Alan Grayson's money bomb makes noise

[bobbyw24]

Grayson's money bomb makes noise

Borrowing from Ron Paul, U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson kicked off a "money bomb" today, and by his telling, it's going really well.

As of 4 p.m., Grayson's Web site shows $433,000 has been collected, exceeding a stated goal of $400,000.

"Today, the 2010 elections are one year away," reads a message on the site. "Show America that when someone speaks out for progressive values, for American values, for YOU, he will have the support he needs to win. This is a message to Republicans, to insiders, and to special interests that the truth is powerful."

The Orlando Democrat continues to attract attention, both good and bad. The New York Times on Sunday had a piece on him that cast him as the "liberals' problem child."

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Posted by Alex Leary at 04:15:12 PM on November 2, 2009
in Alan Grayson , Alex Leary , Fundraising | Permalink


http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz/2009/11/graysons-money-bomb-makes-noise.html

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I hope no-one here is donating to him.....

[brandon]

wtf

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Holy cow. He clobbered our money bombs for Rand Paul and Peter Schiff with way less promotion time. Maybe there is something to the candidate themselves declaring their own money bomb.

According to this (http://congressmanwithguts.com/) (assuming the starting total was $0); he has raised $502,444 since November 2nd.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

Holy cow. He clobbered our money bombs for Rand Paul and Peter Schiff with way less promotion time. Maybe there is something to the candidate themselves declaring their own money bomb.

And perhaps the left is more energized than most people think.

[rprprs]

Holy cow. He clobbered our money bombs for Rand Paul and Peter Schiff with way less promotion time. Maybe there is something to the candidate themselves declaring their own money bomb.

According to this (http://congressmanwithguts.com/) (assuming the starting total was $0); he has raised $502,444 since November 2nd.

I think it's more likely that his recent outlandish behavior has gained him far more face time and coverage in the MSM.

[Flash]

This is a message to Republicans, to insiders, and to special interests that the truth is powerful.

More proof Grayson is mentally unstable.




Holy cow. He clobbered our money bombs for Rand Paul and Peter Schiff with way less promotion time. Maybe there is something to the candidate themselves declaring their own money bomb.

Not at all, leftist groups are very much organized. If you remember Joe Wilson's outburst from a few months back, leftists immediately donated close to 1 million dollars to his congressional democratic opponent. Conservatives generally are too lazy to donate to candidates that represent their views. Or the retarded ones think it's inappropriate to donate to a candidate out of state. Even if leftists do it all the time.

[specsaregood]

Holy cow. He clobbered our money bombs for Rand Paul and Peter Schiff with way less promotion time. Maybe there is something to the candidate themselves declaring their own money bomb.

According to this (http://congressmanwithguts.com/) (assuming the starting total was $0); he has raised $502,444 since November 2nd.

Even if he raised 400k, his campaign is still in DEBT to the tune of over 100k.

[BenIsForRon]

He has advertisements for it on various places on the internet, like RawStory. Good for him.

We need to figure out how to get similar results for Rand. The R beside the name always makes it harder to raise money. On top of that, most republicans don't like "radical" members like liberals do.

[Epic]

I heard that grayson's money counter started the day at like 300k.... i'm not sure though (edit: josh says upper $300's)

remember when the press thought rand paul raised like 1m when he really raised like 400k? cause they didn't know what the counter started the day at.

[Dionysus]

Well, if the Grayson wing increases its influence, we'll end the fed. So that's good. Plus, his socialist policies will eventually fail. It's a win win!

[JoshLowry]

I heard that grayson's money counter started the day at like 300k.... i'm not sure though


That is correct. The night before the money bomb the ticker was sitting in the upper $300's.

After the Kentucky Fight money bomb there was an article that mistook his $1 Million dollar ticker for how much was raised in one day.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Well, if the Grayson wing increases its influence, we'll end the fed. So that's good. Plus, his socialist policies will eventually fail. It's a win win!

Number one he wants to Audit the Fed. He hasn't ever said he wants to End the Fed. Secondly, he wants to do so for entirely different reasons than Dr. Paul. Thirdly, we all knew Communism would fail, but that doesn't mean the period from 1920 to 1989 was a win. Bad post is bad.

