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Reason
11-26-2009, 10:42 AM
After reading Lew's post for today and seeing his reference about the florida and virginia origins I decided to pull up those issues and post them below...








November 25, 2009

Thanksgovernment Day (http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/43685.html)

Posted by Lew Rockwell (lew@lewrockwell.com) on November 25, 2009 01:54 PM
The first thanksgiving proclamation was issued by Geo. Washington, in which he called on Americans to pray. Like virtually all pols, George wanted to be a religious figure too. But his call to thanksgiving for a wonderful government (and president) fell flat in those freer days. The proclamation that stuck was from Lincoln during his war on dissenting Southerners and Northerners. Abe’s edict had three purposes: to cement Abe as a religious figure; to have Yankees thank God for him, his war, and his government; and to erase the memory of the earlier thanksgivings by the Spanish in Florida and the English in Virginia, to make it seem as if America were founded in Massachusetts. As for me, I will give thanks tomorrow that I am an anarcho-capitalist and do not worship the emperor nor the empire.










http://www.flahum.org/Assets/PDFs/fhcblog/RealFirstThanksGiving.pdf

America's REAL First Thanksgiving (Florida Style) (http://floridahumanitiescouncil.blogspot.com/2009/11/americas-first-real-thanksgiving-in.html)

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d8SlNBhoNLE/Sv2HRmSYQzI/AAAAAAAAABs/nEws72IsVhY/s400/Group.gif (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_d8SlNBhoNLE/Sv2HRmSYQzI/AAAAAAAAABs/nEws72IsVhY/s1600-h/Group.gif)As the Thanksgiving holiday approaches school children everywhere are dusting off their Pilgrim costumes and asking their parents for contributions of turkey, dressing, and cranberry sauce for classroom recreations of the famous Plymouth meal. But Florida schoolchildren in particular should really be researching the attire of Spanish soldiers and Timucuan Indians and asking grandma to help them find garbanzo beans and chorizo sausage for their communal school meal.

That’s because, as historian Michael Gannon tells us, the REAL first Thanksgiving took place in St. Augustine, Florida in 1565, some 56 years before the legendary meal in Massachusetts. The meal, shared by Spanish soldiers and natives of the Seloy tribe, was a celebration of the safe arrival of the Spanish expedition of Pedro Menéndez de Avilés. Dr. Gannon’s claims have earned him the moniker “The Grinch Who Stole Thanksgiving” in New England circles. Read the full story of the real first Thanksgiving in this article (http://www.flahum.org/Assets/PDFs/fhcblog/RealFirstThanksGiving.pdf) from FHC’s Forum magazine from the fall of 2006.

Then check out some of the other resources FHC has created for teachers and the general public, including a downloadable poster (http://www.flahum.org/index.cfm/do/Teachers.Teacher_Resources/Teacher_Resources.htm#Resources) that shows a comparative timeline of the British and Spanish Colonial experiences in the New World (available in both English and Spanish), coloring book (http://ufdcweb1.uflib.ufl.edu/ufdc/?s=teachers&m=hrdb&t=thanksgiving) drawings of the First Thanksgiving meal in St. Augustine , resources from FHC’s “Spanish Colonial St. Augustine” (http://www.uflib.ufl.edu/ufdc/?s=teachers) teacher resource website, and a radio program (listen (http://www.flahum.org/Assets/mp3s/fhcblog/08-04WhyStAugustine.mp3)/download (http://www.flahum.org/Assets/mp3s/fhcblog/08-04WhyStAugustine.zip)) on colonial St. Augustine history, And learn about Robyn Gioia (http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/2007-11-20-first-thanksgiving_N.htm), the Florida teacher that published a children’s book, America's REAL First Thanksgiving (http://new.pineapplepress.com/) (search by book title,) after attending FHC’s Colonial St. Augustine summer seminar for teachers. Then look into your own opportunities to attend FHC’s popular St. Augustine seminar in the summer of 2010 (http://www.flahum.org/index.cfm/do/Teachers.Seminars/Seminars.htm).
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Reason
11-26-2009, 10:44 AM
also...

