What is the most Libertarian or Contitutionalist .........

[Wiserphil]

state or city to live in. I am in Greenville SC and it is very socialistic. I got a parking ticket the other day and before I could repeal it I had to pay it. Plus their is so much money in this town. All the rich people care about is more money. I have heard that New Hampshire is pretty cool, but I was looking somewhere out west. What do ya'll think?

[Anti Federalist]

state or city to live in. I am in Greenville SC and it is very socialistic. I got a parking ticket the other day and before I could repeal it I had to pay it. Plus their is so much money in this town. All the rich people care about is more money. I have heard that New Hampshire is pretty cool, but I was looking somewhere out west. What do ya'll think?

NH, MT, AK, in that order.

[Leviathan]

state or city to live in. I am in Greenville SC and it is very socialistic.

It is very characterized by "a social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community"? :confused:

[MR2Fast2Catch]

Plus their is so much money in this town. All the rich people care about is more money.

"As I watch government at all levels daily eat away at our freedom, I keep thinking how prosperity and government largesse have combined to make most of us fat and lazy and indifferent to, or actually in favor of, the limits being placed on that freedom." - Lyn Nofziger

I live in Arizona and it's not bad compared to other states (I'm always comparing California to Arizona). It's more Conservative than Libertarian, but the gun laws are pretty laid back. Open carrying is legal, and I have a concealed weapons permit, which just cost me $120 and an 8 hour class. We also don't have to register our guns. Also, the schools situation here is pretty good if you prefer private or home schooling.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

NH.

www.freestateproject.org
www.freekeene.com

[FSP-Rebel]

NH is the most free and has something that no other state has: The Free State Project. Unlike other states, we have liberty lovers moving in every week and this helps to reactivate the NH natives who have the Live Free or Die attitude. The NH 9-12 project is closely aligned with FSPers and they tend to be more libertarian than most other states' 9-12 groups. If nothing else, come up here for a visit and announce it on the FSP forums and people will show you around or give you some advice on your visit's itinerary. The best time to come is in the summer at the Porcupine Freedom Festival (aka Porcfest). You'll get to meet a wide array of people and typically there's free drinks during the festival. It's hard to get a feel for everything that is going on up here unless you're here. Oh, we also have the NH Liberty Forum in March which is more of a convention style celebration. This years keynote speaker is Judge Andrew Napolitano, I can't wait to see him in person.

[t0rnado]

Wyoming, New Hampshire, Montana, Alaska, and Vermont only because of it's gun laws.

[BuddyRey]

New Hampshire, definitely. And with all the activists from all over the country migrating there as part of the Free State Project, it's getting better and better every day.

[RevolutionSD]

state or city to live in. I am in Greenville SC and it is very socialistic. I got a parking ticket the other day and before I could repeal it I had to pay it. Plus their is so much money in this town. All the rich people care about is more money. I have heard that New Hampshire is pretty cool, but I was looking somewhere out west. What do ya'll think?

I think all cities are socialistic by nature.
San Diego is certainly highly socialist, but compared to LA or SF I guess it's less so.

[RevolutionSD]

The poster asked what city is the most libertarian, lots of people are answering with states.

[FSP-Rebel]

The poster asked what city is the most libertarian, lots of people are answering with states.
But, living in a city is affected by what goes on on the state level. We have the most representative legislative body in the country and the 3rd largest in the world. We just had a special election for state rep in Concord, which normally leans democratic. Yet, we elected a libertarian-republican because of help from FSPers and 9-12ers.

[tangent4ronpaul]

NH - re: visit during summer... would that be because of the waist to chest high snow banks during winter? :D

Also, from the topless open carry thread - at least one city isn't that "free" - OR or WA are more free on the topless part... not sure on the carry part.

VT isn't that free on carry or class IIII.

MT isn't that bad if you don't mind their 350:1 ratio of sheep:women... oh - and their bestiality laws are really, really strict :D

seems like I was going to comment on one other state - but I ferget...

-t

[james1906]

For city, I'd go with Pahrump

[RCA]

For what's it's worth, I love Greenville. I can't vouch for the politics, but I find it hard to beat overall. I used to live just outside G-vegas for 10 years. If you like the area, stick around and build a coalition to change the politics. We all can't move to one city or state. I think that would make us pretty vulnerable. Stick it out and fight the local battles, everywhere.

