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RonPaulFanInGA
11-24-2009, 08:28 PM
His hearing was tonight at 6:00 PM according to this (http://politics.nashvillepost.com/2009/11/17/davidson-county-gop-sets-closed-door-hearing-date-for-ouster-of-ron-paul-supporter/).

Any word yet?

phill4paul
11-24-2009, 08:38 PM
I don't have enough information to place a bet. Best wishes Matt.

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 09:03 PM
if the gop has brains. they will keep him in. up in the air i guess. if the gop has no brains they will boot him out! we should really try to recruit illegal aliens to the republican party, no one else wants to join.(sarcasm)

i voted yes,since dealing with the gop has proven they lack vision and not sure how the gop's brain really works or lack of.

LibertyEagle
11-24-2009, 09:06 PM
if the gop has brains. they will keep him in. up in the air i guess. if the gop has no brains they will boot him out! we should really try to recruit illegal aliens to the republican party, no one else wants to join.(sarcasm)

And who wants to join the Democratic party???? I sure as hell do not. I don't like ANY of the parties, personally. But, I darn sure will leverage one or more to get liberty candidates elected. And for the most part, most of them are running as Republicans. So, I can't see how incessantly wholesale bashing the party which we are TRYING TO GET OUR CANDIDATES ELECTED IN, is in any way helpful. But, that's just me.

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 09:11 PM
And who wants to join the Democratic party???? I sure as hell do not. I don't like ANY of the parties, personally. But, I darn sure will leverage one or more to get liberty candidates elected. And for the most part, most of them are running as Republicans. So, I can't see how incessantly wholesale bashing the party which we are TRYING TO GET OUR CANDIDATES ELECTED IN, is in any way helpful. But, that's just me.

well i am working on helping some ron paul democrats in colorado. they are closer to ron pauls platform then the gop could ever dream of, use the party that best suits you in your county/state.

we are about to do something big in lake county with the ron paul republicans and democrats and changing county/town law;) sad the gops platform ignores the voters will and the gop goes againsts their own platform.

the gop is out of touch with voters and issues. so we the citizens do things outside of the gop in lake county.

the gop is screwed until they run a pro-peace/anti-war candidate and a small government and pro civil liberties and anti-drug war candidate. everyone can take that one to the bank ,including the failed gop leadership.

who wants to join the republican party?? no one really ,sounds like both parties are screwed,so take the revolution to both parties!

the gop alienated ron paul republicans, trying to act like the gop is looking out for the revolution or republican ideals is like asking nazis to feed jews! when i see a ron paul republican running in colorado i will vote for them,but republicans running neo-cons = a no vote forever!

i am more concerned with getting rid of neo-con republicans and getting them out of office!! democrats are not why the gop is corrupt!

Grimnir Wotansvolk
11-24-2009, 09:16 PM
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LibertyEagle
11-24-2009, 09:17 PM
well i am working on helping some ron paul democrats in colorado. they are closer to ron pauls platform then the gop could ever dream of, use the party that best suits you in your county/state.

we are about to do something big in lake county with the ron paul republicans and democrats and changing county/town law;) sad the gops platform ignores the voters will and the gop goes againsts their own platform.

the gop is out of touch with voters and issues. so we the citizens do things outside of the gop in lake county.

the gop is screwed until they run a pro-peace/anti-war candidate and a small government and pro civil liberties and anti-drug war candidate. everyone can take that one to the bank ,including the failed gop leadership.

Just FYI. The term anti-war has always made most Republicans think of "socialist" or "commie". So, I wouldn't suggest phrasing it that way. They think of people who want us to unilaterally disarm, or some such nonsense. What works better, IMO, is to talk about having a strong national defense to protect our own country; rather than using our military to "spread democracy" around the world and taking marching orders from the United Nations.

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 09:23 PM
Just FYI. The term anti-war has always made most Republicans think of "socialist" or "commie". So, I wouldn't suggest phrasing it that way. They think of people who want us to unilaterally disarm, or some such nonsense. What works better, IMO, is to talk about having a strong national defense to protect our own country; rather than using our military to "spread democracy" around the world and taking marching orders from the United Nations.

well the gop better get use to running an anti-war candidate and better get off their bs commie bandwagon labeling with labels. propeace/anti-war/national defense is hand in hand, i guess republicans better stop watching msm! i heard republican meant nazi?? jj of course

until the gop runs a pro-peace/anti-war candidate/anti drug war. they will not fill the political vacuum and they better start calling me a commie republican. the gop is not even close to waking up.

the gop has some serious issues before they get any credibility. the gop cannot fill the vacuum being neo-cons!! and that is a good thing

