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max
10-02-2007, 02:24 PM
Perhaps this should be stickied?

This is a done deal for mid to late October. The only question is how many inserts will be running.

It depends upon the fundraising. Every $43 gets us 1000 b/w inserts including....We're going with single sided version of Lord Xar's white background version. (Xar..if you're reading, I need you to re-send me the link, or post it here in pdf)...U CAN VIEW THE FOUNDING FATHERS INSERT IN THIS THREAD http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=16701

If anyone here isn't comfortable donating, feel free to write me offline and I'll be happy to provide my full name, address, telephone, mother's maiden name and life story. : )

You can all post your donation amounts into chip-in.com in order to keep everything transparent.
http://newhampshire.chipin.com/new-hampshire-inserts

The ad rep at the New Hampshire Union leader is Amy (she handles political ads)

My paypal account is buymearose15@aol.com If you prefer to send check, write me offline. You can also donate at http://newhampshire.chipin.com/new-hampshire-inserts

So far, we have $130 specifically earmarked towards this project with others who pledged to give after the thermometer contest was over

New hampshire is HUGE, and this flyer is really powerful.....Lets make some noise!

Thanks

Sematary
10-02-2007, 02:26 PM
Perhaps this should be stickied?

This is a done deal for mid to late October. The only question is how many inserts will be running.

It depends upon the fundraising. Every $43 gets us 1000 inserts. We're going with single sided version of Lord Xar's white background version. (Xar..if you're reading, I need you to re-send me the link, or post it here in pdf)

If anyone here isn't comfortable donating, feel free to write me offline and I'll be happy to provide my full name, address, telephone, mother's maiden name and life story. : )

You can all post your donation amounts into this thread in order to keep everything transparent.

The ad rep at the New Hampshire Union leader is Amy (she handles political ads)

My paypal account is buymearose15@aol.com If you prefer to send check, write me offline. You can also donate at http://ronpaulpostcards.com/donate.html

So far, we have $130 specifically earmarked towards this project with others who pledged to give after the thermometer contest was over

New hampshire is HUGE, and this flyer is really powerful.....Lets make some noise!

Thanks

How much is a full run?

M.Bellmore
10-02-2007, 02:27 PM
What's on the other side of the flyer?

max
10-02-2007, 02:28 PM
How much is a full run?

TOTAL CIRCULATION IS ABOUT 100,000,,,,,so that would be about $4,300

Green Mountain Boy
10-02-2007, 02:28 PM
Perhaps you could create a Chip-In account for this?

Highmesa
10-02-2007, 02:28 PM
Question, Max.

I think this is a great idea, but why wouldn't you try to do it closer to the primary?

Maybe you are intending to do it again?

max
10-02-2007, 02:29 PM
What's on the other side of the flyer?

doing 1 side only in order to maximize circulation...2 sides is almost twice as much...

max
10-02-2007, 02:29 PM
Question, Max.

I think this is a great idea, but why wouldn't you try to do it closer to the primary?

Maybe you are intending to do it again?


Exactly!...repetition is key in advertsing....I would like to do December as well with a different flyer perhaps

Sematary
10-02-2007, 02:30 PM
doing 1 side only in order to maximize circulation...2 sides is almost twice as much...

I think you should do the chipin thing too. It will give people a graphical look at the donations.

max
10-02-2007, 02:32 PM
I think you should do the chipin thing too. It will give people a graphical look at the donations.

How does chip in work?

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 02:36 PM
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/liberty_08/openletter_noback.jpg

He has a link to the high-res version of this, which is what you would want, in Campaign Literature on this forum. Look for Lord Xar's treasure chest. It's stickied in Campaign Literature, here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=16701

Green Mountain Boy
10-02-2007, 02:36 PM
How does chip in work?

It's very simple. Just follow the directions. http://www.chipin.com/

SpicyItalian739
10-02-2007, 02:39 PM
Exactly!...repetition is key in advertsing....I would like to do December as well with a different flyer perhaps

This is very true! As my mother once said (right before the IRS sent her a bill for $20,000 and bankrupt my parents and their newly started home business):

"You don't order a pizza every time you get coupons in the mail do you? No, but eventually you get them enough and one day decide on ordering a pizza."

Think about it folks. We do need to hit NH repeatedly! Start up that chipin account and Ill be donating whatever I can muster.

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 02:45 PM
I'm with ya, Max. Let's get it done. :)

Thank you, by the way.

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 02:58 PM
Nevermind.

DrNoZone
10-02-2007, 02:58 PM
Wow, that's a great ad! Though, I think you should find a way to highlight RP's name better.

max
10-02-2007, 03:02 PM
i just set up chip in account...every $43 gets us 1000



http://newhampshire.chipin.com/new-hampshire-inserts

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 03:05 PM
i just set up chip in account...every $43 gets us 1000

again..the paypal is buymearose15@aol.com

http://max.chipin.com/new-hampshire-inserts

Ok, I'm confused. You listed buymearose15@aol.com as being the paypal account in your first post, but azzurri2006@aol.com is what is listed on chip-in.

Please explain.

What's ANDANDO ENTERPRISES?

max
10-02-2007, 03:08 PM
business name

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LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 03:08 PM
azzurri is the e-mail that i most commonly use for personal e-mails....

buymearose15@aol.com is used specifically for paypal

was my chip in and paypal e-mails supposed to match?

Yes. Because that is where the payments will be sent. All Chip-in does is keep a running total. But, you have to indicate in it where the paypal payments are supposed to be sent. After you change it, you should test it yourself by clicking on the Chip-in button and noticing what comes up.

max
10-02-2007, 03:15 PM
Yes. Because that is where the payments will be sent. All Chip-in does is keep a running total. But, you have to indicate in it where the paypal payments are supposed to be sent. After you change it, you should test it yourself by clicking on the Chip-in button and noticing what comes up.

when you click on the donor button...it is pre-filled with buymearose15..


nonetheless...i think i'll start a whole new account so as not to cuse confusion...

runderwo
10-02-2007, 03:19 PM
$43 chipped in

max
10-02-2007, 03:25 PM
http://newhampshire.chipin.com/new-hampshire-inserts

ok...e-mail and paypal now match..

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 03:25 PM
when you click on the donor button...it is pre-filled with buymearose15..


nonetheless...i think i'll start a whole new account so as not to cuse confusion...

Maybe it is now that you made a change, but it sure wasn't before.

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 03:28 PM
Ok Max... I sent you $100.

ItsTime
10-02-2007, 03:29 PM
Ill see what I can give, I dont have much after my car got hit and run on :( Thanks for taking the ball and running with this!

This is planned perfectly by accident haha! The flyers are going out shortly after the TV ads hit the air waves! GREAT timing!

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 03:33 PM
Max,

What is the circulation of the newspaper? What day of the week are you planning to run this in the paper? How much do we need to raise so that we can put a flyer in nearly every one?

max
10-02-2007, 03:35 PM
Ok Max... I sent you $100.

awesome....u just put the flyer in 2300 additional homes!

Highmesa
10-02-2007, 03:49 PM
Exactly!...repetition is key in advertsing....I would like to do December as well with a different flyer perhaps

Fair enough.

Just threw $20 at ya.

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 04:18 PM
This is where to donate:
http://newhampshire.chipin.com/new-hampshire-inserts

To put these inserts in the New Hampshire Union Leader newspaper:


http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/liberty_08/openletter_noback.jpg

DrNoZone
10-02-2007, 04:23 PM
I chipped in $20

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 04:25 PM
Where are you guys "chipping" it? Because it is not showing up in the Chip-in account.

http://newhampshire.chipin.com/new-hampshire-inserts

DrNoZone
10-02-2007, 04:26 PM
Where are you guys "chipping" it? Because it is not showing up in the Chip-in account.

http://newhampshire.chipin.com/new-hampshire-inserts

I show it just went up by $20 since I chipped in. I used the link you provided.

Info from receipt:

Contribution to New Hampshire Inserts by Ron Paul Meetup (buymearose15 at aol.com)

Is this not correct?

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 04:28 PM
It's still just showing $100 for me.

DrNoZone
10-02-2007, 04:28 PM
It's still just showing $100 for me.

I see $140

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 04:29 PM
Weird. I wonder why I'm not seeing it.

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 04:32 PM
I show it just went up by $20 since I chipped in. I used the link you provided.

Info from receipt:

Contribution to New Hampshire Inserts by Ron Paul Meetup (buymearose15 at aol.com)

Is this not correct?

Yes, that is correct.

