View Full Version : WTF's up with people here wanting TV personalities running for Pres?
Ian A.
11-07-2009, 07:51 PM
Paul/Beck 2012 ??
Paul/Napolitano ??
Seriously guys, why don't we toss around ideas like Baldwin or Johnson, or someone with political experience.
Judge Napolitano, as awesome as he is, cannot be a choice for a national office at this time. Realistically, Dr. Paul would need to select someone who is more "establishment-friendly" to be his choice. I am waiting for someone to put Alan Grayson/Ron Paul in 2012...crazy RPF.
Flash
11-07-2009, 07:55 PM
Judge Napolitano, as awesome as he is, cannot be a choice for a national office at this time. Realistically, Dr. Paul would need to select someone who is more "establishment-friendly" to be his choice. I am waiting for someone to put Alan Grayson/Ron Paul in 2012...crazy RPF.
Ron Paul/Michele Bachmann? She seems to agree with Ron Paul on most issues and is loved by conservatives.
revolutionisnow
11-07-2009, 07:56 PM
I want to know who the jokers are that voted Paul/Jones.
Ron Paul/Michele Bachmann? She seems to agree with Ron Paul on most issues and is loved by conservatives.
That would be more widely accepted. Even Bill O'Reilly likes Bachmann. Bachmann reminds the Neo-Cons of Sarah Palin, so they like her.
EDIT: It also helps her case that she is a big Thomas Woods fan.
What's wrong with Napolitano?
emazur
11-07-2009, 08:43 PM
I don't think of Napolitano as TV personality, I think of him as a libertarian superior court judge who knows the Constitution.
The Deacon
11-07-2009, 08:46 PM
There's no comparison between Napolitano and Beck, from here.
ctiger2
11-07-2009, 08:47 PM
Ron Paul/Michele Bachmann? She seems to agree with Ron Paul on most issues and is loved by conservatives.
No Way! Bachmann is the say-what-it-takes-go-with-the-flow-to-get-re-elected type of politician. She has 0 integrity.
http://gregladen.com/wordpress/wp-content/graphics/Bachmann_Bush.jpg
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/upload/2006/10/bachmann_bush.jpg
Dr.3D
11-07-2009, 08:55 PM
Well, the 'American' people like TV personalities. They also like movie stars. (Reagan)
Isn't a political race more of a personality contest? Don't people like to vote for those are are familiar with? Lot's of people like TV personalities and movie stars. How in the world would anybody believe a movie star would be qualified to be president of the United States? (thinks of Reagan again) Must be people believe it takes an actor to be a good president, after all, an actor has to be good at fooling people into believing he is someone else when playing a part in a movie.
teamrican1
11-07-2009, 08:58 PM
Beck I can understand, but Judge Napolitano is no mere "TV personality". He graduated from Princeton and then went on to Notre Dame for law school. He went on to become the youngest life tenured Superior Court judge in the history of New Jersey. He taught Law for over a decade. He has written four scholarly books on government and politics. He resume absolutely blows Barack Obama's out of the water. So I think he is more than qualified for VP. Now that doesn't mean I think he should be a VP. Frankly, he's too important for such a pitiful post. His best role is to continue his work as one of the strongest advocates for the liberty cause in the mainstream media and if a pro liberty candidate were to win the Presidency, I'd want Andrew Napolitano as Attorney General, not VP.
klamath
11-07-2009, 09:05 PM
What get's me is the people that want a media personality and not just any media personality but an idiot pro wrestler TV personalty.
FindLiberty
11-07-2009, 09:05 PM
IMO, the pop-celebrity pres idea is just a phase...
It usually sets in after your favorite 3rd party is ignored by the MSM and your candidate is excluded
from the televised debates. You still hope that the message can be disseminated to the masses...
Then the dream dies.
After that, you realize it's all a sick, rigged game to position two cfr approved "insider" puppet
candidates that only need to appear to be running against each other. The cooperation of the msm
makes this easy.
One or both candidates must require a dash of charm to become the next POTUS. No eloquence
or reason is required. You don't even have to be a natural born citizen any more.