[maxxoccupancy]

It is very characterized by "a social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community"? :confused:

I like how socialists think that they somehow have control over the government. In small towns, you have a say in local government. Go to your State House and see how much control you have over that monstrosity, never mind the war causing fed.

OP, you should come up to New Hampshire as part of the free state project. There are 800 movers and another 1500+ local activists. We now have almost 10,000 people signed up to make the move. There are several towns that now have higher concentrations of liberty activists (Manchester, Seabrook, Keene (if you like CD stuff), Portsmouth, Barrington, Dover, Grafton, etc)

Just sign up at freestateproject.org and pledgebank.com/Next1000 (if you will get here by 2011). There are tons of good things going on up here, bud.

[Keith and stuff]

I'd say NH is the best place. It's also the state in the best position to improve because of the Free State Project and other groups encouraging liberty lovers to move and/or get active in NH.

Here is a study about freedom compared in the various states, http://freestateblogs.net/node/5745

Why New Hampshire?
http://whynewhampshire.org/

Out West isn't bad. Maybe AK, WY, SD, MT or CO. AK is far to isolated and harsh for most folks though. CO is becoming less free and that will continue to happen at an even faster rate, IMO. For most folks, WY, SD and MT are the best options west of the MS River.

[torchbearer]

Lone Pine, LA. be prepared to take care of yourself.

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

I don't know about the specifics of the political structure, but Colorado seems to be decently libertarian, or at least liberaltarian.

[MR2Fast2Catch]

Why does everyone say New Hampshire if Ron Paul only got, I think 8% in the Republican primary there? He did much better in other states like Montana, Nevada, Alaska.

[heavenlyboy34]

AZ has lots of big open spaces and is quite gun-friendly (we have open-carry laws). FWIW, We're going to be voting on nullifying Obamacare in the next election, I hear. :cool:

I personally prefer the northern climbs for the weather, but business and culture seems to gravitate towards Phoenix/metro. We're also home to some of the more active members of the movement like Ed Vallejo. (I look forward to meeting him one day:o)

Overall, I would call AZ "conservatarian" with a libertarian streak. JMHO.

[kkassam]

This February 2009 study from the Mercatus Center at George Mason University "Freedom in the 50 States: An Index of Personal and Economic Freedom (http://www.mercatus.org/publication/freedom-50-states-index-personal-and-economic-freedom?id=26154)" should be helpful in answering your question. You can read about methodology in the full report, but the authors basically analyzed data to rank the states on fiscal policy, regulatory policy and personal freedom/paternalism. These were the top 10 states in their integrated index:

1. New Hampshire
2. Colorado
3. South Dakota
4. Idaho
5. Texas
6. Missouri
7. Tennessee
8. Arizona
9. Virginia
10. North Dakota


This paper presents the first-ever comprehensive ranking of the American states on their public policies affecting individual freedoms in the economic, social, and personal spheres. We develop and justify our ratings and aggregation procedure on explicitly normative criteria, defining individual freedom as the ability to dispose of one’s own life, liberty, and justly acquired property however one sees fit, so long as one does not coercively infringe on another individual’s ability to do the same.

This study improves on prior attempts to score economic freedom for American states in three primary ways: (1) it includes measures of social and personal freedoms such as peaceable citizens’ rights to educate their own children, own and carry firearms, and be free from unreasonable search and seizure; (2) it includes far more variables, even on economic policies alone, than prior studies, and there are no missing data on any variable; and (3) it uses new, more accurate measurements of key variables, particularly state fiscal policies.

We find that the freest states in the country are New Hampshire, Colorado, and South Dakota, which together achieve a virtual tie for first place. All three states feature low taxes and government spending and middling levels of regulation and paternalism. New York is the least free by a considerable margin, followed by New Jersey, Rhode Island, California, and Maryland. On personal freedom alone, Alaska is the clear winner, while Maryland brings up the rear. As for freedom in the different regions of the country, the Mountain and West North Central regions are the freest overall while the Middle Atlantic lags far behind on both economic and personal freedom. Regression analysis demonstrates that states enjoying more economic and personal freedom tend to attract substantially higher rates of internal net migration.