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 09:37 PM
no news on matt, hmmm have they arrested him?? maybe they haven't finished waterboarding him?? missing person?? (sarcasm)

LibertyEagle
11-24-2009, 09:39 PM
well the gop better get use to running an anti-war candidate and better get off their bs commie bandwagon labeling with labels. propeace/anti-war/national defense is hand in hand, i guess republicans better stop watching msm! i heard republican meant nazi?? jj of course

until the gop runs a pro-peace/anti-war candidate/anti drug war. they will not fill the political vacuum and they better start calling me a commie republican. the gop is not even close to waking up.

the gop has some serious issues before they get any credibility. the gop cannot fill the vacuum being neo-cons!! and that is a good thing

If you want Republicans to hear you, you'll have to figure out how to present the message so that they understand it. Getting up in someone's face and calling them names has never proven to be a successful tactic.

Calling for a strong national defense, while arguing against interventionism is no different than what most of us here mean when we use the term anti-war. If you understand how the GOP responds to the term anti-war, why on earth would you insist on shoving it down their throats, instead of presenting the message in words that they would understand?

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 09:42 PM
Just FYI. The term anti-war has always made most Republicans think of "socialist" or "commie". So, I wouldn't suggest phrasing it that way. They think of people who want us to unilaterally disarm, or some such nonsense. What works better, IMO, is to talk about having a strong national defense to protect our own country; rather than using our military to "spread democracy" around the world and taking marching orders from the United Nations.

i do hear you le, maybe i can try gooo gooo gaga and wiggle lil toys in front of them so they might understand. teasing. i just do not think we can convert a large portion of these war mongering republicans. 1/3 of the republican party might have some sense. the rest are blinded neo-cons with lil hope unless they have some sort of awakening asap!!

LibertyEagle
11-24-2009, 09:44 PM
i do hear you le, maybe i can try gooo gooo gaga and wiggle lil toys in front of them so they might understand. teasing. i just do not think we can convert a large portion of these war mongering republicans. 1/3 of the republican party might have some sense. the rest are blinded neo-cons with lil hope unless they have some sort of awakening asap!!

And you think you're going to wake up the Obamabots???? Give me a freakin' break!

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 09:46 PM
If you want Republicans to hear you, you'll have to figure out how to present the message so that they understand it. Getting up in someone's face and calling them names has never proven to be a successful tactic.

Calling for a strong national defense, while arguing against interventionism is no different than what most of us here mean when we use the term anti-war. If you understand how the GOP responds to the term anti-war, why on earth would you insist on shoving it down their throats, instead of presenting the message in words that they would understand?

like i said we already reached the ron paul republicans. to get things done in lake county we just by-pass the local gop and get the voters to the polls. the lake county gop is a broken tool. the ron paul republicans do not take orders from the local gop. might be why the local gop is about to fall under 18%. I work for Liberty now. if the gop wants our votes they will have to get with the program,but that is hard to do .when they have alienated themselves from the lake county voters!

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 09:55 PM
And you think you're going to wake up the Obamabots???? Give me a freakin' break!

wouldn't that be like saying every republican is a neo-con?? you should thank the gop for obama not the dems. the gop elected these dems because the gop lacks vision and issues. everyone should be more concerned with gop corruption then democrats that are not registered republicans. the problem is not obama but the gop.

LibertyEagle
11-24-2009, 09:57 PM
wouldn't that be like saying every republican is a neo-con?? you should thank the gop for obama not the dems

Your hatred for the GOP is clouding your senses. There are people in favor of the big government nanny state and warmongering in BOTH parties.

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 10:03 PM
Your hatred for the GOP is clouding your senses.

my hatred for the gop is because of the corrupt actions of the gop in colorados convention. your hatred for dems clouds your senses as well i guess. the gop better give me a candidate that is anti-drug war,pro-peace and pro civil liberties. why ARE YOU SO CONCerned WITH OBAMA? the problem is the corrupt gop not obama. you should blame the gop for obama!

the gop is why folks hate the gop.MY HATRED FOR THE GOP was born out of corruption of the colorado gop. i love ron paul republicans.

LibertyEagle
11-24-2009, 10:04 PM
How about the nanny state, sb?

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 10:05 PM
Your hatred for the GOP is clouding your senses. There are people in favor of the big government nanny state and warmongering in BOTH parties.

yes then taking back a local democratic or republican party is no different, you seem upset we have found ron paul dems that are against the war ,against the drug war. i find more voters outside of the gop are more intune with republican/ron paul platforms then republicans themselves, sounds like a gop problem not a voter problem. it is the gop that is out of tune with voters.

i bet you this, either the gop will get with the program or alienate themselves!! the gop is alienating voters of ron pauls platform.