Just get up there and promise the most (in a very convincing manner) to the masses.
andrewh817
11-07-2009, 10:28 PM
or someone with political experience.
Can someone please define political experience??? And if so, why is it a desirable trait?
BlackTerrel
11-07-2009, 10:56 PM
Paul/Beck 2012 ??
Paul/Napolitano ??
Seriously guys, why don't we toss around ideas like Baldwin or Johnson, or someone with political experience.
Alec Baldwin?
jsu718
11-07-2009, 11:00 PM
Haven't you guys seen Man of the Year??? That's probably why.
coyote_sprit
11-07-2009, 11:01 PM
What get's me is the people that want a media personality and not just any media personality but an idiot pro wrestler TV personalty.
Hey man, I enjoy wresting and even I dislike Ventura.
Dieseler
11-07-2009, 11:11 PM
Ron Paul / Big Poppa Pump
Raw 2012
Paul/Beck 2012 ??
Paul/Napolitano ??
Seriously guys, why don't we toss around ideas like Baldwin or Johnson, or someone with political experience.
Ummm what do you think Ventura is? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
tonesforjonesbones
11-07-2009, 11:56 PM
Beck/Napolitano..but realistically for me Paul/Bachman. We need a woman to go up against barry soetoro. tones
Captain Bryan
11-08-2009, 12:17 AM
ron paul / big poppa pump
raw 2012
lol
:D:D:D
Zippyjuan
11-08-2009, 12:29 AM
Name recognition is extremly helpful in a campaign- unless you have a negative public image. One it can help with fundraising. If you have enough money, you can build the name recognition. Who knew the name Barak Obama two or three years ago? In his case I think it helped more who he was NOT. He was not Hillary Clinton and he was not George Bush. And he had a nice smile and didn't get flustered. Reagan had a nice smile too. So did Jimmy Carter. Nixon did not have a nice smile. Neither did LBJ. They were both grumpy looking most of the time.
Ninja Homer
11-08-2009, 12:53 AM
What get's me is the people that want a media personality and not just any media personality but an idiot pro wrestler TV personalty.
I get your point, but if it comes down to Obama vs another neocon, I think you'll be jumping for joy with the rest of us if Ventura throws his hat in the ring with an independent run. Ventura won't be competing with any liberty candidates in the Republican primaries, so think of it as plan B.
He'd probably start out with a high enough percentage to get in the debates, and the media already loves him. He may seem like an idiot, but remember that it was his job for many years to act the part of the idiot bad guy wrestler, and I can't think of anybody better at it. He's also very good at taking some of Ron Paul's talking points and dumbing them down into 30-second sound bites that the average American TV viewer can understand. One thing I think we can all agree on is that he needs to study up on his Austrian economics.
RideTheDirt
11-08-2009, 12:56 AM
I want to know who the jokers are that voted Paul/Jones.
http://cdn0.knowyourmeme.com/i/1582/original/picard-facepalm.jpg
GunnyFreedom
11-08-2009, 12:56 AM
I don't think of Napolitano as TV personality, I think of him as a libertarian superior court judge who knows the Constitution.
This.
Napolitano spent the vast majority of his career as a Justice and Constitutional scholar. the TV thing is very, very recent to his career.
This.
Napolitano spent the vast majority of his career as a Justice and Constitutional scholar. the TV thing is very, very recent to his career.
Not to mention he'd wipe Biden up and down the stage in a debate.
BillyDkid
11-08-2009, 06:27 AM
Paul/Beck 2012 ??
Paul/Napolitano ??
Seriously guys, why don't we toss around ideas like Baldwin or Johnson, or someone with political experience.Well, first, you shouldn't need to be a professional politician to run for President. The last thing we need is more "politicians". Second, the judge is a judge and not merely a TV personality.
Carole
11-08-2009, 09:30 AM
Ron Paul/Michele Bachmann? She seems to agree with Ron Paul on most issues and is loved by conservatives.