Highmesa
10-02-2007, 04:34 PM
Weird. I wonder why I'm not seeing it.

Hit the refresh button

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 04:34 PM
Hit the refresh button

I did.

unconsious767
10-02-2007, 04:36 PM
I did.

empty your internet cache or change the cache settings

The Good Doctor
10-02-2007, 04:37 PM
Concerning that ad. Can you still change it? I mean the 8 trillion in debt is now 9 trillion.

I mean I know it is just a trillion! LOL.

Also, I kind of wish it said something about Social Security on there. That is a big issue for people.

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 04:43 PM
Concerning that ad. Can you still change it? I mean the 8 trillion in debt is now 9 trillion.

I mean I know it is just a trillion! LOL.

Also, I kind of wish it said something about Social Security on there. That is a big issue for people.

I agree that the 8 should be bumped up to 9.

Max, I'm sure Lord Xar would be happy to make that change for you, if you just ask him. Nevermind, I just sent him a PM and cc'd you, Max.

cjhowe
10-02-2007, 04:44 PM
I know it's rather negligible for the amounts going back and forth, but Google Checkout allows you to send an invoice with no service or transaction fees for the remainder of 2007. Just fyi

bbachtung
10-02-2007, 05:15 PM
I posted this to the NH Underground's forum.

http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11103.0

BillyDkid
10-02-2007, 05:53 PM
I am happy and excited to donate a little something for a specific purpose. We need to know more of what people are doing in NH and IA toward specific efforts. Will do my donation as soon as I post this. It won't be a lot, but it will be something. It will salve my frustration at feeling like nothing is happening much in these critical states. I wish the campaign would ask for donations for specific efforts so we can see a direct connection between our donations and promotional efforts.

BillyDkid
10-02-2007, 05:54 PM
Concerning that ad. Can you still change it? I mean the 8 trillion in debt is now 9 trillion.

I mean I know it is just a trillion! LOL.

Also, I kind of wish it said something about Social Security on there. That is a big issue for people.A trillion here, a trillion there...pretty soon you're talking about real money!!!

BillyDkid
10-02-2007, 06:02 PM
Donated $25.00 via paypal. Thanks for doing this.

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 06:03 PM
I posted this to the NH Underground's forum.

http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11103.0

Hey, great idea! Thanks. :)

DeadheadForPaul
10-02-2007, 06:11 PM
Is there any way we can make a more positive ad next time around? The tone of the ad is very condescending

bbachtung
10-02-2007, 06:13 PM
There have been two responses at the NH Underground forum so far, both very positive:

First Comment: "Sent $25. Glad someone doing something productive for a change."

Second Comment: "Wow - this is awesome! I suggest that it get very widely emailed to our contacts."

RonPaulGetsIt
10-02-2007, 06:20 PM
I just chipped in a hundred.

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 06:21 PM
Is there any way we can make a more positive ad next time around? The tone of the ad is very condescending

Yes. Absolutely. Let's get this one paid for and off first, ok?

If you want to, go check out Lord Xar's treasure chest and see if you find anything that can be leveraged for our next strike. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=16701

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 06:21 PM
I just chipped in a hundred.

WOW!! :eek: Thanks so much! :D

paulitics
10-02-2007, 06:22 PM
Repitition. We need to this multiple weeks, every week if possible. WHatever you do, don't hold off until right before primaries.

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 06:24 PM
As soon as we can raise the money, the ad will be placed. We have 700 more dollars to go for this first one.

Please donate if you can.

Cowlesy
10-02-2007, 06:38 PM
Did my $100 chipshot.

M.Bellmore
10-02-2007, 06:45 PM
Go team! :cool:

Receipt ID cdb814963b100392
Paid By: (northernmi4ronpaul@gmail.com)
For: New Hampshire Inserts
Method: PayPal (northernmi4ronpaul@gmail.com)
Total: $50.00

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 07:13 PM
bump

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 07:16 PM
This is where to donate:
http://newhampshire.chipin.com/new-hampshire-inserts

To put these inserts in the New Hampshire Union Leader newspaper:


http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/liberty_08/openletter_noback.jpg


We still need to raise $700. Will anyone else help?

derdy
10-02-2007, 07:34 PM
Chipped in $50 for a total of $490 so far.

Leslie Webb
10-02-2007, 07:36 PM
I'll give $50.

Please change "Warned you keep your nation sovereign and independent" to "Warned you to keep your nation sovereign and independent"

yoshimaroka
10-02-2007, 07:37 PM
Is there any way we can make a more positive ad next time around? The tone of the ad is very condescending

I second that.

chipped in 50$ btw

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 07:56 PM
bump

Lord Xar
10-02-2007, 08:06 PM
Max, I am trying to get a contact I have to post her founding fathers flyer. She took the idea that I worked off of, and really did something cool and original.

I think her's blows doors on mine.

I pinged her so hopefully she will post it here for you to see and approve for your insert.

ALSO, this person does printing from a shop she owns... SO, her double sided FULL COLOR flyer might be what you might be paying for a single sided black/white.

you could probably get 5000 of these double-sided full colored for a couple hundred.. not much at all...

Max, contact me and let me know what your deal is in terms of pricing and such.. if you are gonna do inserts, lets do them awesomely... like come out with a bang... very professional...

bbachtung
10-02-2007, 08:06 PM
More positive replies (and donations) from the NH Underground:



Donated!
Also posted to the NH4RonPaul yahoo group (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NH4RonPaul)


http://newhampshireunderground.com/forum/index.php?topic=11103.msg189631#msg189631

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 08:09 PM
Wow. Thank you, bbachtung! :)

Lord Xar
10-02-2007, 08:32 PM
Okay, here is the front side of what I was talking about..

*********************

http://www.unitedforliberty.com/assets/frontside.jpg


BACKSIDE: NOTE: some edits still might take place.

http://www.unitedforliberty.com/assets/backside.jpg

DrNoZone
10-02-2007, 08:34 PM
Wow, now THAT's what I was talking about when I said you should make RP's name more prominent!! Use this one instead if it isn't too late!

derdy
10-02-2007, 08:35 PM
Holycow! that one is great!:eek:

Stealth4
10-02-2007, 08:36 PM
9 trillion, not 8 trillion.

Someone else mentioned this also

M.Bellmore
10-02-2007, 08:43 PM
That's cool! Would you print it on cardstock?

Leslie Webb
10-02-2007, 08:45 PM
Regarding "your babies are debt slaves from the day they are born", how about changing this phrase to "your children are debt slaves from the day they are born". "Children" gets the meaning better. Compare "Your babies are going to have to pay for all this debt" to "Your children are going to have to pay for all this debt." Also, I find "babies" a bit over-emphatic and feel the sentence sounds more natural and reads better with "children."

Lord Xar
10-02-2007, 08:50 PM
Max, what do you think about these? I think these are much better... that the others. Two sided can be done VERY VERY CHEAPLY, fully color.

*********************


FRONTSIDE:
http://www.unitedforliberty.com/assets/frontside.jpg

*********************

BACKSIDE: NOTE: some edits still might take place.

http://www.unitedforliberty.com/assets/backside.jpg

DrNoZone
10-02-2007, 08:52 PM
Damn those are nice! Are they going to be available as glossy flyers?

Lord Xar
10-02-2007, 08:53 PM
yes, I believe so... I think these would go over VERY well as inserts and flyers..

These will be available VERY SOON in bulk orders...

The flyers will be printed 70lb uncoated opaque text (not shiny), two sided...full color

born2drv
10-02-2007, 08:53 PM
wow that's really nice... if you're going to go full page color and it's for the same cost i'd run that for sure... the one i made myself had minimal color to reduce my cost of printing on my color laser but that one looks much more professional ;)

DrNoZone
10-02-2007, 08:53 PM
yes, I believe so... I think these would go over VERY well as inserts and flyers..

These will be available VERY SOON in bulk orders...

I'm already lining up! Please make sure to let us know when.

ItsTime
10-02-2007, 08:54 PM
Max, what do you think about these? I think these are much better... that the others. Two sided can be done VERY VERY CHEAPLY, fully color.



so much better get these!

max
10-02-2007, 08:54 PM
Okay, here is the front side of what I was talking about..

*********************

http://www.unitedforliberty.com/assets/frontside.jpg


BACKSIDE: NOTE: some edits still might take place.

http://www.unitedforliberty.com/assets/backside.jpg


WOW!!!!

STOP THE PRESSES! This version kicks ass!

I will definitely be in touch with you about your friend doing the printing so we can go 2 sided in New Hampshire..

also...can we change "babies" to "children"...and 8 trillion to 9 trillion...