[SWATH]

"progressive values, for American values"

Yes because America stands for more socialism and government control...

Idiot.

[Ethek]

"progressive values, for American values"

Yes because America stands for more socialism and government control...

Idiot.

I laughed

[Dionysus]

Number one he wants to Audit the Fed. He hasn't ever said he wants to End the Fed. Secondly, he wants to do so for entirely different reasons than Dr. Paul. Thirdly, we all knew Communism would fail, but that doesn't mean the period from 1920 to 1989 was a win. Bad post is bad.

I am mildly unnerved by the size of this bomb. Maybe the grassroots left had some pent up political energy and no outlets in which to discharge it before the bomb. Grayson has been getting a lot of national attention too. Nevertheless... Grayson is no faker, so he stands outside the prevailing political paradigm.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I am mildly unnerved by the size of this bomb. Maybe the grassroots left had some pent up political energy and no outlets in which to discharge it before the bomb. Grayson has been getting a lot of national attention too. Nevertheless... Grayson is no faker, so he stands outside the prevailing political paradigm.

Of course he isn't a faker. He's an avowed socialist. The bomb is only roughly the size of 200,000$. Yes, unnerving, but our movement is vastly more intellectual, prevailing, and above all is going to win. We are the tireless irate minority. We will light the brush fires in the hearts and minds of America. We will succeed or die trying.

[Naraku]

Has Rand Paul been on any major news outlet? That would be the most obvious explanation.

[KAYA]

Of course he isn't a faker. He's an avowed socialist. The bomb is only roughly the size of 200,000$. Yes, unnerving, but our movement is vastly more intellectual, prevailing, and above all is going to win. We are the tireless irate minority. We will light the brush fires in the hearts and minds of America. We will succeed or die trying.

That's right!

[NYgs23]

Some of you guys worry about the silliest things. So a lot of left-wingers are donating to Grayson? We already knew there were a lot of them. Furthermore, he's an incumbent, he's been on the news on a lot for shooting his mouth off, and who else are they going to donate to, Steny Hoyer? And I'd rather have an outspoken, honest leftie as my opponent then most of those other slimeballs.

[BenIsForRon]

Damn, if all of you sit around waiting for us to have a congress filled with anarcho-capitalists, you're going to be waiting a long fucking time.

GO GRAYSON!!!!

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Damn, if all of you sit around waiting for us to have a congress filled with anarcho-capitalists, you're going to be waiting a long fucking time.

GO GRAYSON!!!!

I want a Congress at least filled with Classical Liberals. Grayson is a socialist. Thomas Jefferson was a Classical Liberal. See the difference?

Whoever cheers for Grayson spits on Ron Paul.

[JamesButabi]

Lets steal the thunder in 2 days

[Athan]

I want a Congress at least filled with Classical Liberals. Grayson is a socialist. Thomas Jefferson was a Classical Liberal. See the difference?

Whoever cheers for Grayson spits on Ron Paul.

Ron Paul has worked with Greyson to get more audit the fed votes. Please realize killing the heart of the hydra is more important than going after all the heads at the same time.

We have got to get allies here to kill the Fed. Killing the fed and going after economic goals such as ending legal tender laws, sound money will reduce the size and scope of government anyway.

Go Greyson!

[gls]

Ron Paul has worked with Greyson to get more audit the fed votes. Please realize killing the heart of the hydra is more important than going after all the heads at the same time.

We have got to get allies here to kill the Fed. Killing the fed and going after economic goals such as ending legal tender laws, sound money will reduce the size and scope of government anyway.

Go Greyson!

What are Grayson's motives for wanting to audit the fed? It certainly isn't reducing the size and scope of government. That runs counter to his entire platform.

[BenIsForRon]

Grayson DOES want to reduce government in a few areas. He'd probably like to do away with DHS too.

[NYgs23]

We should avoid being entrapped by the left-right paradigm. I would say the only reason people like Ron Paul are in the Republican Party is because it tends to use limited-government rhetoric, not because it actually governs that way. We're actually more on the left--according to the mainstream conception of the spectrum--on many issues: war, the police state, drug prohibition...

