USS Liberty in the MSM

[Nefertiti]

No comment. Just thought many of you would be interested:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,66005.story?coll=chi_tab01_lay out

[Bradley in DC]

HI Nefertiti,

Great find. The USS Liberty story is a huge tragedy. I met one of the survivors once at a film screening here in DC. Coming forward with the truth and an apology would go a long way towards a fairer, more respectful relationship with Israel.

[tekkierich]

This incident always troubled my late father. He was in the Navy on a very similar ship at the time it occurred.

[max]

John McCains father was one of the admirals who helped cover up this Israeli atrocity. The McCains have been Zionist tools for many years.

Israel tried to sink the ship and MURDER all US sailors so that Egypt would get blamed.

Speaking of ISRAELI terrorist attacks www.911truthvirus.com

[constituent]

^Because of posts like that... we can't have civil
discussions on very important subjects here.

Does it suck? yes.

Does contributing in this sort of manner
help or hurt, max?

It hurts.

Does that make you part of the problem?

Yes max. It makes you part of the problem.
I wish it wasn't that way, but it is what it is.

[max]

^Because of posts like that... we can't have civil
discussions on very important subjects here.

Does it suck? yes.

Does contributing in this sort of manner
help or hurt, max?

It hurts.

Does that make you part of the problem?

Yes max. It makes you part of the problem.
I wish it wasn't that way, but it is what it is.

what i posted is the truth about the USS Liberty.....if people cant handle the truth, or at least take a close look at something controversial.....then perhaps this country aint worth saving anyway..

[constituent]

what i posted is the truth about the USS Liberty.....if people cant handle the truth, or at least take a close look at something controversial.....then perhaps this country aint worth saving anyway..

the voice that you choose to project in the tone of your writing does not encourage
anyone to take a close look at anything. it encourages people to foul up
decent rational discussions with reactionary drivel. Eeryone gets accused of being a jew-hater, the thread gets hot topics'd and reason once again looses,
and the facts fail to be discussed.

Don't act like an informant.

^That's not an accusation, but an observation of what is happening...
once I can ignore it, twice it irritates me, three times i say something...

those three times came and passed about 30 threads ago... you've become
the common denominator, please stop.

[Falseflagop]

This folks was no mistake it was an act of war, like RP says no funding for ANY COUNTRY!


http://www.topix.net/forum/source/chicago-tribune/TFMOVUHEPKSRRJILQ/p2


This sailors were lied too and abused!

[kylejack]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,66005.story is the correct link. That's a forum discussion of the article.

[Falseflagop]

here is the article:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-liberty_tuesoct02,0,66005.story?page=1&coll=chi_tab01_layout

[Nefertiti]

Just returning the title of this thread to the original one I gave it. Hopefully our moderators will take this out of the hot topics again.

[AZJoe]

New Book, Remember the Liberty (https://smile.amazon.com/Remember-Liberty-Almost-Sunk-Treason/dp/1634241088/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1495413173&sr=8-1&keywords=Remember+the+Liberty%3A+Almost+Sunk+by+Tr eason+on+the+High+Seas), on USS Liberty coming out next month.


http://www.lbjmastermind.com/Images/book3.jpg

[Anti Federalist]

Like so many other issues...nobody much cares anymore...

[susano]

Mel Gibson should make a movie about it. The tribe hates him already so no biggie there. A well done film is probably about the only way Americans would learn about it and it would really piss people off, I would hope.

[ILUVRP]

anyone that thinks we have any friends in the middle east should get out of the kool-aid line , i remember the USS Liberty , one of the biggest coverups ever .

america has 3 countries we can count on - britain - canada - australia and that's it .

[osan]

Like so many other issues...nobody much cares anymore...

If it's more than five minutes past, it's ancient history.

[AZJoe]

Memorial Day Remembrance for the upcoming USS Liberty's 50th Anniversary (https://www.theburningplatform.com/2017/05/28/new-revelations-in-attack-on-american-spy-ship-uss-liberty/)

For Lockwood and many other survivors, the anger is mixed with incredulity: ... “They tried to lie their way out of it!” Lockwood shouts. “I don’t believe that for a minute! You just don’t shoot at a ship at sea without identifying it, making sure of your target!” ...

Their anger has been stoked by the declassification of government documents and the recollections of former military personnel ... communications, according to those who remember seeing them, that showed the Israelis knew they were attacking an American naval vessel. ... In declassifying the most recent and largest batch of materials ... the 40th anniversary of the attack ... available at http://www.nsa.gov/liberty . ...

Beginning before dawn on June 8, Israeli aircraft regularly appeared on the horizon and circled the Liberty. ... Then the jets started shooting at the officers and enlisted men stretched out on the deck for a lunch-hour sun bath. ...

Nor, the survivors said, did they understand why the American 6th Fleet ... launched and then recalled at least two squadrons of Navy fighter-bombers that might have arrived in time to prevent the torpedo attack ...

