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bobbyw24
11-20-2009, 05:11 AM
US lawmakers: New tax should pay for Afghan war
Nov 19 07:59 PM US/Eastern
Influential US lawmakers on Thursday called for levying a new income tax to pay for the war in Afghanistan, warning its costs pose a mortal threat to efforts like a sweeping health care overhaul.

"Regardless of whether one favors the war or not, if it is to be fought, it ought to be paid for," the lawmakers, all prominent Democratic allies of Obama, said in a joint statement on the "Share The Sacrifice Act of 2010."

The proposal came with US President Barack Obama set to announce within weeks his decision on whether to send more US troops to fight the war, now in its ninth year.

The group included House Appropriations Committee Chairman Dave Obey; Representative John Murtha, who chair that panel's defense subcommittee; and House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank.

The proposal, a heavily symbolic measure seen as having next to no chance of becoming law, would impose a war surtax on income beginning in 2011 -- though it would allow the president to delay implementation by one year upon deciding the US economy is too weak to sustain such a tax shift.

It would also exempt members of the US military who have served in combat since the September 11, 2001 terrorist strikes, their families, and families of soldiers who died as a result of combat.

"The only people who?ve paid any price for our military involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan are our military families," the lawmakers said. "We believe that if this war is to be fought, it?s only fair that everyone share the burden."

If the war is not paid for, its costs "will devour money that could be used to rebuild our economy by fixing our broken health care system, expanding educational opportunities and job training possibilities, attacking our long term energy problems and building stronger communities," they said.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.576fbe511bc4fc86a0cf12c44786d1e d.e81&show_article=1&catnum=3

Pepsi
11-20-2009, 05:19 AM
Throw the hypocrite bums out of office.

U.S. lawmakers have a financial interest in military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, a review of their accounts has revealed.

Members of Congress invested nearly 196 million dollars of their own money in companies that receive hundreds of millions of dollars a day from Pentagon contracts to provide goods and services to U.S. armed forces, say nonpartisan watchdog groups.

David Petraeus, the top U.S. general in Iraq, is to brief the Senate Foreign Relations and Armed Services committees on Tuesday and Wednesday. The latest findings are unlikely to have a significant impact on this week's proceedings but could stoke anti-incumbent sentiment in this year of presidential and legislative elections.

Lawmakers charged with overseeing Pentagon contractors hold stock in those very firms, as do vocal critics of the war in Iraq, says the Centre for Responsive Politics (CRP).

Senator John Kerry, the Democrat from Massachusetts who staked his 2004 presidential bid in part on his opposition to the war, tops the list of investors. His holdings in firms with Pentagon contracts of at least five million dollars stood at between 28.9 million dollars and 38.2 million dollars as of Dec. 31, 2006. Kerry sits on the Senate foreign relations panel.

Members of Congress are required to report their personal finances every year but only need to state their assets in broad ranges.

Other top investors include Representative Rodney Frelinghuysen, a New Jersey Republican with holdings of 12.1 million - 49.1 million dollars; Rep. Robin Hayes, a North Carolina Republican (9.2 million - 37.1 million dollars); Republican Rep. James Sensenbrenner Jr. of Wisconsin (5.2 million - 7.6 million dollars); and Rep. Jane Harman, a California Democrat (2.7 million - 6.3 million dollars).

Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the Democrat and former governor of West Virginia who chairs the Senate Select Intelligence Committee, invested some 2.0 million dollars in Pentagon contractors, CRP says.

Other panel chiefs who invested in defence firms include Sen. Joseph Lieberman, the Connecticut Independent who presides over the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and Rep. Howard Berman, the California Democrat who heads the House Foreign Affairs Committee.

In all, 151 current members of Congress -- more than one-fourth of the total -- have invested between 78.7 million dollars and 195.5 million dollars in companies that received defence contracts of at least 5.0 million dollars, according to CRP.

These companies received more than 275.6 billion dollars from the government in 2006, or 755 million dollars per day, says budget watchdog group OMB Watch.

The investments yielded lawmakers 15.8 million - 62 million dollars in dividend income, capital gains, royalties, and interest from 2004 through 2006, says CRP.

Not all the firms deal in arms or military equipment. Some make soft drinks or medical supplies and military contracts represent a small fraction of their revenues. Many are leaders in their industries and, as such, feature in the investment portfolios of millions of ordinary people who invest at least a portion of their savings in mutual funds, which in turn hold stocks in up to hundreds of companies.

"Giant corporations outside of the defence sector, such as Pepsico, IBM, Microsoft and Johnson & Johnson, have received defence contracts and are all popular investments for both members of Congress and the general public," says CRP.

"So common are these companies, both as personal investments and as defence contractors, it would appear difficult to build a diverse blue-chip stock portfolio without at least some of them," the group acknowledges.

