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GunnyFreedom
10-31-2009, 02:25 AM
http://nchouse2010.glenbradley.net/Glen_Bradley_for_NC_State_House/watthr1207.html



Patriot Network Warning Notice!

Folks, as if we didn't have enough trouble to worry about, now we have even more.

See excerpts from the following article posted on Bloomberg:


Federal Reserve Policy Audit Legislation ‘Gutted,’ Paul Says

By Bob Ivry

Oct. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Representative Ron Paul, the Texas Republican who has called for an end to the Federal Reserve, said legislation he introduced to audit monetary policy has been “gutted” while moving toward a possible vote in the Democratic-controlled House.
...
“There’s nothing left, it’s been gutted,” he said in a telephone interview. “This is not a partisan issue. People all over the country want to know what the Fed is up to, and this legislation was supposed to help them do that.”
...
Paul, a member of the House Financial Services Committee, said Mel Watt, a Democrat from North Carolina, has eliminated “just about everything” while preparing the legislation for formal consideration. Watt is chairman of the panel’s domestic monetary policy and technology subcommittee.

Keith Kelly, a spokesman for Watt, declined to comment and said Watt wasn’t immediately available for an interview. Watt’s district includes Charlotte, headquarters of Bank of America Corp., the biggest U.S. lender.


Ladies and gentlemen, it was on account of one of the largest grassroots efforts in the history of America that we were able to push HR1207 “Audit The Fed” up to 300 cosponsors, and a clear majority of the House. Now, however, despite the clear will of the American people, one Mel Watt, Democrat Congressman from North Carolina’s 12th District (the most gerrymandered district in America) has taken the bill to Audit the Federal Reserve Bank and completely stripped it of it’s powers.

That’s right, the only thing left of the bill is the name. They are going to bring this to the House floor for a vote -- an empty bill with a name that the vast majority of Americans supported before Mel Watt, personally and completely on his own (well, maybe under the advisement of Barney Frank), stripped the bill of every function it has.

The Federal Reserve Bank is not a part of the Federal government. it is a cartel of private banks -- some with huge foreign interests like Citibank -- that have full and secret discretion on American monetary policy.

In case there was any question what the Federal Reserve Bank has done with American monetary policy, take a look at this:

http://nchouse2010.glenbradley.net/Glen_Bradley_for_NC_State_House/watthr1207_files/fedresinf.gif

The reality is that inflation is a device that transfers wealth from the poor and the middle class, into the hands of the ultra wealthy. It would almost seem that the Federal Reserve’s true purpose in life was to effect this inflation, and thus this transfer of wealth. A mere $4 in 1913 would buy what $100 buys today. This is why we have become a consumer society that does not save. Inflation destroys those who save. If you saved enough in 1913 to buy an entire house without any sort of mortgage, and passed it on to your children, they might have a mere $5000 today.

Now, as we know it is the ultra wealthy bankers and lobbyist special interests who control the vast majority of Washington DC. Mel Watt has in his district (and thus as some of his primary lobbyists as well)the company headquarters for Bank of America, who are a part of the Federal Reserve Bank and want no part of an audit of the Fed.

While I have no direct evidence of a quid-pro-quo relationship outside of BoA lobbyist payouts to the Mel Watt campaign and Mel’s own actions to protect his lobby from the scrutiny of the American people, there is certainly something rotten in Denmark.

Mell Watt has removed all the salient portions of HR1207 “Audit The Fed” and left an empty bill with a title that the vast majority of Americans have already rallied around in the hopes of exposing the banksters and the robber barons of this modern age that are using corporatism (not capitalism) to steal food from the tables of the poor and the middle class and to turn millionaires into billionaires, and to turn billionaires into trillionaires.

Don’t listen to the rhetoric that Mel Watt acts in the interest of the little guy. If that were the case then he would want a full audit of the Federal Reserve. Instead, his actions belie his words as he is doing everything in his power to prevent such an audit.

http://nchouse2010.glenbradley.net/Glen_Bradley_for_NC_State_House/watthr1207_files/watts3.jpg

But please, folks, do not despair!

It was on account of one of the largest and most energetic grassroots campaigns in history that we achieved over 300 cosponsors on HR1207 as it was originally written. The establishment Democrats in the US House and Senate hope that We The People have forgotten about this very important bill, and that these shenanigans designed to pass the bill we demand -- but stripped of all it’s power so that nothing changes -- will go unnoticed.

It’s time to double-down and let them know that WE NOTICE!

What can we do?

We can stop this nonsense in no time flat, if we are serious about correcting the course of the United States. Ron Paul has announced that he intends to introduce an amendment to HR1207 that will restore the text of the bill back to the original form before Mel Watt gutted it. We can help him accomplish that.

Our lawmakers think we are not watching them on this subject any more, we must prove to them -- undeniably -- that we are watching them, and that we will not stop watching them until HR1207 is passed intact.

Here's what we need to do.

Saturday, October 31st and Sunday, November 1st we need to contact everybody we know in our networks, and call on them to contact everybody they know in their networks, to call on them to contact everybody they know in their networks. This was how the minuteman network worked when Paul Revere made his midnight ride, and we need to do it again. We must stand up in our millions and engage in a peaceful “once per day, every day” contact campaign. We need to set off a brushfire in the grassroots and have literally millions of Americans participating in this action

That is, every single day starting on Monday, November 2nd and continuing until the bill passes, we make one telephone call, send one e-mail, send one fax, and send one letter via postal mail per day. Each and every day until HR1207 is passed intact. Every contact we make we must demand two things:

1.Reject the Mel Watt markup and changes to HR1207

2.Vote “YES” on the Ron Paul amendment to restore the original text of HR1207

If we do this, then we will overwhelm the DC switchboard, post office, and fax lines like has never before been done in the history of the United States. Our elected Representatives in the US House will know for certain that we have not forgotten, and that we are still watching them, and that we still demand a full and fair audit of the Federal Reserve Bank.