Lord Xar
10-02-2007, 08:56 PM
Yes.. babies will change to children... (hopefully).

also, these will be available sometime next week in bulk orders...

I think you can make the timeframe Max... so I would go with these..

REMEMBER: some minor edits are taking place ----

max
10-02-2007, 09:04 PM
Yes.. babies will change to children... (hopefully).

also, these will be available sometime next week in bulk orders...

I think you can make the timeframe Max... so I would go with these..

REMEMBER: some minor edits are taking place ----

Tell her not to run anything unril I clear any dislaimer language with the newspaper...when we did this in NJ there was specific language.....so your printer needs to be flexible enough to do a last minute change before we run the full order

Leslie Webb
10-02-2007, 09:21 PM
Brilliant!!

Fantastic theme and design and perfect text, loved every word. This could be the flyer that wins New Hampshire for us.

I can contribute $50 more in a few days, and I will notify the MeetUp group here in West Lafayette IN about the insert and see if anyone else can contribute.

Is this thread a sticky?

Bryan
10-02-2007, 09:26 PM
Okay, here is the front side of what I was talking about..

*********************

http://www.unitedforliberty.com/assets/frontside.jpg



:eek: too. Totally stunning. The design is fantastic. This is the best ever.

I was thinking about DeadheadForPaul comment- one thing that I think might help address the concern of it being condescending as suggested is to add something as to why the founders support Dr. Paul. Maybe after the final "...warned you"- add something like:

Ron Paul wants to get out of NAFTA & the UN. Ron Paul supports protecting the privacy and liberty of the people, not the secrecy of government. Ron Paul supports sound money and the end of the Fed and IRS. Ron Paul considers a military draft as slavery. Ron Paul is the champion of the Constitution.

It would have to be much better than this but you get the idea.

Also, I don't think the line "As a service to America,"... is needed. It reads fine without it and "come out of retirement" doesn't really make sense in some regard and may add a condescending element.

Regardless, this is all brilliant- I'm off to chipin!

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 09:29 PM
Good point about the "As a service to America". That doesn't add anything to the flyer. What do you think about removing that guys?

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 09:33 PM
yes, I believe so... I think these would go over VERY well as inserts and flyers..

These will be available VERY SOON in bulk orders...

The flyers will be printed 70lb uncoated opaque text (not shiny), two sided...full color

Keep in mind that we will be wanting like 8.5 x 10 for these inserts and not the smaller ones that she created last time with the mosaic flyer. You know what I mean?

Am I right about this Max?

yoshimaroka
10-02-2007, 09:39 PM
Remove it

max
10-02-2007, 09:41 PM
Keep in mind that we will be wanting like 8.5 x 10 for these inserts and not the smaller ones that she created last time with the mosaic flyer. You know what I mean?

Am I right about this Max?

i will speak about these details with amy at NH Union Leader tomorrow...

I want to confirm if we need certain disclaimer language too...

I'm also thinking that since we're now gonna push for $3,000...maybe we should do this through Lord Xar's PAC....

I'll keep collecting the money...but I'll give it Lord X when we're ready to roll...

I like the way this thing evolved from a good flyer with limited reach....to a masterpiece that could reach the whole state. We are gonna ROCK New Hampshire with this piece.

Grassroots is where its at! ...I'm grateful to you and Xar for taking my baby to a new level....

Eric21ND
10-02-2007, 09:42 PM
Those are breath taking flyers! OMG! Maybe you could add some catch phrases like "freedom, liberty, peace and prosperity". But these are truly awesome! Can't wait to order a bulk load.

These aren't on the glossy card stock? Is that a good thing? Does it make them look better? What other kind of paper is being used? Is the font hard to read and is it too small? I ask because older people might not be able to make it out if its small text.

Great work!

Thunderbolt
10-02-2007, 09:49 PM
Could someone do this quickly? Do you all know that the deadline to change parties in NH was changed one week ago to October 12? That info needs to be sent out to all folks in NH ASAP. If you are a registered Democrat on October 13, you will not be able to vote for Ron Paul.

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 09:52 PM
Yeah, I'm a little concerned with the size of the font. We don't want it to be so small that people have a hard time reading it.

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 09:53 PM
Could someone do this quickly? Do you all know that the deadline to change parties in NH was changed one week ago to October 12? That info needs to be sent out to all folks in NH ASAP. If you are a registered Democrat on October 13, you will not be able to vote for Ron Paul.

I could be totally wrong, but it is my understanding that the biggest group in NH are Undeclareds. Both they and Republicans will be able to vote in the Republican primary.

max
10-02-2007, 09:54 PM
Yeah, I'm a little concerned with the size of the font. We don't want it to be so small that people have a hard time reading it.

ur right...it is a bit small....

there's plenty of room to enlarge..the headline could be shrunk a bit..

small text can be a turnoff for some people..


Lord X...are u getting this

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 09:57 PM
ur right...it is a bit small....

there's plenty of room to enlarge..the headline could be shrunk a bit..

small text can be a turnoff for some people..


Lord X...are u getting this

One thing I noticed is that she made the text following "we warned you..." smaller than the "we warned you" text. That wasn't so in the flyer that Lord Xar worked on. Maybe she didn't think it was as aesthetically pleasing. But, if we just bumped it up to the same size, we'd probably be ok.

Shatterhand
10-02-2007, 09:59 PM
ur right...it is a bit small....

there's plenty of room to enlarge..the headline could be shrunk a bit..

small text can be a turnoff for some people..


Lord X...are u getting this

Not to nitpick, but I also think the font should be crystal clear. Don't make it hard for the reader to make out letters and words. Make them big and easy to read especially the Ron Paul part.

But great work! :D

Bryan
10-02-2007, 10:02 PM
Is this thread a sticky?

No one looks at the stickies- :p but I got the issue resolved. See the home page here. :)

I put in $30 for now- may do more later...

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 10:09 PM
No one looks at the stickies- :p but I got the issue resolved. See the home page here. :)



Yeah, I saw that. That is really great. Thanks, Bryan.

steph3n
10-02-2007, 10:38 PM
Doesn't it need to say "Paid for by private citizens supporting Ron Paul" or something like this in small at the bottom, just to be legal?

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 10:41 PM
There is a disclaimer running up the left hand side. If this is going to be done under Lord Xar's PAC, this will have to be edited.

steph3n
10-02-2007, 10:48 PM
There is a disclaimer running up the left hand side. If this is going to be done under Lord Xar's PAC, this will have to be edited.

It must be really small did not see it on the samples and did not want to get the official campaign in trouble over it.

Everyone see the urgency of donating below, shameless bump!:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=21948

LibertyEagle
10-02-2007, 11:08 PM
It must be really small did not see it on the samples and did not want to get the official campaign in trouble over it.

Everyone see the urgency of donating below, shameless bump!:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=21948

Look in the lower left hand corner. It is running up the side of the page (on the inside of the blue edge). We might need more of a disclaimer than that since this will be in a newspaper and it would probably be better if it ran along the bottom, if there is room. Don't know.

orenbus
10-02-2007, 11:28 PM
It looks awesome, the only problem I have with it is the name "Ron Paul" doesn't stand out enough from the rest of the design, some people will end up not reading the whole thing, we need to make sure they atleast get a visual on a name that stands out somehow

foofighter20x
10-02-2007, 11:37 PM
I just dropped $120 in the ChipIn, but it didn't go up... ??? :confused:

steph3n
10-02-2007, 11:38 PM
It went up I donated a bit then another donated $20 then you $120, went up from 12 with me to 14 now

ronpaulhawaii
10-03-2007, 12:16 AM
being careful with money, $20 sent.

Could/should these be the flyers we take on our ride? Hhmmm...

This is awesome!!! Thanks!

speciallyblend
10-03-2007, 12:24 AM
NH FLYERS ,NEED TOTAL REWORKING

EMERGENCY NH PRIMARY FIXED,something needs to be done asap,waiting on HQ or Grassroots to organize something.

The Good Doctor
10-03-2007, 12:26 AM
Yes I concur. How soon can this drop be made?


NH FLYERS ,NEED TOTAL REWORKING

EMERGENCY NH PRIMARY FIXED,something needs to be done asap,waiting on HQ or Grassroots to organize something.

orenbus
10-03-2007, 12:26 AM
NH FLYERS ,NEED TOTAL REWORKING

EMERGENCY NH PRIMARY FIXED,something needs to be done asap,waiting on HQ or Grassroots to organize something.