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 10:08 PM
How about the nanny state, sb?

i can only address local issues. not sure what you mean by nanny state? i think our local voters will hold local politicians accountable depending on what our local voters want!
locally i think voters will do what they must.

dannno
11-24-2009, 10:11 PM
Just FYI. The term anti-war has always made most Republicans think of "socialist" or "commie". So, I wouldn't suggest phrasing it that way. They think of people who want us to unilaterally disarm, or some such nonsense. What works better, IMO, is to talk about having a strong national defense to protect our own country; rather than using our military to "spread democracy" around the world and taking marching orders from the United Nations.

If someone in my part of the country ran on that platform they would never win.

They would have much more success running on withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan and ending our foreign empire. The majority of Americans still want OUT of Afghanistan despite the snake oil Obama is selling.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=112094&sectionid=3510203

A lot of progressives realize that the reason people hate us is because of the atrocious things that our military and CIA does in foreign countries, that is why so many resonated with Ron Paul during the campaign even if they didn't fully consider his free market principles.

On the other hand, I'm going to let Rand run his campaign and continue to support him because he has lived in Kentucky for a long time. I've never even been to Kentucky. But speciallyblend will probably have the greatest success increasing liberty in his local by doing what he's doing.

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 10:22 PM
If someone in my part of the country ran on that platform they would never win.

They would have much more success running on withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan and ending our foreign empire. The majority of Americans still want OUT of Afghanistan despite the snake oil Obama is selling.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=112094&sectionid=3510203

A lot of progressives realize that the reason people hate us is because of the atrocious things that our military and CIA does in foreign countries, that is why so many resonated with Ron Paul during the campaign even if they didn't fully consider his free market principles.

On the other hand, I'm going to let Rand run his campaign and continue to support him because he has lived in Kentucky for a long time. I've never even been to Kentucky. But speciallyblend will probably have the greatest success increasing liberty in his local by doing what he's doing.


a majority of americans want the drug war to end and want legalized marijuana. the gop needs to be anti-drug war and pro-marijuana. the gop really seems out of touch with voters. 2010 and 2012 will prove how out of touch on several issues the gop really is!! gonna be hard for the gop to be anti-drug war or pro-marijuana. when the gop is the leading drug war pushers and cartel supporters!! the gop is truly out of touch with many republicans and many indys and dems and voters in general. i do not consider that bashing just reality!

Austin
11-24-2009, 10:24 PM
Well I mean Matt come on, even on his facebook profile he lists his political views as being "Libertarian" not even Conservative....

With an uppercase L no less.

LibertyEagle
11-24-2009, 10:24 PM
If someone in my part of the country ran on that platform they would never win.

They would have much more success running on withdrawing from Iraq and Afghanistan and ending our foreign empire. The majority of Americans still want OUT of Afghanistan despite the snake oil Obama is selling.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=112094&sectionid=3510203

A lot of progressives realize that the reason people hate us is because of the atrocious things that our military and CIA does in foreign countries, that is why so many resonated with Ron Paul during the campaign even if they didn't fully consider his free market principles.

On the other hand, I'm going to let Rand run his campaign and continue to support him because he has lived in Kentucky for a long time. I've never even been to Kentucky. But speciallyblend will probably have the greatest success increasing liberty in his local by doing what he's doing.

What political party are you talking about, Danno? Because I am not aware of many progressives being in the Republican party. Remember that if we do not win the REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, the candidate will not be in the general election.

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 10:32 PM
kinda odd no word from matt or the outcome. they probably said you can keep your position if you do not post any info about it on rpf?? who knows ,just seems odd ? no news yet? it is1130pm??

if they do expel matt. then maybe we should save the gop time and money and mass exodus the gop. i mean people are lining up at the door to join the gop. they do not need us;) sarcasm

LibertyEagle
11-24-2009, 10:32 PM
a majority of americans want the drug war to end and want legalized marijuana. the gop needs to be anti-drug war and pro-marijuana. the gop really seems out of touch with voters. 2010 and 2012 will prove how out of touch on several issues the gop really is!! gonna be hard for the gop to be anti-drug war or pro-marijuana. when the gop is the leading drug war pushers and cartel supporters!! the gop is truly out of touch with many republicans and many indys and dems and voters in general. i do not consider that bashing just reality!