LibertyEagle
10-31-2009, 03:05 AM
I'm down for this.

Thanks Gunny.

GunnyFreedom
10-31-2009, 03:50 AM
Thanks so much LE!

I truly believe that we have the overwhelming manpower to completely melt down the DC Switchboards, but we have to alert our extended network that something is amiss or it will pass by unnoticed.

I even made a quick script for those who do not want to come up with something themselves:


Hello, I need to tell you about a very important development in the effort to audit the Federal Reserve Bank. The Federal Reserve has been the key tool used by our government since 1913 to strip ordinary citizens of our money and power and to draw both into the hands of politicians, power brokers, banksters, and robber barons.

On October 30th, we learned that Mel Watt, Democrat Congressman from North Carolina's 12th District has completely stripped every provision from HR1207 "Audit The Federal Reserve" despite the bill gaining over 300 cosponsors based on it's original text.

We need your help to restore a full audit in HR1207. Every day from Monday November 2nd until the bill passes, we need you to telephone your Representative, Fax them, e-mail them, and send them a postal letter, once per day every day to demand two things:

1) Reject the Mel Watt markup removing all power from HR1207
2) Vote "YES" on the Ron Paul amendment to restore the original text of HR1207

Please do this, and tell everybody you know to do likewise. We have been robbed blind by the Federal Reserve for nearly 100 years, and this private cartel of bankers controlling US monetary policy has never seen a comprehensive audit in it's entire history.

Thank you for your help in this crucial matter!


CONTACT INFORMATION NC District 2 Bob Ethereidge

DC Switchboard: 202-224-3121
Bob Etheridge Phone: (DC) 202-225-4531 (NC) 919-829-9122
Bob Etheridge Fax: (DC) 202-225-5662 (NC) 919-829-9883
Bob Etheridge E-mail: http://etheridge.house.gov/Contact/

Bob Etheridge Address:

Washington Office
1533 Longworth House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515

Raleigh District Office
333 Fayetteville Street, Suite 505
Raleigh, NC 27601

Lillington District Office
609 North First Street
P.O. Box 1059
Lillington, NC 27546

raiha
10-31-2009, 04:06 AM
Great work Gunny...now get some sleep.

Bossobass
11-01-2009, 11:08 AM
GUT 1207
THIS SIDE OF HEAVEN?
HELL NO!

WATT
HAS GOT
TO GO!

I'm in... and right down the road from his offices.

Let's get in touch with his opposition and strike a deal on this issue and start the campaign EARLY.

I wanna know where the F*&% my trillions went... PERIOD!

Bosso

phill4paul
11-01-2009, 11:28 AM
Patrick McHenry, District 10.

Washington, D.C. Office

224 Cannon House Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20515
Telephone: 202.225.2576
Fax: 202.225.0316

Hickory District Office

87 4th St. NW, Suite A
P.O. Box 1830
Hickory, NC 28603
Telephone: 828.327.6100
Toll-Free in North Carolina: 800.477.2576
Fax: 828.327.8311

Shelby Regional Office

311 East Marion Street, Suite 119
P.O. Box 732
Shelby, NC 28151
Telephone: 704.481.0578
Fax: 704.481.0757

Spruce Pine Regional Office

Spruce Pine Town Hall
P.O. Box 715
Spruce Pine, NC 28777
Telephone: 828.765.2729
Fax: 828.765.2701

GunnyFreedom
11-01-2009, 11:37 AM
Pat Armstrong is the NC C4L State Coordinator, and she lives in CD 12.

Bossobass
11-01-2009, 02:01 PM
I know Pat from the trenches in '07-'08.

I'm in CD-9, Sue Myrick's district. She'll be hearing from me tomorrow. Her staff calls here regularly with updates on issues we've made them aware of that interest us, 1207 being at the top of the list.

We'll bang on every door and stand on every corner in Watt's district before it's over.

Robbing you blind since 1993... Mel Watt BANKS on your money. Just ask his top contributors at Bank of America.

The Federal Reserve Banks that Mel Watt works to protect have given trillions of dollars of taxpayer money in secret and here's a clue... NONE of it went to CD-12. ALL of it went to WALL STREET. And, YOU will pay the tab.

I'm starting a street by street map grid, looking up every warehouse, business and plant closing, graphing tax increases since 1993, etc., for CD-12.


It’s been a one-man show in North Carolina’s 12th U.S. House District since the district was created 16 years ago.

That man is U.S. Rep. Mel Watt, a Democrat from Mecklenburg County, the only person to represent the district that tracks Interstate 85 as it meanders from Charlotte through Greensboro.

Watt, 63, has run successfully eight times but characterizes this year as a difficult climate for those seeking re-election. He is paired against a newcomer to politics, Ty Cobb Jr. of Salisbury, a 68-year-old Republican running a populist campaign.




It should come to no surprise that the House of Representatives have furthered the nationalization of American industry by wasting another $15 billion of tax money that doesn’t exist to bailout the gross mismanagement of the Big Three automakers and their blood sucking unions. Here is a list of how our Carolina representatives voted:

In Favor of Socialism:

Bob Etheridge - D-NC-02
David Price - D-NC-04
Mel Watt - D-NC-12
Brad Miller - D-NC-13
Jack Spratt - D-SC-05
Jim Clyburn - D-SC-06


$787 BILLION STIMULUS: Voting 286 for and 183 against, the House on Friday approved the conference report on a $787 billion economic stimulus bill (HR 1). A yes vote was to approve the conference report.
Voting yes: G.K. Butterfield, D-1; Bob Etheridge, D-2; David Price, D-4; Mike McIntyre, D-7; Larry Kissell, D-8; Melvin Watt, D-12; Brad Miller, D-13
Voting no: Walter Jones, R-3; Virginia Foxx, R-5; Howard Coble, R-6; Sue Myrick, R-9; Patrick McHenry, R-10
When your grandchildren ask you why their taxes are so high, and why government is so big, and what economic freedom was like, I hope you’re able to tell them.


