JXL78
11-05-2009, 01:31 PM
Just wanted you guys to read some of this... **bangs head on desk**...lol
many people in the U.S have swallowed this massive propaganda pill that suggests that somehow socialist structure leads to the removal of freedom. They distort what socialism actually is as a result of a conservative fear. Canada has many social programs and I have total choice. if i feel sick i can go to any clinic i want, and it's automatically covered. it takes like 5 seconds to sign in.
I might have to wait about 30 minutes
I don't have to go to some appointed hospital
I get help from what ever doctor is working
that doctor gets to work where ever the fuck he wants
What you're calling socialism sounds more like some sort of Stalinism.
"...$20 dollar bill in your pocket you should give $5 to each of them...."
This is the type of stuff that i'm talking about. WHY -- on EARTH, would you think that me supporting the BLIND distribution of wealth, would be in any way hypocritical of my socialist values? you clearly have no understanding of socialist democratic systems. it has nothing to do with the blind redistribution of wealth.
It has everything to do with realizing that YOUR FREEDOM is only valuable inside a social area. human beings are pack animals, and it's important for everyone who isn't a psychopath to see his neighbor thrive. that's called "love" -- and as you know, love is predicated on a healthy love of self, not self sacrifice. freedom is central to any socialist system working properly -- but we've got a problem here -- should we support one's freedom to be sociopathic and care only for himself?
NO. we fucking shouldn't:
the only solution to suffering is genuine human compassion, and that means having the desire to GIVE OF YOURSELF. this is an emotionally and spiritual evolved issue and we need some sort of structure to encourage people to mature to the point where the can operate in this way. This is the "higher standard" that i'm talking about.
YES. it's more mature to care if my neighbor thrives, and to be less concerned about taking for myself, and if we're going to move forward as a culture, we've got to stand up and fucking announce that.
now- this concept of the people in the military being somehow automatically heroes because they're serving their country, and somehow I'm NOT, is bullshit.. and it's EXACTLY the type of problem that I'm speaking to. you and your family are a part of your culture and as such, you contribute to america. your serving your country right now, but entering into a debate that will create new ideas. hopefully we'll both be lifted up. if that isn't a service to the country, i dont know what is.
now note -- even the most staunch conservative will support socialism in SOME area. it does work in the military, quite well.
but if we do away with the concept that the mlitary are the only people who are serving the country, and we decide to create a governing body that holds the people to a standard higher than egocentrism, why the hell shouldn't I get free health care? do we really WANT a culture that only supports people being ready to die for their country? is that what we really want as a standard? doesn't that seem sort of.. well.. totally fucked up?
the concept that you, you patriot, would avoid having a CHILD because you couldn't afford it.. that's.. horrific! that's horrible!
don't you feel like you live in a culture that has failed you, when you're afraid to do the most basic of all human behaviors? this is a goddamn war against fucking evolution!
Then there is this...I guess this situation means we should embrace socialism...
Thought everyone would like to see this video where the parents of a murdered boy are billed $30K for 5 minutes in the emergency room.
YouTube - Sorry About Your Dead Son; That Will Be $29,186.50, Please (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j5junlHe7Q&feature=player_embedded)
But it's the free market, I guess next time their son is murdered they can go to a different hospital. Kind of like how if you don't like Sony TVs, next time you can buy a Panasonic
many people in the U.S have swallowed this massive propaganda pill that suggests that somehow socialist structure leads to the removal of freedom. They distort what socialism actually is as a result of a conservative fear. Canada has many social programs and I have total choice. if i feel sick i can go to any clinic i want, and it's automatically covered. it takes like 5 seconds to sign in.
I might have to wait about 30 minutes
I don't have to go to some appointed hospital
I get help from what ever doctor is working
that doctor gets to work where ever the fuck he wants
What you're calling socialism sounds more like some sort of Stalinism.
"...$20 dollar bill in your pocket you should give $5 to each of them...."
This is the type of stuff that i'm talking about. WHY -- on EARTH, would you think that me supporting the BLIND distribution of wealth, would be in any way hypocritical of my socialist values? you clearly have no understanding of socialist democratic systems. it has nothing to do with the blind redistribution of wealth.
It has everything to do with realizing that YOUR FREEDOM is only valuable inside a social area. human beings are pack animals, and it's important for everyone who isn't a psychopath to see his neighbor thrive. that's called "love" -- and as you know, love is predicated on a healthy love of self, not self sacrifice. freedom is central to any socialist system working properly -- but we've got a problem here -- should we support one's freedom to be sociopathic and care only for himself?
NO. we fucking shouldn't:
the only solution to suffering is genuine human compassion, and that means having the desire to GIVE OF YOURSELF. this is an emotionally and spiritual evolved issue and we need some sort of structure to encourage people to mature to the point where the can operate in this way. This is the "higher standard" that i'm talking about.
YES. it's more mature to care if my neighbor thrives, and to be less concerned about taking for myself, and if we're going to move forward as a culture, we've got to stand up and fucking announce that.
now- this concept of the people in the military being somehow automatically heroes because they're serving their country, and somehow I'm NOT, is bullshit.. and it's EXACTLY the type of problem that I'm speaking to. you and your family are a part of your culture and as such, you contribute to america. your serving your country right now, but entering into a debate that will create new ideas. hopefully we'll both be lifted up. if that isn't a service to the country, i dont know what is.
now note -- even the most staunch conservative will support socialism in SOME area. it does work in the military, quite well.
but if we do away with the concept that the mlitary are the only people who are serving the country, and we decide to create a governing body that holds the people to a standard higher than egocentrism, why the hell shouldn't I get free health care? do we really WANT a culture that only supports people being ready to die for their country? is that what we really want as a standard? doesn't that seem sort of.. well.. totally fucked up?
the concept that you, you patriot, would avoid having a CHILD because you couldn't afford it.. that's.. horrific! that's horrible!
don't you feel like you live in a culture that has failed you, when you're afraid to do the most basic of all human behaviors? this is a goddamn war against fucking evolution!
Then there is this...I guess this situation means we should embrace socialism...
Thought everyone would like to see this video where the parents of a murdered boy are billed $30K for 5 minutes in the emergency room.
YouTube - Sorry About Your Dead Son; That Will Be $29,186.50, Please (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-j5junlHe7Q&feature=player_embedded)
But it's the free market, I guess next time their son is murdered they can go to a different hospital. Kind of like how if you don't like Sony TVs, next time you can buy a Panasonic