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LibertyEagle
11-17-2009, 11:40 AM
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Hate America? Count Me Out!
by Chuck Baldwin
September 11, 2009


On this 8th anniversary of the attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, it behooves me to comment on the spirit of hatred that seems to motivate many people in and out of our great land. That the supporters and disciples of Vladimir Lenin, Karl Marx, Joseph Stalin, Leon Trotsky, Mao Tse-tung, and Adolf Hitler would hate America is understandable. Communism, socialism, and fascism are diametrically opposed to everything the United States was founded upon. Therefore, it is not surprising that people who espouse the tenets of these "isms" would exude hatred for America--at least for the America of our forebears. What is most disconcerting, however, is the number of people within our country (and I don't mean illegal aliens) who harbor hatred in their hearts for our beloved land.

To be sure, one can count me in with those who hate the manner in which the international banking cartel has wormed its way into the inner workings of our federal government. I hate the condescending, elitist attitudes of many in higher education. I hate the way globalists--such as David Rockefeller and his ilk--have been able to use the federal government to promote and safeguard their own private financial and political agendas. I hate the way secularists in public education and private organizations--such as the ACLU, People For the American Way, the Anti Defamation League, etc.--have been able to strip our culture of its Christian heritage. I hate the way politicians from both parties in Washington, D.C., ignore and trample the U.S. Constitution. I hate the way professing Christians and "conservatives" turn a blind eye and deaf ear to the warmongering, police-state mentality of many within the national Republican Party. I hate the way Nancy Pelosi and her gaggle of liberal Democrats use their power to promote socialism in America. I hate the liberal bias of the mainstream news media. I hate the so-called "political correctness" that permeates the philosophy of virtually every major organization in America these days. I hate the attempts by liberals and "do-gooders" of all stripes to take away my right to keep and bear arms. And, yes, I hate the way America's foreign policy has been manipulated by foreign lobbyists, socialists within the United Nations, and international business interests.

With all of that said, however, if you hate America, count me out!

If Canaan was the Promised Land for Old Testament Israel, America was an earthly Promised Land for Christians and lovers of liberty. In the Providence of God, America was established by the right people, at the right time, and for the right purpose. With all its shortcomings, the U.S. Constitution--along with the Bill of Rights--is the greatest governing document ever devised by man. And the Declaration of Independence is the greatest birth certificate a nation ever had.

In fact, without the freedom and liberty protected by a 200-year history of constitutional government, all those anti-America, anti-Constitution, and anti-Founding Fathers critics out there could not even exist! As God gives the atheist the breath he uses to blaspheme his Creator, so, too, the Constitution protects the right of America-haters to foment their delirium.

I do find it demonstrably hypocritical, however, for these 21st Century preachers to condemn America's Founding Fathers as being disobedient to Romans 13, only to turn around and celebrate Independence Day--and even conduct patriotic services in their churches. Even more egregious is the way these same preachers who condemn the 13 colonies in their fight for independence against the British Crown so quickly take up the war cry for military aggression all over the world. Obviously, inconsistency is one of the most consistent trademarks of Pharisaism.

The problem today is not that America is intrinsically bad. The principles of religious liberty, State sovereignty, Natural Law, self-government, and federalism are as righteous and good today as they were in 1776. The problem today is that the American people have lost touch with these principles and have allowed those who deny these principles to gain ascendancy within our land. The problem is, the America that was created 233 years ago is being supplanted with new doctrines and ideas. In fact, the doctrines and ideas prevalent today are really nothing new: they are the same antiquated doctrines of centralism and collectivism from which the 13 Colonies broke free so long ago.

So, I say it proudly and loudly: I love the America our Founding Fathers bequeathed to us. I love our republican form of government. I love America's Christian heritage. I love the principles of federalism and constitutional government. I love the Declaration of Independence. I love the Bill of Rights. I love what our flag represents: a united federation of states. I love the examples of sacrifices made at Bunker Hill, Lexington Green, and Concord Bridge. I love the resolve and dedication of the colonial patriot-preachers known as the Black Regiment [1]. I love the combined wisdom, courage, and commitment to liberty demonstrated by George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, Sam Adams, Patrick Henry, James Otis, Joseph Warren, James Madison, John Jay, et al.

My criticisms and condemnations are reserved for those who would remove America from her roots, who would strip her of her principles, and who would destroy the fabric of her foundation. Don't think for one minute that because I loathe those who are trying to merge America into an international New World Order or are working to dismantle constitutional government or are attempting to turn America into a socialist state, that I am in league with those who, in their hearts, hate America. I claim no brotherhood with them, for they hate what I love.

[1] To read my column regarding the Black Regiment that is published exclusively in the current edition of The New American magazine, go here:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/history/american/1789

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dannno
11-17-2009, 11:45 AM
Can I hate the way that a national socialist foisted a daily mandatory pledge of allegiance to the flag onto our children without hating America?