Also on the wall of shame for frivolously throwing your tax dollars away are the following pigs who received a zero score:

G.K. Butterfield (D-NC-01)
Jim Clyburn (D-SC-06)
Bob Etheridge (D-NC-02)
Larry Kissell (D-NC-08)
Brad Miller (D-NC-13)
David Price (D-NC-04)
Jack Spratt (D-SC-05)
Mel Watt (D-NC-11)


Those who voted to raise your energy bills by about $1500 a year to “save the planet” are as follows:

G.K. Butterfield (D-NC-01)
Bob Etheridge (D-NC-02)
David Price (D-NC-04)
Heath Shuler (D-NC-11)
Mel Watt (D-NC-12)
Brad Miller (D-NC-13)
Jack Spratt (D-SC-05)
Jim Clyburn (D-SC-06)


I imagine Congressman Watt is quite disturbed over the ruling as it may mean his district could be redrawn and for the first time ever he may actually have to get out and work to get reelected. Can you imagine something so awful?


CHILDREN’S HEALTH INSURANCE: Voting 290 for and 135 against, the House on Wednesday sent President Obama a bill (HR 2) expanding State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) coverage from 6.6 million children to about 11 million children.
FOR- G.K. Butterfield, D-1; Bob Etheridge, D-2; David Price, D-4; Mike McIntyre, D-7; Heath Shuler, D-11; Melvin Watt, D-12; Brad Miller, D-13
Against- Walter Jones, R-3; Virginia Foxx, R-5; Howard Coble, R-6; Sue Myrick, R-9; Patrick McHenry, R-10
Not voting- Larry Kissell, D-8
The seven Democrats who voted for this think it’s your job to pay for other people’s children, and that your money is best used to reward parents who can’t take care of their own families. The idea of helping poor children sounds wonderful; the reality is more socialism and wealth redistribution that helps no one.


$816 BILLION STIMULUS: 244 for and 188 against.
For- G.K. Butterfield, D-1; Bob Etheridge, D-2; David Price, D-4; Mike McIntyre, D-7; Larry Kissell, D-8; Melvin Watt, D-12; Brad Miller, D-13
Against- Walter Jones, R-3; Virginia Foxx, R-5; Howard Coble, R-6; Sue Myrick, R-9; Patrick McHenry, R-10; Heath Shuler, D-11

Those who voted in favor of this monstrosity just condemned your grandkids to a lifetime of government servitude to pay it off.


REP. CHARLES RANGEL: Voting 242 for and 157 against, the House on Tuesday tabled a Republican bid to remove Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., as chairman of the Ways and Means Committee because of conduct now being investigated. Rangel is under scrutiny for dealings concerning rent-controlled apartment units in his district, his admitted failure to pay taxes on rental income on resort property, and his use of his committee post to help the City College of New York raise funds for an academic facility in his name. A yes vote opposed the motion to strip Rangel of his committee post.
Voting yes: Etheridge, Jones, Price, McIntyre, Kissell, Shuler, Watt, Miller
Voting no: Foxx, Coble, Myrick, McHenry
Not voting: Butterfield
Well, that’s it. I’m not paying my taxes anymore. If don’t get appointed to a cabinet post, at the very least I can enjoy a comfy job as a House committee chairman. The Ways and Means Committee, by the way, is the committee in charge of tax policy. That means the Ways and Means Chair and the Treasury Secretary are both tax cheats. Hope and change… hope and change…

Bosso

ronpaulhawaii
11-01-2009, 02:03 PM
I know Pat from the trenches in '07-'08.

I'm in CD-9, Sue Myrick's district. She'll be hearing from me tomorrow. Her staff calls here regularly with updates on issues we've made them aware of that interest us, 1207 being at the top of the list.

We'll bang on every door and stand on every corner in Watt's district before it's over.

Robbing you blind since 1993... Mel Watt BANKS on your money. Just ask his top contributors at Bank of America.

The Federal Reserve Banks that Mel Watt works to protect have given trillions of dollars of taxpayer money in secret and here's a clue... NONE of it went to CD-12. ALL of it went to WALL STREET. And, YOU will pay the tab.

I'm starting a street by street map grid, looking up every warehouse, business and plant closing, graphing tax increases since 1993, etc., for CD-12.

Bosso

:D - nice to see you have something to sink your teeth into. :)

Matt Collins
11-01-2009, 02:33 PM
I'm down for this.


And I'm down for this:





















http://research.history.org/Historical_Research/Research_Themes/ThemeRevolution/Loyalist/tar_and_feather.jpg

MR2Fast2Catch
11-03-2009, 02:17 PM
This makes me so angry....

torchbearer
11-03-2009, 02:46 PM
I don't think there is enough will here to remove Watt from office.

Matt Collins
11-03-2009, 03:24 PM
I don't think there is enough will here to remove Watt from office.
He's impossible to remove because he's entrenched in a pork laden gerrymandered district. :mad:

LittleLightShining
11-03-2009, 03:27 PM
He's impossible to remove because he's entrenched in a pork laden gerrymandered district. :mad:

He's not impossible to remove. It's just not going to happen in an election with the district the way it is.

torchbearer
11-03-2009, 03:32 PM
He's impossible to remove because he's entrenched in a pork laden gerrymandered district. :mad:

impossible in this case simply means the price is more than you are willing to pay.
that is why the will is not strong enough to remove him.

It is not impossible.

ronpaulhawaii
11-03-2009, 04:02 PM
I think the goal here is to punish Watt for his treachery. While focusing on running a campaign directly against him will certainly cause political pain, the outcome is not assured and then what?