Well, guess what, they AREN'T, and no manner of you telling them what they NEED TO BE, is going to change their views at this point in time. And guess what? Not everyone holds the same views as those in California or Colorado.


the gop is truly out of touch with many republicans and many indys and dems and voters in general.

BOTH parties are not in touch. Not just the Republican party. Why do you give the Democrats a pass? Or, do you approve of the bailouts, the government taking over much of the car industry, financial industry, etc? How about doubling or tripling the national debt in a year?

I thought our ideas were bigger than political parties. That's what I thought.

evilfunnystuff
11-24-2009, 10:36 PM
I predict that Matt Collins will Matt Collins Matt Collins Matt Collins Matt Collins MATT COLLINS

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lol

dannno
11-24-2009, 10:44 PM
a majority of americans want the drug war to end and want legalized marijuana. the gop needs to be anti-drug war and pro-marijuana. the gop really seems out of touch with voters. 2010 and 2012 will prove how out of touch on several issues the gop really is!! gonna be hard for the gop to be anti-drug war or pro-marijuana. when the gop is the leading drug war pushers and cartel supporters!! the gop is truly out of touch with many republicans and many indys and dems and voters in general. i do not consider that bashing just reality!

Yep, it's true, there are a lot of progressives that are way ahead of the majority of the GOP on a lot of crucial issues to liberty. Ron Paul said that our foreign empire was the biggest threat to liberties, as well as the Patriot Act and whatnot. While the people who lead the Democratic party only pay lip service to these issues, there is no denying what the voters believe they should be doing.. which is ending these wars and stop the war against American citizens who choose to use safer substances than alcohol and tobacco. This is in stark contrast to the vast majority of people in the GOP.

Honestly, if the Democrats were SERIOUS about ending the war, restoring civil liberties and didn't just pay it lip service I would be inclined to say that the Democrats are liberty minded on more crucial issues than most Republicans.. ESPECIALLY because Republicans have proven over and over that they are NOT even for small government. But the Democrats can't pull it together enough to do WHAT THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO, which is end these wars..

I certainly have no desire to get involved with the Democrats in my area, it would be completely pointless.. I'm registered Republican and haven't seriously considered any other party since Ron Paul's campaign. Where you live seems a bit more laid back and reasonable, if there is a big contingent of liberty minded supporters who agree with 90% of the liberty philosophy who you feel inclined to support then I wish you the best of luck.

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 10:45 PM
Well, guess what, they AREN'T, and no manner of you telling them what they NEED TO BE, is going to change their views at this point in time. And guess what? Not everyone holds the same views as those in California or Colorado.



BOTH parties are not in touch. Not just the Republican party. Why do you give the Democrats a pass? Or, do you approve of the bailouts, the government taking over much of the car industry, financial industry, etc? How about doubling or tripling the national debt in a year?

I thought our ideas were bigger than political parties. That's what I thought.

exactly le, that is why the lake county gop is pretty much worthless. we will change the laws without the local gop,since they represent about 20% pf voters while 70% are for legalizing. the ron paul republicans and dems are changing laws without the alienated local gop. who ever said i am giving dems a pass?? i never have. i am just telling you everyone but the republicans are intune with ron pauls platform!! if democratic voters and indy voters and even greens get it, why cannot the republican party get it, like i said the gop is out of touch and out of vision. the gop will continue to alienate themselves in colorado by alienating a strong majority of voters. if the gop thinks it can win elections by alienating over 70% of registered voters in my county. then i bet the gop becomes a 3rd party in colorado;) my concern in colorado is if the gop wants to be anti-liberty. then they will lose in colorado!! and they should lose in colorado if they ignore a majority of voters who support a ron paul platform and support legalized marijuana, like i said the coloradogop is so out of touch with colorado voters. they will alienate themselves to 3rd party status as they should be if they ignore what ron paul republicans have told them,back to reality is all the gop needs. so if the gop wants to be anti drug war and anti-marijuana. then get use to them losing elections in the future in colorado;)

MsDoodahs
11-24-2009, 10:50 PM
Collins was removed.

http://www.davidsoncountygop.org/2009-10-28%20Collins_removal.pdf

dannno
11-24-2009, 10:52 PM
What political party are you talking about, Danno? Because I am not aware of many progressives being in the Republican party. Remember that if we do not win the REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, the candidate will not be in the general election.

I'm talking about winning the election that gets you into office. There is no way you're getting elected if you're actively hawkish on the wars, a Republican against the wars would have a much better chance than one who is for them in the general, and that is what the GOP is going to have to do around here if they ever want to win...because they never ever do. It wouldn't be as difficult as doing it in some other areas, either, because there are actually so few Republicans that you just need a big enough contingent and one could realistically make it through. So I'm not trying to give anybody else in an area I'm unfamiliar with too much if any advice on what I think they should do when I don't know the area they are running in. Especially if they have lived there a long time and have a job where they have talked to a lot of people.