Not mention "hated" by liberals. :o:D
Meatwasp
11-08-2009, 10:22 AM
Well, the 'American' people like TV personalities. They also like movie stars. (Reagan)
Isn't a political race more of a personality contest? Don't people like to vote for those are are familiar with? Lot's of people like TV personalities and movie stars. How in the world would anybody believe a movie star would be qualified to be president of the United States? (thinks of Reagan again) Must be people believe it takes an actor to be a good president, after all, an actor has to be good at fooling people into believing he is someone else when playing a part in a movie.
Reagan was president of the Movie guild or union(forgot which) and fought the commies who were infiltrating it. That was why he was hated so much by Hollywood. He had experience.
Slutter McGee
11-08-2009, 11:35 AM
My dream ticket would be a Ron Paul/ Walter Williams ticket. Williams would bring in the Rush crowd pretty well, and is about the only columnist who was complimenting Paul before the election ever happened. Combine that with his free-market views as an Economics Prof. (granted, more Chicago school than Austrian), The fact that he has promoted FSP in his columns, is often a guest host for Limbaugh, and is black, and you have a winning ticket.
The problem is the age. They are both getting up there a bit.
Slutter McGee
Krugerrand
11-09-2009, 08:05 AM
Add John Mackey to the mix ... a lack of political experience is a GOOD thing. An abundance of executive experience is a GOOD thing.
If the goal is to get Ron Paul in the WH, then Paul/Bachman is the way to go. Paul/Bachman would unite and energize the entire spectrum of right thinking voters and would be an impossible ticket to stop.
tajitj
11-09-2009, 10:21 AM
Judge Napolitano, as awesome as he is, cannot be a choice for a national office at this time. Realistically, Dr. Paul would need to select someone who is more "establishment-friendly" to be his choice. I am waiting for someone to put Alan Grayson/Ron Paul in 2012...crazy RPF.
That is so different, but I would love every second of it. The most hated, controversial men in the House team up.
Send Beck to the curb, he is the kind of anti intellectual say whatever is popular kind of idiot who was fighting against us not to long ago.
The Judge is great, TV personality or not, he knows his history and is right on every issue I have ever heard him speak on.
I am also saddened to see so many throw Bachmanns name around. Is it not foreign policy and the police state measures that is our glue. She is no friend of noninterventionist foreign policy, or even a critic of the Patriot Act.
ramallamamama
11-09-2009, 10:26 AM
Cmon, does anyone actually think it matters who runs/gets elected? PFT
GunnyFreedom
11-09-2009, 10:36 AM
Judge Napolitano, as awesome as he is, cannot be a choice for a national office at this time. Realistically, Dr. Paul would need to select someone who is more "establishment-friendly" to be his choice. I am waiting for someone to put Alan Grayson/Ron Paul in 2012...crazy RPF.
Alan Grayson is a socialist. Just because he opposes the Fed does not make him an ally in anything else. Indeed, he is a primary champion of all these government healthcare monstrosities. I am a Constitutionalist, and will sooner die than to vote for a Constitution-trashing marxist-socialist.
I do not comprehend this support of Alan Grayson, just because he doesn't like the Federal Reserve? Sure, support him on that issue, but on every other issue is is worse than most.
Dreamofunity
11-09-2009, 12:01 PM
What's wrong with Napolitano?
Fox News.
Pants
11-09-2009, 01:45 PM
Its almost like listing to Rush Limbaugh or Hannity and callers ask "why don't you run for President?".. Makes me want to hurl..
Do you honestly think a multi million dollar a year entertainer is going to step down and take a $300,000 a year job?
Its almost like listing to Rush Limbaugh or Hannity and callers ask "why don't you run for President?".. Makes me want to hurl..
Do you honestly think a multi million dollar a year entertainer is going to step down and take a $300,000 a year job?
$400,000. That extra hundred grand matters. ;)
ClayTrainor
11-09-2009, 02:25 PM
Paul/Beck 2012 ??
Paul/Napolitano ??
Seriously guys, why don't we toss around ideas like Baldwin or Johnson, or someone with political experience.
Beck and Napolitano cannot be compared. Judge Nap was a supreme court judge.
Baldwin would destroy our political progress and get our movement painted as "Christian Right".