Perhaps a three pronged approach:

1 - Gunny's idea of helping State Races to get a chance to reverse Dem gerrymandering.
2- Torches idea of giving some support to Watts GOP challenger.
3- A relentless grassroots exposure campaign in Watts district.

torchbearer
11-03-2009, 04:11 PM
I think the goal here is to punish Watt for his treachery. While focusing on running a campaign directly against him will certainly cause political pain, the outcome is not assured and then what?

Perhaps a three pronged approach:

1 - Gunny's idea of helping State Races to get a chance to reverse Dem gerrymandering.
2- Torches idea of giving some support to Watts GOP challenger.
3- A relentless grassroots exposure campaign in Watts district.

we have to do something or the guy knows there are no consequences for his actions.

LittleLightShining
11-03-2009, 04:17 PM
I think the goal here is to punish Watt for his treachery. While focusing on running a campaign directly against him will certainly cause political pain, the outcome is not assured and then what?

Perhaps a three pronged approach:

1 - Gunny's idea of helping State Races to get a chance to reverse Dem gerrymandering.
2- Torches idea of giving some support to Watts GOP challenger.
3- A relentless grassroots exposure campaign in Watts district.

This is the most realistic plan. Also, maybe now that Farakhan is coming around we can use that to our advantage.

KCIndy
11-03-2009, 04:24 PM
we have to do something or the guy knows there are no consequences for his actions.

I agree 100%!!

Torchbearer, did you get a chance to make your phone call last night? How did it go?

Any chance we can stir up some real oppposition?

phill4paul
11-03-2009, 04:25 PM
I agree 100%!!

Torchbearer, did you get a chance to make your phone call last night? How did it go?

Any chance we can stir up some real oppposition?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=217340

KCIndy
11-03-2009, 04:30 PM
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=217340


Thanks, Phill4Paul - I just found it and came back here to amend my post.

Should have done a bit more searching! :o:o

Overall, the guy sounds okay, and most important, it sound like we may be able to "bring him around" a little bit with some education in the Ron Paul school of Political Philosophy!

torchbearer
11-03-2009, 04:31 PM
I agree 100%!!

Torchbearer, did you get a chance to make your phone call last night? How did it go?

Any chance we can stir up some real oppposition?

I did all the actual work in getting the info people had requested.

ronpaulhawaii
11-03-2009, 04:32 PM
1 - Gunny's idea of helping State Races to get a chance to reverse Dem gerrymandering.
2- Torches idea of giving some support to Watts GOP challenger.
3- A relentless grassroots exposure campaign in Watts district.


#3 could be started immediately. We need to identify supporters in or near the finks district. A simple campaign of posting handbills along the lines of the the poster mockups Gunny and I made. All kinds of handmade signage... Bossobass? where are you, my friend?

#2 will take a bit longer and we will need to help groom the candidate if we hope to get any significant monetary support. Torch?

#1 can be started immediately as well. Moral outrage is the most powerful motivating force in politics. We should be able to get all the 9/12ers, tea partiers, RP'ers, etc.'ers onboard. Gunny?

phill4paul
11-03-2009, 04:35 PM
I think the goal here is to punish Watt for his treachery. While focusing on running a campaign directly against him will certainly cause political pain, the outcome is not assured and then what?

Perhaps a three pronged approach:

1 - Gunny's idea of helping State Races to get a chance to reverse Dem gerrymandering.
2- Torches idea of giving some support to Watts GOP challenger.
3- A relentless grassroots exposure campaign in Watts district.

1) Agreed. Reversal of Dem gerrymandering is paramount. Without this #2-#3 will have no LASTING effect.
2) Agreed. If we can show this individual that we are serious he may become a future contender and in the process learn our ideology.
3) Agreed. Exposure now will have a lingering effect in future campaigns for Watt.

This doesn't have to be an "all eggs in one basket" movement.

torchbearer
11-03-2009, 04:37 PM
#3 could be started immediately. We need to identify supporters in or near the finks district. A simple campaign of posting handbills along the lines of the the poster mockups Gunny and I made. All kinds of handmade signage... Bossobass? where are you, my friend?

#2 will take a bit longer and we will need to help groom the candidate if we hope to get any significant monetary support. Torch?

#1 can be started immediately as well. Moral outrage is the most powerful motivating force in politics. We should be able to get all the 9/12ers, tea partiers, RP'ers, etc.'ers onboard. Gunny?

ideally, i'd love to see one of our guys run against Watt in the democratic primary.
But if we can't do that- Johnson is a decent guy. But I don't want to tell the guy to set up his site with online donations and flash widget if people are going to leave him hanging out to dry. it does take money on his part to get those things going.

Surely we have a strong candidate we can put in the democratic primary?

torchbearer
11-03-2009, 04:40 PM
hell, have someone run against him in his primary, then have another guy waiting for him in the general.
make him blow a couple million fighing for his seat.

phill4paul
11-03-2009, 04:43 PM
I'm getting ready to go out of country for a bit and plan on leaving all implements of technology behind.:)
If there is a chip in let me know by Friday.

And as far as #1. Gunny, I will be getting up w/ you after the first of the year for some boots on the ground work. :)

Omphfullas Zamboni
11-03-2009, 05:01 PM
Howdy,

Thank you for the information. I used it to compose a fax to my representative.

Regards,
Omphfullas Zamboni

ronpaulhawaii
11-04-2009, 09:24 AM
Howdy,

Thank you for the information. I used it to compose a fax to my representative.

Regards,
Omphfullas Zamboni

Care to share?

LittleLightShining
11-04-2009, 09:52 AM
hell, have someone run against him in his primary, then have another guy waiting for him in the general.
make him blow a couple million fighing for his seat.

This I like.