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 10:54 PM
Yep, it's true, there are a lot of progressives that are way ahead of the majority of the GOP on a lot of crucial issues to liberty. Ron Paul said that our foreign empire was the biggest threat to liberties, as well as the Patriot Act and whatnot. While the people who lead the Democratic party only pay lip service to these issues, there is no denying what the voters believe they should be doing.. which is ending these wars and stop the war against American citizens who choose to use safer substances than alcohol and tobacco. This is in stark contrast to the vast majority of people in the GOP.

Honestly, if the Democrats were SERIOUS about ending the war, restoring civil liberties and didn't just pay it lip service I would be inclined to say that the Democrats are liberty minded on more crucial issues than most Republicans.. ESPECIALLY because Republicans have proven over and over that they are NOT even for small government. But the Democrats can't pull it together enough to do WHAT THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO, which is end these wars..

I certainly have no desire to get involved with the Democrats in my area, it would be completely pointless.. I'm registered Republican and haven't seriously considered any other party since Ron Paul's campaign. Where you live seems a bit more laid back and reasonable, if there is a big contingent of liberty minded supporters who agree with 90% of the liberty philosophy who you feel inclined to support then I wish you the best of luck.

i hear you, there is something big that should happen in the next 1-2 months. i cannot let the cat out of the bag yet,but it will be big news for the central colorado mtns and big news for ron paul republicans and voters in the colorado mtns:)

once it is finalized i will be letting you know as well as rpf. A major victory for Liberty is coming upon us and i have to say the ron paul revolution played a good part in this change:) with the help of other Liberty Voters:)

LibertyMage
11-24-2009, 10:54 PM
I predict that Matt Collins will Matt Collins Matt Collins Matt Collins Matt Collins MATT COLLINS

That is the first good laugh I have had in a while.

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 10:58 PM
Collins was removed.

http://www.davidsoncountygop.org/2009-10-28%20Collins_removal.pdf

thanks for the info. i kinda thought that is what they would do,but oo well. they only encourage us to fight harder and find liberty minded voters in other places other then the lil tent gop! the gop is only digging their own grave faster!!

more folks outside of the closed gop are intune with ron pauls republican platform ,then the gop themselves. let the gop live in a coma.

can anyone post the actually pdf, i cannot open on this computer??

dannno
11-24-2009, 10:58 PM
Matt, I play the biggest violin for you :cool:

http://www.infobarrel.com/media/image/1785.jpg


(get it?? you know.. the opposite of the world's smallest violin :confused:)

dannno
11-24-2009, 10:59 PM
So now what?

No1ButPaul08
11-24-2009, 11:00 PM
Collins was removed.

http://www.davidsoncountygop.org/2009-10-28%20Collins_removal.pdf

This link just shows the motion to remove which they were voting on today. It's dated 10/27

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 11:03 PM
That is the first good laugh I have had in a while.

you know i have never felt matt was a self -promoter. I always thought he was informing us,it is a shame some of you folks think that way. the problem is not matt,but the failed gop leadership above him.

LibertyEagle
11-24-2009, 11:04 PM
I'm talking about winning the election that gets you into office. There is no way you're getting elected if you're actively hawkish on the wars, a Republican against the wars would have a much better chance than one who is for them in the general, and that is what the GOP is going to have to do around here if they ever want to win...because they never ever do. It wouldn't be as difficult as doing it in some other areas, either, because there are actually so few Republicans that you just need a big enough contingent and one could realistically make it through. So I'm not trying to give anybody else in an area I'm unfamiliar with too much if any advice on what I think they should do when I don't know the area they are running in. Especially if they have lived there a long time and have a job where they have talked to a lot of people.

Oh yeah, I agree with you on that, Danno. But, I also wish that the Democrats were against warmongering too and apparently they are not.

LibertyEagle
11-24-2009, 11:07 PM
Apparently Matt was booted from his position.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=2426252&postcount=3

Oyate
11-24-2009, 11:12 PM
That was from October 28th.... However, he was indeed ousted. http://politics.nashvillepost.com/2009/11/24/davidson-county-gop-ousts-controversial-vice-chair/

Well....I guess we know now.

jake
11-24-2009, 11:17 PM
sounds like Matt was a little too harsh :/ win people over with positives not negatives perhaps?

Malachi
11-24-2009, 11:28 PM
Matt should grow his hair back out and run for office as an indy.