I agree, we need to let them know of the October 12 deadline if this flyer is to be published before then

Also Please add a Link to FreeMe.TV nothing beats hearing Ron Paul speak, many of us were not convinced until we saw him in action.

work2win
10-03-2007, 01:47 AM
I've compiled the suggestions listed above and added a couple of my own:

1. Change font and size of "Ron Paul Revolution" at the bottom. I see this as the most important change! This must stand out clearly and be easy to read. I think the current font is too hard to read and blends with the rest of the flyer. A size bump to this line wouldn't hurt either.

2. Remove "As a service to America...." line from the top

3. change "babies" to "children"

4. size bump to the body text for easier reading?

5. remove "We advise you to" from the beginning of the bottom line. "Support his presidential...." would sound a little less harsh and be more to the point.

dc74rp
10-03-2007, 07:08 PM
How about changing the "We warned you not to....." into just "We warned against....." or "We warned not to.....".

Seems to me the "We warned you not to....." gives the feeling of blaming the reader.

DeadheadForPaul
10-03-2007, 07:14 PM
How about changing the "We warned you not to....." into just "We warned against....." or "We warned not to.....".

Seems to me the "We warned you not to....." gives the feeling of blaming the reader.

agreed. Otherwise, the ad looks AWESOME. nice work team

LibertyEagle
10-03-2007, 07:16 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=22056

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=22165

LibertyEagle
10-03-2007, 07:17 PM
How about changing the "We warned you not to....." into just "We warned against....." or "We warned not to.....".

Seems to me the "We warned you not to....." gives the feeling of blaming the reader.

I agree with this too.

Pizza God
10-04-2007, 12:01 AM
hey, I don't know what you guys think, but remember Americans are stupid.

We should name who the pics are of.

It would be even better if one of there quotes that Ron Paul always says is listed. That would show they really did warn us.

I mean the actual quotes you see all the time, like the sacrafice liberty for security, you get/deserve neither from Franklin.

Eric21ND
10-04-2007, 03:02 AM
Can someone get all the actual quotes together on here? Even if we don't use them this time, maybe we can include them in another version of the flyer.

LibertyEagle
10-04-2007, 09:54 AM
bump

Ridiculous
10-04-2007, 10:19 AM
As I mentioned in another post about this, the only thing that I don't like about the founders ad is where it says "we the founders support Ron Paul" Although it is obvious to Ron Paul's supporters that Paul's platform is the closest to theirs, they are dead, they can't endorse anyone. I think that an undecided voter reading an add that says that the founders support a candidate will find it VERY presumptuous and pretentious.


I can just see anti Paul people saying, "Now the dead founding fathers are endorsing candidates?"

You CAN NOT make an ad having a dead person endorse a candidate. A high profile ad like that will get torn apart by anyone who wants to take a shot at the campaign or the grassroots.

Doesn't anyone else see this?!

I really don't like that line. It should be replaced with something along the line of "Ron Paul's voting record shows that he stands for the ideals of the founders more than any other candidate"

It needs to be edited. The back part is great though!

LibertyEagle
10-04-2007, 10:29 AM
The back part is great though!

The way it stands now, he is not planning on using the back part. He is currently planning to run a full page ad directly in the paper.

Ridiculous
10-04-2007, 10:32 AM
The way it stands now, he is not planning on using the back part. He is currently planning to run a full page ad directly in the paper.

The back part should be used. That line saying that the founding fathers endorse ron paul, absolutely needs to be removed. You can't say something like that. It is just as foolish as saying someone alive gave you an endorsement when they never did.....

Use the back part. It is much more informative anyway.

Ridiculous
10-04-2007, 10:40 AM
Mark my words, putting words in the mouths of the founding fathers will not sit well with people....

max
10-04-2007, 10:57 AM
Mark my words, putting words in the mouths of the founding fathers will not sit well with people....

um...i realize most folks are clueless.....but i think they'll understand that the founders are dead, and will see the creative point its trying to make....

i will however change the "we warned you" to "we warned against" and i'll add captions for the names of the founders...we will also add youtube video addres for ron paul stop dreaming at the bottom....with a full page we have room to do this..


there will also be a mugshot of RP added to the bottom and a direct appeal to donate

Ridiculous
10-04-2007, 11:02 AM
um...i realize most folks are clueless.....but i think they'll understand that the founders are dead, and will see the creative point its trying to make....

i will however change the "we warned you" to "we warned against" and i'll add captions for the names of the founders...we will also add youtube video addres for ron paul stop dreaming at the bottom....with a full page we have room to do this..


there will also be a mugshot of RP added to the bottom and a direct appeal to donate

I don't think people will think the founders are still alive, I think that they will think it is pretentious and presumptuous to say that they endorse a candidate.

With a full page ad you have room to change the founders endorse ron paul to something like "Ron Paul's voting record shows that he stands for the ideals of the founders more than any other candidate". It is just a bad Idea to take the creative license to say that they endorse him. It is in reality a baseless claim because they are dead.

If you are going to spend the money to put this in the paper I would go with the back, it is much more informative. It lets people know where he stands on issues.

DrNoZone
10-04-2007, 11:05 AM
um...i realize most folks are clueless.....but i think they'll understand that the founders are dead, and will see the creative point its trying to make....


Uh, yes, I second that.

Ridiculous
10-04-2007, 11:09 AM
It is just not a good choice for a creative point.

Ridiculous
10-04-2007, 11:29 AM
You could change it to "Don't YOU think the founders would endorse Ron Paul?"

It would be just as effective and it would avoid making a unfounded statement.

If you say the founders endorse Paul you are opening the grassroots up for ridicule.

M.Bellmore
10-04-2007, 11:42 AM
You could change it to "Don't YOU think the founders would endorse Ron Paul?"

It would be just as effective and it would avoid making a unfounded statement.

If you say the founders endorse Paul you are opening the grassroots up for ridicule.

Yeah, what he said :cool:

Ridiculous
10-04-2007, 12:19 PM
Yeah, what he said :cool:

Thanks for agreeing with me.

LibertyEagle
10-04-2007, 04:26 PM
bump

LibertyEagle
10-04-2007, 04:30 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=22056

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=22165

bump

KewlRonduderules
10-04-2007, 08:13 PM
Wow! This is a nice flyer. I was wondering if somebody can direct me to a site that has these flyers already made. I'd like to order 1000 two-sided flyers. I found a site earlier but cannot seem to find it now. Anybody have a link?

max
10-04-2007, 08:16 PM
Wow! This is a nice flyer. I was wondering if somebody can direct me to a site that has these flyers already made. I'd like to order 1000 two-sided flyers. I found a site earlier but cannot seem to find it now. Anybody have a link?

contact Lord Xar

He has a printer working on two sided flyers..

please donate a few bucks to this New hampshire full page ad and tell others....NH needs this!..thanks


http://newhampshire.chipin.com/new-hampshire-inserts

LibertyEagle
10-04-2007, 08:20 PM
Wow! This is a nice flyer. I was wondering if somebody can direct me to a site that has these flyers already made. I'd like to order 1000 two-sided flyers. I found a site earlier but cannot seem to find it now. Anybody have a link?

The same person who is laying out this 2-sided flyer, also did another one. It is here, complete with ordering instructions.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=16701

LibertyEagle
10-04-2007, 08:22 PM
contact Lord Xar

He has a printer working on two sided flyers..

please donate a few bucks to this New hampshire full page ad and tell others....NH needs this!..thanks


http://newhampshire.chipin.com/new-hampshire-inserts

Huh? Have you changed your mind and decided to use the 2-sided flyer as an insert in the newspaper?

Thunderbolt
10-04-2007, 08:25 PM
bump

max
10-04-2007, 08:32 PM
Huh? Have you changed your mind and decided to use the 2-sided flyer as an insert in the newspaper?

no

i was just telling him how to get fliers from Xar...

i spoke to a friend to day who owns an advertisng business about this. He recommends the full page ad because many people automatically discard inserts...However, he advised me to insist upon placement near the early pages and on the right hand side...which i will insist upon

another advantage of the full page ad is that such an ad, in and of itself is newsworthy...I think we have a good shot of getting secondary media coverage on this.

The fact that unpaid volunteers pulled off a full page color ad in the state's biggest paper is, in and of itself, newsworthy....especially if 1000's of us start calling in and ordering copies the following Monday!...lol

dagnytaggart
10-04-2007, 08:37 PM
I just sent $50.

Thanks for putting this together!

max
10-04-2007, 09:03 PM
I just sent $50.