[Wiserphil]

what about Idaho? I have heard that is the place to go. The northern part I am told. A couple of good writers for the American free press live up there.

I guess what I was trying to say with the title of this thread was it would be nice to live around people who actually care and know about freedom. I am either surrounded by "traditional conservatives" who's heart is in the right place or "Bleeding heart Liberals" who are at least against the war (well they used to be).

New Hampshire sounds like a good thing, but I was hoping to settle out west someday. Thanks for all the reply's.

[Icymudpuppy]

Regarding cities... Why live in a city. Unincorporated countryside is the way to go.

[Wiserphil]

Regarding cities... Why live in a city. Unincorporated countryside is the way to go.

well I didn't mean big city, just a town nearby.

[coyote_sprit]

This February 2009 study from the Mercatus Center at George Mason University "Freedom in the 50 States: An Index of Personal and Economic Freedom (http://www.mercatus.org/publication/freedom-50-states-index-personal-and-economic-freedom?id=26154)" should be helpful in answering your question. You can read about methodology in the full report, but the authors basically analyzed data to rank the states on fiscal policy, regulatory policy and personal freedom/paternalism. These were the top 10 states in their integrated index:

1. New Hampshire
2. Colorado
3. South Dakota
4. Idaho
5. Texas
6. Missouri
7. Tennessee
8. Arizona
9. Virginia
10. North Dakota
Missouri is 6? I know we have pretty lenient cigarette and beer laws but didn't expect that.


Regarding cities... Why live in a city. Unincorporated countryside is the way to go.
Off topic: Who's Sid Meiers?

[RevolutionSD]

AZ has lots of big open spaces and is quite gun-friendly (we have open-carry laws). FWIW, We're going to be voting on nullifying Obamacare in the next election, I hear. :cool:

I personally prefer the northern climbs for the weather, but business and culture seems to gravitate towards Phoenix/metro. We're also home to some of the more active members of the movement like Ed Vallejo. (I look forward to meeting him one day:o)

Overall, I would call AZ "conservatarian" with a libertarian streak. JMHO.

But AZ is McCain country! AAAAAA!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

[james1906]

[QUOTE=coyote_sprit;2428549]Missouri is 6? I know we have pretty lenient cigarette and beer laws but didn't expect that.

I went to MO last year. I was impressed with how cheap the cigarettes are. Not to mention that liquor is sold everywhere and your fireworks stores are the size of Walmarts. All you need is gambling everywhere and Nevada would turn into a ghost town.

[mport1]

New Hampshire (http://www.freestateproject.org) and specifically Keene (http://www.freekeene.com).

[LittleLightShining]

Wyoming, New Hampshire, Montana, Alaska, and Vermont only because of it's gun laws.


NH - re: visit during summer... would that be because of the waist to chest high snow banks during winter? :D

Also, from the topless open carry thread - at least one city isn't that "free" - OR or WA are more free on the topless part... not sure on the carry part.

VT isn't that free on carry or class IIII.

MT isn't that bad if you don't mind their 350:1 ratio of sheep:women... oh - and their bestiality laws are really, really strict :D

seems like I was going to comment on one other state - but I ferget...

-tVermont has the best gun laws in the country. You can carry a concealed weapon here and there are no permits. Tangent, what are you referring to?

[FSP-Rebel]

Why does everyone say New Hampshire if Ron Paul only got, I think 8% in the Republican primary there? He did much better in other states like Montana, Nevada, Alaska.
I'm glad you brought this up. On the surface, it would appear that what you're saying is in fact a blow against NH. But, let us rewind the clock back to the primary season shall we..