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 11:32 PM
sounds like Matt was a little too harsh :/ win people over with positives not negatives perhaps?

nothing matt did really rises to the point of removing from office. this is typical republican/gop bs witch hunting for anyone not towing the neo-con bs gop line!

speciallyblend
11-24-2009, 11:32 PM
sounds like Matt was a little too harsh :/ win people over with positives not negatives perhaps?

telling the truth is never harsh , hell i have told gop leaders in colorado much worse and im still a registered republican. of course i held no office. i figured if anyone should be removed from a party . i have said enough to be removed as well!

hell if the gop keeps purging republicans they will be a marginalized 3rd party!

1836er
11-24-2009, 11:39 PM
wouldn't that be like saying every republican is a neo-con?? you should thank the gop for obama not the dems. the gop elected these dems because the gop lacks vision and issues. everyone should be more concerned with gop corruption then democrats that are not registered republicans. the problem is not obama but the gop.

As disappointing as the modern GOP is - and I agree we should be more concerned with GOP corruption than Dem corruption - I believe it is, unfortunately (for those of us trying to promote liberty within the two-party system), the only viable party to work through.

Amongst the sizable number of Republicans I know, many truly do think they believe in the principles of limited government, sticking to the Constitution, and promoting liberty. Furthermore, while many regular Republicans take specific positions on issues ranging from things like the "war" on drugs to foreign policy that many of us don't agree with and seem incongruous with their stated beliefs, I do think - stripped away of all the party politics - it is at least theoretically possible for a very large chunk of Republican voters to eventually change their minds on these things or even just decide that the things they disagree with us about don't matter as much as the things they agree with us about. I guess what I'm trying to say is, there actually is room in the GOP and "conservative" movement for folks like RP and Pat Buchanan to exist without being completely ostracized. This leads me to believe that there is still a remote possibility of eventually prevailing in the GOP or at least being able to eventually use it as a decently effective medium to promote liberty in the future. At least in theory, I think much of the GOP is still open to the possibility of promoting real liberty.

With the Democrats, on the other hand, they are completely lost to us. While there is at least a tiny bit of wiggle room on the "conservative" side of the fence in regard to the issues associated with this thread, when it comes to the Democrats there is absolutely ZERO wiggle room for the foundational principles of liberty to sneak in through when it comes to the core meaning of their coalition. At its core, the modern Democrat party (and every single Democrat - without fail - that I have ever known) has bought 100% entirely into the idea of using the coercive power of government - whether it comes in the form of 20th century progressivism, democratic socialism, fascism, or outright communism - to engineer their ideas of social and economic justice. I mean, while anti-war (and anti-drug "war") Republicans do exist, name me a single Democrat you've ever known who would - by comparison - ever be allowed to call for the dismantling of the welfare/regulatory state or the federal government being limited exclusively in its powers to those enumerated in Article I, Section VIII of the Constitution? Even if some of us might agree sometimes with the Democrats more than the Republican on foreign policy or drug "war"/other civil liberties issues... we have to remember for the Democrats these issues are merely distractions. Even when we occasionally agree with them on these things, we have to remember that the Democrats mainly care about these issues only so far as they can be used as tools to further their progressive/collectivist domestic agenda.

While the GOP (at least in theory) stills offers us potential converts and perhaps a breach through which to infiltrate our way into power, the Democrats - whose core meaning (progressivism/collectivism) is defined by the mutually exclusive antithesis of liberty - are our ultimate (even when the appear to be with us on specific issues) enemy.

TCE
11-24-2009, 11:45 PM
Should he Arianna Huffington it and resign?

LibertyEagle
11-24-2009, 11:46 PM
telling the truth is never harsh , hell i have told gop leaders in colorado much worse and im still a registered republican. of course i held no office. i figured if anyone should be removed from a party . i have said enough to be removed as well!

hell if the gop keeps purging republicans they will be a marginalized 3rd party!

He was not removed from the party; they voted to remove him as Vice-Chair.

amy31416
11-25-2009, 12:05 AM
He was not removed from the party; they voted to remove him as Vice-Chair.

Because he failed to win them over.

I know my opinion is harsh, but he needs to quit whining and figure out why he lost his vice-chair seat rather than trying to shove his person down other people's throats.