When [Rear Admiral Lawrence] Geis protested that the Liberty was under attack and needed help, Hart said, McNamara retorted that “President [Lyndon] Johnson is not going to go to war or embarrass an American ally over a few sailors.” ...

internal White House (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics-government/government/white-house-PLCUL000110-topic.html) documents obtained from the Lyndon B. Johnson (http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/politics-government/government/presidents-of-the-united-states/lyndon-b.-johnson-PEHST000117-topic.html) Presidential Library show that the Israelis’ explanation of how the mistake had occurred was not believed. ... most senior administration officials from Secretary of State Dean Rusk on down privately agreed with Johnson’s intelligence adviser, Clark Clifford, who was quoted in minutes of a National Security Council staff meeting as saying it was “inconceivable” that the attack had been a case of mistaken identity.

The attack “couldn’t be anything else but deliberate,” the NSA’s director, Lt. Gen. Marshall Carter, later told Congress.
“I don’t think you’ll find many people at NSA who believe it was accidental,” Benson Buffham, a former deputy NSA director, said in an interview. ...

The survivors interviewed by the Tribune uniformly agree that the Liberty was flying the Stars and Stripes before, during and after the attack, except for a brief period in which one flag that had been shot down was replaced with another, larger flag ... that measured 13 feet long.

Concludes one of the declassified NSA documents: “Every official interview of numerous Liberty crewmen gave consistent evidence that indeed the Liberty was flying an American flag — and, further, the weather conditions were ideal to ensure its easy observance and identification.” ...

But the Liberty crewmen interviewed by the Tribune said the Israeli jets simply appeared and began shooting. They also said the Liberty did not open fire on the planes because it was armed only with four .50-caliber machine guns intended to repel boarders. ...

“I can’t identify it, but in any case it’s a military ship,” Spector radioed his ground controller, according to a transcript of the Israeli air-to-ground communications published by the Jerusalem Post in 2004. ... That transcript, made by a Post reporter ... contained only two references to “American” or “Americans,” one at the beginning and the other at the end of the attack. The first reference occurred at 1:54 p.m. local time ... Twenty minutes later ... the controller directing the attack asked his chief in Tel Aviv to which country the target vessel belonged. “Apparently American,” the chief controller replied. Fourteen minutes later the Liberty was struck amidships by a torpedo from an Israeli boat ... Israelis wanted it sunk.

The transcript published by the Jerusalem Post bore scant resemblance to the one that in 1967 rolled off the teletype machine behind the sealed vault door at Offutt Air Force Base in Omaha ... “The ground control station stated that the target was American and for the aircraft to confirm it,” Forslund recalled. “The aircraft did confirm the identity of the target as American, by the American flag.

“The ground control station ordered the aircraft to attack and sink the target and ensure they left no survivors.”
Forslund said he clearly recalled “the obvious frustration of the controller over the inability of the pilots to sink the target quickly and completely.”

“He kept insisting the mission had to sink the target, and was frustrated with the pilots’ responses that it didn’t sink.”
Nor, Forslund said, was he the only member of his unit to have read the transcripts. “Everybody saw these,” said Forslund, now retired after 26 years in the military. ...

James Gotcher, now an attorney in California, who was then serving with the Air Force Security Service’s 6924th Security Squadron, an adjunct of the NSA, at Son Tra, Vietnam. “It was clear that the Israeli aircraft were being vectored directly at USS Liberty,” Gotcher recalled in an e-mail. “Later, around the time Liberty got off a distress call, the controllers seemed to panic and urged the aircraft to ‘complete the job’ and get out of there.” ...

The transcripts Block remembered seeing “were teletypes, way beyond Top Secret. Some of the pilots did not want to attack,” Block said. “The pilots said, ‘This is an American ship. Do you still want us to attack?’ “And ground control came back and said, ‘Yes, follow orders.'”
Gotcher and Forslund agreed with Block that the Jerusalem Post transcript was not at all like what they remember reading. “There is simply no way that [the Post transcript is] the same as what I saw,” Gotcher said. “More to the point, for anyone familiar with air-to-ground [communications] procedures, that simply isn’t the way pilots and controllers communicate.” ...

“the fact that the Israeli pilots clearly identified the ship as American and asked for further instructions from ground control appears to be a missing part of that Jerusalem Post article.”

Arieh O’Sullivan, the Post reporter who made the newspaper’s transcript, said the Israeli Air Force tapes he listened to contained blank spaces. ...

The late Dwight Porter, the American ambassador to Lebanon during the Six-Day War, told friends and family members that he had been shown English-language transcripts of Israeli pilots talking to their controllers. ... William Chandler, the former head of the Trans-Arabian Pipe Line Co., said Porter recalled one of the pilots protesting, “But sir, it’s an American ship — I can see the flag!’ To which the ground control responded, ‘Never mind; hit it!'” ...

Andrew Kilgore, the former U.S. ambassador to Qatar ... quoted Porter as recalling that the transcript showed “Israel was attacking, and they know it’s an American ship.”

