foreign policy . . .

[speciallyblend]

someone make sure they don't talk about foreign policy . . .

just the opposite. if you cannot convert them on foreign policy .then they are already a lost cause. small government and foreign policy go hand in hand.

converting neo-cons is like trying to marry nazi's and jews! i guess its possible, good luck.

now if your talking about palin talking foreign policy, then i hope she does. nothing better then to have palin called out on her failed foreign policy at the tea party. i doubt palins handlers will allow her to even mention foreign policy but i hope she does.

[sofia]

GOP men are so pathetic.

They feel they have to advance their agenda by putting these neo-connette bimbos front and center while they hide behind their skirts.

We already know what Palin is....but I dont trust this Bachman character either. She buddies up to Ron Paul to get us to like her...but as another poster said...you cannot seperate out her neo-con foreign policy from our economic mess.

Tea partiers are brainless sheep.

[FSP-Rebel]

So, is C4L gonna have a booth at this convention? TN should have some people there passing out lit to the crowd if nothing else. At every Tea Party meeting, we need to be there to try to keep the conversion going of passing conservatives on into libertarianism or constitutional conservatism. If we allow the tea partiers to be fooled by the likes of Palin/Bachmann, then it's our fault for being MIA.

[Reason]

YouTube - SA@TAC - What is Sarah Palin? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RgW5tgDIxY)

[Theocrat]

YouTube - SA@TAC - What is Sarah Palin? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RgW5tgDIxY)

The best part of that video is from 2:43 to 3:35.

[LibertyEagle]

GOP men are so pathetic.

They feel they have to advance their agenda by putting these neo-connette bimbos front and center while they hide behind their skirts.

We already know what Palin is....but I dont trust this Bachman character either. She buddies up to Ron Paul to get us to like her...but as another poster said...you cannot seperate out her neo-con foreign policy from our economic mess.

Tea partiers are brainless sheep.

Bite your tongue, Max.

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re: Bachmann


And according to Woods:


I had a feeling she’d have some interest in the book … because she asked some good questions. She was taking notes. She was asking if this or that point could be found in the book. I thought I recognized a sincere person who wanted knowledge, not the usual politician who couldn’t care less about what the truth is and just wanted to propagandize.

I’d like to see Bachmann continue along her path, learning from Ron Paul and finding her rebel roots. And she appears to be educable! Which is more than you can say for most everyone else in Congress. And she’s not afraid to stand in the firing line on her own. Let’s watch this lady carefully over the next couple of years. There may be many more bright moments.

Ron Paul, who’s long been a man on a lone crusade, needs all the assistance he can get on the House floor. With all the controversy being created by the hubristic Thief-in-Chief, there’s a bustling market for rebellion, and Ron Paul’s Revolution is just now rolling into prime time.


SOURCE:
http://karendecoster.com/my-writings/what-michele-bachmann-learned-from-the-ron-paul-revolution

[tron paul]

converting neo-cons is like trying to marry nazi's and jews! i guess its possible, good luck.


What a revealing metaphor. It reveals that you don't know that Germans and Jews thrived together for hundreds of years, blessing the world with Yiddish, etc.

Also revealed is your opinion that we are Pure, Innocent Good and the neocons are Pure, Malevolent Evil. How simplistic.

Palin and Bachmann will be there rocking the house! Wooh00!!!

Will you attend and preach to the heathens, or stay home and preach to the choir?

http://www.rumproast.com/images/uploads/2012Ticket.jpg

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Bachmann voted for the government takeover of agriculture, 2749. There is no coming back from that. Actually, she did that after that little diddy about Ron Paul's liberty book club was written, so it was like rubbing habanero paste up Ron Paul's nose. I will agree with the assessment that she is just another neo-con, whoring to the only group in politics that is actually gaining momentum.

[GunnyFreedom]

Bachmann voted for the government takeover of agriculture, 2749. There is no coming back from that. Actually, she did that after that little diddy about Ron Paul's liberty book club was written, so it was like rubbing habanero paste up Ron Paul's nose. I will agree with the assessment that she is just another neo-con, whoring to the only group in politics that is actually gaining momentum.

Those who know me know that I am not a Palin fan, but I have to ask here, exactly in what capacity has Palin ever voted for anything such as the above? Was this an Alaska thing? Was she ever in the State legislature before she became Governor? What does something in the Alaska State Legislature have to do with Ron Paul?