Also, why the heck do you think politicians are needed here? We need to smash the paradigm, not play into it. If someone like Bachman is on the ticket, I will not be able to bring myself to promote it. Was she our friend during the bush years? I like the concept of John Mackey, or some sort of free-market entrepreneur taking the VP slot, but Ron Paul / Judge nap is my ideal ticket.
AuH20
11-09-2009, 02:28 PM
If the goal is to get Ron Paul in the WH, then Paul/Bachman is the way to go. Paul/Bachman would unite and energize the entire spectrum of right thinking voters and would be an impossible ticket to stop.
Bachmann, mother of 23 adopted children. I would love to see how the liberals would go after her with the typical class warfare garbage they promote.
jack555
11-09-2009, 02:36 PM
Beck and Napolitano cannot be compared. Judge Nap was a supreme court judge.
Baldwin would destroy our political progress and get our movement painted as "Christian Right".
Also, why the heck do you think politicians are needed here? We need to smash the paradigm, not play into it. If someone like Bachman is on the ticket, I will not be able to bring myself to promote it. Was she our friend during the bush years? I like the concept of John Mackey, or some sort of free-market entrepreneur taking the VP slot, but Ron Paul / Judge nap is my ideal ticket.
She is not as perfect as Ron Paul but for being a mainstream republican that almost everyone likes she could really be key in our success (and she is pretty good...). Paul/Bachman is genius and might be liberties only hope. I can't think of anyone else that we could like that would allow us to get mainstream success (a win).
ClayTrainor
11-09-2009, 02:52 PM
She is not as perfect as Ron Paul but for being a mainstream republican that almost everyone likes she could really be key in our success
She's not even close to ron paul, nor even in the same category, especially on foreign policy. Though she's quite good on domestic economic issues. Was she our friend during the bush years? Ask yourself that, very seriously.
We need to smash the left vs right paradigm, not play into it.
(and she is pretty good...). Paul/Bachman is genius and might be liberties only hope. I can't think of anyone else that we could like that would allow us to get mainstream success (a win).
I very highly doubt she could swing any lefties in the general.
tangent4ronpaul
11-09-2009, 02:53 PM
Napolitano would be great both as VP or AG - the big question is what would taking a different position do to his SC status.
Reagan was a good prez.
Arnold - well... not so good... except there was one quote while he was on the campaign trail that might make it all worth it:
“Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of their women… Wait a minute, that’s Conan.”
— California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, when asked by the New York Times to describe “his governing philosophy.”
The Thing about celebs is A) name recognition, B) the paparazzi will cover them even if the news media blacks them out so you get the lemming vote of all the tabloid readers - and that's unfortunately a significant voting block!
Jesse Ventura does have some political experience, is a bit strong headed, his (fake) wrestling career isn't a fan block that will turn an election and he has some baggage - like he's a 9/11 truther and there is some question as to if he was really a SEAL or just in UDT...
Realistically -the Judge would be perfect! - any actor would just be eye candy to keep the MSN from ignoring you.
Beckmann wouldn't be bad, ditto with Palin. They both have a huge republican following. But if you just want eye candy and name recognition it's gotta be: Paul/Opra for Prez! or if you can stomach it: Paul/Spears (Britney) for Prez! :rolleyes:
-t
emazur
11-09-2009, 02:58 PM
If the goal is to get Ron Paul in the WH, then Paul/Bachman is the way to go. Paul/Bachman would unite and energize the entire spectrum of right thinking voters and would be an impossible ticket to stop.
Bachman wouldn't nearly energize the right to the degree that Palin did (not that I want Palin either). Bachman is not so much a champion of the right as she is a demon of the left. From the left's point of view, she is the same as Palin, and if RP chose her it would kill any chance of winning over voters from the left. Paul doesn't need to win over the Palin/Bachman/social conservative wing of the party - they will hold their nose and vote for whoever the Presidential candidate who has an "R" next his name, conservative or not, just like they did w/ McCain. It's not like they're going to vote for Obama in 2012. Besides, I'd wager both Bachman and Palin would endorse RP if he got the nomination.