Thanks for putting this together!

My pleasure....

The next step after the ad runs is for ALL OF US to swamp the New Hampshire Union Leaders phone lines with credit card orders to mail that issue to us...

They'll be blown away and possibly do a story on that!

I think RP will get a kicj out of this blockbuster ad. We'll have to send copies to Rudy and Romney too

Green Mountain Boy
10-05-2007, 08:38 AM
$15 added.

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Proemio
10-05-2007, 09:13 AM
no

i was just telling him how to get fliers from Xar...

i spoke to a friend to day who owns an advertisng business about this. He recommends the full page ad because many people automatically discard inserts...However, he advised me to insist upon placement near the early pages and on the right hand side...which i will insist upon

another advantage of the full page ad is that such an ad, in and of itself is newsworthy...I think we have a good shot of getting secondary media coverage on this.

The fact that unpaid volunteers pulled off a full page color ad in the state's biggest paper is, in and of itself, newsworthy....especially if 1000's of us start calling in and ordering copies the following Monday!...lol

This "friend in the advertising business" wholeheartedly concurs - a no brainer.

It's going to act like an iceberg on the establishment's Titanic...

M.Bellmore
10-05-2007, 09:22 AM
This "friend in the advertising business" wholeheartedly concurs - a no brainer.

It's going to act like an iceberg on the establishment's Titanic...

Which part is a no-brainer, the full-page ad vs. insert, just the ad itself, ...?
Others (including me) want to re-use the ad in other states. Insight on the best "bang-for-the-buck" would be great from people more in the know than ourselves.

Thanks!

LibertyEagle
10-05-2007, 01:33 PM
bump

Ridiculous
10-05-2007, 01:39 PM
My pleasure....

The next step after the ad runs is for ALL OF US to swamp the New Hampshire Union Leaders phone lines with credit card orders to mail that issue to us...

They'll be blown away and possibly do a story on that!


Probably not....
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Paul's+isolationism%3A+Unrea %20listic+and+dangerous&articleId=337db256-d684-4098-a896-7bc5fe6123b2&bcsi_scan_58B44081716F1167=0&bcsi_sca%20n_filename=article.aspx

The Union Leader is not Paul Friendly.

And look, a truther comment is right at the top. Great :rolleyes:

Proemio
10-05-2007, 02:56 PM
Which part is a no-brainer, the full-page ad vs. insert, just the ad itself, ...?
Others (including me) want to re-use the ad in other states. Insight on the best "bang-for-the-buck" would be great from people more in the know than ourselves.

Thanks!

Full-page > insert - if you can afford it, and assuming that both are equally well designed.

The readers can't avoid to at least "get hit" by a full-page ad, except those who are narrowly focused on specific interests, such sports results (not your typical Ron Paul supporter prospect). An insert does compete with stuff like "oil-change-specials'. That is, if the whole bunch of inserts does not immediately end up in the recycling bin. Which hints at one other aspect; an ad "printed in the paper" exudes more gravitas - the perception thing at work.

Now, if you were to insert the slim-jim, you would have a wholly different calculation...

Point being; each situation has to be evaluated within the specific variable. In this case, with the goal being mostly to demonstrate the viability of the "R[evol]ution" and costs being similar for the whole circulation, the ad brings several times the "bang-for-the-buck", i.e. a no brainer.

LibertyEagle
10-05-2007, 03:01 PM
Probably not....
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Paul's+isolationism%3A+Unrea %20listic+and+dangerous&articleId=337db256-d684-4098-a896-7bc5fe6123b2&bcsi_scan_58B44081716F1167=0&bcsi_sca%20n_filename=article.aspx

The Union Leader is not Paul Friendly.

And look, a truther comment is right at the top. Great :rolleyes:

Wow. That's really bad. :(

Proemio
10-05-2007, 03:10 PM
Probably not....
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Paul's+isolationism%3A+Unrea %20listic+and+dangerous&articleId=337db256-d684-4098-a896-7bc5fe6123b2&bcsi_scan_58B44081716F1167=0&bcsi_sca%20n_filename=article.aspx

The Union Leader is not Paul Friendly.

And look, a truther comment is right at the top. Great :rolleyes:

So?

All the more reason to counter that lame propaganda with facts and lots of light, right in their belly - should give the editorial board some indigestion and the readership even more to think about.

Ridiculous
10-05-2007, 03:51 PM
I bet you the same guy that wrote that ad will blast the founders ad by saying that Ron Paul supporters have no right saying who the founders would or would not endorse.

"Who cares what he thinks?"

A lot of people read that paper, that is why you are putting an ad in it. Why not just change the wording and avoid negative press that I guarantee you you will get if you run that ad. It is pompous, unethical, pretentious & presumptuous to say who the founders would or would not vote for.

max
10-05-2007, 03:59 PM
I bet you the same guy that wrote that ad will blast the founders ad by saying that Ron Paul supporters have no right saying who the founders would or would not endorse.

"Who cares what he thinks?"

A lot of people read that paper, that is why you are putting an ad in it. Why not just change the wording and avoid negative press that I guarantee you you will get if you run that ad. It is pompous, unethical, pretentious & presumptuous to say who the founders would or would not vote for.

FACT! If the founders were alive today they'd endorse Ron Paul. That's not being presumptious...that's not being unethical....it's pure logic.

If the ad stirs up controversy...it's GOOD!..u think I give a rat's ass how the media spins it? Since when do we play by their rules? thats why there is a line in there directly attacking the media......

Ridiculous
10-05-2007, 04:23 PM
FACT! If the founders were alive today they'd endorse Ron Paul. That's not being presumptious...that's not being unethical....it's pure logic.

I agree with you that if the founders were alive today that they'd endorse Paul. It is unethical because they are not alive to endorse anyone, you are putting an endorsement in their mouths based on what you assume they would do. Why don't you just go ahead and put words in Regan's mouth while you are at it. This ad will come across as presumptuous to someone who isn't educated about Paul.



If the ad stirs up controversy...it's GOOD!..u think I give a rat's ass how the media spins it?

That's the problem with a lot of Paul supporters, they are so "F the establishment" that they never think ahead. Why get bad press when you don't have to?

It is simple advertising logic. By simply changing the words you can say the same thing without speaking for the founders, which could rub people the wrong way. Every dollar you spend is an opportunity, you need to maximize that opportunity to appeal to as many people as possible, I mean you are selling Ron Paul here. Saying that the founders endorse Ron Paul is a bad idea and has the potential to rub people the wrong way. You can simply change the words and have your message be just as effective. You shouldn't put words in peoples mouths no matter how long they have been dead. Even though logic would say they would endorse Paul.


Also, when a company spends money on a full page ad they first test the ad on focus groups and they usually show the group several ads and then run the one that is the most effective. I know you don't have the time or money for that. But I would encourage you to show the the few ads to some non paul supporters and ask their opinions.

ItsTime
10-05-2007, 04:33 PM
Probably not....
http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Paul's+isolationism%3A+Unrea %20listic+and+dangerous&articleId=337db256-d684-4098-a896-7bc5fe6123b2&bcsi_scan_58B44081716F1167=0&bcsi_sca%20n_filename=article.aspx

The Union Leader is not Paul Friendly.

And look, a truther comment is right at the top. Great :rolleyes:

You must have missed the other 3 or 4 positive articles they ran this week. Lets not cherry pick the bad ones please.

PS. The comments are approved. So they pick and choose the ones they want.

nayjevin
10-06-2007, 01:55 PM
I agree with you that if the founders were alive today that they'd endorse Paul. It is unethical because they are not alive to endorse anyone, you are putting an endorsement in their mouths based on what you assume they would do. Why don't you just go ahead and put words in Regan's mouth while you are at it. This ad will come across as presumptuous to someone who isn't educated about Paul.



That's the problem with a lot of Paul supporters, they are so "F the establishment" that they never think ahead. Why get bad press when you don't have to?

It is simple advertising logic. By simply changing the words you can say the same thing without speaking for the founders, which could rub people the wrong way. Every dollar you spend is an opportunity, you need to maximize that opportunity to appeal to as many people as possible, I mean you are selling Ron Paul here. Saying that the founders endorse Ron Paul is a bad idea and has the potential to rub people the wrong way. You can simply change the words and have your message be just as effective. You shouldn't put words in peoples mouths no matter how long they have been dead. Even though logic would say they would endorse Paul.


Also, when a company spends money on a full page ad they first test the ad on focus groups and they usually show the group several ads and then run the one that is the most effective. I know you don't have the time or money for that. But I would encourage you to show the the few ads to some non paul supporters and ask their opinions.