I don't recall Palin having ever served in Congress. Maybe I lived in a different universe at the time?

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

2 elite fascists, one drooling mob, NO ONE WALKS AWAY

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Those who know me know that I am not a Palin fan, but I have to ask here, exactly in what capacity has Palin ever voted for anything such as the above? Was this an Alaska thing? Was she ever in the State legislature before she became Governor? What does something in the Alaska State Legislature have to do with Ron Paul?

I don't recall Palin having ever served in Congress. Maybe I lived in a different universe at the time?

Bachmann-- not Palin.

As for Palin, she was McCain's VP candidate. There is no coming back from that.

[catdd]

"neo-connette bimbos"

[parocks]

People at the Tea Party convention are potential Ron Paul voters, so, yes, I would think that passing out lit to them would be a good thing. Perhaps the lit could point out all the similarities in beliefs between what the Tea Partiers believe and what Ron Paul believes, the liberty message. The small areas of disagreement don't have to be mentioned.


So, is C4L gonna have a booth at this convention? TN should have some people there passing out lit to the crowd if nothing else. At every Tea Party meeting, we need to be there to try to keep the conversion going of passing conservatives on into libertarianism or constitutional conservatism. If we allow the tea partiers to be fooled by the likes of Palin/Bachmann, then it's our fault for being MIA.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

What a revealing metaphor. It reveals that you don't know that Germans and Jews thrived together for hundreds of years, blessing the world with Yiddish, etc.

Also revealed is your opinion that we are Pure, Innocent Good and the neocons are Pure, Malevolent Evil. How simplistic.

Palin and Bachmann will be there rocking the house! Wooh00!!!

Will you attend and preach to the heathens, or stay home and preach to the choir?

http://www.rumproast.com/images/uploads/2012Ticket.jpg

Oh bejeebus. Yes, libertarians are on the side of liberty, Neo-Cons are not. If you are for liberty you therefore must be against Palin, precisely because her policies are in direct contradiction to the principle and philosophy of liberty. Again, as for Bachmann, no thanks. Laundry list of reasons. Two terrible candidates. Might as well have Bush/Cheney run again....it'd be as much a violation of the Constitution (Granted, everyone here all ready knows my opinion on such, though I tend to side with Trem on this issue) as anything else! Why not?! :rolleyes:

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

People at the Tea Party convention are potential Ron Paul voters, so, yes, I would think that passing out lit to them would be a good thing. Perhaps the lit could point out all the similarities in beliefs between what the Tea Partiers believe and what Ron Paul believes, the liberty message. The small areas of disagreement don't have to be mentioned.

Small issues, like American imperialism? I of course endorse any and all lit fliers, but the flies cannot and should not be pandering. They should be staunch defenses on the merits of the philosophy of liberty/libertarianism. My caveat. We are here to educate are we not? Who cares if we alienate the fools and indoctrinaires in the first place? People will eventually come around when their dollar is worth about 1/100th it is now.

On that note, I think I'm going to print out 100 For A New Liberty and pass them out Monday at Thomas Wood's expose. Then do it again at the next event I attend. Seriously, people just go to Mises and print shit out and pass it out! For A New Liberty and this: http://mises.org/journals/fm/fm990.pdf

Goddamnit get this shit out there! Rothbard was the quintiessential genius and intellectual of the 20th Century, and for that matter of any Century besides of course Francisco de Vitoria.

[parocks]

I'm saying potential supporters can be found at Tea Party events. The people there don't like Obama, don't like socialism, don't like RINOs, don't like Republicans who talk small goverment but vote for big government. They're the conservative base of the Republican Party, or a large section of the conservative base of the Republican Party. Their position on most - over 50% - of the issues is aligned with Ron Paul's. They disagree on Foreign Policy issues, but their position is the mainstream position in the Republican Party. Ron Paul has the track record of being the most hardcore of all politicians on issues where they agree. Talk about the many areas where Tea Partiers and Ron Paul agree, and there are many, and that Ron Paul walks the walk on those issues. I'd also add that people who are not hostile to Republicans would probably make better messengers than those who are.