On one hand, NH is the 1st in the nation primary where each isle had 10 candidates in the race, thus diluting the support that some candidates could've had. The other states you mentioned were later in the primary season when other candidates had dropped out making it easier for RP to achieve higher totals and some of them are caucus states which are totally different from primary states. Leading into the NH primary, Fox News hosted a debate which Ron Paul wasn't even allowed into, the only debate he wasn't allowed in. And the night before the primary, our ole boy Tucker Carlson threw Ron on the bbq when he brought up the so-called racist writings in one of Ron's past newsletters. Add all that to the fact that Ron's official campaign was airing ridiculous commercials about not allowing for student visas if someone was from the Middle East. Whether outright ridiculous or completely ignorant about their tact, this was not an issue to highlight amongst NH voters. We have no immigration problem here nor are the conservatives anti-Arab. The main issues that should have been highlighted on TV were Ron's stance on gun rights, repealing the income tax and decreasing federal spending. We have virtually no restrictions on guns here nor do we have a state income tax.. Soooo, those might be the main issues that should've been focused on.

Plus, he should've had more campaign stops in NH as he had far less than McCain and Romney. It seems that the official campaign wasn't running to win it.

If there was another scenario like this going into 2012, we should be better postured to do a lot better if the campaign is more prepared. Right off the bat, there should be millions poured into NH via advertising and the ground troops will drill the message home from there. Plus, we've had lots of early movers since '07 and more to come before '11 (FSP). This is another added benefit for those that don't like their present state to move here and help gear up for the next primary.:)

[kahless]

Regarding cities... Why live in a city. Unincorporated countryside is the way to go.

With Obamacare coming it will put an unnecessary tax burden on those that wish to live freely in these areas. I still want to move to unincorporated countryside but feel Obama and the current Congress through the Obamacare tax burden may prevent me financially from doing so. I feel my working towards the American dream will no longer be realized due to Obama and the progressive Congress. :mad:

My only hope is there are enough pissed off people like me in this country that will demand their state governments not submit to it so we actually do have an option to move to Libertarian-Constitutionalist areas.

[JamesButabi]

Im with you kahless. Im a frequest visitor to NH and the freestater events. I think thats the best idea going now. No top down structure; people of all different ideals from small government to no government, all doing their own methods of activism promoting peaceful evolution.

[Anti Federalist]

I'm glad you brought this up. On the surface, it would appear that what you're saying is in fact a blow against NH. But, let us rewind the clock back to the primary season shall we..

On one hand, NH is the 1st in the nation primary where each isle had 10 candidates in the race, thus diluting the support that some candidates could've had. The other states you mentioned were later in the primary season when other candidates had dropped out making it easier for RP to achieve higher totals and some of them are caucus states which are totally different from primary states. Leading into the NH primary, Fox News hosted a debate which Ron Paul wasn't even allowed into, the only debate he wasn't allowed in. And then night before the primary, our ole boy Tucker Carlson threw Ron on the bbq when he brought up the so-called racist writings in one of Ron's past newsletters. Add all that to the fact that Ron's official campaign was airing ridiculous commercials about not allowing for student visas if someone was from the Middle East. Whether outright ridiculous or completely ignorant about their tact, this was not an issue to highlight amongst NH voters. We have no immigration problem here nor are the conservatives anti-Arab. The main issues that should have been highlighted on TV were Ron's stance on gun rights, repealing the income tax and increasing federal spending. We have virtually no restrictions on guns here nor do we have a state income tax.. Soooo, those might be the main issues that should've been focused on.

Plus, he should've had more campaign stops in NH as he had far less than McCain and Romney. It seems that the official campaign wasn't running to win it.

If there was another scenario like this going into 2012, we should be better postured to do a lot better if the campaign is more prepared. Right off the bat, there should be millions poured into NH via advertising and the ground troops will drill the message home from there. Plus, we've had lots of early movers since '07 and more to come before '11 (FSP). This is another added benefit for those that don't like their present state to move here and help gear up for the next primary.:)

That^^^

Even with all that working against him, NH was, what, his second or third best primary finish?

[literatim]

New Hampshire does not have the resources to support itself, thus lowering any chance the State will actually secede.

[kahless]

New Hampshire does not have the resources to support itself, thus lowering any chance the State will actually secede.

Support what? Perhaps you mean the old way of thinking where government is involved in areas which it does not belong. Maybe you mean there would need to be a transition to prevent any form of disruption to the way of life if they did secede.

[MR2Fast2Catch]

AZ has lots of big open spaces and is quite gun-friendly (we have open-carry laws). FWIW, We're going to be voting on nullifying Obamacare in the next election, I hear. :cool:

I personally prefer the northern climbs for the weather, but business and culture seems to gravitate towards Phoenix/metro. We're also home to some of the more active members of the movement like Ed Vallejo. (I look forward to meeting him one day:o)

Overall, I would call AZ "conservatarian" with a libertarian streak. JMHO.