I don't think I've ever felt so strong a need to echo the words of a post on this forum as these. 100% correct, and I will donate $25 bucks if it is changed.

LibertyEagle
10-06-2007, 02:01 PM
Guys...

If you hate that line so much, why don't you spend time trying to devise a different phrase. Please make sure that it is aligned with the intent of this Ad, or I doubt it's going to be considered.

If you can come up with something good, I'm sure Max will consider it.

I also would like to see that line tweaked, but the problem is, I can't think of how to do it.

nayjevin
10-06-2007, 02:17 PM
Guys...

If you hate that line so much, why don't you spend time trying to devise a different phrase. Please make sure that it is aligned with the intent of this Ad, or I doubt it's going to be considered.

If you can come up with something good, I'm sure Max will consider it.

I also would like to see that line tweaked, but the problem is, I can't think of how to do it.


Ridiculous suggested both of these options earlier in thread:


I really don't like that line. It should be replaced with something along the line of "Ron Paul's voting record shows that he stands for the ideals of the founders more than any other candidate"


You could change it to "Don't YOU think the founders would endorse Ron Paul?"


I like the second one.

LibertyEagle
10-06-2007, 02:27 PM
I know he did, but the suggestions need to keep coming. I'm not thinking those are so hot either. ;)

Proemio
10-06-2007, 05:17 PM
While I have no problem with the current wording, there "must" be a solution to get everyone to pay up... add "must".

"For these reasons We the Founders must support the..."

People can then read it as they wish; either literally or figuratively.

Lit.: For these reasons, We the Founders (as imaginary authors of the ad), obviously support...

Fig.: For these reasons, We the Founders (as THEM, spinning in their grave or sitting in heaven), would obviously support... They must be, anything else would not make sense, etc.

Adding the word "must"
- does not screw up the layout,
- even balances the line slightly better, and
- will not weaken the message - "must" being also a command...

cicero
10-06-2007, 08:19 PM
Been following this thread with interest....as a Canadian, do election rules allow me to donate to this newspaper add? Have done some reading (FEC/ronpaul2008.com)..and still not sure. Anybody know for sure? It'd open the doors for lots of enthusiastic supporters to contribute if so. :)



GO RON GO 2008!!!!!

ItsTime
10-06-2007, 08:59 PM
SIMPLE! Run the same ad that the other person is running in the Concord. Repeating ads in different publications maxs their efforts.

Leslie Webb
10-06-2007, 10:10 PM
What if the bottom of the ad went like this: "For these reasons please support the Ron Paul Revolution. Please give your time, fortunes, and sacred honor to support his presidential candidacy."

The reader could construe the meaning of these sentences as an endorsement of Ron Paul by the Founding Fathers, or as the advertiser asking for support for Ron Paul because of the warnings the Founding Fathers made.

Liberty
10-06-2007, 10:18 PM
If you agree with the founders, please support Ron Paul for president or Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate addressing all of these concerns.

Leslie Webb
10-06-2007, 10:20 PM
I assume we don't have enough contributions to run the front and back of the flyer in the newspaper as an ad of two full pages. Is that right?

In the future with enough contributions it would be nice to have the flyer's back side run in the newspaper along with the front side, since the back side gives a good overview of Ron Paul's ideas and record.

Leslie Webb
10-06-2007, 10:35 PM
If you agree with the founders, please support Ron Paul for president or Ron Paul is the only presidential candidate addressing all of these concerns.


"If you agree with the founders, please support Ron Paul for president" - sounds good.

max
10-06-2007, 10:36 PM
I will seriously consider all feedback...but you know.....I think this whole thing is a tempest in a teapot..

THE FOUNDERS ARE DEAD!........Anyone so damn uptight that they would take offense to the founders "endorsing" Ron Paul in an ad has serious psychological issues...not our voter anyway

The ad is designed to make people think...to look inward and realize that we contributed to this problem ourselves, the founders are pissed... and that it's our responsibility to restore what they gave to us.

The type of person who takes offense to this basic truth is a Rudy or Romney voter..

You all need to understand that this is subjective and if we tweak it a 100 ways it still wont please everybody

The ad is bold...but in no way offensive...Boldness works

Let's just chip in a few bucks and get this thing done shall we? We are actually at 73% of goal (The widget on this site doesnt correspond)

bbachtung
10-06-2007, 10:40 PM
The thing that has gotten RP where he is is his lack of concern for sounding politically correct; I doubt that anyone could be more offended by a Founding Fathers endorsement than they could by the actions of the other candidates.

I agree with max (not as unusual as it sounds).

Leslie Webb
10-06-2007, 10:54 PM
I will seriously consider all feedback...but you know.....I think this whole thing is a tempest in a teapot..

THE FOUNDERS ARE DEAD!........Anyone so damn uptight that they would take offense to the founders "endorsing" Ron Paul in an ad has serious psychological issues...not our voter anyway

The ad is designed to make people think...to look inward and realize that we contributed to this problem ourselves, the founders are pissed... and that it's our responsibility to restore what they gave to us.

The type of person who takes offense to this basic truth is a Rudy or Romney voter..

You all need to understand that this is subjective and if we tweak it a 100 ways it still wont please everybody

The ad is bold...but in no way offensive...Boldness works

Let's just chip in a few bucks and get this thing done shall we? We are actually at 73% of goal (The widget on this site doesnt correspond)

You're right, let's stop tweaking and get it done.

withallmyheart
10-07-2007, 07:53 AM
One more suggestion...

For these reasons, We the People must heed the sage advice of our Founders by supporting Ron Paul

Karrl
10-07-2007, 03:35 PM
They advised us that it was our responsibility to keep it that way.


As a service to America, they have come out of retirement to counsel you once again.


We the founders...........

Ask you to be mindful of the dangers of excess taxation. You labor six months...

Ask you to be mindful of the dangers in foreign entanglements. Thousands of men and woman now suffer....

Ask you to be mindful of the inherent dangers in excesssive government spending. You have a growing national debt that now stands....

Ask you to be mindful of the danger of private central bank. You are drowning in credit card debt....

Ask you to be mindful of the dangers of political parties. Your two major political parties.....

Ask you to keep your nation sovereign and independent. You are submitting to UN and NAFTA authority while your borders are deliberately left open.....

Ask you to question the power of office and the placing of your trust in government. Dont be misled by the sugarcoated....

Ask you to honor and obey the constitution---because power corrupts.

We remind you of the importance of an honest, independent and unbiased press. Your.....

Most importantly....We remind you that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Dont be distracted by ball games and tv shows. Dont allow the government to use fear and take your liberties away. Dont allow the government to continue to bankrupt this nation and your children's future.


There is someone who has worked tirelessly towards all these things......We the founders support Ron Paul.

Karrl
10-07-2007, 03:37 PM
IF you dont think mindful is strong enough I would substitute the words be aware.....or stronger yet....beware.

LibertyEagle
10-07-2007, 03:39 PM
I like "warned", because that is exactly what they did.

Karrl
10-07-2007, 03:41 PM
By the way.....The flyer has come along way from that first version. I think the graphics and choice of fonts are superb! Good job everyone!!

LibertyEagle
10-07-2007, 03:48 PM
and this Ad will be a reality.

Donate here:
http://newhampshire.chipin.com/new-hampshire-inserts

Keep in mind that edits are still being made. This is not the final copy.

http://www.unitedforliberty.com/assets/frontside.jpg

Karrl
10-07-2007, 03:48 PM
I themed the text into a message not from the past but in the present. This is consistent with the text at the top of the flyer.

As a service to america they have come out of retirement....

max
10-07-2007, 03:48 PM
They advised us that it was our responsibility to keep it that way.


As a service to America, they have come out of retirement to counsel you once again.


We the founders...........

Ask you to be mindful of the dangers of excess taxation. You labor six months...

Ask you to be mindful of the dangers in foreign entanglements. Thousands of men and woman now suffer....

Ask you to be mindful of the inherent dangers in excesssive government spending. You have a growing national debt that now stands....

Ask you to be mindful of the danger of private central bank. You are drowning in credit card debt....

Ask you to be mindful of the dangers of political parties. Your two major political parties.....

Ask you to keep your nation sovereign and independent. You are submitting to UN and NAFTA authority while your borders are deliberately left open.....

Ask you to question the power of office and the placing of your trust in government. Dont be misled by the sugarcoated....

Ask you to honor and obey the constitution---because power corrupts.

We remind you of the importance of an honest, independent and unbiased press. Your.....