All I can speculate on is what I've seen him post here, and he can be a completely aloof, arrogant individual entirely lacking in the depth that attracted me to Ron Paul. That will not win many people over and thus my sympathy is quite limited.

speciallyblend
11-25-2009, 12:05 AM
He was not removed from the party; they voted to remove him as Vice-Chair.

i know, i was just saying if anyone should be removed from a party for expressing his opinion. i could be a prime example;) i have never held my words lightly and even had an ex senator try to slap me down for telling the truth about mar-mongering neo-cons in our party.

i find it odd they removed him from his position. but typical republican bs tactics for anyone that doesn't tow their war mongering big government republican gop bs!

euphemia
11-25-2009, 12:19 AM
I am a district delegate in the Davidson County Republican Party. I was one of the delegates who voted to elect Matt to office. I deeply resent the executive committee overriding the vote of the delegates.

I am so thoroughly sick of the Davidson County Republicans. They are the most stick in the mud, asleep at the wheel bunch of loser yahoos I've ever seen. To show you how powerful they are, just look at the record. They haven't had a viable candidate in the 5th US Congressional District in about 30 years.

By the way, I personally witnessed vote fraud at the county convention. The convention had to be reconvened at a later date, and in spite of valiant efforts by establishment party members to subvert the will of the delegates, Ron Paul Republicans hold more than one office. In fact, they took about half.

The Davidson County Republicans are a dead party talking. The reason Matt was removed had nothing to do with him, and everything to do with the fact that the establishment is grasping at straws, trying to look relevant.

dannno
11-25-2009, 12:23 AM
trying to shove his person down other people's throats.


hey we don't need to hear about your personal experiences :eek:

Austrian Econ Disciple
11-25-2009, 12:34 AM
If the GOP actually embraced libertarianism and Austrian Economics (Be it Nozick minarchism, or Rothbardian Anarcho-Capitalism), we could field viable candidates in every district. Liberty is an unifying message. Stick to principle and message and in 20 years we would have made 80% progress to the ends I would wager, however, made up that number is (irregardless we would be potently more free) :p

The Laws aren't in most cases rigged against the GOP, like it is for the Libertarian Party, and the LP certainly isn't Status Quo (In the two party paradigm) mainstay. If we all infiltrate the GOP; everyone at DailyPaul, here, FSP (pledges, included), YAL, SFL, CFL, etc. that would be a huge boost. I may be thinking about putting together something in the coming months. We'll see how it turns out and how's received, and would welcome all suggestions and participation. Remember, we all have a self-interest in liberty so let's prove how Human Action kicks ass :)

Matt Collins
11-25-2009, 12:36 AM
Because he failed to win them over.No, because the outcome was already decided before the event. In fact the outcome was decided MONTHS ago.


All I can speculate on is what I've seen him post here, and he can be a completely aloof, arrogant individual entirely lacking in the depth that attracted me to Ron Paul. That will not win many people over and thus my sympathy is quite limited.No, the chair couldn't control me because I wasn't in her little county-club social clique, and I also tried to make her follow the rules. And the State Party wanted me out because I was openly critical of Republicans in TN like Sen "Bailout Bob" Corker who refuses to allow 604 to pass, or Rep "ZigZag" Zach Wamp who voted for the bailout, or Knoxville "Ban'em" Bill Haslam who thinks everyone should ask permission from the government before owning a firearm.


Truth is treason in an empire of lies....

euphemia
11-25-2009, 12:37 AM
Because he failed to win them over.

I know my opinion is harsh, but he needs to quit whining and figure out why he lost his vice-chair seat rather than trying to shove his person down other people's throats.

All I can speculate on is what I've seen him post here, and he can be a completely aloof, arrogant individual entirely lacking in the depth that attracted me to Ron Paul. That will not win many people over and thus my sympathy is quite limited.

Maybe you need to know what you're talking about.

Actually, some districts (mine, included) were represented well at the convention for the first time because of what Matt was able to accomplish. If it wasn't for vote fraud, Matt would have been elected chair in the first election.

Romantarchist
11-25-2009, 12:39 AM
:(

So, what's next for Mr. Matt Collins?

Matt Collins
11-25-2009, 12:39 AM
nothing matt did really rises to the point of removing from office. this is typical republican/gop bs witch hunting for anyone not towing the neo-con bs gop line!Exactly. I did not break any bylaws or rules of the Party, the Chairwoman herself even admitted this. I am guilty of attempting to hold big-government Republicans accountable for their actions.

speciallyblend
11-25-2009, 01:24 AM
I am a district delegate in the Davidson County Republican Party. I was one of the delegates who voted to elect Matt to office. I deeply resent the executive committee overriding the vote of the delegates.

I am so thoroughly sick of the Davidson County Republicans. They are the most stick in the mud, asleep at the wheel bunch of loser yahoos I've ever seen. To show you how powerful they are, just look at the record. They haven't had a viable candidate in the 5th US Congressional District in about 30 years.