:eek: You're an activist in AZ, with that many posts on the forums and you haven't met Ed Vallejo? ;) I think he is on the boards under the screen name "AZ Libertarian"
I've only met him a couple times, briefly. He is a real trooper for the movement.


But AZ is McCain country! AAAAAA!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

Don't remind me! :mad: (Chris Simcox for Senate! (http://www.simcoxforsenate.com/index.php)) I think AZ used to be a libertarian state but it has transitioned into a Conservative one. Remember, Barry Goldwater was the Senator from AZ before McCain got elected.

[heavenlyboy34]

:eek: You're an activist in AZ, with that many posts on the forums and you haven't met Ed Vallejo? ;) I think he is on the boards under the screen name "AZ Libertarian"
I've only met him a couple times, briefly. He is a real trooper for the movement.



Don't remind me! :mad: (Chris Simcox for Senate! (http://www.simcoxforsenate.com/index.php)) I think AZ used to be a libertarian state but it has transitioned into a Conservative one. Remember, Barry Goldwater was the Senator from AZ before McCain got elected.

I've exchanged emails with Ed and have his phone number, but haven't had the chance to meet him yet. :( Life is not cooperating with my desires to overthrow the tyrannical State! :mad::p:(

[MR2Fast2Catch]

I've exchanged emails with Ed and have his phone number, but haven't had the chance to meet him yet. :( Life is not cooperating with my desires to overthrow the tyrannical State! :mad::p:(

Are you involved in the Republican or Libertarian Party at all? I'm always curious what the board members in AZ are up to cause a lot of times it's difficult to connect usernames to actual activists. I'm a Republican PC in LD18, currently.

[heavenlyboy34]

Are you involved in the Republican or Libertarian Party at all? I'm always curious what the board members in AZ are up to cause a lot of times it's difficult to connect usernames to actual activists. I'm a Republican PC in LD18, currently.

between health and job issues, I'm not able to be active as I would like. However, if there's anything I can do from home (I'm a graphic artist, musician, and composer) my skills are ready when needed :cool: (see the link in my sig)

[Keith and stuff]

Why does everyone say New Hampshire if Ron Paul only got, I think 8% in the Republican primary there? He did much better in other states like Montana, Nevada, Alaska.

Ron Paul did amazing in NH. I think he get 2nd out of the 1/2 of of primary votes. Keep in mind he tended to do better in the caucus votes and that NH is by far the most competitive state. He did win a town in NH and everything. Actually, at least one article was written which explained how great Ron Paul did in NH, especially when compared to almost every other state. If anything, how well Ron Paul did in NH helped the status of the Free State Project and NH among Ron Paul types. It is really strange to see people confuse or twist the facts and come up with the opposite conclusion.

However, saying that, it doesn't really matter how many votes Ron Paul got in any state. RP certainly didn't win the GOP primary in any state. He didn't win the caucus, either. In fact, he didn't even come close to winning either. Even if he would have won that, it still wouldn't have represented the voters of a state, just the voters that participated in a particular GOP Primary.

If you look at the actual laws, you will see that some states are much freer that some other states. For example, it is very easy to tell that there is some degree of freedom left in NH and SD. On the other hand, it is easy to tell that places like CA, NY and NJ tend to be statist hell holes. Out of all of those states, Ron Paul did best in NH. However, he did even better in PA which is a joke as far as freedom is concerned.

When I look at how free a place is, I look at the laws and the people. NH has just about the best laws and certainly is head and shoulders above any other state when it comes to per captia freedom activists in raw numbers and quality.

[Keith and stuff]

Vermont has the best gun laws in the country. You can carry a concealed weapon here and there are no permits. Tangent, what are you referring to?

If you are serious about gun laws, you likely know that there is great debate on this topic. What is certain is that AK, ID, MT, NH and VT tend to have far better (or less restrictive) gun laws than most of the other states.

I've read arguments about how AK, MT, NH and VT were all the best. None of them are anywhere near where they should be but they all tend to have some standout things.