Most importantly....We remind you that the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Dont be distracted by ball games and tv shows. Dont allow the government to use fear and take your liberties away. Dont allow the government to continue to bankrupt this nation and your children's future.


There is someone who has worked tirelessly towards all these things......We the founders support Ron Paul.


These are the founders talking. They dont need to soft soap , ask, or beg the american people to do anything.....they have a right to chew our asses out....thats part of the ads subconcious appeal

Karrl
10-07-2007, 03:55 PM
"They" do not exist. It's impact can be what you want to make of it. If you want others to feel like their ass is being chewed out....so be it.

DrNoZone
10-07-2007, 03:57 PM
Please, please, please do not make any of the pandering changes being asked. The ad as it is rocks!

LibertyEagle
10-07-2007, 03:57 PM
I themed the text into a message not from the past but in the present. This is consistent with the text at the top of the flyer.

As a service to america they have come out of retirement....

I understand. The statement that you mention is being taken out of the Ad though. People asked for that previously, it made sense, so it's being done.

Karl, please understand that most people do not want to change the tone of the Ad. The reality is that the Founding Fathers DID warn us. Things like we should never give up liberty for security.

Karrl
10-07-2007, 04:02 PM
Understood. No problem!!

Phenom24
10-07-2007, 05:57 PM
chipped in

Come on, let's get it done for NH! :)

Glenn

Thunderbolt
10-07-2007, 06:16 PM
I like "warned", because that is exactly what they did.

I too like warned! Much much stronger! I love the ad as it is. It totally rocks. Can we turn it into a flier too?

LibertyEagle
10-07-2007, 06:18 PM
It's already being made into one. The same person that has been working on prettying up this ad, laid out the awesome mosaic flyer. You can see that in Lord Xar's Tool Chest in Campaign Materials.

appel
10-07-2007, 07:15 PM
Hurray!!! Good luck with the flyers, I hope my small donation helped :)

speciallyblend
10-07-2007, 08:11 PM
Hurray!!! Good luck with the flyers, I hope my small donation helped :)

Welcome and thanks

RCA
10-07-2007, 08:24 PM
The phone number needs a dash between Ron & Paul.

Also, I'm not sure if I would put the URL for RonPaulForPresident2008.com.

There are many other sites to advertise:

RonPaulLibrary.org

RonPaulForums.com

WatchRonPaul.com

RonPaulAudio.com

dc74rp
10-08-2007, 03:03 AM
It's being changed from "We Warned You....." to "We Warned Against......"?

I'm sure everyone's likely sick of the suggestions, you can't please everybody, and it's gotta get done. But I'd really like to know.

Considering it honestly, anytime someone uses the phrase "I warned you not to ......", I think the gut reaction is to want to disagree.

Ok. I'll shut up on the subject now so we can get this done and printed.

dc74rp
10-08-2007, 03:06 AM
Now that the funding goal is reached, if we keep contributing can that count for future ads?

Jared Callanan
10-08-2007, 05:35 AM
I love the ad, look forward to hanging it on my wall. When is it going to run?

LibertyEagle
10-08-2007, 07:21 AM
The phone number needs a dash between Ron & Paul.

Also, I'm not sure if I would put the URL for RonPaulForPresident2008.com.

There are many other sites to advertise:

RonPaulLibrary.org

RonPaulForums.com

WatchRonPaul.com

RonPaulAudio.com

I DEFINITELY would not use RonPaulForums!! However, I think you have a good point about replacing RonPaulforPresident with something else.

Question_Authority
10-08-2007, 07:27 AM
PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE ronpaulforpresident2008.com in the ad!!!! This is a very slow loading, scattered, almost messy, busy, and amateur web site.

Here are my choices:

ronpaul2008.com
RonPaulAudio.com
lewrockwell.com/paul/

PLUS maybe tell people to "Google Ron Paul" and "Youtube Ron paul". Something like that.

LibertyEagle
10-08-2007, 07:37 AM
PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE ronpaulforpresident2008.com in the ad!!!! This is a very slow loading, scattered, almost messy, busy, and amateur web site.

Here are my choices:

ronpaul2008.com
RonPaulAudio.com
lewrockwell.com/paul/

PLUS maybe tell people to "Google Ron Paul" and "Youtube Ron paul". Something like that.

RonPaul2008.com is already on there. I'd say no to ronpaulaudio, because of stuff like this on their website. It really feeds into the 911 truther issue. Now, no one get all upset about this. This is just not Dr. Paul's position and this is an Ad to further HIS campaign.


DOCUMENTARY FILM:
Ron Paul, regarding the motives behind the 911 attack, pointed out to Giuliani that in 1953, dubbed operation Ajax, the United States and British Petroleum, orchestrated the covert overthrow of Iran′s popular and overwhelmingly elected Prime Minister Mohammed Mosedec and installed the Shah. An intervention the people of Iran still resent to this day (blowback).That was the mistake of a long gone administration. We don′t do that stuff anymore.
Do we?

wgadget
10-08-2007, 07:50 AM
RonPaul2008.com is already on there. I'd say no to ronpaulaudio, because of stuff like this on their website. It really feeds into the 911 truther issue. Now, no one get all upset about this. This is just not Dr. Paul's position and this is an Ad to further HIS campaign.

www.ronpaullibrary.org


Full of inspiring and informational articles by the best candidate to ever run for President.

ItsTime
10-08-2007, 07:51 AM
Do not put anything that is not directly related to the campaign.... lets not get out of control here. WE ARE TRYING TO WIN not drive traffic to sites.

LibertyEagle
10-08-2007, 07:56 AM
It's my opinion that ronpaullibrary.org is safe, because nothing is on there besides Ron Paul speeches and books. For that reason, I like it.

But, that is the only other site that I would even consider listing, besides the campaign site and the campaign phone number.

Green Mountain Boy
10-08-2007, 08:08 AM
It's my opinion that ronpaullibrary.org is safe, because nothing is on there besides Ron Paul speeches and books. For that reason, I like it.

But, that is the only other site that I would even consider listing, besides the campaign site and the campaign phone number.

I agree. Go with ronpaullibrary.org

DJ RP
10-08-2007, 08:54 AM
ronpaullibrary.com and ronpaulstopdreaming.com

AlexAmore
10-08-2007, 10:59 AM
RonPaul2008.com is already on there. I'd say no to ronpaulaudio, because of stuff like this on their website. It really feeds into the 911 truther issue. Now, no one get all upset about this. This is just not Dr. Paul's position and this is an Ad to further HIS campaign.

But please eliminate ronpaulforpresident2008.com . It is not a professionally done site. Slow loading, messy, overwhelming. Just not good!

Question_Authority
10-08-2007, 11:10 AM
Since I cannot print out the flyer, I cannot be certain, but it appears that the fonts may be difficult to read, especially the "warned you of" sentences. There is a busy background that may overpower the text as well.

The most important aspect of any ad is READABILITY, not fancy fonts and graphics. The word Revolution is hard to read too. What if you made all lower case except for the R?

I know this is getting crazy with all the feedback, but this is a huge investment and it is very important that this get done right.

Realize that many older people (who are good voting citizens) may not be able to read this very graphic-rich fancy-font ad.

And if something is not EASILY readable, people will pass it by. It is a basic concept of ad design.

ALso please get rid of the ronpaulforpresident2008 link. BAD WEB SITE.

DrNoZone
10-08-2007, 11:34 AM
I agree. Go with ronpaullibrary.org

I agree with that an up the ante: www.ronpaulportal.com and www.ronpaulaudio.com

nayjevin
10-08-2007, 11:59 AM
.Anyone so damn uptight that they would take offense to the founders "endorsing" Ron Paul in an ad has serious psychological issues...not our voter anyway

I disagree, as I am one of those people.

How bout this ad:

POLITICS ARE BULLSHIT

Ron Paul Agrees

And He's Won More Straw Polls Than Any Other Candidate

www.ronpaul2008.com

LibertyEagle
10-08-2007, 12:02 PM
Max is going to use ronpaul2008.com , 1-877-RON-2008, and youtube: Ron Paul Stop Dreaming.

I think that will work great. :)

LibertyEagle
10-08-2007, 12:04 PM
Folks, he is going to show us the edited version of the Ad BEFORE it goes to print. Everyone will have one last stab at it, to make very small tweaks. I emphasize the words "small" and "tweaks". No major changes will be made.