FOUNDERS

The First Thanksgiving

By Kristine Vick
CBN News


CBN.com (http://www.cbn.com/) -- In 1619, two years before the colonists arrived in Massachusetts, a band of English settlers landed in Virginia, at what is now known as the Berkeley plantation. History says the travelers immediately fell to their knees to thank God for their safe arrival. Here is a closer look at the role these settlers had in shaping what we know today as Thanksgiving.
Most people think of the Pilgrims on Thanksgiving day: 1622, the Mayflower, Squanto and his tribe sharing a feast with the Puritans at Plymouth Rock.
But the children at Stonebridge School in Virginia present a different picture. With colonial hats and feathered headbands, these children re-enact what it must have been like back in the 1600s, marking the events surrounding the first Thanksgiving at a very different time and place.
http://www.cbn.com/imagesCC/jamestown-2.jpgIt all began on the shores of Cape Henry in Virginia. In 1607, the first English colonists arrived: 105 English men and boys, and 39 sailors, among them the Reverend Robert Hunt. He was the first minister in America. According to Jamestown site historian, Dianne Stallings, he was instrumental in establishing the protestant faith in the new world.
Following a mandate from the king of England, Hunt pitched a cross and led the men in prayer on the beaches of Cape Henry.
"Reverend Hunt would have had the Book of Common Prayer as well as the Bible," says Stallings. "And this would be a general prayer of thanksgiving that would have been read at that period of time."
Titled simply, the "General Thanksgiving", this prayer, in one of it's various versions , reads as follows:
"Almighty God, Father of all mercies, we thine unworthy servants do give thee most humble and hearty thanks for all thy goodness and loving-kindness to us and to all men.
We bless thee for our creation, preservation, and all the blessings of this life; but above all for thine inestimable love in the redemption of the world by our Lord Jesus Christ, for the means of grace, and for the hope of glory."
For two weeks the men combed the shores of the James River, scouting out the perfect place for their new settlement. Finally they decided on Jamestown.
And according to Stallings, the settlers came for three reasons: God, glory, and gold.
http://www.cbn.com/imagesCC/jamestown-3.jpg"England was very concerned that the protestant faith be established in the new world, and, of course, they were dedicated to the fact that they wanted to Christianize the Indians," she says.
Perhaps the most famous Indian at the settlement was Pocahontas. Through her the Powhatan Indians and the colonists made peace. She would bring the colonists food, and some historical accounts say she even saved Captain John Smith's life from her own people. Eventually, Pocahontas was held hostage by the colonists. It was then that she converted to Christianity and married one of the Jamestown leaders, John Rolfe. She was baptized into the Christian name, Rebecca.
Through Pocahontas, the settlers saw their goal of spreading the protestant faith begin to come to fruition. Years later she returned to England with her husband. Sadly, at just 22 years old, she died. It was two years after Pocahontas' death that another group of English colonists landed in Virginia. After ten weeks at sea, they finally landed at the Berkeley Plantation. Virginia Historians claim that this is where the real first Thanksgiving took place. The plantation sits just a few miles from the original Jamestown settlement.
"The Virginia Company had directives given to the settlers and the directives were that upon landing, they were to give thanks and every year thereafter make it an annual celebration in thanks to the Lord for a safe passage," says Barbara Awad, president of the Virginia Thanksgiving Festival.
http://www.cbn.com/imagesCC/jamestown-4.jpgThis was about seventeen months before the pilgrims landed in Plymouth. And while the Pilgrims celebrated with a feast, much like the traditional meal Americans eat on Thanksgiving, the settlers at Berkeley Plantation had a meager meal.
"It wasn't quite the abundant festival, the cornucopia that we usually see on Thanksgiving," says Awad.
Historians say their feast included bacon, peas, cornmeal cakes, and cinnamon water. But regardless of the menu, to these settlers, the first Thanksgiving was much more than turkey and pumpkin pie. It was all about prayer.

angelatc
11-26-2009, 10:54 AM
General Politics - the new Grassroots section.

This has nothing to do with politics. I can only assume you wanted to make sure it got views. You're just acting like an attention whore.

