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bobbyw24
11-01-2009, 07:56 AM
Paul's good health care idea won't ever survive

By Jack Markowitz
FOR THE TRIBUNE-REVIEW
Sunday, November 1, 2009

Ron Paul, the libertarian congressman from Texas, whom nobody ever confused with a me-too Republican, has proposed a health care reform that deserves the name "reform."

It's almost certain not to get anywhere, though. Which might be a mercy. Americans might risk broken arms reaching for it too fast.

It's this. Whatever a family has to pay for the doctor, the hospital, the pills or the shots, it could deduct on their federal tax return.

Get that? A 100 percent tax credit on health care costs. Socialized medicine turned inside out, you might say.

Instead of the government taking care of us, we take care of ourselves. And by just that amount, lowering our tax bills.

The screams in Washington might be heard clear to Pittsburgh, where the congressman who marches to his own drummer grew up in suburban Munhall. Pangs of tax starvation would grip the Treasury. Rep. Paul, a retired physician, would treat that malady by putting Uncle Sam on a severe spending diet. In short, a snowball's chance.

Yet his proposed H.R. 1495, the Comprehensive Health Care Reform Act of 2009 is a useful exercise. It demonstrates how market forces might yet rope in the inflation that's stampeding toward socialism.

Recall how irritating it is at income tax time to find you can deduct medical expenses only over 7.5 percent of income? Paul would abolish that threshold. All medical costs, including for high-deductible insurance tied a Health Savings Account (HSA), would go toward a tax credit. And the credit could be refunded against payroll taxes, letting low-wage workers in on it.

Other freedom enhancements are written into Paul's legislative initiatives that news media ought to, but rarely give, a mention.

For instance, his Freedom from Unnecessary Litigation Act (H.R. 1498). The lawyers' lobby invariably swats down all efforts at tort reform. Paul would go around them with a tax credit for "negative outcomes insurance." The patient might buy it before surgery. Bad result, the policy pays off. The system as a whole would save untold billions in insurance liability costs for doctors and hospitals. Plus the vast waste of "defensive" medicine's excessive testing. And the loss of physician talent by early retirements in disgust.

All these ideas are featured in a new bulletin from the Campaign for Liberty organization spun off by Paul's one-man crusades. He doesn't completely absolve his fellow docs. He thinks the healing establishment long ago fostered a shortage of practitioners by too tight accreditation of medical schools and intolerance of unconventional methods.

Paul's HR 2629, the Coercion is Not Health Care Act, would bar the government from forcing anyone to buy health insurance, exactly the key compulsion in President Obama's and Congress' long-running efforts to "reform" health care.

Nobody young, healthy or unwilling can be left out of universal coverage, says the socializers. Otherwise, the insurance pool won't be wide enough to balance those with pre-existing conditions whose care is costliest.

But if freedom is given up, says Ron Paul, where's the reform?

Jack Markowitz can be reached at jmarkowitz@tribweb.com or .

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s_650907.html

LibertyEagle
11-01-2009, 08:01 AM
Woo hoo! :)

ItsTime
11-01-2009, 08:04 AM
Phone and fax time?

itshappening
11-01-2009, 08:06 AM
Ron Paul, the libertarian congressman from Texas
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isnt he originally from PA?

Matthew Zak
11-01-2009, 08:23 AM
Time to "campaign".

Forward, MARCH!!!!!!

catdd
11-01-2009, 08:35 AM
Fantastic. It would give everyone an incentive to pay taxes while simultaneously bringing government spending to a screeching halt!
GREAT IDEA!!!

ChaosControl
11-01-2009, 08:40 AM
I like the idea, especially that it is a credit than just a deduction and even more so since it can go against payroll taxes. Anyone working pays payroll, so anyone working would benefit. Cheers. Too bad it makes too much sense to ever get anywhere in Congress.

catdd
11-01-2009, 09:00 AM
"Too bad it makes too much sense to ever get anywhere in Congress."

Maybe it's time the people became more assertive.

amy31416
11-01-2009, 11:11 AM
This is just as brilliant as HR 1207. We should certainly be able to get a lot of Republicans to support this.

Anti Federalist
11-01-2009, 11:24 AM
This is just as brilliant as HR 1207. We should certainly be able to get a lot of Republicans to support this.

Just to turned inside out and rendered meaningless, like HR1207.

:mad::mad::mad:

amy31416
11-01-2009, 11:29 AM
Just to turned inside out and rendered meaningless, like HR1207.

:mad::mad::mad:

God damn it, I know. I guess this is what it feels like to be neutered.

Knightskye
11-01-2009, 03:22 PM
Pretty cool. I thought they would've mentioned that Paul grew up in Pittsburgh, though.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/business/s_650907.html


Ron Paul, the libertarian congressman from Texas, whom nobody ever confused with a me-too Republican, has proposed a health care reform that deserves the name "reform."

It's almost certain not to get anywhere, though. Which might be a mercy. Americans might risk broken arms reaching for it too fast.

It's this. Whatever a family has to pay for the doctor, the hospital, the pills or the shots, it could deduct on their federal tax return.

Get that? A 100 percent tax credit on health care costs. Socialized medicine turned inside out, you might say.

Do you think we could get Rasmussen or someone to poll people about this idea? I think it would be popular.

Knightskye
11-01-2009, 03:43 PM
I guess I didn't see this thread. lol.

axiomata
11-01-2009, 03:47 PM
http://digg.com/political_opinion/Paul_s_good_health_care_idea_won_t_ever_survive

JoshLowry
11-01-2009, 04:08 PM
Why write up this article today?

These were all introduced months ago. I didn't know about them though.

I wish he would promote it more when he first introduces a bill.

ItsTime
11-01-2009, 07:04 PM
bumper cars

bucfish
11-01-2009, 07:09 PM
Why write up this article today?

These were all introduced months ago. I didn't know about them though.

I wish he would promote it more when he first introduces a bill.

Methinks a Dr. Paul Logo should be on every bill. Marketting

dr. hfn
11-01-2009, 07:52 PM
The Pittsburgh Tribune is the conservative newspaper of Pittsburgh, they sometimes have libertarian articles...

NYgs23
11-01-2009, 09:17 PM
Would it give individuals an incentive to price shop and keep healthcare costs down? I think that's very important to solving it in the long run.

jbrace
11-01-2009, 10:57 PM
What about citizens that get money back from the government at the end of the year? Does it deduct from what they get payed back? Also, what about people that have higher medical cost then what they have to pay in? For instance, someone pays 25,000 in a year, but there medical cost are 50,000? Does this roll over into the next year?(Seems like there should be a limit government will cover) It seems like this bill is just the lesser of two evils, but maybe I'm not understanding it correctly.

Nate K
11-01-2009, 11:12 PM
Am I correct in saying this does close to nothing for those in low tax brackets or who don't have a job?

jsu718
11-01-2009, 11:47 PM
The problem that I see with the plan is this... it doesn't address the issue that insurance companies are excessively assholes and that the hospitals have to do the same to make up for it. I love the idea of making health care tax deductible 100%, but how does that help someone like me who doesn't pay income tax? It doesn't. It's a step in the right direction as far as taxation goes, but it isn't when it comes to fixing the problems that the government created in the health care industry in the Nixon years.