DJ RP
10-08-2007, 01:34 PM
If he's using Youtube: Ron paul stop dreaming then use the link www.ronpaulstopdreaming.com which links directly to it. I think Brian registered it so thank him.

saynotoslavery
10-22-2007, 05:30 PM
What exactly is some people beef with my site in this forum?





The phone number needs a dash between Ron & Paul.

Also, I'm not sure if I would put the URL for RonPaulForPresident2008.com.

There are many other sites to advertise:

RonPaulLibrary.org

RonPaulForums.com

WatchRonPaul.com

RonPaulAudio.com

saynotoslavery
10-22-2007, 05:34 PM
Thanks for your vote of confidence.

I suppose you would like to float me a few hundred for a dedicated server and to pay several people to do updates and improvements?

Why are some people in this forum seemingly HOSTILE about my site?
I'm doing the best I can for my first website.
Sheesh. I'm ONE person trying to contribute to Ron Paul.



But please eliminate ronpaulforpresident2008.com . It is not a professionally done site. Slow loading, messy, overwhelming. Just not good!

Lord Xar
10-22-2007, 05:52 PM
Thanks for your vote of confidence.

I suppose you would like to float me a few hundred for a dedicated server and to pay several people to do updates and improvements?

Why are some people in this forum seemingly HOSTILE about my site?
I'm doing the best I can for my first website.
Sheesh. I'm ONE person trying to contribute to Ron Paul.

hahaha.. I agree. I don't know why either. I like your site. I do. To me, its a good site.

I think what the general concensus is that its not "professional" in the sense of corporate branding/identity. You have a good site, but it is not saying "corporate/polical legitimacy".. you know what i mean. I think what most here are saying is that if someone new comes to the campaign, they shouldn't go to a fan site - but the HQ site. I don't think its a bomb on you so much as people want newcomers to go to the source.

Hang your head high. I personally like your site. Others have criticized it, but I like the layout and such.

DO NOT get discouraged. You are doing the best you can, and it is a good site.

me3
10-22-2007, 05:54 PM
Why are some people in this forum seemingly HOSTILE about my site?
I'm doing the best I can for my first website.
Sheesh. I'm ONE person trying to contribute to Ron Paul.
You're doing a great job, don't get discouraged.

LibertyEagle
10-22-2007, 05:56 PM
Thanks for your vote of confidence.

I suppose you would like to float me a few hundred for a dedicated server and to pay several people to do updates and improvements?

Why are some people in this forum seemingly HOSTILE about my site?
I'm doing the best I can for my first website.
Sheesh. I'm ONE person trying to contribute to Ron Paul.

You have a great site. It's what Lord Xar said. We're trying to just direct them to official campaign stuff, for the most part.

Thanks for all you do. Please keep it up. :)

saynotoslavery
10-22-2007, 06:07 PM
Thank you Lord Xar.

It's funny you should mention "corporate branding" as it is ironic since it is a grassroots effort.

However out of all the other non official Ron Paul sites none of them strike me as "corporate" either.

I'm not trying to compete with the campaign site. I only offer mine up as news source for stories & videos not on Paul's site. I get dozens of emails from people who like the site.

I have been addressing the slow loading by rewriting the video code and chunking the archive pages. As you can imagine however keeping up with the latest news and trying to code the site for improvements is a 16 hour day job sometimes.

There have been many improvements as of late: RSS, new format, pop up videos with dimming, New navigation menu etc, etc,

Soon I will be adding a contribute section in which authors can write original content articles and submit in an editorial type section.

Improvements are happening at the quickest pace a single person can do.

I do this out of my heart for the movement and for Ron Paul. Nothing else.

Thanks!




hahaha.. I agree. I don't know why either. I like your site. I do. To me, its a good site.

I think what the general concensus is that its not "professional" in the sense of corporate branding/identity. You have a good site, but it is not saying "corporate/polical legitimacy".. you know what i mean. I think what most here are saying is that if someone new comes to the campaign, they shouldn't go to a fan site - but the HQ site. I don't think its a bomb on you so much as people want newcomers to go to the source.

Hang your head high. I personally like your site. Others have criticized it, but I like the layout and such.

DO NOT get discouraged. You are doing the best you can, and it is a good site.

Lord Xar
10-22-2007, 06:10 PM
Thank you Lord Xar.

It's funny you should mention "corporate branding" as it is ironic since it is a grassroots effort.

However out of all the other non official Ron Paul sites none of them strike me as "corporate" either.

I'm not trying to compete with the campaign site. I only offer mine up as news source for stories & videos not on Paul's site. I get dozens of emails from people who like the site.

I have been addressing the slow loading by rewriting the video code and chunking the archive pages. As you can imagine however keeping up with the latest news and trying to code the site for improvements is a 16 hour day job sometimes.

There have been many improvements as of late: RSS, new format, pop up videos with dimming, New navigation menu etc, etc,

Soon I will be adding a contribute section in which authors can write original content articles and submit in an editorial type section.

Improvements are happening at the quickest pace a single person can do.

I do this out of my heart for the movement and Ron Paul. Nothing else.

Thanks!

I am with you... you are right, its all grassroots.. infact, I believe some flyers I have of yours that I am selling have your address on there.. I think though, for 'advertisements' its probably best to just point people to the source.

I think in terms of fan sites, yours and dailypaul are the only sites I go to.......(besides here, of course).

LibertyEagle
10-22-2007, 06:11 PM
saynotoslavery:

It's my understanding that only the official campaign site is going to be listed in this ad. With the exception of providing them a link to Aravoth's "Stop Dreaming" video.

Your site is however listed on the 2-page Founding Father flyers. So, I hope you're expecting a lot of extra traffic. :)

Please don't get discouraged. You're doing such a wonderful job and we appreciate you so much.

saynotoslavery
10-22-2007, 06:49 PM
Thanks guys.

It can be a bit discouraging at times when I do something for free and I am met with disparity.

I completely understand pointing newcomers to the official sources and I take no issues with that.

Sites like Daily Paul benefit from advertising and articles written by multiple people via a content mangement system. I intend to offer something similar soon but with no advertising.

I hope upgrading from shared hosting to virtual server and recoding will help.

Thanks again.

work2win
10-22-2007, 07:52 PM
Max, thanks for your hard work, and for hanging with this.

The debates we have over ads are heated because of how much we all care. Just imagine how the debates on the Constitution must have been!

saynotoslavery
10-22-2007, 11:42 PM
Thank you.

I'm always open to constructive suggestions.



Max, thanks for your hard work, and for hanging with this.

The debates we have over ads are heated because of how much we all care. Just imagine how the debates on the Constitution must have been!

Question_Authority
10-24-2007, 02:34 PM
Thank you.

I'm always open to constructive suggestions.

Sorry, but apparently you are not always open to constructive suggestions, even from professional web designers, which tends to boggle the mind.

I have suggested to you through PM that you NOT promote this web site to newcomers to Ron Paul. The content is not geared toward the newbie. They will be overwhelmed.

Your web site IS great for people already hooked on Ron Paul who want to be updated on every tidbit associated with the campaign, every word Rp says, every step he takes, and every mention he gets, good or bad, on MSM.

I only object to you requesting that others promote your site on their ad materials. For one thing, based on the domain name, it could easily be confused with the official campaign web site!

And I'm sorry, but nobody's first attempt at a web site is very good! When I started in web design, I was humble enough to realize that my first web site should not be dedicated to something as crucial as a presidential campaign!

Yes, the people on this forum like your site, because they already LOVE Ron Paul. But one thing an *experienced* web designer knows is that you must make the content fit with your target audience. No newbie is going to be swayed by the big banners shouting for funds, heavy graphics, scrolling and flashing text, and and the 8 billion links and videos.

Use it as a clearinghouse for "all things Ron Paul" yes. But please be wise enough to not use it as a marketing tool.

saynotoslavery
02-22-2008, 04:23 PM
Still spewing your petty hate propaganda against one of the most popular Ron Paul news sites on the Internet huh?

http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/


Let me ask you something Question Authority where is your grassroots Ron Paul site? How many countless months have you dedicated on your Ron Paul website to bring the freedom message to the masses.

It's naysayers like you that dissuade aspiring grassroots efforts for Ron Paul. You're a hack and contribute NOTHING with your negativity.





PLEASE DO NOT INCLUDE ronpaulforpresident2008.com in the ad!!!! This is a very slow loading, scattered, almost messy, busy, and amateur web site.

Here are my choices:

ronpaul2008.com
RonPaulAudio.com
lewrockwell.com/paul/

PLUS maybe tell people to "Google Ron Paul" and "Youtube Ron paul". Something like that.