[Flash]

We should avoid being entrapped by the left-right paradigm

Do we show this by funding candidates like Grayson who do nothing but make remarks against Republicans (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=fZzwSqvYDZG6lAeH45CBCQ&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CAkQBSgA&q=Alan+Grayson+REpublicans+die+quickly&spell=1)? Of course not. If you wish to break the left-right paradigm, donate & promote Adam Kokesh. He is where the left meets the right.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

We should avoid being entrapped by the left-right paradigm. I would say the only reason people like Ron Paul are in the Republican Party is because it tends to use limited-government rhetoric, not because it actually governs that way. We're actually more on the left--according to the mainstream conception of the spectrum--on many issues: war, the police state, drug prohibition...

Most on this forum are of the Old Right type. I really hate the left-right paradigm anyways.....it's a deception. There's no place for Classical Liberals or libertarians.

[Michigan11]

He hasn't raised shyt, if he started in the upper 300's. What is this thread even about?

[specsaregood]

What are Grayson's motives for wanting to audit the fed? It certainly isn't reducing the size and scope of government. That runs counter to his entire platform.

His motive as I interpret it is that he wants a govt controlled fiat currency. I guess he figures he is smarter or less corrupt than Bernake.

[BenIsForRon]

His motive as I interpret it is that he wants a govt controlled fiat currency. I guess he figures he is smarter or less corrupt than Bernake.

That's what the guys in the Money Masters film called for. Not the worst idea in the world... look at how the IMF is manipulating gold right now.

[Naraku]

That's what the guys in the Money Masters film called for. Not the worst idea in the world... look at how the IMF is manipulating gold right now.

Indeed, the problem is not so much fiat currency as it is the government's desire to constantly manipulate the supply of resources to pay off debts achieved through expansive government policies. War is probably the most expansive of these policies. It is no coincidence that most collapses of a currency are connected to wars.

[specsaregood]

Hrm, so I stumbled upon the listing of assets of house members.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/overview.php?type=W&year=2008&filter=H
http://goldismoney.info/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=81909&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1257608165

Ya know, If I was worth 54million dollars and the 6th richest house member; I don't think I'd be piddling around with moneybombs or asking for money from others to finance my campaigns. I certainly would't be sitting around with my campaign being in debt....

[klamath]

Hrm, so I stumbled upon the listing of assets of house members.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pfds/overview.php?type=W&year=2008&filter=H
http://goldismoney.info/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=81909&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1257608165

Ya know, If I was worth 54million dollars and the 6th richest house member; I don't think I'd be piddling around with moneybombs or asking for money from others to finance my campaigns. I certainly would't be sitting around with my campaign being in debt....
Typical rich liberal. They want the poor sap to donate money for the enlightened cause. That money should be buying food for the next week. When that rich person has donated all their money down to next weeks food money then ask for donations, I say.
See it all the time in the hollywood crowd. Loved it in 2000 election when Sarah Jessica Parker was all over TV saying how Bush was going to cut her mothers government healthcare and she wouldn't have the money to to buy her medicine and could die! What kind of person that is worth millions lets their mother die for the lack of medicine?

[specsaregood]

They want the poor sap to donate money for the enlightened cause. That money should be buying food for the next week. When that rich person has donated all their money down to next weeks food money then ask for donations, I say.

Now to be fair, would you say the same about Dr. Paul?
He is 94th wealthiest house member, (145th overall) hardly struggling to buy food for next week.
http://goldismoney.info/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=81910&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1257608617

Grayson's debt interests me now. I'm wondering if all that "debt" his campaign has is debt to him personally? I would assume so....So I don't know, but I wonder if he personally writes off the debt to his campaign, is there a tax advantage to that?

[anaconda]

I think it's more likely that his recent outlandish behavior has gained him far more face time and coverage in the MSM.

this

[anaconda]

Holy cow Grayson has $54 million in assets?