Small issues, like American imperialism? I of course endorse any and all lit fliers, but the flies cannot and should not be pandering. They should be staunch defenses on the merits of the philosophy of liberty/libertarianism. My caveat. We are here to educate are we not? Who cares if we alienate the fools and indoctrinaires in the first place? People will eventually come around when their dollar is worth about 1/100th it is now.

On that note, I think I'm going to print out 100 For A New Liberty and pass them out Monday at Thomas Wood's expose. Then do it again at the next event I attend. Seriously, people just go to Mises and print shit out and pass it out! For A New Liberty and this: http://mises.org/journals/fm/fm990.pdf

Goddamnit get this shit out there! Rothbard was the quintiessential genius and intellectual of the 20th Century, and for that matter of any Century besides of course Francisco de Vitoria.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I'm saying potential supporters can be found at Tea Party events. The people there don't like Obama, don't like socialism, don't like RINOs, don't like Republicans who talk small goverment but vote for big government. They're the conservative base of the Republican Party, or a large section of the conservative base of the Republican Party. Their position on most - over 50% - of the issues is aligned with Ron Paul's. They disagree on Foreign Policy issues, but their position is the mainstream position in the Republican Party. Ron Paul has the track record of being the most hardcore of all politicians on issues where they agree. Talk about the many areas where Tea Partiers and Ron Paul agree, and there are many, and that Ron Paul walks the walk on those issues. I'd also add that people who are not hostile to Republicans would probably make better messengers than those who are.

And Democrats agree with Ron Paul 50% of the time too. I'm saying when doing lit drops to not pander to the groups you're handing the lit out to. It makes no sense to just hand them stuff they all ready agree with, you have to tie it in to the overall picture. The 8 page handout I posted is perfect. It gets them to see the fallacies of Ronald Reagan while remaining staunchly consistent in liberty and libertarianism and strikes at the root of the economic problems today. It's the ah-hah moment. Same thing with Democrats. Lit drop them to show them that one cannot have civil liberties without economic liberties and capitalism is the best economic form to bring the masses out of poverty. Remember, Walter Block used to be a marxist, and Murray changed his mind in 15 minutes to Anarcho-Capitalism. Granted, it was Murray and in person after-all. :D

[LibertyEagle]

Taking pot shots at Palin and Bachmann at the Tea Parties will hurt us badly.

[LibertyEagle]

And Democrats agree with Ron Paul 50% of the time too.

Yes, but not many of those will be voting in the REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Yes, but not many of those will be voting in the REPUBLICAN PRIMARIES.

So, what are you exactly advocating? That we not challenge the views of the tea-partiers? That we pander to them and not try and hurt anyone's ego or beliefs? I thought we were trying to push a revolution, am I wrong?

[LibertyEagle]

So, what are you exactly advocating? That we not challenge the views of the tea-partiers? That we pander to them and not try and hurt anyone's ego or beliefs? I thought we were trying to push a revolution, am I wrong?
I'm not trying to start a revolution. I'm trying to win some upcoming elections right now. And in the process of doing it, encourage people to go beyond their comfort zones on things like the proper role of goverment, why it's important to hold our government accountable to the Constitution, even (maybe especially) on their special interest issues, why auditing the Federal Reserve is crucial and how capitalism differs from corporatism. Things like that.

People do not listen to people who run up to them and tell them someone they admire stinks to high heaven. They will turn you off like a dripping faucet. It serves no purpose to insult Palin and Bachmann at the Tea Parties.

But, people do remain open to others who establish some common ground. If our goal is to get them to read something we offer or listen to us, it just seems to me that our actions should encourage that happening.

Note: I just glanced at it, but that pdf you posted looked like a good handout.

EDIT: They will figure out about Palin in due course, on their own.

[cpike]

I wouldn't just dismiss the Palin/Bachmann fans as a lost cause. People can and do change their mind when educated. I know because, I used to be a neo-con (granted I was younger and more naive), but have completely come around on foreign policy.

[cheapseats]

Don't get me wrong, I like Bachman. Right where she is. She is a fantastic Representative -- has her head on straight AND she's brave.

But did I or did I not read that GOD TOLD HER TO RUN FOR OFFICE? Even Obama cannot make people forget Gee Dub so quickly.

Then we've got Sarah See-Russia-From-My-Backyard Palin -- Quitter, for short.

Combined, does that mean we do NOT have to stay this customized course in miracles?

ALSO, is there or is there not footage of Palin doing some hellfire and damnation preaching on stage?