If some of the stocks appear innocent, aides say legislators also are. Some did not buy the stocks in question but inherited them. Many hold them in blind trusts, so called because the investments are handled by independent entities, at least theoretically without the politicians' knowledge of how their assets are being managed.

Even so, according to CRP, owning stock in companies under contract with the Pentagon could prove "problematic for members of Congress who sit on committees that oversee defence policy and budgeting."

Members of the Senate Foreign Relations and Armed Services committees held 3.0 million - 5.1 million dollars in companies specialising in weapons and other exclusively military goods and services, it added.

Critics have assailed President George W. Bush and Vice President Richard Cheney for their ties to companies seen as benefiting from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Bush was characterised as pushing conflict in the interest of the oil fraternity whence he hailed.

Before becoming vice president, Cheney headed Halliburton, a major player in the oil services industry and the object of controversies involving political connections, government contracts, and business ethics.

Halliburton's subsidiary, Kellogg Brown & Root, was given multi-billion-dollar contracts to provide construction, hospitality, and other services to the U.S. military following the 2003 invasion of Iraq. The contracts drew fire because of Cheney's history and then-ongoing financial relationship with the firm, and because the company did not have to compete for the Pentagon's business. The firm was renamed KBR Inc. after Halliburton spun it off last year.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/08/8155

Austrian Econ Disciple
11-20-2009, 06:43 AM
Hey, who knew there was this thing called equal protection under the law....I guess soldiers are first-class citizens, and regular folks are second-class...Oh wait. Politicians are first-class, Soldiers second, and regular folks lowly third-class citizens. What a perverse notion of what law is supposed to be.

I can't believe John Murtha got re-elected. If you needed any reason to be against any semblance of Democracy you have your answer in John Murtha....

We need a second enlightenment. The world is going to hell in a hand-basket. Keep reading and keep vigilant folks!

Oh and I never want to hear anyone say that the Democrats are anti-war, EVER. They have never been Anti-war. GOP have traditionally been Anti-War and non-interventionist, so let's keep pounding that drum beat into the GOP and stay vigilant. War is the precipitation for the greatest increases in the State and the worst atrocities against liberty.

phill4paul
11-20-2009, 05:45 PM
"Share The Sacrifice Act of 2010." A you freaking kidding me...."share the sacrifice?" What the hell are these self-centered idiots on about about sharing. They have never had to "sacrifice." Throw the bums out.

tangent4ronpaul
11-20-2009, 07:53 PM
The group included House Appropriations Committee Chairman Dave Obey; Representative John Murtha, who chair that panel's defense subcommittee; and House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank.

Aren't these the same ppl that had questionable investments in defense industries that profit over contracts they award?


The proposal, a heavily symbolic measure seen as having next to no chance of becoming law, would impose a war surtax on income beginning in 2011 -- though it would allow the president to delay implementation by one year upon deciding the US economy is too weak to sustain such a tax shift.



Starting in 2011 or 2012 - that kind of implies the plan is to stay there a WHILE! :(

Symbolic, or not - if we have no choice about paying for it, it seems like it would be better to pay for it now and feel the pain rather than having it added to the debt and having to pay for it later + interest.

-t

HOLLYWOOD
11-20-2009, 08:11 PM
Throw the hypocrite bums out of office.

Members of Congress invested nearly 196 million dollars of their own money in companies that receive hundreds of millions of dollars a day from Pentagon contracts to provide goods and services to U.S. armed forces, say nonpartisan watchdog groups.


Senator John Kerry, the Democrat from Massachusetts who staked his 2004 presidential bid in part on his opposition to the war, tops the list of investors. His holdings in firms with Pentagon contracts of at least five million dollars stood at between 28.9 million dollars and 38.2 million dollars as of Dec. 31, 2006. Kerry sits on the Senate foreign relations panel.

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/08/8155

^^^^^ Let Me Point OUT

John Kerry, as recently as last week in commenting about Barack Obama's pending decision about the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, that John Kerry backs BO to escalating the wars to win and with additional troops.

This in my opinion is absolute corruption, Fraud, and Racketeering by Congress members doing this... plus pretty hypocritical of the Vietnam Vet. I guess he wants his cut, just like the old bosses.

The Immorality of this country originates and reinforced from Washington DC.

LibForestPaul
11-20-2009, 08:16 PM
impose a war surtax on income beginning in 2011

So Ron Paul will get his declaration of war after all?

tangent4ronpaul
11-20-2009, 08:24 PM
So Ron Paul will get his declaration of war after all?

Against who? - far as I can tell the Taliban are not in control of Afghanistan any more. To declare war, you need a sovereign nation to declare it against...

-t

Reason
11-21-2009, 02:57 AM
maybe if they made a tax for the war people might care enough to demand an end to it?

$>innocent life when it comes to voters.

Kotin
11-21-2009, 03:23 AM
*head explodes*