[klamath]

Now to be fair, would you say the same about Dr. Paul?
He is 94th wealthiest house member, (145th overall) hardly struggling to buy food for next week.
http://goldismoney.info/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=81910&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1257608617

Grayson's debt interests me now. I'm wondering if all that "debt" his campaign has is debt to him personally? I would assume so....So I don't know, but I wonder if he personally writes off the debt to his campaign, is there a tax advantage to that?
The difference is he is not asking poor people or taxing poor people for a great cause to help the poor.
If you are compassionate about helping the poor why are you so rich and not donating it to those less fortunate than you?
This is the equivilent hypoxcrasy to the family values republican getting caught cheating.

[specsaregood]

Holy cow Grayson has $54 million in assets?

That was my reaction as well. I knew he was a wall street guy, didn't know he was that successful fleecing the sheep.....Kinda puts a new spin on things... You think he got that much without taking advantage of govt force and our monetary system?

[anaconda]

That was my reaction as well. I knew he was a wall street guy, didn't know he was that successful fleecing the sheep.....Kinda puts a new spin on things... You think he got that much without taking advantage of govt force and our monetary system?


Maybe he intends to do a bait and switch. Maybe he has come out as the loudest and most critical voice on the Fed but then will lead the charge for passage of a watered down bill. Maybe he was a gatekeeper all along.:mad:

[specsaregood]

Maybe he intends to do a bait and switch. Maybe he has come out as the loudest and most critical voice on the Fed but then will lead the charge for passage of a watered down bill. Maybe he was a gatekeeper all along.:mad:

I'd be more inclined to think he wants the govt to have the fed's powers because it would make it even easier for him personally to fleece the sheep. ie: why outsource when you can do it "in house" --pun intended.

[Expatriate]

You know, those financial disclosure forms they fill out aren't reliable sources of information. I'd be willing to bet the slimiest congress critters are worth many times more than what OpenSecrets says.


http://www.rollcall.com/features/Guide-to-Congress_2008/guide/28506-1.html

Everything that you are about to read might be wrong.

Roll Call’s annual attempt to rank the riches of Members of Congress is hampered by one fundamental flaw: It is based on the lawmakers’ financial disclosure forms, which are extraordinarily unreliable sources of information.

The disclosure rules allow Members to report assets in broad categories, so there is no way to tell the difference between a $20 million investment and a $5 million investment. The top category on the Members’ forms is “over $50 million,” so it is impossible to accurately account for anything worth more than that — like a professional sports team, for example. There is also a gaping loophole for assets owned by the Members’ spouse or dependent children; anything worth more than $1 million in value can be reported as “over $1 million.” There is no way to tell whether that is $1.2 million or $1.2 billion.

The rules also don’t require reporting things of value that are not used to produce income — most notably any primary residence or other home that is not used for rentals. That loophole removes from most Members’ portfolios hundreds of thousands of dollars and in come cases millions of dollars worth of assets. Airplanes, fancy cars, antiques or other valuable items are not reported.

In filing a detailed disclosure form on behalf of Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), his accountants added this editorial note, which sums up the problem: The form is meant to comply with Senate disclosure rules but “is not intended to be a complete presentation of Senator Corker’s financial position.”

Beyond all of these flaws, there remains the fact that many, many financial disclosure forms filed by Members of Congress are simply inaccurate. A check mark placed in the wrong box can inflate or deflate a Member’s apparent net worth by millions of dollars, and misunderstandings of the rules have led Members to understate some assets, overstate others and claim additional assets they no longer own.

[Dieseler]

Any thread with Alan Grayson's name in it should go straight to Hot Topics like 911 truth.

[Flash]

I want a Congress at least filled with Classical Liberals. Grayson is a socialist. Thomas Jefferson was a Classical Liberal. See the difference?

Whoever cheers for Grayson spits on Ron Paul.

Grayson rarely agrees with Ron Paul, hes just another Barney Frank/Pelosi Democrat. Even Grayson's rantings against the Federal Reserve were retarded (they loaned money to New Zealand and will get the $ back with interests, how is this bad?). We should be funding Libertarian-Conservative Republicans like Chuck DeVore, Rand Paul, & Adam Kokesh. If we actually consider Alan Grayson to be 'one of us' then we mine as well join the Progressive movement.