Reason
11-26-2009, 10:55 AM
General Politics - the new Grassroots section.

This has nothing to do with politics. I can only assume you wanted to make sure it got views. You're just acting like an attention whore.

If you don't think this has anything to do with politics you have absolutely no concept of the history/origin/progression of what is now the "thanksgiving holiday"

now go do your research.

Oyate
11-26-2009, 11:05 AM
Tell me one thing in this world that ISN'T political for us. ;)

angelatc
11-26-2009, 11:23 AM
If you don't think this has anything to do with politics you have absolutely no concept of the history/origin/progression of what is now the "thanksgiving holiday"

now go do your research.

Belongs in off-topic. Nobody in Congress is voting on anything remotely related to anything on those plates.

I"m in the middle of Greenspan's "The Age of Turbulance" and 2 books on how to win elections. Research that and actually do some good in the world. All these posts do is turn newbies away from our cause.

Of course, you're smugly ok with that.

Civilradiant_palm_pre
11-26-2009, 11:28 AM
understanding the truth behind the facade of the collectivist status quo is a good thing... Not sure what your problem is...

Oyate
11-26-2009, 11:37 AM
History and politics are pretty intertwined and given as today is turkey day, it's kind of appropriate.

Anyways, this discussion of the first Thanksgiving being Spanish, the article makes my point for me. If it don't come with mashed potatoes and gravy, it ain't Thanksgiving. And if it was it would be called Dia por Gracias A Dios or something like that. The closest thing to Southwestern on the table today should be cornbread stuffing (yum).

Oh now I suppose my discussion of cuisine will be ruled off topic. But in historical context I beg to differ.

MY MASHED POTATOES ARE AN EXPRESSION OF MY PATRIOTISM.

RevolutionSD
11-26-2009, 11:40 AM
General Politics - the new Grassroots section.

This has nothing to do with politics. I can only assume you wanted to make sure it got views. You're just acting like an attention whore.

This has everything to do with politics and is important to include in the General Politics section.

Civilradiant_palm_pre
11-26-2009, 11:40 AM
History and politics are pretty intertwined and given as today is turkey day, it's kind of appropriate.

MY MASHED POTATOES ARE AN EXPRESSION OF MY PATRIOTISM.

om nom nom nom

RevolutionSD
11-26-2009, 11:44 AM
Belongs in off-topic. Nobody in Congress is voting on anything remotely related to anything on those plates.

I"m in the middle of Greenspan's "The Age of Turbulance" and 2 books on how to win elections. Research that and actually do some good in the world. All these posts do is turn newbies away from our cause.

Of course, you're smugly ok with that.

Totally not true. Winning elections doesn't change things for the better. Politics actually turns people away. Realize that most eligible voters do not vote. And can you blame them? Slaves choosing their masters just isn't appealing to me and many others.

Doing good in the world means being happy yourself, treating those around you with respect, not tolerating violence, and speaking the truth whenever you can.

haaaylee
11-26-2009, 12:53 PM
General Politics - the new Grassroots section.

This has nothing to do with politics. I can only assume you wanted to make sure it got views. You're just acting like an attention whore.



Who cares. I'd say anything related to History has a place in General Politics. It isn't like this post is about how awesome the turkey turned out this year.

RCA
11-26-2009, 01:47 PM
Why not just create a "History" sub-forum and be done with the wasteful bickering?

Cough...Admin???

While you're at it, go ahead and create that elusive "Media" sub-forum as well.

Reason
11-26-2009, 08:34 PM
Why not just create a "History" sub-forum and be done with the wasteful bickering?

Cough...Admin???

While you're at it, go ahead and create that elusive "Media" sub-forum as well.

We have too many sub forums as it is imo

RCA
11-26-2009, 10:21 PM
We have too many sub forums as it is imo

how so? even if we did, couldn't we find some that were less important than history or media to get rid of?

Reason
11-26-2009, 11:57 PM
how so? even if we did, couldn't we find some that were less important than history or media to get rid of?

sub forums tend to just kill discussion on whatever the topic of the sub-forum is because people don't have time to go hunting through all the segregated topics.