By the way, I personally witnessed vote fraud at the county convention. The convention had to be reconvened at a later date, and in spite of valiant efforts by establishment party members to subvert the will of the delegates, Ron Paul Republicans hold more than one office. In fact, they took about half.

The Davidson County Republicans are a dead party talking. The reason Matt was removed had nothing to do with him, and everything to do with the fact that the establishment is grasping at straws, trying to look relevant.

I hear you, the good news for our colorado convention is 1/3 of the delegates running were for Ron Paul, Bad News we only Won One:( (they actually blacklisted ron paul supporters with flyers at state as well as district,aka gop corruption) The Great News is the only energy in the republican party was the ron paul republicans. the cogop leaders refused to let our life-long republican(bonnie) speak for our huge presence at the convention. the cogop basically alienated 1/3 of the republicans at the convention. The great news is many other republicans saw this unethical and poor treatment(hence my anger and hatred for the corrupt cogop leadeship(dick wadhams and crew). The Ron Paul Republicans act on Ron Paul's platform,not the cogop leadership. the cogop leadership should be very fearful of this fact. If they do not run real candidates. They will lose in 2010/2012 in colorado. They are not filling the political vacuum with colorado voters or issues.

The only thing left in the gop that is positive is the ron paul republicans or i wouldn't be a registered republican. Our Ron Paul platform crosses party lines and attracts voters to Ron Paul and his clear message. The gop platform and message alienates voters and will continue to alienate voters. Ron Paul 2012(or a Pro-Peace/Pro-Liberty/Anti-drug war/Anti-War/Strong Defense and stopping 70plus yrs of propaganda and lies on marijuana 100% legalization. These are the issues that will unite and win. basically Ron Paul's platform will be the future of politics and you can count my vote on that as well as my family and kids!!

the gop can take that one to the bank! ps, as a first time republican ron paul delegate. I did pretty well on votes;) i think i have a good pulse on ron paul republicans and voters outside of the gop,due to my activist efforts in Colorado on several issues!

Austrian Econ Disciple
11-25-2009, 01:53 AM
I hear you, the good news for our colorado convention is 1/3 of the delegates running were for Ron Paul, Bad News we only Won One:( (they actually blacklisted ron paul supporters with flyers at state as well as district,aka gop corruption) The Great News is the only energy in the republican party was the ron paul republicans. the cogop leaders refused to let our life-long republican(bonnie) speak for our huge presence at the convention. the cogop basically alienated 1/3 of the republicans at the convention. The great news is many other republicans saw this unethical and poor treatment(hence my anger and hatred for the corrupt cogop leadeship(dick wadhams and crew). The Ron Paul Republicans act on Ron Paul's platform,not the cogop leadership. the cogop leadership should be very fearful of this fact. If they do not run real candidates. They will lose in 2010/2012 in colorado. They are not filling the political vacuum with colorado voters or issues.

The only thing left in the gop that is positive is the ron paul republicans or i wouldn't be a registered republican. Our Ron Paul platform crosses party lines and attracts voters to Ron Paul and his clear message. The gop platform and message alienates voters and will continue to alienate voters. Ron Paul 2012(or a Pro-Peace/Pro-Liberty/Anti-drug war/Anti-War/Strong Defense and stopping 70plus yrs of propaganda and lies on marijuana 100% legalization. These are the issues that will unite and win. basically Ron Paul's platform will be the future of politics and you can count my vote on that as well as my family and kids!!

the gop can take that one to the bank! ps, as a first time republican ron paul delegate. I did pretty well on votes;) i think i have a good pulse on ron paul republicans and voters outside of the gop,due to my activist efforts in Colorado on several issues!

Take heart and read Murray Rothbard, Ron Pauls' lifelong best friend until his death in 1995. You will strengthen your conviction, cause, and principle. Secondly, since you are more than all likely a minarchist, read some Nozick. He eloquently states the minarchist position that challenges the heart of anarcho-capitalism (Not the economics, it mostly comes down to law and enforcement).

Read Anarchy, State, Utopia by Nozick. It will give you a strong foundation for minarchism (However, it is up to you which you believe is the better philosophy between Nozick and Rothbard in your educational travels). This, I believe the intellectual and philosophical heart of the revolution is why we will win, and because liberty is the unifying force for humanity. Good luck in Colorado!

Pauls' Revere
11-25-2009, 01:55 AM
Well, I think the question is:

Has the GOP where he's at changed enough to accept him?

To that end I think they have not.

Matt Collins
11-26-2009, 11:57 AM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2427953