BuddyRey
11-17-2009, 11:58 AM
I love the American people, but I do, in fact, hate America. There, I said it.

Meatwasp
11-17-2009, 12:12 PM
I hate people who are eating away on America but I don't hate my beloved America. All those that do please move to another country.

dannno
11-17-2009, 12:17 PM
I hate people who are eating away on America but I don't hate my beloved America. All those that do please move to another country.

Look, America is the most tyrannical, imperialist force around the globe. The REASON is because we had the most wealth a few decades ago and the elitists used our country for their nefarious purposes. I'm sorry if you are not aware of all the horrible things that have been done in the name of our country, but to ignore those things and to only talk about how great "America" is, well that's just kinda ridiculous. We should be touting the principles our country was founded on. We should be talking about the good things about our country.. but we should also recognize the HORRIBLE ATROCITIES that our country has caused across the globe, and if you don't recognize them then you are ignoring them. When you willfully ignore something that is called being ignorant. Ignorance is no way to restore liberty in America. Liberty can only be restored through truth.

LibertyEagle
11-17-2009, 12:27 PM
I love the American people, but I do, in fact, hate America. There, I said it.

The American people are part of America.

Hate the people populating our government. Don't hate the country.

LibertyEagle
11-17-2009, 12:30 PM
Look, America is the most tyrannical, imperialist force around the globe. The REASON is because we had the most wealth a few decades ago and the elitists used our country for their nefarious purposes. I'm sorry if you are not aware of all the horrible things that have been done in the name of our country, but to ignore those things and to only talk about how great "America" is, well that's just kinda ridiculous. We should be touting the principles our country was founded on. We should be talking about the good things about our country.. but we should also recognize the HORRIBLE ATROCITIES that our country has caused across the globe, and if you don't recognize them then you are ignoring them. When you willfully ignore something that is called being ignorant. Ignorance is no way to restore liberty in America. Liberty can only be restored through truth.

It is what our government has become that you hate! Hating the country is just falling for the crap that the elitist pigs who are trying to bring down our country WANT you to fall for? Don't you get it?

Meatwasp
11-17-2009, 12:33 PM
Look, America is the most tyrannical, imperialist force around the globe. The REASON is because we had the most wealth a few decades ago and the elitists used our country for their nefarious purposes. I'm sorry if you are not aware of all the horrible things that have been done in the name of our country, but to ignore those things and to only talk about how great "America" is, well that's just kinda ridiculous. We should be touting the principles our country was founded on. We should be talking about the good things about our country.. but we should also recognize the HORRIBLE ATROCITIES that our country has caused across the globe, and if you don't recognize them then you are ignoring them. When you willfully ignore something that is called being ignorant. Ignorance is no way to restore liberty in America. Liberty can only be restored through truth.

Let me say this again. I hate people who are eating away on our beloved country. That means all those few groups that destroyed our founding fathers vision of America. America was beautiful when the Indians lived here. America can still be beautiful.

LibertyEagle
11-17-2009, 12:35 PM
This is a serious problem, people. If you hate this country so much, what in hell are you doing here? Seriously, I don't get it. Because I thought most of us were fighting to reinstate the principles upon which this country was founded. That is what Ron Paul is fighting for.

I ask this, not as a Mod, BTW.

Meatwasp
11-17-2009, 12:38 PM
This is a serious problem, people. If you hate this country so much, what in hell are you doing here? Seriously, I don't get it. Because I thought most of us were fighting to reinstate the principles upon which this country was founded. That is what Ron Paul is fighting for.

I ask this, not as a Mod, BTW.

You are so right LE as usual.

dannno
11-17-2009, 12:46 PM
It is what our government has become that you hate! Hating the country is just falling for the crap that the elitist pigs who are trying to bring down our country WANT you to fall for? Don't you get it?

What is our country? The people? The land? A just and principled Constitution that only one person in our elected government of about 500 follows?

I mean, part of the problem is that the elite have been able to manipulate and control the majority of the population into a collectivist society that likes to judge other countries and their leaders based on a perceived version presented to them by a controlled media.. Then they take our wealth and resources to go steal from them along with others who they don't even tell us about.. I certainly don't blame the people for following human instinct, which is what the propaganda is designed to play off of.. but it's nothing to celebrate, either..

I do admit the land is quite nice and very suitable for habitation.

Grimnir Wotansvolk
11-17-2009, 12:47 PM
This is a serious problem, people. If you hate this country so much, what in hell are you doing here? Seriously, I don't get it. Because I thought most of us were fighting to reinstate the principles upon which this country was founded. That is what Ron Paul is fighting for.

I ask this, not as a Mod, BTW.Given that America was built on the principles of secession, whats wrong with wanting to see the beast broken up into several pieces?

I just don't understand this fetish for geographical territories. If you look at a topographic map of north america, you'd be hard pressed to point out the divisions between U.S.A., Mexico, and Canada. These things are just illusions; legal fictions.