AK, ID and MT are in the West, so I guess those states highly relate to this topic.

[RevolutionSD]

I'm glad you brought this up. On the surface, it would appear that what you're saying is in fact a blow against NH. But, let us rewind the clock back to the primary season shall we..

On one hand, NH is the 1st in the nation primary where each isle had 10 candidates in the race, thus diluting the support that some candidates could've had. The other states you mentioned were later in the primary season when other candidates had dropped out making it easier for RP to achieve higher totals and some of them are caucus states which are totally different from primary states. Leading into the NH primary, Fox News hosted a debate which Ron Paul wasn't even allowed into, the only debate he wasn't allowed in. And the night before the primary, our ole boy Tucker Carlson threw Ron on the bbq when he brought up the so-called racist writings in one of Ron's past newsletters. Add all that to the fact that Ron's official campaign was airing ridiculous commercials about not allowing for student visas if someone was from the Middle East. Whether outright ridiculous or completely ignorant about their tact, this was not an issue to highlight amongst NH voters. We have no immigration problem here nor are the conservatives anti-Arab. The main issues that should have been highlighted on TV were Ron's stance on gun rights, repealing the income tax and decreasing federal spending. We have virtually no restrictions on guns here nor do we have a state income tax.. Soooo, those might be the main issues that should've been focused on.

Plus, he should've had more campaign stops in NH as he had far less than McCain and Romney. It seems that the official campaign wasn't running to win it.

If there was another scenario like this going into 2012, we should be better postured to do a lot better if the campaign is more prepared. Right off the bat, there should be millions poured into NH via advertising and the ground troops will drill the message home from there. Plus, we've had lots of early movers since '07 and more to come before '11 (FSP). This is another added benefit for those that don't like their present state to move here and help gear up for the next primary.:)

You made a lot of good points here on the facts surrounding the NH primary.

But if you remember before the primaries, we all thought RP would either clean house in NH or at least make the race close.

And it turned out to be the exact opposite. He wasn't even close. Can this all be blamed on the poor ads and crappy campaign? Remember, this is where the RP troops were stomping through the snow going door-to-door the most.

I think one thing we're not considering is that most voters want to GET something from whoever they are voting for. In other words, McCain is promising social security and all the wonderful benefits that the state can provide. RP is offering a do-it-yourself approach. Of course, we all know that RP's ideas are the ONLY right way, and McCain and all the statists are destroying the country. But most people can only see immediate gratification- and people who vote especially tend to focus on the goodies rather than what's good for us.

If all the mistakes you mentioned were not made, it's possible RP would have gotten a couple more percent of the vote. But I highly doubt he would have challenged McCain, unless he ran ads talking about how he would protect social security, etc.

[easycougar]

How are the cities/towns in Ron Paul's district?
For those of you that currently live there, how would you describe it?

[james1906]

How are the cities/towns in Ron Paul's district?
For those of you that currently live there, how would you describe it?

Friendswood just legalized alcohol this month! Woo hoo Friendswood!

[FSP-Rebel]

You made a lot of good points here on the facts surrounding the NH primary.

But if you remember before the primaries, we all thought RP would either clean house in NH or at least make the race close.

And it turned out to be the exact opposite. He wasn't even close. Can this all be blamed on the poor ads and crappy campaign? Remember, this is where the RP troops were stomping through the snow going door-to-door the most.

I think one thing we're not considering is that most voters want to GET something from whoever they are voting for. In other words, McCain is promising social security and all the wonderful benefits that the state can provide. RP is offering a do-it-yourself approach. Of course, we all know that RP's ideas are the ONLY right way, and McCain and all the statists are destroying the country. But most people can only see immediate gratification- and people who vote especially tend to focus on the goodies rather than what's good for us.

If all the mistakes you mentioned were not made, it's possible RP would have gotten a couple more percent of the vote. But I highly doubt he would have challenged McCain, unless he ran ads talking about how he would protect social security, etc.
I agree with some of the points you make. But in addition to some of the things I posted priorly, Ron Paul didn't have the best name rec and most people that did know him knew him by virtue of his 'crazy supporters'. The media tried their best to not include Ron in GOP candidate lineups and thus most people thought he didn't have a chance anyway, thus didn't consider him to be a viable option when voting. I agree with Keith that judging a state based upon their current laws is key. The economy, which is Ron's strongest issue, hadn't really went to hell til after the primary. So now, he has more of a claim to fame especially after all the support he got on 1207. Even in the debates that Ron was in, they didn't give him much time and often asked him obscure questions.