I think Walter Williams and Judge Nap would be great choices, but if Ron wanted to go for a conservative or libertarian conservative instead of flat-out libertarian, maybe Andrew Bacevich (the military vote) or Judge Jim Gray (who would appeal to conservatives, libertarians, and the anti-drug war left all at the same time) would be decent choices. The two bonuses about choosing Walter Williams would be that Ron Paul could completely sever the link to those fucking newsletters and could no longer be called a racist, and also Williams could win over the black vote, who were 90% pro-Obama in '08. Like the rest of us, they will not be happy so that the change Obama brought this country was a change for the worse, and will be open to looking for another candidate to vote for.
Old Ducker
11-09-2009, 02:59 PM
In the Ron Paul VP poll, I voted for Grayson. The reasons are that in addition to drawing in people from the left, he could be Paul's pitbull. Ron Paul in a gentleman living in a gentleman-less world. Grayson could perform the necessary task of calling spades spades.
klamath
11-09-2009, 03:03 PM
She's not even close to ron paul, nor even in the same category, especially on foreign policy. Though she's quite good on domestic economic issues. Was she our friend during the bush years? Ask yourself that, very seriously.
We need to smash the left vs right paradigm, not play into it.
I very highly doubt she could swing any lefties in the general.
Not that I am for Bachmann but yes she was with RP before Obama. Her voting record was better than 70% with RP while Bush in office one of the highest in the house. She unlike some Republicans didn't jump from 40% with RP while Bush was in office to 80% after Obama was in.(McCain) I did ask myself that very seriously and she came up looking good.
ClayTrainor
11-09-2009, 03:28 PM
Not that I am for Bachmann but yes she was with RP before Obama. Her voting record was better than 70% with RP while Bush in office one of the highest in the house. She unlike some Republicans didn't jump from 40% with RP while Bush was in office to 80% after Obama was in.(McCain) I did ask myself that very seriously and she came up looking good.
fair enough. I just know certain radical tidbits, like she's not wiling to take a Nuclear first strike off the table for Iran, and am totally turned off by that.
klamath
11-09-2009, 03:52 PM
fair enough. I just know certain radical tidbits, like she's not wiling to take a Nuclear first strike off the table for Iran, and am totally turned off by that.
She is not good on the war:( Thats the other 30 percent, however she is one of the few that RP endorsed in the last election so apparently he has some hope for her.
tangent4ronpaul
11-09-2009, 04:00 PM
I think Walter Williams and Judge Nap would be great choices, but if Ron wanted to go for a conservative or libertarian conservative instead of flat-out libertarian, maybe Andrew Bacevich (the military vote) or Judge Jim Gray (who would appeal to conservatives, libertarians, and the anti-drug war left all at the same time) would be decent choices. The two bonuses about choosing Walter Williams would be that Ron Paul could completely sever the link to those fucking newsletters and could no longer be called a racist, and also Williams could win over the black vote, who were 90% pro-Obama in '08. Like the rest of us, they will not be happy so that the change Obama brought this country was a change for the worse, and will be open to looking for another candidate to vote for.
Collin Powell would appeal to some on the left (he's a dem currently), the military, the right - as he served under Bush II, and black voters. If he'd jump party lines.
But yeah - The Judge, Bechmann or Palin.
-t
Slutter McGee
11-11-2009, 07:57 PM
I think Walter Williams and Judge Nap would be great choices, but if Ron wanted to go for a conservative or libertarian conservative instead of flat-out libertarian, maybe Andrew Bacevich (the military vote) or Judge Jim Gray (who would appeal to conservatives, libertarians, and the anti-drug war left all at the same time) would be decent choices. The two bonuses about choosing Walter Williams would be that Ron Paul could completely sever the link to those fucking newsletters and could no longer be called a racist, and also Williams could win over the black vote, who were 90% pro-Obama in '08. Like the rest of us, they will not be happy so that the change Obama brought this country was a change for the worse, and will be open to looking for another candidate to vote for.
God I love Williams. But two things the purists would have to accept. He is a monetarist....Chicago school, not Austrian. And he absolutely does not want to get involved in politics...which means I would support him even more.
Sincerely,
Slutter McGee
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