They shall become the female renditions of Embittered Clingers -- Angry White Women -- and the unflappable Obama will marginalize them with nuanced implications, including one about their support from, jeepers, people like you.

They are endeavoring to pre-set the perameters for Range of Acceptability. Come election time, there will be Givens. Like Hillary. Like Giuliani. These people should have been LAUGHABLE as candidates, yet they were Givens.

Lean to the left, lean to the right, stand up, sit down, fight fight fight.

[Liberty Star]

Glenn Beck and Frank Luntz gonna be there too?

This could be huge.

[parocks]

I think you're wrong about the math - I'd say that Democrats disagree with Ron Paul more than 50% of the time.

I guess it comes down to why you are handing people lit. It is 2009, not 2011, so no one is really trying to get people to vote for Ron Paul at this point. If the goal was to get people to support Ron Paul, or to think favorably about Ron Paul, I'd say that the best method would be to gloss over foreign policy differences.

Since it's 2009, and will be only 2010, and the goal is to get people excited about liberty, I still think that lit with the basic message of "why tea partiers should like liberty" - pointing out all the areas of agreement - is the best way to go. But your idea isn't anywhere near as bad in the context of 2009 and 2010 as it would be in 2011 with a Ron Paul run.


And Democrats agree with Ron Paul 50% of the time too. I'm saying when doing lit drops to not pander to the groups you're handing the lit out to. It makes no sense to just hand them stuff they all ready agree with, you have to tie it in to the overall picture. The 8 page handout I posted is perfect. It gets them to see the fallacies of Ronald Reagan while remaining staunchly consistent in liberty and libertarianism and strikes at the root of the economic problems today. It's the ah-hah moment. Same thing with Democrats. Lit drop them to show them that one cannot have civil liberties without economic liberties and capitalism is the best economic form to bring the masses out of poverty. Remember, Walter Block used to be a marxist, and Murray changed his mind in 15 minutes to Anarcho-Capitalism. Granted, it was Murray and in person after-all. :D

[libertarian4321]

It serves no purpose to insult Palin and Bachmann at the Tea Parties.



No need to insult them, it's better to just shun these neocons.

[speciallyblend]

What a revealing metaphor. It reveals that you don't know that Germans and Jews thrived together for hundreds of years, blessing the world with Yiddish, etc.

Also revealed is your opinion that we are Pure, Innocent Good and the neocons are Pure, Malevolent Evil. How simplistic.

Palin and Bachmann will be there rocking the house! Wooh00!!!

Will you attend and preach to the heathens, or stay home and preach to the choir?

http://www.rumproast.com/images/uploads/2012Ticket.jpg

haha, all i was saying was nazi's, not german, there is a difference. like i said trying to convert a neo-con is like trying to marry a nazi to a jew. i know the difference between a nazi and a german. tghanks for the history lesson though, which i already knew. now if you know a hard-core nazi that has married a jew let me know. the point is time is better spent converting folks worth converting. have you ever tried to convert a nazi? not all germans were nazi's but considering you wanted to let me know the difference i already knew. try not to read into my statement further then it needs to be. i am not against trying to convert neo-cons. I am saying time is better sent converting folks then trying to talk to a brick wall(neo-cons)

I have found more folks outside of the gop are intune with ron pauls platform. then the gop itself thru my aCTIVIST WORK!


THE FACT YOU THINK THEY WILL ROCK THE HOUSE SAYS THE GOP[ HAS A FEW MORE ELECTIONS TO LOSE, sorry about caps, but if you think palin-bachmann are gonna save the party, good luck with your waR-MONGERING GOP LEADERS. OOPS CAPS

sounds like you need converting if you think palin is gonna rock the house. i guess NKOTB rocks the house to but they have no substance. good luck converting the neo-cons. but hey if you keep electing neo-cons. then expect neo-cons.

i never said we were pure,but i do believe honest. where the palins and the failed gop are not good,maybe not evil but dam close! psycho analyze that, gotta love people that try to read more then their really is.

you go rock the house with palin;) enjoy the concert, that is about all it is a show with no substance! i do my part do not worry about me. big news coming in january in colorado. who are you pushing at the tea party anyway? palin or ron paul's platform?

[Liberty Star]

No need to insult them, it's better to just shun these neocons.