GunnyFreedom
11-04-2009, 10:48 AM
I'm on a job site right now, I will address this thread as soon as possible

Matt Collins
11-04-2009, 12:38 PM
impossible in this case simply means the price is more than you are willing to pay.
that is why the will is not strong enough to remove him.

It is not impossible.
Brent, of all the people on here that I thought you understood electoral politics better than most. Due to the demographics and geography of his district he is impossible to remove. There is nothing that we can do to change that. The change will have to come from somewhere else because it's not within our power.

ronpaulhawaii
11-04-2009, 12:45 PM
What is well within our power is causing political pain. From all sides and beyond the box. We need to make this enemy of The People pay dearly, in time and treasure, for his treachery.

Prioritizing will be key. I see no reason why we should not explore helping Johnson, in some way, as well...

Matt Collins
11-04-2009, 01:01 PM
What is well within our power is causing political pain. From all sides and beyond the box. How? :confused:

Make a bunch of websites, blogs and YouTubes against him? I somehow doubt the People in his district will be swayed by that sort of thing. :(

ronpaulhawaii
11-04-2009, 01:32 PM
How? :confused:

Make a bunch of websites, blogs and YouTubes against him? I somehow doubt the People in his district will be swayed by that sort of thing. :(

I can think of lots of ways and don't know why you have taken a dismissive tone, (in fact, ridiculous in light of the content in this thread) ...

What Melvin has done is morally outrageous. "Moral outrage is the most powerful motivating force in politics" You dismiss this fact at your peril. IMO, to not explore focusing that nascent, potent, force would be a dereliction of duty. This is the type of thing that inactive r3VOLutionaries will activate over. Both in, and out, of NC.

If we have strong supporters like Bossobass coming out of the woodwork, we need to help them...

Here are some thoughts;

Getting the NC-GOP to get behind our statehouse candidates (Glen Bradley and Jared Fuller, so far), we might help our disgruntled be more disposed to helping statewide. By winning the statehouse we can help redraw the district. The very act of starting the process will cause the enemy to have to start allocating resources. And that is political pain. Making the enemy spread itself thin, opening another front...

Right now the "GOP revolt" fever is hot and capitalizing on that by getting the NC-GOP strongly behind Jared and Glen seems a no-brainer...

As far as inside the 12th

Letters to the Editor, Classified Ads, signbombs, etc.

As far as Johnson, if locals want to help him on the ground, why not? If r3VOLutionaries with the means have no problems maxxing out on the candidates they support, and want to give to Johnson, what is wrong with that?

It all causes political pain.

GO. GRASS. ROOTS!

GunnyFreedom
11-04-2009, 01:46 PM
Just heard of a very exciting possibility indeed. Can't really share details yet -- I will not become the Ron Paul Billionaire guy, nor will I make public what I have heard in private until the moment is right and all parties agree -- but if this plays out, we might have some of the coolest news in NC in years. I need to sit down with Jared and start hashing some of this out. Fortunately he is something like 10 minutes down the road from me, although we have never met face to face. I should be able to let folks know what it is I just heard by the 15th at the latest.


ETA -- oops, Jared is at WFU in Winston Salem. Some reason I thought he was in Wake Forest, the city. He is /not/ 10 minutes down the road, more like 2.5 hours

Matt Collins
11-04-2009, 02:00 PM
I can think of lots of ways and don't know why you have taken a dismissive tone, (in fact, ridiculous in light of the content in this thread) ...Because he is entrenched by the Party in his district. Unless the Party machine decides they don't want him, there is nothing that we can do to get rid of him or cause him much, if any, political pain.


What Melvin has done is morally outrageous. "Moral outrage is the most powerful motivating force in politics" You dismiss this fact at your peril. IMO, to not explore focusing that nascent, potent, force would be a dereliction of duty. This is the type of thing that inactive r3VOLutionaries will activate over. Both in, and out, of NC. I completely agree that it's a moral outrage, but the People in his district won't care.



As far as inside the 12th

Letters to the Editor, Classified Ads, signbombs, etc.

As far as Johnson, if locals want to help him on the ground, why not? If r3VOLutionaries with the means have no problems maxxing out on the candidates they support, and want to give to Johnson, what is wrong with that?

It all causes political pain.

GO. GRASS. ROOTS!It will be wholly ineffective in this specific district.

GunnyFreedom
11-04-2009, 02:19 PM
Because he is entrenched by the Party in his district. Unless the Party machine decides they don't want him, there is nothing that we can do to get rid of him or cause him much, if any, political pain.

I completely agree that it's a moral outrage, but the People in his district won't care.

It will be wholly ineffective in this specific district.

However, there is a lot to be said for distracting their resources.

If the real effort is going to be taking over the State House (and it is -- which is what my 'news' is going to be about if everything works out) then you know the NC Dems will want to throw everything they have into stopping us. If, however, they are distracted into thinking they have to erect a bulwark in CD12, then they will be wasting resources there which they could otherwise be using to fight us everywhere else around the state.

So we make the bold, noisy cacophonous campaign this hopeless CD12 Mel Watt thing. We don't really expect it to succeed, but we make them THINK that is our primary effort, all the while it's really for show. The NC Dems get frightened and start going into emergency mode dumping resources on Watt, and all along behind the scenes we quietly take over 8 NC House seats and then rip that gerrymander right out from underneath of him.

So I can totally see this as a means to distract their resources away from the real battle.

LittleLightShining
11-04-2009, 02:23 PM
However, there is a lot to be said for distracting their resources.

If the real effort is going to be taking over the State House (and it is -- which is what my 'news' is going to be about if everything works out) then you know the NC Dems will want to throw everything they have into stopping us. If, however, they are distracted into thinking they have to erect a bulwark in CD12, then they will be wasting resources there which they could otherwise be using to fight us everywhere else around the state.

