Really Bad News From Europe

[powerofreason]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6488240/David-Cameron-to-tell-voters-no-vote-on-Lisbon-Treaty.html



David Cameron is to tell the British people that a Conservative government will not give them a referendum on the European Union’s Lisbon Treaty.

I can't believe this bullshit. This is unreal. The Lisbon Treaty is an abomination. It has been rejected again and again and again by the people AND STILL they will pass it. One step closer to World Government. :mad:

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

This is old news.

[powerofreason]

This is old news.

New to me lol.

[awake]

EU; You are free to join... but try and leave, just see what happens.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

New to me lol.

Touche.

[Chieftain1776]

I only heard about it because I follow Daniel Hannan in the news. He is causing a ruckus over it (http://www.rttnews.com/ArticleView.aspx?Id=1118204&SMap=1):


(RTTNews) - Daniel Hannan, the outspoken Conservative MEP for South East England, has resigned as European legal spokesman in protest at his party leader David Cameron's stance on the Lisbon Treaty.

Hannan's resignation came as Cameron said he could no longer consider holding a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty for at least four to five years if the Tories win the general election, now that it had been ratified by all 27 European Union countries.

Hannan, a leading Eurosceptic, who became the Tory spokesman on legal affairs in the European Parliament in September, said he would be returning to the back benches to campaign for direct democracy that will see power in the hands of individual citizens.

Calling for support from fellow Conservatives to join him to fight for a referendum, he said the "Conservatives are for a referendum: a proper, deep-cleansing referendum that will settle whether our country remains subordinate, or becomes self-governing".
Hannan, who secured political notoriety for describing the NHS as a relic and 60-year mistake, has decided to concentrate on shelving some E.U. policies and never again allow powers to be passed to Brussels without a vote in Britain. He argued that the issue of referendums goes beyond Europe and the Lisbon Treaty.

"I want open primaries, popular initiative procedures, elected sheriffs, self-financing councils, an end to quangos, recall mechanisms and, yes, referendums--lots and lots of referendums," he said.

However, Hannan said that his decision was not an attack on Cameron's decision to no longer hold a Lisbon Treaty referendum.

[ravedown]

"an end to quangos"

yeah...good idea..i hate quangos!

[Chieftain1776]

"an end to quangos"

yeah...good idea..i hate quangos!

I didn't know what it meant and he explained it one time (I think on Freedom Watch). It's basically a bureaucracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quango).

Just re-watched this piece of greatness:

YouTube - Daniel Hannan MEP: The devalued Prime Minister of a devalued Government (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs)

[ramallamamama]

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100018459/at-midnight-last-night-the-united-kingdom-ceased-to-be-a-sovereign-state/

At midnight last night, the United Kingdom ceased to be a sovereign state

We woke up in a different country today. Alright, it doesn’t look very different. The trees still seem black against the winter sun; the motorways continue to jam inexplicably; commuters carry on avoiding eye contact. But Britain is no longer a sovereign nation. At midnight last night, we ceased to be an independent state, bound by international treaties to other independent states, and became instead a subordinate unit within a European state.

Yes, a European state. Take a quick dekko at the definition set out in Article One of the1933 Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States: “The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.”

Until yesterday, the EU qualified on grounds (a), (b) and (c). Now it has ticked the final box. Under the Lisbon Treaty, which came into force today, it acquires “legal personality”, which gives it the right to sign accords and treat with other states. Nor is this right simply theoretical: the EU now has a foreign minister, a diplomatic corps (the European External Action Service) and 160 overseas embassies.

Until yesterday, the EU could not annex additional policy areas without a new treaty, which needed to be ratified by all its constituent nations. Now, it has the so-called “passerelle” clause, or self-amending mechanism. Parliament, in other words, no longer has the final say on extensions of EU jurisdiction. The EU derives its authority, not from its 27 members, but from its own foundational texts.

Until yesterday, Britain could simply walk out of the EU by abrogating the Treaty of Rome and repealing the 1972 European Communities Act. Henceforth, it will have to go through the secession procedure laid down in Lisbon. In other words – in the minds of Euro-lawyers, at any rate, if not of British constitutionalists – the EU gets to settle the terms on which its members are allowed to leave. Formal sovereignty has been shifted from the national capitals to Brussels.

It is appalling, demeaning, disgraceful that such a thing should have been done without popular consent, and in the absence of the referendum that all three parties had promised. “There’s no point in crying over spilt milk,” you might say. True. But there is every point in mopping it up.