Rasmussen had Ron at 15ish% going into the NH primary but the last minute tarnish by Tucker over the racist newsletters and not being in the Fox debate cut that in half. If Ron ran again, he'd have higher name rec and would be more bonafide as the head honcho that took on the Fed. The people will know we're in a depression by then and will be hungry for something different.

But to the OP, NH is the best because we're the lowest taxed out of the lower 48 contiguous states and we have pretty decent gun laws. Furthermore, we have no seatbelt law (one less reason for cops to pull you over to possibly search your car for stuff), no mandatory car insurance, our constitution allows for revolution and many other reasons. The added bonus is that new liberty lovers are moving in every week to help bolster freedom here and this activates native freedom lovers to join in. Our 9-12 group isn't a Palin bandwagon and is likely the most libertarian in the country.

Lastly, NH has plenty of its own resources to survive w/o DC and we aren't landlocked like some of the western choices. We are one of the original 13 colonies that voluntarily signed on to the Constitution, so we have a strong legal case to back out. What we don't have, oil for example, can be gotten through trade with Canada.

[Keith and stuff]

You made a lot of good points here on the facts surrounding the NH primary.

But if you remember before the primaries, we all thought RP would either clean house in NH or at least make the race close.

And it turned out to be the exact opposite. He wasn't even close. Can this all be blamed on the poor ads and crappy campaign?

No, it was mostly the message. Most of the people that the Ron Paul would do well because they didn't know that much about politics. If they knew a lot about politics, they would have likely known that Ron Paul's message isn't popular in this nation. I learned that years ago, decided there was almost no chance that national politics would ever get much better (in fact, it has been getting worse most years for hundreds of years), and joined the Free State Project. As a whole, I don't see how the nation is going to get better. Maybe if a few thousand more freedom activists move to NH, there will be a chance for freedom somewhere in the world. It is by far the best shot freedom has anywhere in the world.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

No, it was mostly the message. Most of the people that that Ron Paul would do well because they didn't know that much about politics. If they know a lot about politics, they would have likely known that Ron Paul's message isn't popular in this nation. I learned that years ago, decided there was almost no chance that national politics would ever get much better (in fact, it has been getting worse most years for hundreds of years), and joined the Free State Project. As a whole, I don't see how the nation is going to get better. Maybe with if a few thousand more freedom activists move to NH, there will be a chance for freedom somewhere in the world. It is by far the best shot freedom has anywhere in the world.

Amen. I plan on moving there when I get out of the military. Just under two years left. I was planning on going to GMU to finish my degree when I get out, but may decide instead to go to school in NH. That is still up in the air, but I don't think anyone has as good of an Econ department (Austrian) as GMU. I get to hang out with Thomas Woods this monday, so that will be cool and I'll get to ask his opinion.

Keep up the fire NH! (Yeah, I know, probably not the best major suited for job opportunity after school; Economics/Philosophy minor Finance) Though, since I'll be well read and studied in Austrian Econ I should be able to do quite well as an investor, though obviously need some start up capital.....(That said, I'm all ready up 72% this month.....so not doing that bad...)

[kahless]

... I learned that years ago, decided there was almost no chance that national politics would ever get much better (in fact, it has been getting worse most years for hundreds of years), and joined the Free State Project. As a whole, I don't see how the nation is going to get better. Maybe with if a few thousand more freedom activists move to NH, there will be a chance for freedom somewhere in the world. It is by far the best shot freedom has anywhere in the world.

I completely agree with the above and think all it would take is one free state to wake up the nation to these ideas. It would be a good start in moving the nation back in the right direction.

[FSP-Rebel]

I completely agree with the above and think all it would take is one free state to wake up the nation to these ideas. It would be a good start in moving the nation back in the right direction.
Exactly, that is the main idea behind the FSP. Make NH free, so the rest of the country and hopefully the world, could follow suit.