So we make the bold, noisy cacophonous campaign this hopeless CD12 Mel Watt thing. We don't really expect it to succeed, but we make them THINK that is our primary effort, all the while it's really for show. The NC Dems get frightened and start going into emergency mode dumping resources on Watt, and all along behind the scenes we quietly take over 8 NC House seats and then rip that gerrymander right out from underneath of him.

So I can totally see this as a means to distract their resources away from the real battle.

VERY interesting...

GunnyFreedom
11-04-2009, 02:24 PM
I'm getting ready to go out of country for a bit and plan on leaving all implements of technology behind.:)
If there is a chip in let me know by Friday.

And as far as #1. Gunny, I will be getting up w/ you after the first of the year for some boots on the ground work. :)

Awesome, thanks!

As far as a chipin for the anti-Watt campaign, I do not have one. I do, however, have a donation site for my campaign here:

http://www.glenbradley.net/donate/toGlen10.html

which would be appreciated more than you can possibly know.

LibertyEagle
11-04-2009, 02:28 PM
Just one comment. Is it smart to be talking about strategy on the open board?

rancher89
11-04-2009, 02:51 PM
My post from yesterday disappeared I think or it is in another thread, :confused: I don't know, and don't have time to look for it. but you guys, listen to me PLEASE.
#1 I am the NC state coordinator for the C4L
#2 I am the 2nd Vice chair of the G O P 12 th Dist.

I know whereof I speak about MY District. I'm sorry if I'm a little abrupt in this post, I've got a lot to do right now and I've had this argument uncountable times and I really want you guys to understand the full "truthiness" of what I say, so I'm typing at full speed and mostly off the cuff....bear with me my long time rpf friends....(LLS, Gunny, MC thanks for understanding)

Mel Watt will not and cannot be defeated. To run a candidate against him is to waste your money, time and efforts. The 12th is the SECOND MOST GERRYMANDERED DISTRICT IN THE WHOLE USA--SECOND ONLY TO ONE IN CHICAGO...Think about that for a minute.

Please do not send money to a candidate who just happens to be interested in running against Mel Watt. You will not be helping us at all. I beg you, please. You cannot overcome an almost 250,000 vote deficit with any normal campaign. The Dems won in Charlotte and Mecklenburg County yesterday, Mel Watt's banking center home turf.

I am not a defeatist, I am the highest ranking C4L member in the NC GOP establishment and I know what I'm talking about, OK??? Can we agree on this first???? If you don't agree with me on this there is no point going forth with my suggestions on WHAT WILL WORK.....

BJ sent out a letter today, his suggestions are good ones...if you haven't read it yet, please do and then we'll continue this conversation.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=217634

OK, there is a plan, other than letter writing and phone calls, that will work. Yes, we've been working on getting rid of Watt for years, but we are up against the wall here and our efforts are being redoubled. The deal is, the only way to unseat Watt, is to be in control of the redistricting of our state in 2011. The way to be in charge of the redistricting is to be the majority party in the NC House and NC Senate in 2010.

THIS IS THE ONLY WAY IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN FOLKS, PERIOD, END OF STORY. WE NEED TO WIN A MAJORITY IN THE NC HOUSE AND SENATE IN 2010.

If you want to help, it will take an organized team, money and time, just like any other good campaign. Going off half cocked and supporting people that do not have a snowball's chance in hell will not help the overall strategy that has been developed by our NC District and County Chairs. These men and women have over 200 years of combined experience in NC politics. They know where the bodies are buried in other words.

I have a list of targeted districts. I am not releasing the list, for obvious reasons, but there are a number of districts, where, with enough help, we can either unseat an incumbent or there has been no incumbent and therefore the Dem candidate is also a first timer.

There are only two House seats that are targeted in Dist 12, and no Senate seats. The other House seats are firmly held by incumbents. The rest of the targeted House seats are outside of our District, but are critical to the over all plan to take back the House. There are also Senate seats that are targeted.



I'm going to see how this post is received before I ask for specific help.

ronpaulhawaii
11-04-2009, 03:01 PM
Because he is entrenched by the Party in his district. Unless the Party machine decides they don't want him, there is nothing that we can do to get rid of him or cause him much, if any, political pain.

I completely agree that it's a moral outrage, but the People in his district won't care.

It will be wholly ineffective in this specific district.

Except for Torches original work, I fail to see how people in this thread are suggesting we should try to unseat Mel in 2010. In fact, my post you are responding to has indicated that action in the district is at the bottom of the list. Some people will care and we can be annoying as hell... That is more political pain.

The primary thing developing, (because of these threads...) is evidenced below:


My post from yesterday disappeared I think or it is in another thread, :confused: I don't know, and don't have time to look for it. but you guys, listen to me PLEASE.
#1 I am the NC state coordinator for the C4L
#2 I am the 2nd Vice chair of the G O P 12 th Dist.

I know whereof I speak about MY District. I'm sorry if I'm a little abrupt in this post, I've got a lot to do right now and I've had this argument uncountable times and I really want you guys to understand the full "truthiness" of what I say, so I'm typing at full speed and mostly off the cuff....bear with me my long time rpf friends....(LLS, Gunny, MC thanks for understanding)

Mel Watt will not and cannot be defeated. To run a candidate against him is to waste your money, time and efforts. The 12th is the SECOND MOST GERRYMANDERED DISTRICT IN THE WHOLE USA--SECOND ONLY TO ONE IN CHICAGO...Think about that for a minute.

Please do not send money to a candidate who just happens to be interested in running against Mel Watt. You will not be helping us at all. I beg you, please. You cannot overcome an almost 250,000 vote deficit with any normal campaign. The Dems won in Charlotte and Mecklenburg County yesterday, Mel Watt's banking center home turf.

