Did Doug Hoffman Really Win NY23?

[RonPaulFanInGA]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/its_not_over_recanvassing_shows_ny23_race.html

[specsaregood]

hrmmm


Jerry Eaton, the Republican elections commissioner for Jefferson County, said inspectors found a problem in four districts where Hoffman’s vote total was mistakenly entered as zero.

[New York For Paul]

The republicans are more incompetent than I thought. Don't they have poll watchers to monitor problems?

If they are this stupid, Ron Paul forces can take over the party.

[erowe1]

The republicans are more incompetent than I thought. Don't they have poll watchers to monitor problems?

If they are this stupid, Ron Paul forces can take over the party.

No. They're smart. They didn't want Hoffman to win. They were just forced into endorsing him when they're candidate lost. But when Scozzafava endorsed Owens she spoke for the entire GOP leadership. The two major parties would much rather share power taking turns defeating one another than let in third parties, even if those third party candidates are closer to them in their superficial ideologies.

[Dianne]

Wow, this is very interesting. Let's hope he pulls out the win. Too late on the kill american bill the slime bags past last weekend, but at least we would have a conservative win.

[paulitics]

Remember guys. The republcians did NOT want Hoffman to win. Not saying anything funny happened, but often times with close races things are made to happen.

[ctiger2]

It's pretty obvious some kind of fraud/cheating was involved. Hopefully, they honestly straighten it out and Hoffman wins.

[Truth-Bringer]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/its_not_over_recanvassing_shows_ny23_race.html

Great news. Thanks for posting. Would be hilarious if Owens gets removed from office.

Too bad Hoffman didn't contest immediately and prevent his swearing in for the health care vote.

[angelatc]

Great news. Thanks for posting. Would be hilarious if Owens gets removed from office.

Too bad Hoffman didn't contest immediately and prevent his swearing in for the health care vote.

Not only did he not protest, he conceded. I don't know what that means, if anything.

[New York For Paul]

You can't lump all republican together. Some republicans wanted Hoffman to win and some wanted the liberal to win.

Some Republican committees were bound to certain extent to support the nominee. Although, they didn't have to be so zealous about it. Like spending 900K.

Newt had less of an excuse for supporting the liberal. He is a private citizen.

NRCC had the most blame for this. RNC may have sandbagged at the last minute since the RNC has many more things to worry about and to keep track of.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Yes Hoffman WON... it's just the ignorance of the voters not to see through all the games and BS in-stewed upon them by the Duopoly's stranglehold and indoctrination as the only selections and ideologies. Voting the 2 party lines.

I'm still think Hoffman is too aloof for a politician running against the flamboyancy and tactics of the mafioso party politics.

Remember message is one thing... Marketing and Sales complete a political victory.

[erowe1]

Wow, this is very interesting. Let's hope he pulls out the win. Too late on the kill american bill the slime bags past last weekend, but at least we would have a conservative win.

A social conservative, but not a fiscal one, and certainly not a constitutionalist or small government advocate. Hoffman is basically the same as Huckabee.

[erowe1]

You can't lump all republican together. Some republicans wanted Hoffman to win and some wanted the liberal to win.

Some Republican committees were bound to certain extent to support the nominee. Although, they didn't have to be so zealous about it. Like spending 900K.

Newt had less of an excuse for supporting the liberal. He is a private citizen.

NRCC had the most blame for this. RNC may have sandbagged at the last minute since the RNC has many more things to worry about and to keep track of.

It's true that you can't lump together all the ordinary citizens who identify themselves as Republicans. But the party isn't defined by them. It's defined by the insiders who make the party's rules and platform and set before those unwashed masses the "Republican" choices they want them to have. And those people you can group together. It is, after all, a political party, and not an ideology. The two major parties don't exist for the purpose of advancing agendas rooted in philosophical differences, they exist to advance their own power. For the Republican party (which, again, is the establishment, not the masses), the only goal is to fill seats with people with R's after their names.

When Newt endorsed Scozzafava, he may have sacrificed his reputation among the lay folk who mistakenly thought he was a conservative, but at the same time he shored up his reputation with the people who make up the good ole' boys network behind closed doors. He took one for the team, and you can be sure he's keeping score and there are people out there (much bigger people than Scozzafava herself) who owe him. Once the GOP realized that it couldn't get the seat, it became their goal that the Democrat get it. They are much more interested in the arrangement of alternating rule in the ever growing government with the other major party than they are with someone of a third party who is closer to the ideology they pretend to stand for.

So then Scozzafava herself took one for team. Hoffman would have won a three-way race, with the liberal vote divided between the major parties. But he couldn't win a two-way race with the liberals united behind Owens and his only support coming from social conservatives with fiscal conservatives not having anyone in the race for them to back. You can also be sure that she's keeping score, and there are people in the party (people who outwardly endorsed Hoffman in the end but behind closed doors are glad he lost) who now owe her for taking one for the team too.

[Flash]

A social conservative, but not a fiscal one, and certainly not a constitutionalist or small government advocate. Hoffman is basically the same as Huckabee.

Would he have voted to limit the size of government more than his Republican & Democratic opponents? Obviously.

[erowe1]

Would he have voted to limit the size of government more than his Republican & Democratic opponents? Obviously.

Fiscally he was pretty much identical to Scozzafava, as far as I could tell. And even if he was marginally less bad, he still was not for shrinking government so much as he was for growing it less slowly. But I don't even think that's a very good test for a politician anyway. If the only difference between two candidates is that one will grow government so quickly that it will shock people into realizing something is wrong and the other one will grow it slowly so that we don't realize how big government is getting over time until we wake up in the equivalent of East Germany wondering where our freedoms went, I frankly would prefer the former. I'm one of those wackos who thinks we're probably better off with Obama in office than we would have been if McCain had won--and McCain was not as fiscally liberal as the Hoffman equivalent of the 2008 presidential race, Mike Huckabee.

[angelatc]

Remember message is one thing... Marketing and Sales complete a political victory.

Frank Luntz ftw?

I don't disagree.

[Dianne]

I love the fast swearing in of Owens to rape Americans.... wonder how much that red faced bastard got paid by Bitchlosi to vote for her subsidize the world medical care plan... if not go to jail? Does that mean her greedy ass gonna go off of subsidized congressional perks to pay for her own and go to jail? Actually that is where she belongs... so lets hope so.

[Number19]

Please keep this thread updated over the next few weeks with ongoing news and updates.

[Rekonn]

LINK (http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7824:ny-23-election-not-over-yet&catid=60:st-lawrence-news&Itemid=175)

"As it stands now, Bill Owens may be in Washington and voting the Pelosi Party line but when the vote is certified he may be ousted. The state Board of Elections indicated that "...all ballots will be counted, and if the result changes, Owens will have to be removed." Concession speech or not, if the voters in the 23rd District elected Doug Hoffman and not Bill Owens, then Hoffman will be the Representative."