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Anti Federalist
11-02-2009, 10:03 PM
NEVER Seek “Help” from the State’s Armed Enforcers

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/41750.html

Posted by William Grigg on November 1, 2009 08:03 AM

Niles Leo Meservey, a 51-year-old resident of Stanwood, Washington, was drunk and belligerent when he slumped into the seat behind the steering wheel of his Corvette last June 10.

Meservey had been cut off by the bartender after he had inflicted his unwanted attention on a couple of women at a nearby club, briefly dragging one of them onto the dance floor.

Several people were worried about the prospect of the intoxicated man attempting to drive home when he clearly presented a risk to himself and others. One of them, Trisha Tribble, called 911.

“We’re really concerned about a guy leaving the parking lot of Chuckwagon [Inn] on Evergreen Way — in a white Corvette, he’s extremely intoxicated,” Tribble told the dispatcher.

Several officers from the Everett Police Department soon arrived; among them were Troy Meade, an 11-year-veteran, and Officer Steven Klocker. Meade arrived at about 11:39 PM; Klocker reached the scene a little less than five minutes later.

At the time Officer Meade arrived, Meservey was hedged in by cars on either side of his Corvette, and cut off by a parking lot fence in front of him. Meade pulled up behind Meservey’s car, effectively boxing him in.

Joanne Hancock, who was smoking outside the Chuckwagon Inn when the police arrived, went inside to tell others concerned about Meservey that “They’ve got him!” The news prompted a small group of people to go outside to watch the arrest.

By the time Klocker arrived to provide “backup,” Meade had spent perhaps five minutes trying to convince Meservey to get out of the car. Klocker would later report that Meade’s tone and attitude toward the intoxicated man were “belligerent,” and that he “used language which made him [Klocker] uncomfortable because of the nearby civilians.”

“I don’t know why the f**k I am trying to save your dumb ass,” Meade snarled at Meservey, according to Klocker’s account.

Both Meade and Klocker withdrew their portable electro-shock torture devices (more commonly called Tasers). Meade, who was closest to the driver, shot Meservey with his Taser through the open driver’s side window, inflicting two separate strikes — one five seconds long, the other six seconds’ duration.

“Why in the f**k did you do that?” muttered the drunken man, who — predictably enough — didn’t want to stick around for any more abuse. He reached for his keys and started the car, but he had nowhere to go: It lurched over a concrete curb and ran into an unyielding chain-link fence.

Bear in mind, once again, that Meservey was entirely boxed in. It was possible, albeit with some difficulty, for Officer Meade to reach through the window and seize the car keys, rather than escalating the situation by using potentially deadly force.

But Meade’s pointless escalation didn’t stop with the two Taser strikes.

After Meservey’s brief attempt to drive away, Meade — according to the official police account — took up a position near the left rear wheel of the Corvette, and pulled his gun.

“Time to end this,” bellowed Meade, according to Klocker. “Enough is enough.” From a distance of six to seven feet, Meade fired eight shots into the car, murdering Meservey.

When several other police officers arrived a few minutes later, Meade was seen pacing back and forth near the murder scene.

“I’m out of it,” he exclaimed to one of the new arrivals. “I want my Garrity.”

The “Garrity Rule” — adapted from the 1967 Supreme Court ruling Garrity v. New Jersey, which involved a ticket-fixing scandal — triggers an enhancement of the right against self-incrimination that only the government’s armed enforcers enjoy: Any statements made after the magical Garrity incantation is uttered can only be used for the purpose of a departmental investigation, not for criminal prosecution.

Klocker, who witnessed the entire incident, pointed out to investigators that when Meservey’s body was pulled from the car, the prongs of Officer Meade’s Taser were still firmly embedded in his shoulder.

“I’m thinking as I ‘m dragging him … why didn’t we [shock] him again?” Klocker told investigators. If escalation had been “necessary,” Klocker thought, Meade would have used the Taser again, or resorted to pepper spray. “I would never have shot [Meservey]… I don’t think we had reached that level of force yet,” Klocker concluded.

What seems obvious to someone not indoctrinated in the state’s view of discretionary killing is this: There was no reason to use force of any kind in this situation, beyond the minimal amount necessary to take the keys away from Meservey. Once that was accomplished, the intoxicated man had nowhere to go, and it would have been a matter of patiently waiting for him to leave his car, or fall asleep.