I am not a defeatist, I am the highest ranking C4L member in the NC GOP establishment and I know what I'm talking about, OK??? Can we agree on this first???? If you don't agree with me on this there is no point going forth with my suggestions on WHAT WILL WORK.....

BJ sent out a letter today, his suggestions are good ones...if you haven't read it yet, please do and then we'll continue this conversation.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=217634

OK, there is a plan, other than letter writing and phone calls, that will work. Yes, we've been working on getting rid of Watt for years, but we are up against the wall here and our efforts are being redoubled. The deal is, the only way to unseat Watt, is to be in control of the redistricting of our state in 2011. The way to be in charge of the redistricting is to be the majority party in the NC House and NC Senate in 2010.

THIS IS THE ONLY WAY IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN FOLKS, PERIOD, END OF STORY. WE NEED TO WIN A MAJORITY IN THE NC HOUSE AND SENATE IN 2010.

If you want to help, it will take an organized team, money and time, just like any other good campaign. Going off half cocked and supporting people that do not have a snowball's chance in hell will not help the overall strategy that has been developed by our NC District and County Chairs. These men and women have over 200 years of combined experience in NC politics. They know where the bodies are buried in other words.

I have a list of targeted districts. I am not releasing the list, for obvious reasons, but there are a number of districts, where, with enough help, we can either unseat an incumbent or there has been no incumbent and therefore the Dem candidate is also a first timer.

There are only two House seats that are targeted in Dist 12, and no Senate seats. The other House seats are firmly held by incumbents. The rest of the targeted House seats are outside of our District, but are critical to the over all plan to take back the House. There are also Senate seats that are targeted.



I'm going to see how this post is received before I ask for specific help.
:cool:

Matt Collins
11-04-2009, 03:02 PM
Rancher, thank you for making the same point I have made.

LittleLightShining
11-04-2009, 03:05 PM
My post from yesterday disappeared I think or it is in another thread, :confused: I don't know, and don't have time to look for it. but you guys, listen to me PLEASE.
#1 I am the NC state coordinator for the C4L
#2 I am the 2nd Vice chair of the G O P 12 th Dist.

I know whereof I speak about MY District. I'm sorry if I'm a little abrupt in this post, I've got a lot to do right now and I've had this argument uncountable times and I really want you guys to understand the full "truthiness" of what I say, so I'm typing at full speed and mostly off the cuff....bear with me my long time rpf friends....(LLS, Gunny, MC thanks for understanding)

Mel Watt will not and cannot be defeated. To run a candidate against him is to waste your money, time and efforts. The 12th is the SECOND MOST GERRYMANDERED DISTRICT IN THE WHOLE USA--SECOND ONLY TO ONE IN CHICAGO...Think about that for a minute.

Please do not send money to a candidate who just happens to be interested in running against Mel Watt. You will not be helping us at all. I beg you, please. You cannot overcome an almost 250,000 vote deficit with any normal campaign. The Dems won in Charlotte and Mecklenburg County yesterday, Mel Watt's banking center home turf.

I am not a defeatist, I am the highest ranking C4L member in the NC GOP establishment and I know what I'm talking about, OK??? Can we agree on this first???? If you don't agree with me on this there is no point going forth with my suggestions on WHAT WILL WORK.....

BJ sent out a letter today, his suggestions are good ones...if you haven't read it yet, please do and then we'll continue this conversation.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=217634

OK, there is a plan, other than letter writing and phone calls, that will work. Yes, we've been working on getting rid of Watt for years, but we are up against the wall here and our efforts are being redoubled. The deal is, the only way to unseat Watt, is to be in control of the redistricting of our state in 2011. The way to be in charge of the redistricting is to be the majority party in the NC House and NC Senate in 2010.

THIS IS THE ONLY WAY IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN FOLKS, PERIOD, END OF STORY. WE NEED TO WIN A MAJORITY IN THE NC HOUSE AND SENATE IN 2010.

If you want to help, it will take an organized team, money and time, just like any other good campaign. Going off half cocked and supporting people that do not have a snowball's chance in hell will not help the overall strategy that has been developed by our NC District and County Chairs. These men and women have over 200 years of combined experience in NC politics. They know where the bodies are buried in other words.

I have a list of targeted districts. I am not releasing the list, for obvious reasons, but there are a number of districts, where, with enough help, we can either unseat an incumbent or there has been no incumbent and therefore the Dem candidate is also a first timer.

There are only two House seats that are targeted in Dist 12, and no Senate seats. The other House seats are firmly held by incumbents. The rest of the targeted House seats are outside of our District, but are critical to the over all plan to take back the House. There are also Senate seats that are targeted.



I'm going to see how this post is received before I ask for specific help.Thank you for posting this. No one seems to take my arguments seriously. I'm just here to throw cogs in the wheels, apparently.

Keep us posted and let us know when and where to focus our energy :)

rancher89
11-04-2009, 03:15 PM
rph, dude, I respect you and all that you have done, I don't say this lightly.

I understand the desire to inflict "pain" on Watt, oh baby, I do. don't forget that I quote unquote live with this man. Make those phone calls, write those letters to the editor and blog everywhere and let them know you are pissed off, that Watt is a douche etc, whatever. Please do this, it does make a difference, it does help.

Just don't monetarily support a candidate that doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning. Trust me on this one folks, the Dems in this state LAUGH at the candidates that are put up against their candidates.

Let's support candidates, monetarily anyway, that do have a chance in winning in the races that are winnable, that will make a difference. When we have won these races we can control the redistricting that will make removing Mel Watt a reality not the pipe dream it has been.

I don't have the time to sit here for hours to try and convince you. If you want to talk, we can do so. I'm on facebook....most of you are already "friends" of mine there. Just look up pa trcia arm stro ng and send a friend request. Let me know your rpf handle if it isn't obvious.