Haviland Smith, a young CIA officer stationed in Beirut during the Six-Day War, ... recalled, “that ultimately all of the transcripts were deep-sixed. I was told that they were deep-sixed because the administration did not wish to embarrass the Israelis.”

Perhaps the most persuasive suggestion that such transcripts existed comes from the Israelis themselves, in a pair of diplomatic cables sent by the Israeli ambassador in Washington, Avraham Harman, to Foreign Minister Abba Eban in Tel Aviv.

Five days after the Liberty attack, Harman cabled Eban that a source the Israelis code-named “Hamlet” was reporting that the Americans had “clear proof that from a certain stage the pilot discovered the identity of the ship and continued the attack anyway.”

Harman repeated the warning three days later, advising Eban, who is now dead, that the White House was “very angry,” and that “the reason for this is that the Americans probably have findings showing that our pilots indeed knew that the ship was American.” ... The cables, which have been declassified by the Israelis, were obtained from the Israeli State Archive and translated from Hebrew by the Tribune.

Oliver Kirby, the NSA’s deputy director for operations at the time of the Liberty attack, confirmed the existence of NSA transcripts.
Asked whether he had personally read such transcripts, Kirby replied, “I sure did. I certainly did.” “They said, ‘We’ve got him in the zero,'” Kirby recalled, “whatever that meant — I guess the sights or something. And then one of them said, ‘Can you see the flag?’ They said ‘Yes, it’s U.S, it’s U.S.’ They said it several times, so there wasn’t any doubt in anybody’s mind that they knew it.”

Kirby, now 86 and retired in Texas, said the transcripts were “something that’s bothered me all my life. I’m willing to swear on a stack of Bibles that we knew they knew.” ...

On its Web site, the NSA has posted three recordings of Israeli communications made on June 8, 1967. But none of the recordings is of the attack itself. ... The three recordings reflect what the NSA describes as “the aftermath” of the attack ...

Two of the recordings were made by Michael Prostinak, a Hebrew linguist ... But Prostinak said he was certain that more than three recordings were made that day. “I can tell you there were more tapes than just the three on the Internet,” he said. “No doubt in my mind, more than three tapes.”

At least one of the missing tapes, Prostinak said, captured Israeli communications “in which people were not just tranquil or taking care of business as normal. We knew that something was being attacked,” Prostinak said. “Everyone we were listening to was excited. You know, it was an actual attack. And during the attack was when mention of the American flag was made.” ...

After listening to the three recordings released by the NSA, Prostinak said it was clear from the sequence in which they were numbered that at least two tapes that had once existed were not there. One tape, designated A1104/A-02, begins at 2:29 p.m. local time, just after the Liberty was hit by the torpedo. Prostinak said there was a preceding tape, A1104/A-01. That tape likely would have recorded much of the attack, which began with the air assault at 1:56 p.m. Prostinak said a second tape, which preceded one beginning at 3:07 p.m., made by another linguist aboard the same plane, also appeared to be missing. ...

Another linguist aboard the EC-121, who spoke on condition that he not be named, said he believed there had been as many as “five or six” tapes recording the attack on the Liberty or its aftermath. ...

Rather than investigating how and why a U.S. Navy vessel had been attacked by an ally, the Navy seemed interested in asking as few questions as possible and answering them in record time. ...

Rear Adm. Merlin Staring, ... said it was taken from him when he began to question some aspects of the report. He describes it now as “a hasty, superficial, incomplete and totally inadequate inquiry.” ... There are also apparent omissions in the inquiry’s report. It does not include, for example, the testimony of a young lieutenant, Lloyd Painter, who was serving as officer of the deck when the attack began. Painter said he testified that an Israeli torpedo boat “methodically machine-gunned one of our life rafts” that had been put over the side by crewmen preparing to abandon ship.

Painter, who spent 32 years as a Secret Service agent after leaving the Navy, charged that his testimony about the life rafts was purposely omitted. ...

[AZJoe]

50th anniversary of Attack is June 8.
From Book Review (https://www.lewrockwell.com/2017/06/phillip-f-nelson/remember-the-liberty/) of Remember the Liberty (https://www.amazon.com/Remember-Liberty-Almost-Sunk-Treason/dp/1634241088?SubscriptionId=AKIAI63WS3YGA3Y5U2QA&tag=lewrockwell&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=1634241088) (releasing 6/8/17), the attack and Washington's coverup.

"This book finally exposes the actual cause – the only realistic possible explanation – of the mysterious, and unresolved, vicious attack on a U.S. Naval ship. After the botched plan had been executed, the ship refused to sink even after being hit by a torpedo, leading the attack to be cancelled and a massive cover-up invoked, including severe threats for the crewmembers to “keep their lips sealed.” As the ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern put it in the book’s Foreword, those orders “put steroids to the PTSD suffered by many of the survivors.” ... Written largely by three of the survivors themselves (Ernie Gallo, Ron Kukal and Phil Tourney) ..."


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[enhanced_deficit]

Time to do a crippling boycott of Chicago Tribune?

This is a provocation, there were supposed to go with MSM news management flow. Paging AIPAC.