Rather that choosing an approach of that kind, Meade (who was involved in a prior lethal shooting a few years ago) went up the escalation ladder very quickly — vaulting from confrontational and abusive language to lethal violence within a matter of minutes.

Meade did provide an ironic service of sorts by offering such a compelling display of the fact that citizens face the risk of lethal violence in every encounter they have with law enforcement personnel. Making that point was obviously not worth the price of a man’s life.

Meservey’s daughter has filed a $15 million wrongful death claim against Everett. Meade has been charged with first-degree manslaughter and placed on paid vacation (aka “administrative leave”); unlike a private citizen charged with lethally shooting an unarmed man six times in the back, Meade is loose on his own recognizance.

Meade’s attorney defends the murder as the result of a “split-second decision” (it wasn’t, as we’ve seen) and predicts, with tragically justifiable confidence, that the officer will be acquitted in court. It’s entirely likely that Meade wouldn’t have been indicted if it weren’t for rising public concern over recent police shootings in Everett.

Trisha Tribble, who called 911, was mortified by the death of Meservey, whom she described as “this drunken guy, [who] was obviously out of his mind.”

“There was no reason for him to die,” she commented after the slaying.

And that was the trouble with Tribble’s actions the night of June 10: Any time we seek “help” from the state’s armed enforcers, we’re effectively inviting them to use lethal force.

Brian4Liberty
11-02-2009, 10:28 PM
"Absolutely goddamm right..."

YouTube - Never get outa the boat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbFvAaO9j8M#t=1m51s)

Danke
11-02-2009, 10:55 PM
Speechless.

Actually a lot I would like to say, but being a public message board...

youngbuck
11-02-2009, 11:06 PM
Oh joy, I just love reading about these!

Time for Change
11-02-2009, 11:09 PM
WOW...Just WOW!

Kotin
11-02-2009, 11:10 PM
does no one understand the value of human life?!


FOR FUCKS SAKE!

Anti Federalist
11-02-2009, 11:46 PM
does no one understand the value of human life?!


FOR FUCKS SAKE!

We are not human to the state's enforcers.

We are sub human dogs, dangerous to be around and to be put down at the first sign of any trouble.

In a cop's world there are only three types of people:

Cops.

Cop's family and friends.

Scumbags.

Rael
11-02-2009, 11:49 PM
These goddamn cops are out of control.

Anti Federalist
11-02-2009, 11:56 PM
used language which made him [Klocker] uncomfortable because of the nearby civilians

There you have it.

What these asshole cops don't seem to get is they are "civilians" as well.

You are not military, your job is not to kill the enemy with reckless abandon.

You're a fucking 'civvie" just the same as anybody else, that cheap pot metal badge on your chest notwithstanding.

Danke
11-03-2009, 12:00 AM
There you have it.

What these asshole cops don't seem to get is they are "civilians" as well.

You are not military, your job is not to kill the enemy with reckless abandon.

You're a fucking 'civvie" just the same as anybody else, that cheap pot metal badge on your chest notwithstanding.

Some of our fascist "members" disagree.


Thread was rated a 1 star.

Anti Federalist
11-03-2009, 12:05 AM
Some of our fascist "members" disagree.


Thread was rated a 1 star.

Well, I'm hoping it was rated down due to the actions of the cops in the story, not for putting the "boys in blue" in a bad light.

God knows, the blueshirts don't need me to do that, they're doing great job all by themselves.

Anti Federalist
11-03-2009, 11:08 AM
//

Dieseler
11-03-2009, 11:22 AM
Fuck that noise, I threw my five in.

GunnyFreedom
11-03-2009, 11:58 AM
Fuck that noise, I threw my five in.

+5

squarepusher
11-03-2009, 12:59 PM
i hear so many of these stories lately, something just sinks inside of me

Dionysus
11-03-2009, 01:45 PM
Some cops become adrenaline junkies, very literally. It's not necessarily their fault. Just as some people are susceptible to alcoholism, some people in these types of occupations become totally desensitized to violence and crave a confrontation like a junkie needs a fix.

fisharmor
11-03-2009, 01:56 PM
There you have it.

What these asshole cops don't seem to get is they are "civilians" as well.

You are not military, your job is not to kill the enemy with reckless abandon.

You're a fucking 'civvie" just the same as anybody else, that cheap pot metal badge on your chest notwithstanding.

Well, what I got out of that statement is this: the cops are only uncomfortable with using that language and getting that belligerent if there are people watching.