Someone had suggested here that "neoconette" was the proper term for these hawkish babes even if they got lot of testastrone.

[klamath]

And Democrats agree with Ron Paul 50% of the time too. I'm saying when doing lit drops to not pander to the groups you're handing the lit out to. It makes no sense to just hand them stuff they all ready agree with, you have to tie it in to the overall picture. The 8 page handout I posted is perfect. It gets them to see the fallacies of Ronald Reagan while remaining staunchly consistent in liberty and libertarianism and strikes at the root of the economic problems today. It's the ah-hah moment. Same thing with Democrats. Lit drop them to show them that one cannot have civil liberties without economic liberties and capitalism is the best economic form to bring the masses out of poverty. Remember, Walter Block used to be a marxist, and Murray changed his mind in 15 minutes to Anarcho-Capitalism. Granted, it was Murray and in person after-all. :D

Please show me the democratic members of congress that has voted with RP 50% of the time.?????

[tron paul]

Oh bejeebus. Yes, libertarians are on the side of liberty, Neo-Cons are not. If you are for liberty you therefore must be against Palin, precisely because her policies are in direct contradiction to the principle and philosophy of liberty. Again, as for Bachmann, no thanks. Laundry list of reasons. Two terrible candidates. Might as well have Bush/Cheney run again....it'd be as much a violation of the Constitution (Granted, everyone here all ready knows my opinion on such, though I tend to side with Trem on this issue) as anything else! Why not?! :rolleyes:

If Palin & Bachmann are as bad as you think, we can vote them out after one term.

Would you rather give Obama another term than put up with Palin for 4 years?

There is no other way to beat Obama in 2012.

http://minnesotaindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Picture-18.png

[tron paul]

haha, all i was saying was nazi's, not german, there is a difference. like i said trying to convert a neo-con is like trying to marry a nazi to a jew. i know the difference between a nazi and a german. tghanks for the history lesson though, which i already knew. now if you know a hard-core nazi that has married a jew let me know. the point is time is better spent converting folks worth converting. have you ever tried to convert a nazi? not all germans were nazi's but considering you wanted to let me know the difference i already knew. try not to read into my statement further then it needs to be. i am not against trying to convert neo-cons. I am saying time is better sent converting folks then trying to talk to a brick wall(neo-cons)


Some Nazis were Jews, some Jews were married to Nazis.

I was trying to be charitable and interpret your wacky Godwin Award application in the way that came closest to making sense.

There plenty of work for both of us, inside and outside the GOP.

If you don't want to help reform the GOP, why insult those that do?

Best of luck with your independent projects!

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

If Palin & Bachmann are as bad as you think, we can vote them out after one term.

Would you rather give Obama another term than put up with Palin for 4 years?

There is no other way to beat Obama in 2012.

http://minnesotaindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Picture-18.png

Yeah, because Ron Paul has NO shot at winning, but Palin has such a great shot. I don't care who wins in 2012 if Ron doesn't win they are all BAD. Get it, bad. By 2012 I'll be in NH, so at least I can affect some reform. Who knows maybe NH will be the first to seceede. You can have your Palin, I'll take my Ruwarts, Ron Pauls, Lew Rockwells, Michael Badnariks, Mises Institute, etc.

I'm sure Paul Krugman can run the ol' USA pretty well. I'll take my free-banking system and sound currency. Adios.

[Reason]

dear god people are promoting Palin now...

/vomit

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

dear god people are promoting Palin now...

/vomit

No, not people. A person. Just one. We will chastise, and ostracize. :p:p

[The Deacon]

If Palin & Bachmann are as bad as you think, we can vote them out after one term.

Would you rather give Obama another term than put up with Palin for 4 years?

There is no other way to beat Obama in 2012.

http://minnesotaindependent.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Picture-18.png

Palin has terrible likability ratings and two thirds of voters don't think she's qualified. Also, she does no better than Ron Paul in general election polls against Obama.

Also, if (i.e. when) Obama doesn't get the troops out of Afghanistan in 18 months, I think a good number of liberals and civil libertarians will join our camp. Palin just offers the same and wouldn't be able to capitalize on this disenchantment. I didn't believe it at first, but Obama's pro-Bush Doctrine speech 2 days ago made getting some of his support to us more likely in a general election. Obama is the perpetual war for perpetual peace candidate, and so is Palin.