Cowlesy
11-17-2009, 12:50 PM
I don't know, I just shrug and think if you hate America then maybe just get the fuck out?

I'm probably making it far too simple.

Icymudpuppy
11-17-2009, 12:52 PM
Love my Country. Hate my Government. I think the majority of everyone in the whole world feels this way. I know Iraqis love Iraq, but hate the puppets in power right now. I know Afghanis love their little valleys, but hate Karzai.

Politicians, are like diapers. They should be changed frequently for the same reasons.

dannno
11-17-2009, 12:52 PM
I think the bottom line is there are plenty of people who may be perceived as "America haters" who ultimately want to see America succeed.. just not at what we are doing right now.. Anybody who is upset about the direction of our country can be seen by some as "America haters" when clearly they just have a different vision for America.

LibertyEagle
11-17-2009, 12:52 PM
Given that America was built on the principles of secession, whats wrong with wanting to see the beast broken up into several pieces?

I just don't understand this fetish for geographical territories. If you look at a topographic map of north america, you'd be hard pressed to point out the divisions between U.S.A., Mexico, and Canada. These things are just illusions; legal fictions.

Perhaps you should ask one of the millions of people who have risked everything to cross that "legal fiction" called a border, into this country called the United States.

LibertyEagle
11-17-2009, 12:56 PM
I think the bottom line is there are plenty of people who may be perceived as "America haters" who ultimately want to see America succeed.. just not at what we are doing right now.. Anybody who is upset about the direction of our country can be seen by some as "America haters" when clearly they just have a different vision for America.

That's why some are preaching about returning to the principles upon which this country was founded and painting a picture of what life would look like. INSTEAD of coming across as an America-hater. Because that will not be greeted well and will be hard to distinguish from others who actually DO hate America and everything that it ever was. For example, CP-USA. Talking like them will backfire, unless some of you guys actually do agree with them. In which case....

dannno
11-17-2009, 12:57 PM
I don't know, I just shrug and think if you hate America then maybe just get the fuck out?

I'm probably making it far too simple.

I welcome anybody who doesn't like what our tyrannical government is doing. Anybody who favors liberty over tyranny can do more to help stop it here than they can in another country. The path our country takes will likely affect other countries more than the path those other countries choose to take. So why would one leave America if tyranny is global? Maybe somebody hates America and all other countries, but they hate America the least and want to see it become a freedom loving nation again?

Also, if you legally leave America, our government will attempt to collect taxes from you in your new country. You can't really "leave", we're slaves to the state.

heavenlyboy34
11-17-2009, 12:57 PM
The American people are part of America.

Hate the people populating our government. Don't hate the country.

+a zillion :cool:

dannno
11-17-2009, 01:04 PM
That's why some are preaching about returning to the principles upon which this country was founded and painting a picture of what life would look like. INSTEAD of coming across as an America-hater. .

Ron Paul comes across as an America-hater to a lot of self-proclaimed patriotic Americans, but we know that he is attempting to make us a much better country than what those other self-proclaimed patriots will lead us to.

Instead of being afraid of standing up to a tyrannical government in fear that others will think we are America haters, some of us choose to educate people about what our government has done to our country.. sometimes that comes off as having negative views of our country, but what are you going to do?

I dunno, whenever I talk to people about politics, I'm always sure to paint a picture of what a liberty minded, free market society would actually help us accomplish as far as producing more of what we need, lowering prices, decreasing pollution and poverty, etc. Seems like as long as you are trying to make America a better place you can't really be accused of being an America hater by anyone who is being reasonable.

LibertyEagle
11-17-2009, 01:24 PM
Ron Paul comes across as an America-hater to a lot of self-proclaimed patriotic Americans, but we know that he is attempting to make us a much better country than what those other self-proclaimed patriots will lead us to.

Instead of being afraid of standing up to a tyrannical government in fear that others will think we are America haters, some of us choose to educate people about what our government has done to our country.. sometimes that comes off as having negative views of our country, but what are you going to do?

I dunno, whenever I talk to people about politics, I'm always sure to paint a picture of what a liberty minded, free market society would actually help us accomplish as far as producing more of what we need, lowering prices, decreasing pollution and poverty, etc. Seems like as long as you are trying to make America a better place you can't really be accused of being an America hater by anyone who is being reasonable.

Tell me, if you were not as aware of what is going on as you are, tell me, what would you think if you saw someone say this?


I love the American people, but I do, in fact, hate America. There, I said it.

Because, I am telling you that most people, and a heck of a lot of them good people, will run away from us as fast as they can. And I couldn't blame them one bit.


Ron Paul comes across as an America-hater to a lot of self-proclaimed patriotic Americans, but we know that he is attempting to make us a much better country than what those other self-proclaimed patriots will lead us to.
Yes and that is one reason why perception is so important. Rand words things much better than his father and that is extremely important. Because if people misunderstand what you are saying, it matters little whether you are wrong or right in what you were trying to get across.