If it was just the two of them and the drunk guy? Who knows what they both would have been comfortable with. Something involving broomhandles, no doubt.

getch36
11-03-2009, 02:15 PM
I read William Grigg's all the time -he's great.Yeah ,I agree never call the cops -they will just make any problem worse.I had an experience with them last year.It's a long story, but I needed help and called them-NEVER again.Thats when I lost whatever respect I had for them.BRAINLESS WONDERS

youngbuck
11-04-2009, 01:37 AM
YouTube - Dashcam: Cop Tasers Defenseless Man with Hands on Car (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXnEBGUhOis)

Anti Federalist
11-04-2009, 11:52 AM
YouTube - Dashcam: Cop Tasers Defenseless Man with Hands on Car (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXnEBGUhOis)

Sick, fucking sick.

Arklatex
11-04-2009, 11:59 AM
There was a murder here yesterday, Swat and Narcotics officers went into a house, found 8 ounces of weed and a guy hiding in the closet with a 9mm, they shot him dead. Over an herb, the guy hadn't committed any violent crime whatsoever and now he is dead.

The cop that shot him twice is on administrative leave.

Anti Federalist
11-04-2009, 01:01 PM
There was a murder here yesterday, Swat and Narcotics officers went into a house, found 8 ounces of weed and a guy hiding in the closet with a 9mm, they shot him dead. Over an herb, the guy hadn't committed any violent crime whatsoever and now he is dead.

The cop that shot him twice is on administrative leave.

Until such time as he is cleared of any charges and found to be operating "in compliance with policy", and to be re-instated with back pay.

Anti Federalist
04-08-2011, 03:32 PM
bump

heavenlyboy34
04-08-2011, 03:44 PM
YouTube - Dashcam: Cop Tasers Defenseless Man with Hands on Car (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXnEBGUhOis)

:eek: ugh, disgusting.

Joey Fuller
04-08-2011, 04:39 PM
http://www.copblock.org/

RonPaulwillWin
04-08-2011, 04:53 PM
"Absolutely goddamm right..."

YouTube - Never get outa the boat (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbFvAaO9j8M#t=1m51s)

Not available in my country :(

Mach
04-08-2011, 04:56 PM
The bumping of these type of stories is a good thing, it reminds everyone to follow-up, to see the actual corrupt outcome, even though it is called "Official."

Of course, every one knows how it went from there....

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20100426/NEWS01/100429882

A Grigg follow up......

http://www.lewrockwell.com/grigg/grigg-w144.html

VIDEODROME
04-08-2011, 05:23 PM
Do the Academies just have no standards for people they train? Or is the job so bad now most decent people are not interested law enforcement?

Or..... are many law enforcement trainers themselves like this guy basically viewing civilians as unruly sheep they need to be herded by whatever means necessary. Then being an instructor position they encourage this attitude.

pcosmar
04-08-2011, 05:35 PM
Do the Academies just have no standards for people they train? Or is the job so bad now most decent people are not interested law enforcement?

Or..... are many law enforcement trainers themselves like this guy basically viewing civilians as unruly sheep they need to be herded by whatever means necessary. Then being an instructor position they encourage this attitude.

It is just the logical progression of Authoritarians.

Everyone needs to rethink the concept of "police". And then reject that concept.
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

professional police were unknown to the United States in 1789, and first appeared in America almost a half-century after the Constitution's ratification. The Framers contemplated law enforcement as the duty of mostly private citizens, along with a few constables and sheriffs who could be called upon when necessary. This article marshals extensive historical and legal evidence to show that modern policing is in many ways inconsistent with the original intent of America's founding documents. The author argues that the growth of modern policing has substantially empowered the state in a way the Framers would regard as abhorrent to their foremost principles.

Mach
04-08-2011, 06:52 PM
It is just the logical progression of Authoritarians.

Everyone needs to rethink the concept of "police". And then reject that concept.
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

I didn't even get past the Introduction and was shaking my head yes...


The modern police-driven model of law enforcement helps sustain a playing field that is fundamentally uneven for different players upon it. Modern police act as an army of assistants for state prosecutors and gather evidence solely with an eye toward the state's interests. Police seal off crime scenes from the purview of defense investigators, act as witnesses of convenience for the state in courts of law, and instigate a substantial amount of criminal activity under the guise of crime fighting. Additionally, police enforce social class norms and act as tools of empowerment for favored interest groups to the disadvantage of others. Police are also a political force that constantly lobbies for increased state power and decreased constitutional liberty for American citizens.