I've revealed nothing here that the Dems don't already know.....

rancher89
11-04-2009, 03:16 PM
ALL---

United, we stand

Divided, we fall.

MsDoodahs
11-04-2009, 03:42 PM
Thanks, Rancher.

ronpaulhawaii
11-04-2009, 03:47 PM
No worries rancher :) I do wonder why people seem to think anyone was still pimping money for Johnson from the rank and file? I think most of us realized the futility of that angle when the last four election results were posted a couple days ago... I do applaud Torch for helping get the ball rolling with his "outside the box" thinking...

Actually, I was just throwing out anything to see what would stick... Am glad you came back to help guide us more effectively

Onward and forward,

:D

phill4paul
11-04-2009, 04:09 PM
Awesome, thanks!

As far as a chipin for the anti-Watt campaign, I do not have one. I do, however, have a donation site for my campaign here:

http://www.glenbradley.net/donate/toGlen10.html

which would be appreciated more than you can possibly know.

Did a chip in for you Glen. I'll send more when I get back from vacation.:)

MsDoodahs
11-04-2009, 04:10 PM
No worries rancher :) I do wonder why people seem to think anyone was still pimping money for Johnson from the rank and file? I think most of us realized the futility of that angle when the last four election results were posted a couple days ago... I do applaud Torch for helping get the ball rolling with his "outside the box" thinking...

Actually, I was just throwing out anything to see what would stick... Am glad you came back to help guide us more effectively

Onward and forward,

:D

I saw LLS suggesting other means....little shit stirrer that she is...she reminds me of Ron versus Rudy...

:D

rancher89
11-04-2009, 05:02 PM
I've missed being here, you guys are the best.

I'll let you know when and how you can help here in NC when I have concrete links.

Meantime, support our own is the best advice I can give--help Gunny however you can.

AND write those posts, lettters to the editors, emails; make those phone calls, whatever. The power of the pen is not to be taken lightly. The more we write about Mel Watt re: what he has done, the better off we will all be in the end.

Let me know if you hear of a candidate in NC that is running for NC House or Senate that sounds like they are Constitutionally minded. Sometimes the mouse nearest you is the hardest to spot.

phill4paul
11-04-2009, 05:06 PM
I've missed being here, you guys are the best.

I'll let you know when and how you can help here in NC when I have concrete links.

Meantime, support our own is the best advice I can give--help Gunny however you can.

AND write those posts, lettters to the editors, emails; make those phone calls, whatever. The power of the pen is not to be taken lightly. The more we write about Mel Watt re: what he has done, the better off we will all be in the end.

Let me know if you hear of a candidate in NC that is running for NC House or Senate that sounds like they are Constitutionally minded. Sometimes the mouse nearest you is the hardest to spot.

There was an article in the Charlotte Observer today. "Watt: I haven't 'gutted' proposal for auditing Fed"

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/408/story/1036014.html

Already got a letter in. I suggest they get inundated.

Copy of my letter:

In regards to "Watt: I haven't 'gutted' proposal for auditing Fed" 11/4/09

Rep Mel Watt has denied gutting H.R. 1207: Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2009. I have to ask. Why then were any changes made at all?

Mel Watt's subcommittee on monetary policy introduced changes that restrict inquiry around transactions with foreign central banks, monetary policy deliberations, transactions made under the direction of the Federal Open Market Committee and communications between the Board, the reserve banks and staff.

The bill in it's original form had 308 co-sponsors and was truly a bi-partisan effort to bring to the light of day the secret dealings of the most powerful organization with regards to monetary policy in America. The Federal Reserves decisions affect each and every American, of every ethnicity, of every social rank, of every political pursuation each and every day.

It is not without notice that Mel Watts district includes Charlotte and that his largest contributors are banks.

GunnyFreedom
11-04-2009, 05:49 PM
Did a chip in for you Glen. I'll send more when I get back from vacation.:)

Hey, thanks so much! More than I can say. I won't see the results until my treasurer reports tonight, but a million thanks!

phill4paul
11-04-2009, 06:19 PM
Hey, thanks so much! More than I can say. I won't see the results until my treasurer reports tonight, but a million thanks!

Well, unfortunately it is only worth 50 thanks.:( But, I'll get more to you when I get back from Mexico. :)
After the first of the year I'll head over your way and see what your ideas are on canvassing needs and how I can help out. (It'll be the first of the year until I can make my bi-annual "Locks of Love" hair donation and then I can get a proper "GOP" cut.;)

GunnyFreedom
11-04-2009, 06:35 PM
Well, unfortunately it is only worth 50 thanks.:( But, I'll get more to you when I get back from Mexico. :)
After the first of the year I'll head over your way and see what your ideas are on canvassing needs and how I can help out. (It'll be the first of the year until I can make my bi-annual "Locks of Love" hair donation and then I can get a proper "GOP" cut.;)

Anything you can do in today's America is a lot. Really, thanks! I do have some pretty good ideas for a targeted canvass. Separate into groups based on what sort of politic/demographic you address best and target precincts by demography and political leaning. Take three teams, coordinate with signbombs and litdrops... well we can talk about that. 8-)

phill4paul
11-04-2009, 06:51 PM
Anything you can do in today's America is a lot.

Ain't that the truth.

I'm still interested in the idea KCIndy (I think it was) with his Jefferson quote about "watering the tree...w/ the blood of patriots" and how that connects w/ plasma banks.
These places give you $30 dollars a pop and you can donate once a week. That'd be $1440 a year that any patriot no matter their financial status could donate.
The "blood of patriots" could actually "water the tree of Liberty".
Bio-Life of Carolina gives you a debit card for donating. Unfortunately they only have 2 locations in N.C. Greensboro and Raleigh I think.
Anyway I'm rambling and intend to put the idea together over vacation.

I'll get up w/ you once I get back. Promise.:)