[rg17]

Northern Idaho

[Ronin Truth]

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[H. E. Panqui]

...a lot of the new hampshire 'libertarians' :rolleyes: i've met are thinly-disguised republicans...YUCK!!...

...monetary ignoramuses, etc..

...in maine, the best, most knowledgeable people don't vote...and can't be counted in any ranking scheme....

...i do know when i hang out in maine i am around many more monetary realists than what i've found at 'porcfest' and the rest of 'cow hampshire'...

...seriously, new hampshire, esp. northern new hampshire, is my 2nd favorite place...maybe tied with northern vermont...me., of course, #1...;)...of course, florida is awful awful nice in late january...

...haven't been to ak, hawaii, washington, north dakota..

[dude58677]

Alaska hands down. They have no gun laws, drug laws, income taxes, and if you are a parent or under the age 18 the compulsory schooling laws do not apply to students not enrolled in public schools(Irwin Schiffs voluntary compliance).

[Acala]

Alaska hands down. They have no gun laws, drug laws, income taxes, and if you are a parent or under the age 18 the compulsory schooling laws do not apply to students not enrolled in public schools(Irwin Schiffs voluntary compliance).

Huh? Alaska most certainly DOES have drug prohibition. Pretty much like any other state except for MJ. They have good gun laws, but no better than Arizona and several other states. It has no income tax, but property tax is higher than the median for states. And it has compusory education, with some exceptions. So, no, not hands down.

[Acala]

...haven't been to ak, hawaii, washington, north dakota..

That's a point in their favor.

[Danke]

Huh? Alaska most certainly DOES have drug prohibition. Pretty much like any other state except for MJ. They have good gun laws, but no better than Arizona and several other states. It has no income tax, but property tax is higher than the median for states. And it has compusory education, with some exceptions. So, no, not hands down.

MJ? Michael Jackson?

[H. E. Panqui]

That's a point in their favor.

:confused:

(...?i sense the republicrat acala is still smarting from being thoroughly exposed as a complete monetary ignoramus over at my fantastic! 'Exposing Monetary Ignorance for Dummies' thread...another gold-bug munchkin dummy following the yellow brick road...'follow, follow, follow, follow, follow the yellow brick road'.....because, because, because, because because..... ) ;)

[dude58677]

Huh? Alaska most certainly DOES have drug prohibition. Pretty much like any other state except for MJ. They have good gun laws, but no better than Arizona and several other states. It has no income tax, but property tax is higher than the median for states. And it has compusory education, with some exceptions. So, no, not hands down.

If you don't send your kid to the public schools then the compulsory schooling laws do not apply. It is like the military, if you enlist then you can't quit but it is voluntary to enlist. It is voluntary to enroll in the public schools but once you enroll the compulsory laws apply(can't run off of school grounds). If you don't enroll then the compulsory laws don't apply.

[oyarde]

state or city to live in. I am in Greenville SC and it is very socialistic. I got a parking ticket the other day and before I could repeal it I had to pay it. Plus their is so much money in this town. All the rich people care about is more money. I have heard that New Hampshire is pretty cool, but I was looking somewhere out west. What do ya'll think?
You are basically down to counties. Start with the least populated , mostly .With the least law enforcement.

[oyarde]

Northern Idaho

One of the few places I would suggest.

[Acala]

If you don't send your kid to the public schools then the compulsory schooling laws do not apply. It is like the military, if you enlist then you can't quit but it is voluntary to enlist. It is voluntary to enroll in the public schools but once you enroll the compulsory laws apply(can't run off of school grounds). If you don't enroll then the compulsory laws don't apply.

That's not how I read the statute upon cursory examination. But I am not interested enough to pursue it further.

[Acala]

:confused:

(...?i sense the republicrat acala is still smarting from being thoroughly exposed as a complete monetary ignoramus over at my fantastic! 'Exposing Monetary Ignorance for Dummies' thread...another gold-bug munchkin dummy following the yellow brick road...'follow, follow, follow, follow, follow the yellow brick road'.....because, because, because, because because..... ) ;)

No need to be puzzled. I find your communication style obnoxious. I will speculate that I am neither the first nor the last to share this impression with you.