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AFPVet
04-08-2011, 07:19 PM
Do the Academies just have no standards for people they train? Or is the job so bad now most decent people are not interested law enforcement?

Or..... are many law enforcement trainers themselves like this guy basically viewing civilians as unruly sheep they need to be herded by whatever means necessary. Then being an instructor position they encourage this attitude.

There is an 'us versus them' mentality; this—and other political crap—is why so many of the real cops got out of law enforcement. The two academies I attended did push an attitude to a large degree... but that was because they didn't want you to be a push over.

There are a lot of cops who love power and get off on it. Unfortunately, these power and roid rage issues are growing. As I mentioned, many good cops are getting out of it because it is turning to shit. I saw the direction it was going back in '07 and I am glad I got out of it.

heavenlyboy34
04-08-2011, 07:23 PM
It is just the logical progression of Authoritarians.

Everyone needs to rethink the concept of "police". And then reject that concept.
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

Thanks for the link. :)

heavenlyboy34
04-08-2011, 07:29 PM
Do the Academies just have no standards for people they train? Or is the job so bad now most decent people are not interested law enforcement?

Or..... are many law enforcement trainers themselves like this guy basically viewing civilians as unruly sheep they need to be herded by whatever means necessary. Then being an instructor position they encourage this attitude.

If I were a violent criminal, I'd certainly be drawn to police work. ;)

GunnyFreedom
04-08-2011, 10:46 PM
I didn't even get past the Introduction and was shaking my head yes...



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The modern police-driven model of law enforcement helps sustain a playing field that is fundamentally uneven for different players upon it. Modern police act as an army of assistants for state prosecutors and gather evidence solely with an eye toward the state's interests. Police seal off crime scenes from the purview of defense investigators, act as witnesses of convenience for the state in courts of law, and instigate a substantial amount of criminal activity under the guise of crime fighting. Additionally, police enforce social class norms and act as tools of empowerment for favored interest groups to the disadvantage of others. Police are also a political force that constantly lobbies for increased state power and decreased constitutional liberty for American citizens.

Dude, you would not BELIEVE the pushback I got from the bill I submitted to ban warrantless checkpoints....

Anti Federalist
04-08-2011, 10:50 PM
Dude, you would not BELIEVE the pushback I got from the bill I submitted to ban warrantless checkpoints....

Kind of like the MIC at the federal level, a self increasing, self perpetuating police state.

I would love to see some of the comments Gunny, if you can post them.

pcosmar
04-08-2011, 10:55 PM
Dude, you would not BELIEVE the pushback I got from the bill I submitted to ban warrantless checkpoints....

I would. It's a good fight. but not likely a winnable one.

Slow them down though if possible. Be a bump in the road.

GunnyFreedom
04-08-2011, 10:59 PM
Kind of like the MIC at the federal level, a self increasing, self perpetuating police state.

I would love to see some of the comments Gunny, if you can post them.

Too bad the newspaper in question is available only with a subscription, however I am apparently 'engaging in a no-holds-barred war on cops' and I 'wont be satisfied until anarchy reigns in the streets and babies are all killed in their cribs.' as just a sampling.

GunnyFreedom
04-08-2011, 11:01 PM
I would. It's a good fight. but not likely a winnable one.

Slow them down though if possible. Be a bump in the road.

The other side of the coin is that there were plenty of police who called quietly and on condition of anonymity to tell me they 100% supported what I was doing, but either couldn't tell me their names or wouldn't let me share their identities as they would fear losing their job...

pcosmar
04-08-2011, 11:04 PM
Too bad the newspaper in question is available only with a subscription, however I am apparently 'engaging in a no-holds-barred war on cops' and I 'wont be satisfied until anarchy reigns in the streets and babies are all killed in their cribs.' as just a sampling.

Ughh,
To be expected I guess.

I would actually like to run for Sheriff.
Outlaw for Lawman. ;)

I think I know how that might go over.
:(

Anti Federalist
04-08-2011, 11:06 PM
Too bad the newspaper in question is available only with a subscription, however I am apparently 'engaging in a no-holds-barred war on cops' and I 'wont be satisfied until anarchy reigns in the streets and babies are all killed in their cribs.' as just a sampling.

Brother, you know you are on target when you start getting hit with flak.